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      • #2295356 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        It’s still early in the game, and I’m already seeing lots and lots of problems with the September cumulative updates. Take a look at my list (coming i
        [See the full post at: Many identified problems with this month’s patches]

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      • #2295382 Reply
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        Bitdefender issue seems to have been fixed according to mjolnir via a bitdefender update. no official response 😐

        "The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see, the future is." - Yoda
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      • #2295433 Reply
        JD
        AskWoody Plus

        For those that were hoping that SSU’s were going to become a thing of the past soon:

        According to https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/simplifying-on-premises-deployment-of-servicing-stack-updates/ba-p/1646039

        Aria Carley of Microsoft:

        Currently we are just announcing the upcoming capability for those on Windows 10, version 2004 and above. Later on as we provide more capabilities / extend this capability to more versions, we will update this community. Stay tuned.

        🙂

        For those of us especially on Win 8.1, SSU’s are most likely going to have be continued to be installed as I don’t think M$ will extend this capability to Win 8.1 as it is no longer in mainstream support and will be EOL in about 2 years anyway. However, this sounds encouraging for Win 10 in the long run.

        Mod Edit: Quotation format

        Group "A"- Win 8.1 x64
        Win 10 ver. 1909 x64

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        • #2295443 Reply
          Microfix
          AskWoody MVP

          For those of us especially on Win 8.1, SSU’s are most likely going to have be continued to be installed as I don’t think M$ will extend this capability to Win 8.1 as it is no longer in mainstream support and will be EOL in about 2 years anyway.

          I’m quite happy with separate SSU’s from CU’s on Win8.1 and can live with the status quo until Win8.1 EoS. IMO this reduces the possibility of erroneous CU Win8.1 patches until then.

          "The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see, the future is." - Yoda
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          • #2295453 Reply
            JD
            AskWoody Plus

            Microfix wrote:

            I’m quite happy with separate SSU’s from CU’s on Win8.1 and can live with the status quo until Win8.1 EoS. IMO this reduces the possibility of erroneous CU Win8.1 patches until then.

            Very true and I even LIKE the idea I can install an SSU separately and NOT having it incorporated into the CU for that reason. I don’t mind having to install the SSU by itself because, most of the time, it doesn’t require a reboot of the system anyway.

            Group "A"- Win 8.1 x64
            Win 10 ver. 1909 x64

            • #2295460 Reply
              Microfix
              AskWoody MVP

              Precisely, options: download and install first the SSU then the CU (catalog method) OR let WU update deal with the CU then appears the SSU after a reboot in WU to install. All with a previous to patching imaged OS.
              If it ain’t broke.. 😉

              "The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see, the future is." - Yoda
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      • #2295434 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        People over at MDL forums reporting GUI repainting issues like left over artifacts /areas not refreshing / not correctly repainted in the UI of various programs and Windows itself after the installation of latest September Win 7 ESU cumulative monthly rollup or the sec. only update (KB4577051 / KB4577053)

        So far there are 3 distinct reports of this issue (including mine) on a total of 6 different Win7 installations, including one installation running on a virtual machine.

        The repaint issues reported to happen only when the Windows Classic visual theme is used.

        4 out of the 6 systems known to have Intel igpus (Skylake and Kaby Lake named). So it is yet unclear whether it is an issue for everyone using the classic visual theme or it happens only with Intel gpu hardware or with specific driver versions.
        For me apps that use overlays are seem to be affected mostly (web browsers, Skype, any program with various visual themes, etc…) and also tooltip popups.

        Similar issues, anyone?

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        • #2295472 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          I am having the same issue on Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Xeon W3505, Nvidia GeForce GT 1030 after the latest september update. Artifacts in firefox and other graphics programs, disabling hardware acceleration in firefox temporarily fixes the problem.

          • #2295481 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            So it’s probably not happening on certain hardware/drivers only. That’s good news since if it’s a general problem then there’s a higher chance for a fix.

        • #2296750 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          We’re experiencing something that seems similar.

          Is it showing the desktop where your window should be also?

          Also is this issue intermittent for other people?

          Has anyone found a solution for this problem?

      • #2295444 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        The display artifact issue started for me since the August Win7 updates.

