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GuestUgh… it is a hot mess and the shape of things to come i fear. I don’t know where to start with that lot, all but the time zone change are optional and unchecked so i’ll be happy keeping them there i think. KB3184143 might be useful for those infected with the gwx malware i suppose but since i only have KB3146449 installed (included in one of the IE cumulative updates) and nobody has any real evidence of how it’s triggered why bother. Meh.
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AskWoody LoungerIt surely validates my point that Ms lost control of windows development.
The only way to force them to regain control is some sort of revolution — say, all users setting up Wu to never. I wont hold my breath and frankly all that tolerate this whether A or B should stop complaining its useless
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abbodi86
GuestI just noticed that KB3185278/KB3185279 rollups CBS name is Package_for_RollupFix (the name shown with Dism tool)
i.e. for win7 x86:
Package_for_RollupFix~31bf3856ad364e35~x86~~7601.23545.1.4which is the same scheme used in Win10 cumulative updates to ensure old ones get superseded and removed automatically
so this officially makes September rollups the first Monthly Rollup Preview Update
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John in Mtl
GuestOh boy, here we go again!! A massive batch? can’t wait to see what’s in there.
Was looking at one machine at work today; those usually receive all updates, whatever they are, minus the drivers. A whopping 659 updates were applied since SP1 + Office 2007 + .NET.
No wonder its a mess!!
To say they could have fixed it all with one “real” Service Pack. What was stopping MS from saying: “here’s an SP for windows 7. However it DOES NOT mean that it extends support 5 more years”. Even though they traditionally suported SP’s for 5 years, what’s stopping them from breaking with tradition?
Aw, its too simple!
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GuestOh, it’s not really that bad. I went ahead and installed KB3182203, KB3181988, KV3184143, and the rollup KB3185278. I wanted the rollup mainly because they said it did some cleanup for Windows Update. It all went smoothly and fairly quickly for me. After rebooting, I went ahead and did a Disk Cleanup on the C drive, and made sure to click on the “Clean up system files” button. Rebooted again, and did a defrag on C for good measure. Everything appears to be in good order.
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AskWoody_MVPYou may remove some of the Windows Updates and SP1, if it was installed separately, using Disk Cleanup.
For Office, the only way that I know of cleaning up is to completely uninstall the product and reinstall while patching with only what comes up at the current time. It is the same with .NET Framework 4.
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AskWoody LoungerKB3184143 :
This update “replaces” the following previously-released software…….
Just remove those updates? Or does it replace them with some other things? If so what?
Sounds interesting…..
Since I do not have ANY of those updates installed on any of my computers, I have no need for this thing and will hide it immediately.
KB3185278 with the supposedly improved Disk Cleanup Tool sounds like something useful, but I will at least wait several weeks to see if there are any problems. Microsoft apparently no longer tests its updates sufficiently and I certainly do not intend to act as Microsoft’s tester.
Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.
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Guest@James Bond 007… “waiting several weeks” should have a deadline of 10/3 if I’ve interpreted that “3rd Tuesday Preview” thing properly.
Everything available for Preview on the 3rd Tuesday (yesterday) will be included in the “Rollups” for the following month’s two patch Tuesdays.
In other words (if I’m understanding the new WU routine correctly) everything in the list that was released on 9/20 will be removed and not available individually. The cutoff dates would be 10/3 for the non-security patches and 10/10 for the security patches.
Am I thinking on the right track here Woody or am I out there somewhere in the Ozone… again?
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Gueston another note:
I’ve been prepping a VM of Win7 for my MDT deployment, and had no issues with the following:
Installed windows from the HP Win7 SP1 x64 media.
-change to “never check for updates”
-manually install:
–3020369 (will scan for updates for a very, very long time before allowing you to install it. Took my VM 2.5 days)
–3112343 (requires reboot) (required by Kaseya and other software for proper patch scanning, otherwise it’ll just show as no patches needed)
–3172605 (requires reboot)-manually scan for updates
-only check the following:
–IE11
–3102433 (.net 4.6.1)
–976932 (Win7 SP1 finalization – always hits my machines for about 9mb even though it’s already on the ISO. Maybe some sort of fix to it?)