      • #2295457 Reply
        CK722RAY
        AskWoody Plus

        Just allowed September 2020 updates to process on my HP Laptop Pavilion
        I7 Core computer running Windows 10 1909 x64 Home Edition. This Laptop
        gets little use and I have not had any issues with previous updates
        since being newly purchased in January 2020.

        Paused Updates was NEVER activated on this PC and the following jobs
        were retrieved and run to completion without any issue:
        KB8908930 – Malware Software
        KB4574727 – Cumulative Update
        KB4576751 – Service Stacks
        KB4576484 – NET Framework

        Prior to doing any September Updates, this Laptop PC had received the
        “OK” to Upgrade Features to Windows 2004 and was awaiting my pressing the
        Download button to begin this process. It’s been there over two months
        and I’ve yet to run it!

        So, upon completing the September updates my Windows 2004 Upgrade notification
        was now GONE! Instead “You’re Up to Date – Check for Updates” appears? Tried
        Checking for updates several times but still NO 2004 notification. The Laptop Windows 10 OS still remains as version 1909 x64 Home Edition now with OS Build 18363.1082.

        I’ve noticed that several Forum members have reported the 2004 Feature Update
        being run without being requested. Has anyone seen this REMOVAL of Microsoft’s
        Approval to proceed with the 2004 Features Update?

        • #2295495 Reply
          Pixie
          AskWoody Lounger

          CK722RAY

          I have had this issue in  past updates where the pending new version offer disappeared after installing current month updates however it did come back after a few days or a week after computer checked for updates.  I did not check, “check for updates”.  It did reappear after a little while.  Give it a few days.

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          • #2297480 Reply
            CK722RAY
            AskWoody Plus

            An Update to my September 10th posting re: Windows 2004 Feature Notification being GONE!

            On Thursday, September 17th it returned as Pixie advised.  Thanks.

            (I’ve still NOT run the 2004 Feature Update)

            • This reply was modified 4 days, 16 hours ago by CK722RAY.
      • #2295475 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I can’t log on to my computer. It says that I’ve typed in wrong password but I didn’t. Don’t know what the trouble is. It happened right after the computer updated.

        • #2295478 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          The computer is a laptop or a desktop? Running Win7, Win8.1, or win10 (which version)? Which Edition, Home or Pro?

          Have you tried rebooting the computer several times?
          Is there any message other than “password not correct”?

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          • #2295491 Reply
            woody
            Da Boss

            Sure sounds like the temp profile bug, eh?

        • #2297330 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          Further on the missing credentials problem….

          See this post on the main blog:

          Win10 version 2004 systemwide password “amnesia”

           

      • #2295505 Reply
        Skider86
        AskWoody Lounger

        Silly question, but why on earth is everyone adopting Win10 v2004 with all of its drama when v1909 is much more stable?

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        • #2295539 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          You ‘n me, both.

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        • #2295542 Reply
          joep517
          AskWoody MVP

          Because for most people there is no drama. In spite of what you see in support forums, the percentage of people with problems is small. This may end up being a large number but still a small percentage. Support forums generally do not see near as many success stories as problems. Thus it is easy to get the impression that any particular release is chock full of problems.

          --Joe

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          • #2295689 Reply
            woody
            Da Boss

            Good point.

            But there are bugs – like the search bugs or defrag timestamp bug – that few people will notice until they actually need the functionality.

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            • #2295753 Reply
              anonymous
              Guest

              Both bugs you mention have been fixed.

              • #2295759 Reply
                woody
                Da Boss

                True – but the TRIM on HDD bug hasn’t been fixed. Or acknowledged.

                Let’s see if this month’s 2004 cumulative update actually does what it’s supposed to do. If it does, I may change my mind about installing 2004.

                Besides, what’s the rush? I don’t see anything in 2004 that’s even remotely interesting.

              • #2297486 Reply
                bbearren
                AskWoody MVP

                Besides, what’s the rush? I don’t see anything in 2004 that’s even remotely interesting.

                First, as a matter of preference, I never do clean installs other than on unlicensed bare-metal builds.  I always upgrade in-place.  If one is properly prepared, there is simply no reason to delay.

                I’ve been running five installations since 2004 was made available and I have been unable to replicate any bugs on my systems.

                Two of my installations are plain vanilla Microsoft Windows guided upgrades.  The other three are variously modified, one of which is completely off the reservation.

                Still, no bugs for me.  What I do get is increased speed, improved stability and efficiency.  That is interesting.

                Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
                "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns
                "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

              • #2295771 Reply
                Noel Carboni
                AskWoody_MVP

                Both bugs you mention have been fixed.

                Precisely the reason to delay adopting a version release until essentially the next one is ready.

                -Noel

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      • #2295562 Reply
        dononline
        AskWoody Plus

        WIN 10 1909 — I somehow forgot to turn off Windows Update after applying the August patches on one of my laptops. I use WUMGR to manually apply patches and updates. When I returned home from lunch yesterday afternoon, I discovered that the laptop had rebooted. In total shock and horror, I signed in and checked the version number. Sure enough, it had applied the September patches (it’s now OS build 18363.1082), but not Win 10 2004!!! (A big “thank you” to the Windows Update gods for that!!) So far so good … but I’m keeping my fingers and toes crossed for a few more days!

        • #2295772 Reply
          Noel Carboni
          AskWoody_MVP

          If you want to control Windows Updates so as to be – God forbid – a bit more conservative and apply your patches only after they’ve been debugged a bit – then you essentially walk a tightrope where if you falter you fall into the abyss of what Microsoft would rather you do instead of what you WANT to do.

          How is it that we have reached a state where what smart people want to do is not what Microsoft wants us to do? How is it what Microsoft wants us to do is not reliable?

          It seems fewer and fewer folks continue to question this. Remember when we were given the options to make it do what we want? Computers have gotten nothing but more powerful and more flexible, but software is driving the opposite way in the name of… ?? Easier engineering? Cheaper support? More security? Dumbing down?

          -Noel

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        • #2296392 Reply
          JohnH
          AskWoody Plus

          As a recent convert from Win7Ent, my lack of detailed Win10Pro knowledge means I’m in the embarrassing position of being unable to locate the dialog box of KB* listings that made applying some while excluding others a breeze. I’m really hoping it’s possible to do the same under Win10, if some kind soul could direct me to that option…

      • #2295594 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        For those that were hoping that SSU’s were going to become a thing of the past soon:

        Nothing has changed. The SSUs may have a separate KB but are downloaded in the background, on Windows 10, together with the monthly CU. The SSUs doesn’t appear in update history only in uninstall updates.
        That “new” change applies to WSUS only (for now)

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      • #2295595 Reply
        PFC
        AskWoody Plus

        seems PC Mechanic has found it’s way into v2004. I think I saw it before doing Sep updates but not while on 1909. This is an old pup and following some old suggestions to remove it, I still see it. I’m running Bitdefender and also done periodic scans with windows defender. Windows 10 pro 64 Dell XPS 2720.

      • #2295622 Reply
        PFC
        AskWoody Plus

        I should clarify; the Bitdefender I’m using is Bitdefender engine included with IObit Malware Fighter Pro

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        • #2295627 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          The install of the IObit software is where you picked up the PC Mechanic. If you do a custom install, you will probably have the option to uncheck the hidden “extra.”

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          PFC
        • #2295765 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          I have been told by Bitdefender not to use any other malware with there program as it can interfere with there service. I have been a customer for over 10 years with no trouble so I listen to them.

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      • #2295621 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I’ve used the wonderful MDL ESU Bypass to update six computers, all running Win 7 Pro – SP1x64.

        Two are Lenovo S20s, both with Matrox C420 gpus. The other four are laptops: two Lenovo Thinkpads (an x200s and an x220), and two HP Elitebooks (an 840 G1 and an 820 G3). All the laptops have different onboard Intel graphics chips.

        I’ve had no problems of any kind.

        • #2295663 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          Because of the listing your gpus I assume you tried to reply to #2295457  – do you use / did you switched to the classic theme in these machines (since as it is stated the reported problem is occouring only with that visual theme)?

          • #2295683 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            Yes, I did try to reply to #2295457.

            And please excuse me for forgetting to mention it: I use the program “Classic Shell” and a solid-color desktop background on all my machines.

            • #2295687 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              If you want to Reply to a post, please press the “Reply” button at the top of the post and type your response in the box provided.