–890830 (malicious software removal tool)
(installing these first seems to remove a few other patches from availability, mainly old dotnet 4 stuff and ie8 patches, and makes other ones available to install)
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GuestI have found that my Samsung laptop is locked down. The boot section of the UEFI setup only lists “Windows Boot Manager” and no other devices.
It has a Phoenix Secure BIOS. The computer is three years old. The design is four years old, coming out in 2012 with Windows 7, but Samsung changed the OS to Windows 8 when it came out and that is how I purchased it.I will have to purchase a Linux computer.
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abbodi86
GuestBTW, Servicing Stack Update KB3177467 is an exclusive update
meaning it must be installed alone on live system, and there must be no pending servicing operation, otherwise you can’t install any updates until you rebooti believe they made this change to overcome the issue that KB3020369 had when it installed along with other pending updates, which caused the reboot stuck
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GuestMicrosoft has been doing the same thing for a long time.
On the 3rd Tuesday, the following month’s patches show up as unchecked optionals. They stay in the optional list, unchecked, until the day (Mon) before the following patch Tuesday. They are not meant to be installed by WU or the average User (since they are not checked and not in the important list). MS will call them “previews” starting in Oct. They have been there for testing and those brave souls that think they have to have everything “right now.”
On the Mon before patch Tues, the unchecked optionals (“previews”) disappear from the optional list. They reappear on patch Tues as checked important or recommended in the important update list when MS releases the patch Tues updates (around noon Central Time).
Hasn’t MS said there will be a monthly rollup and other things will have separate updates (like .NET, IE, Flash, Office, etc)? So we should expect a number of patches in the “preview” stage and they should show up in WU checked in the important list on the 2nd Tues.
Those of us who adhere to Woody’s DEFCON will wait even longer to install the updates once they hit the checked important list. We do NOT INSTALL the unchecked optional patches before they are released on patch Tues (unless we are testing on a non-production machine or are just overly gung-ho).
Or am I reading this wrong?
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GuestI am a little confused here. Is this discussion of 2007 for Win 7 and 8?
I have win 10 OS, but am using MS Office 2007. Are you and ch100 saying MS is going to be doing something to the functionality of MS Office 2007 for any OS one is using?
If that is the case, one should upgrade to MS office 2010 or higher?
Mike H what do you mean y breaking it in the next 6 months?
Not having Win 7 any longer (and not by choice) I have not been following the latest turmoil MS is causing for 7 and 8.
Thanks
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GuestThank “Warning” for the warning. Shared your link on DistroWatch.com at posts #89 & #90. Be interesting to see what traction it gets there.
https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20160919&mode=67Also shared this link:
https://imgur.com/a/7s777 which is an image of a forum post allegedly deleted later by Lenovo, which states, in part:
“This system has a Signature Edition of Windows 10 home installed. It is locked per our agreement with Microsoft”
The link for the imgur image came from the Lenovo forum discussion. Message #178 page 18 by DaemonFC.
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GuestI think MS said there would be a Windows monthly rollup and other tings would have individual patches. Like Windows security and non-security Monthly Rollup, .NET update, IE update (at least at first), Office updates, Flash update, etc.
I don’t think they said ALL of that stuff would be in one patch.
Or am I reading that wrong?
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ch100
AskWoody_MVP“976932 (Win7 SP1 finalization – always hits my machines for about 9mb even though it’s already on the ISO. Maybe some sort of fix to it?)”
This is KB2533552 – try to install it manually before KB3020369
It is only cosmetic as it is bit by bit superseded by KB3020369, but like your Kaseya patch, Windows Update is looking for it. I knew about the supersedence and being not consistent, but Abbodi provided the fine details at the included file level and it was confirmed by me.
“–3020369 (will scan for updates for a very, very long time before allowing you to install it. Took my VM 2.5 days)”
This is annoying. Woody and other posters claim success by turning the service off or even pulling the cable from the internet. I don’t know, as I don’t experience those issues with the setting on Never check. It seems that the updater is looking for some certificates and if it can’t find them, it waits until it times out. You must be very patient to allow it to complete in 2.5 days, even if it is obvious to me that you leave it running in the background.
Try the Windows Update Minitool about which I posted in another thread and select to include superseded updates. There is a lot to learn and understand from using that tool.
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GuestHelp! I noticed a stability problem on a Win 8.1 tablet [W700] this AM, and ran sfc/scannow. The resulting CBS log showed installations of GWX.
I have no clue where these came from as I run Josh’s Control Panel regularly just as a check, and have not done any Windows updates for over a month.
Use a local account only and have been signed out from my MS and store accounts for months. Also Never check for updates and the checkboxes are unchecked.
Yet GWX Control panel found and deleted Win 10 apps installed on the tablet, and now on my desktop.
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GuestIn Microsoft’s own description of KB3184143 from:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3184143‘This update replaces the following previously-released software:
…’Replaces these patches with what exactly?
If they had stated that it ‘removes’, I would be more comfortable in applying it.
Yes, I’m getting ‘Twitchy’ about MS.
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AskWoody LoungerI’ve considered myself a group B user, but I’d been realizing that I’m more group A, just ‘delayed’. However now I think I’m beyond B.
Going forward, I’m just installing security updates (like many other people have said they do). If it says security update, I’ll install it…after waiting the standard 2-4 weeks at least unless it’s something alarming.
At this point, I care, but I don’t care. Anything before 10 isn’t going to get feature updates, so all these other updates they’re trying to push down that aren’t security updates can sit in obscurity for all I care. I’m done.
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GuestI’ve been a Win7 Pro, Group B updater for some time, and successfully avoided the whole GWX mess early on, by first being careful to avoid all GWX updates, and later with the GWX Control Panel.
I did not install the July KB3172605, or August Kb3179573 rollups when they first appeared, and contrary to what Woody has written in the article, these continue to be offered to me as “Optional” updates when I run a scan in WU. (I must have been doing something right in all of this, since the scan took less than five minutes.)
Right now, I’m being offered seven “Important” updates (Security for IE11, four Win7 Security updates, the Novosibirsk Time Zone and Sept.’s MSRT), and six “Optional”:
KB3179930 (Reliability Roll Up for Win7)
KB3172605 and
KB3179573 (the monthly Rollups mentioned above)
KB3181988 (the USBHUB.sys.mui bug-fix)
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GuestI mentioned that few months ago even when I was willing to splash out cash for the latest newest obscenely powerful for what I most definitely do not need for daily use 🙂
and not only that the hardware drivers are lock too… even though they are no Ms business…
all the hardware drivers use to come with the computer (I bought dell and that was the case prior 2008)anyway if one can get linux on maybe it can search for open source alternative drivers
but you would have to kiss billy is an angel and the warranty goodbye forever…
which mean it maybe better off to custom build (in the east anyway)
or if anyone wants to try – buy the top notch machine then dban the whole thing and install linux or whatever you want
okie thats the crazies (for the normal ppl)
but then is not all freedom fought and won by those who think out side of the box
AND…. venture out off PROMISEDWONDERLAND?biily is angel use to think to sell one or more computer in every home ON EARTH and got sued by his own government… (now he wants the moon and the galaxy)
funny all the hollyhoot movie sell freedom and hero like crazy for all those who watch them – the fantasy – inside prison… prison of the soul and mind anyway
2cents rant… hv a good wkend ppl
peace2u
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AskWoody LoungerUsing Belarc Advisor, I checked on some of the Sept patches for Win7. I tried to download KB3175024 but it appeared to have been pulled. I read a comment somewhere online that it had been superseded by KB3172605. I’m not sure if this is true but I did find KB3172605 and it is meant for Win7 – even though Belarc didn’t call for it!
Today I found that KB3175024 has reappeared as KB3175024-v2. I can only assume that there was some problem and it hopefully was fixed? Unusual for MS to do that so quickly!
My biggest worry is that the “new” update rollups will be huge downloads. That’s okay if you have fast and reasonably priced internet but lesser netizens like me are really going to get slammed. I was always a Windows girl. I loved XP and grew to like Win7. Now I just received a recent version of Linux Mint to play with. Do you hear that, Redmond? WE’RE NOT HAPPY ANYMORE!
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woody
ManagerAlthough the KB article has been updated, I don’t see a new release for KB3175024. Do you have a link?