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      • #2295942 Reply
        Lawrence Patterson
        AskWoody Plus

        For those of us running Win 2016 Server and Exchange 2016, wanted to report that given CVE-2020-16875, I decided to successfully apply Sept. updates to my Exchange server yesterday.  It took 2 attempts / reboots (fortunately didn’t run into the occasional 2016 Windows Update hangups, one recent month it took hours) with the results as follows:

        • KB226702, KB4577352, KB890830, KB4576479, KB4576750 queued up run and reboot, with KB4577352 showing as failed;
        • KB4577352 was applied once again and reboot, with it showing as successfully installed.</p>

        Going to wait to apply Sept.’s updates to the rest of the servers / clients till the end of the month.

        IT Manager Geek

      • #2295965 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Quite common – but a lot of devices failing to install the latest patches.

        https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/cumulative-update-wont-install-kb4571756-error/c4f93506-b0d5-4c53-b653-c8d7f7934c70

        14 need answer

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      • #2296347 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I am having difficulty installing KB 4574727 on to my hp laptop.  Took hours and still did not install

        Tried twice yesterday and again twice today keep getting filed to install message.  Just flagging it up

        • #2296355 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Do you get an error code for the failure?

          • #2296353 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            I got different error codes. But didn’t keep note of them. Sorry

          • #2296990 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            Codes for install failure

            0x8024000b
            0x800f080a

            Thanks

      • #2296366 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        Mayank Parmar has a bug roundup on Windows Latest.

      • #2296477 Reply
        PatchingKins
        AskWoody Lounger

        I wanted to report an issue I have been experiencing for quite some time now with the updates installed near PT for September 2020. I have not had the time to narrow down the actual issue if it is driver related or CU related.

        Hardware / Software specs:

        • HP EliteBook 840 G5
        • I7
        • 16GB
        • Windows 10 Enterprise 64bit
        • Build 18363 / 1909

        Almost every time I put my computer to sleep or lock, there is some type of display issue happening. I come back and only one of my monitors (1/3) is recognized by the OS and it is not my main monitor; usually my 3rd one. I have checked all cables, re-seated them even and swapped them out. The problem is solely due to some update.

        I go into display settings and although it recognizes 3 monitors, it will only display on 1 of them and if I try and click on the other 2 monitors, the resolution box is even grayed out.

        I’ve attached a few pictures to this post. Trying to adjust the resolution on the “not working”.

        Oh and also, my desktop background continues to randomly go black and I can only fix this by flipping my main monitor display to a different one then switching it back to the original one. I think I remember this issue happened with a funky CU a few months back.

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        - Kins
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      • #2297042 Reply
        coolyman
        AskWoody Plus

        I have had 3 trouble tickets resolved by removing KB4574727 CU since last week. Two were printing from 32-bit applications and one was that the PC would never shutdown.

      • #2297351 Reply
        Ricard
        AskWoody Plus

        Any further information about the lost printers in August Win 7 updates?  I’ve been holding off installing August, not wanting to deal with the problem if it appears, however unlikely. And if uninstalling the update is the only answer, what do we security only people do? And even if you do CU’s, will the September CU still have the problem?

        Patch management  group on google doesn’t seem to have further advice – or maybe I’m not looking properly, I’m new there.

        Win 7 Pro, 64-Bit, Group B ESU,Ivy Bridge i3-3110M, 2.4GHz, 4GB, XP Mode VM, WordPerfect
        • #2297360 Reply
          SueW
          AskWoody Plus

          I’m not sure this will answer your question, as I use abbodi86’s standalone script to update my Win 7 Group B computer. I installed August Win 7 updates and have not encountered any printer problems; my printer is an HP 1315 All-in-One.

          Win 7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit; Office 2010; Group B (SaS); Former 'Tech Weenie'
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        • #2297367 Reply
          Microfix
          AskWoody MVP

          I installed the September ESU (using abbodi’s script) on Win7 Pro x86 SMQR-Group A, and have had no issues with the printer either (standalone device with connected Canon PIXMA)

          "The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see, the future is." - Yoda
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        • #2297428 Reply
          jburk07
          AskWoody Plus

          I installed the August rollup (Group A) using abbodi86’s standalone script on my Win7 Home Premium hp laptop and haven’t had any problems printing (Brother printer, HL-L2395DW).

          Linux Mint Cinnamon 19.2
          Group A:
          Win7 Pro x64 SP1 Haswell, 0patch Pro, dual boot with Linux
          Win7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Ivy Bridge, 0patch Pro, mostly offline
          Win 10 Pro x64 v1909 Ivy Bridge, dual boot with Linux

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