Unlikely that the new cumulative updates will be any larger than the current ones, at least in the near future. MS will gradually roll in older patches. But remember that Windows Update only “installs the deltas” – you won’t get all of the files, every time.
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PKCano
GuestYou are not being offered any update that is not CHECKED IN THE IMPORTANT LIST. They are there only there for PREVIEW.
DO NOT INSTALL ANY OF THE NEW UNCHECKED OPTIONAL UPDATES!!!!!!
And is is not yet time to install the checked important list from Sept 13 either. We are still on DEFCON 2 – which only refers to the Sept CHECKED IMPORTANT updates issued last week.
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GuestWell, you have every right to not have the slightest idea, but in all fairness, don’t blame MS for that. At the same time, to imply that this is insignificant could be viewed as arrogant and disrespectful to the people of Novosibirsk and (presumably) the entire administrative unit to which it belongs. It is not their fault that the manner in which MS implements these regional changes may be annoying to those who live elsewhere.
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GuestThat’s the plan – I’m not installing updates yet, but every so often, especially when things heat up on AskWoody.com, I’ll take a look at what’s on offer. Just to be clear, I have not applied any MS updates since the last “DefCon 3” declaration a couple of weeks ago.
The point I am making is that my experience does not follow what Woody posted elsewhere, that the monthly “Rollups” appear first as Optional, and then the next month move to “Recommended” or even “Important” with a checked check-box. Those from July and August are still appearing in the “Optional” list on my machine.
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GuestKB3175024 is originally released with v2
there were not any previous version that been pulled
both KB3172605 and KB3185278 contain KB3175024 componentsyes, the rollups will increase in size with each month
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GuestHi Woody,
What’s your recommendation with regard to the NET Framework rollup KB3186208 for 8.1?
The reason I’m asking is because it contains 4.5.2, 4.6 and 4.6.1 while I only have 4.5 installed. Do I really need the additional flavours?
As for the GWX removal tool, I don’t have any of the KBs you mentioned in your Infoworld article installed i.e. 3035583, 3064683, 3072318, 3090045, 3123862, 3173040 and 3146449 (managed to avoid all of them successfully). But did the GWX package install anything else besides those that you mentioned?
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ManagerWait for the .NET rollup. I think the installer is smart enough to only install the updates for the versions you need – but I’ve been wrong before.
I don’t know – don’t think anyone knows – if there are any other culpable patches in the “Get Windows 10” debacle. I have a feeling that those are the only ones.
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poohsticks
GuestRegarding the Windows Update Cleanup, I have always followed HowtoGeek.com’s advice at
http://www.howtogeek.com/266337/what-should-i-remove-in-disk-cleanup-on-windows/“Windows Update Cleanup:
When you install updates from Windows Update, Windows keeps older versions of the system files around.
This allows you to uninstall the updates later.
However, if you don’t plan on ever uninstalling any Windows updates, this is a waste of space.
This is safe to delete as long as your computer is working properly and you don’t plan on uninstalling any updates.”I cannot ever be sure that my computer is working, or will continue to work, properly, particularly as it’s a Lenovo laptop and it has a couple of inherent problems,
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GuestJust a thought — if you can’t see the “Windows Update Cleanup” option when you first run Disk Cleanup, have you clicked on the button in the Disk Cleanup window called “Clean up System Files? It does a second Disk Cleanup and gives you more options afterwards, including “Windows Update Cleanup”.
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“Assuming you have administrator access to the computer, you’ll want to click “Clean Up System Files” to view a complete list of files you can delete.”
http://www.howtogeek.com/266337/what-should-i-remove-in-disk-cleanup-on-windows/—-
Some tips that helped some people with this:
http://www.sevenforums.com/performance-maintenance/362294-disk-cleanup-does-not-delete-windows-update-files.html?s=6dd1ea2a00e6708041a6491e6f1a40ed -
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Guest@Woody,
I know you recommend DuckDuckGo,
and a few of the threads here over time have included readers’ (including my) recommendations of Ixquick.com and Startpage.com, which claim that they put a premium on user security and privacy…
You do not mention those 2 search engines (they are run by the same company, from Europe), and I am wondering if you think that those 2 search engines are NOT “snoop-proof” for Americans to use,
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AskWoody_MVPIt has always been there under Optional. If you really want to avoid any optional patch, although KB3172605 is a good one, try at minimum to have KB3138612 installed. This one is fully supported and flagged as Important. The agent may not have all the enhancements from KB3172605, but I consider it “good enough” and usable until KB3172605 becomes at least Recommended.
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AskWoody_MVPI found something interesting on few computers which are fully patched except for one missing patch and I would like someone who has the capabilities to test to confirm if possible.
KB3177467 does not appear in the list of detected updates if Microsoft Update is enabled, but it does if only Windows Update is enabled. This seems to be a Windows Update client bug, as the patch is there and alive and can be seen and installed with third-party tools like WU Minitool. -
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AskWoody_MVPUpdate: I am currently checking a computer on which KB3172605 was installed on September 15 and it appears there in History as Recommended. So it may indeed be degraded back to Optional due to new bugs discovered, like the one about which I posted in relation to KB3177467 not being detected?
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GuestI’m just wondering why they’re offering it again that’s all. Or even offering it at all, i thought this was always a standard feature of disk cleanup. Maybe they revised it to take into account the gwx malware they now want to clean up? Who knows. Windows updates are a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a puzzle…
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GuestThat’s why i switched to ublock origin, plus it’s far kinder on system resources and with better features. If a little complex for the average user. But adblock plus whitelisting ads did not at all sit well with me, even if you can turn that off (for now). I don’t touch any google services except maps so the duck is my go to search engine but there are others with a similar philosophy of non-tracking such as https://www.ixquick.eu
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GuestMy W7 SP1 x64 machine is not “fully patched” with everything MS has sent down the chute since GWX. I am basically on the “security only” mode since back in 2015.
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AskWoody LoungerEven if what you said were true, I will still do it on my own timetable.
As far as I can see, for those updates that now appear on my computers running Windows 7:
KB3185278 — May be useful in the future, but will wait, and if it means it will be combined into the “rollup” next month, then it means I won’t install it, since I have decided to stick to security updates only from October (and if Microsoft decides to include any “rubbish” in the security updates in the future then even they will be banished)
KB3184143 — Useless for me as I do not have any GWX related updates on any of my computers, already hidden
KB3179930 — Same treatment as KB3185278, and it should appear as a separate .Net “rollup” anyway in October, so if it is needed I believe I can still install it then
KB3181988 — Useless for me as I did not use KB3125574 anywhere, already hidden
KB3182203 — Not useful for meSo I don’t think I will lose anything by ignoring the “deadline” you mentioned, if indeed it is real.
Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.
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GuestPlease! Give us a break!!! Finding an unmarked USB stick in your mailbox and then plugging it into your computer has NOTHING to do with Windows Update.
Don’t plug it in and no problem; plug it in and if your AV is up-to-date, no problem.
Plug it in and it leverages a security flaw which Windows Update hasn’t patched yet* and being in Group A won’t help you.
*And the fact that there are security patches almost every month shows that there are plenty of those.
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AskWoody_MVPThe issue is as I said, there is no pre-requisite patch of which I am aware and not installed and what is the weird one, it comes on Windows Update but not on Microsoft Update where Siverlight is on offer.
This does not happen on WSUS, only on Microsoft Update online.
It can be related to caching in the WU client, but with all my best efforts, I could not make the patch visible.
I think wuauclt /resetauthorization/ detectnow does not work anymore and is replaced with wuauclt /detectnow
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Manager“Important If you use Windows Server Update Services (WSUS) or System Center Configuration Manager (SCCM) to deploy updates, you have Automatically approve new revisions of approved updates enabled on your WSUS or SCCM environment, and you have already deployed KB3172605 automatically when it was initially released in July 2016, this revision will automatically deploy and require a restart after installation. You can disable the automatic approval setting for this update rollup if you don’t intend to automatically deploy the revision of this update rollup and its required restart. Please notice that disabling this setting would require a manual review and approval of any revisions.”
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AskWoody_MVPThe .NET rollup packages do NOT apply to those using .NET Framework 4.6.2 as that new version has all the .NET 4.x updates so far.
.NET 4.6.2 RTM is only available at the MS Download Center and not yet posted on Windows Update & Microsoft Update Catalog sites (maybe until the end of 2016 or sometime in early 2017, ha!)
But I’ve installed KB3184143 & ran the GWX remover on all my Win7 & Win8.1 PCs – also got rid of KB3123862.
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AskWoody Lounger@Woody: No, Woody, I would never install anything unless it was cleared by you.
This KB3172605 was the only one in the Optional List on Sept. 13th “Black Tuesday”.
After the Sept. 20th update list appeared (the Important ones), KB3185911 was missing, and a new one appeared, KB 3182203.
The Optional List had 4 new updates, plus the original, so there are 5 now.
I noted someone referenced KB3175024 which is on the original “Important List”. Nothing was installed from the Important List including this KB3715024.
I’ve seen reference to a KB3177467 however haven’t seen it in either list. Running Win7, Home Premium X64, and I think this one is for X32.(?).
Nothing ever “moves” without your OKAY (MS-DEFCON rating elevated). Thank you once again, Woody! 🙂
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GuestWoody: I’m a bit confused now. In the support doc for the updates you mentioned in your Infoworld article, it states that the removal tool REPLACES those updates.
But what does it replace them with? It is after all 23MB. To my way of thinking removing several updates should just give you back your free space not fill it up again with something else.
Here’s the link: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3184143
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AskWoody_MVPNicole, Woody’s quote is for enterprise users who had issues with random reboots because the system administrators did not understand a not so obvious setting and a solution to that problem.
You don’t have to do anything and do not need to hide the patch if you have the first version already installed.
Wait for Woody’s advice and install the new revision when the patch will prove to be reliable.
Please reply if you need further assistance or clarification.
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ch100
AskWoody_MVPThe Reliability Rollups for .NET Framework for all Operating Systems have been revised. It is not clear how and if it is only cosmetic.
I installed them on few machines and the initial versions looked like doing what were supposed to do.
This is why some of the patches are Optional, because they tend to be on the move still and those installing them EARLY are just Microsoft’s new generation of unpaid testers as Woody replied to me and he is obviously right if I need to say it once more 🙂To clarify, some old Optional patches are OK if needed, like those three patches for RDP 8/8.1 from 2013. They are a different class of Optionals being around for years and as such stable, but not for everyone’s use, even if they consider themselves to be in Group A. They can be safely installed or not, according to preference and use case.
The new ones are different though and even 1 month from release may not be enough to be considered safe for less technical users. -
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ManagerWhat smart route would you recommend for everyday Windows users?
I only see two options: (1) Install updates (including recommended) using Windows Update or (2) manually install each month’s security patches. In both cases, I think it’s reasonable to wait a few weeks after the patches are released to make sure they don’t clobber anything.
Am I missing something? (Other than “don’t patch at all” which has its own downside.)
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GuestOkay I am totally confused about something……
I have Windows 7 home and have the WU set to “check but let me decide”. The day after Patch Tuesday when I turned on my laptop the WU searched for updates as it always does. It found all the relevant updates which included the KB3179949 .Net Framework 4.6 and 4.6.1 reliability rollup. What is confusing is as of yesterday it has disappeared from the list. I always follow your Defcon rating and wait to install so I know I didn’t install it so WHERE DID IT GO? Please advise! Thanks! -
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GuestGood thinking Woddy but I found it. It showed up in my optional updates as Reliability Rollup for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.2, 4.6 and 4.6.1 on Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB3179930) Download size: 60.9 MB. I wonder why MS switched it from the recommended list to the optional list and why they changed the KB#?
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GuestWoody’s options of
“(1) Install updates (including recommended) using Windows Update or
(2) manually install each month’s security patches”will include your option of
“(3) Install all updates manually”,
because there will be no way to install individual updates after October’s Patch Tuesday.According to Microsoft’s Nathan Mercer, the only choice in the matter that the individual computer owner (or even the largest, most lucrative corporate customer of Microsoft) will have is in deciding whether to install
the joint security and non-security, cumulative Monthly Rollup on the second Tuesday
or
to install the non-cumulative, security-only Rollup on the second Tuesday and/or to install the non-cumulative, non-security Preview Rollup on the third Tuesday.—-
Or, perhaps your quibble is with Woody’s strategy to wait a few weeks instead of installing the new Rollups as soon as they are offered — but moving the timing forward wouldn’t be enough reason to create a new group beyond Groups A / B / C(W). It would just be a sub-group, such as Group A (risky branch) or Group B (risky branch).“if a patch turn bad, uninstalling is easy” — I’m not sure about that, uninstalling might become a little more complicated with these new Rollups, because multiple patches will need to be unentangled from the computer at one time. I can imagine a scenario where it might require several shutdowns/restarts and more time and attention from the computer owner to successfully uninstall a multi-patch Rollup.
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GuestPlease let’s not get too personal in our criticism of each other’s contributions on an individual level (or, unfairly stereotyping a group of contributors, such as calling their posts over-emotional).
It’s not helpful, and it’s not that kind of forum.
Indeed, it’s somewhat disrespectful to Woody, because this is very much his personal site that he allows us to visit as guests, and he values harmony and open-mindedness. -
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GuestIt doesn’t make a huge difference to me, i install them all (or most of them)
all updates are equal in my opinion, security/recomoended/optional/hotfix, as long as they are working
and like i said, i never install from WU or gives attention to what it offersbad patches that cause catastrophic issues are rare
updates that may have or have issue for a certain scenario, doesn’t make the whoe patch bad
take an example at CR KB3125574 and JulyR kb3172605, both have certain issues, yet they are extremely useful -
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GuestI received .net update on 4.5.2 and it took about 4 weeks ago. Then I read on these pages,somewhere, about update system to .net 4.6.1. Thought I would try for kicks and it installed and upon reboot it was gone. So I perceive for that , that my 2009 variety of Win 7 SP1 Home Prem does not digest that high protein stuff (HaHa)
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GuestHas anyone determined the details of the replacement software inherent in KB3184143 ??
Reference the following from KB3184143:
Update replacement information.
This update *replaces* the following previously-released software:KB 3035583 — Update installs Get Windows 10 app in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1
KB 3064683 — Windows 8.1 OOBE modifications to reserve Windows 10
KB 3072318 — Update for Windows 8.1 OOBE to upgrade to Windows 10
KB 3090045 — Windows Update for reserved devices in Windows 8.1 or Windows 7 SP1
KB 3123862 — Updated capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and Windows 7
KB 3173040 — Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1 end of free upgrade offer notification
KB 3146449 — Updated Internet Explorer 11 capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 -
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AskWoody LoungerWell said! Woody, poohsticks, Joe Friday….. Some blogs are the pits with their stupid, senseless comments that get so bloated. At least at Woody’s one gets answers and reassurance from all that is said/commented on……… to help us all in what we’re trying each one of us to do with our computer lives! And for others who perhaps haven’t commented here before who chip in with ‘stupid’, ‘troll-like’
statements……….. may it be said…….. This Blog is not the place for that………. go look somewhere else thank you…… LT -
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Guest@Nicole;
Ne pas s’inquiéter.
It wasn’t clear to me either Nicole.
After reading it at:
https://support.microsoft.com/kb/3172605
paying close attention to the commas and the bold print I got the drift.
Simple sentences by M$FT would have helped.JF
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AskWoody Lounger@Woody: Could you please provide a “deadline” for users to make their decision which “Group” they have chosen, and take the steps to set it up for that Group (A, B, or “C/W”)??
It’s been quite a while since I’ve seen any reference on this point and October 1st is almost upon us.
Thank you for the information, which I should have asked sooner. 🙂
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GuestThank Goodness for proprietary Lenovo System Restore software — and for the fact that I had a very recent external backup of my entire system. I had to RECOVER from this apocalyptic mess, and I did so successfully this evening.
Shortly after I installed this hot mess I opened “Computer” (in Win7 Pro 64, SP1.) Most of my icons were missing.
Then I opened a media file (previously usable) in Media Player: that too failed.
I then tried to execute SFC/SCANNOW in an elevated Command prompt: failed to execute.
Back I went to my most recent full-system backup. When Windows Update tried once again to force this on me, I declined it and hid it.
Good riddance.
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GuestGiven a (32 bit) W7 ultimate sp1 a few years back.On Oct.11 = KB3177467= critical———–My WU miniTool says that I hid it,& most likely reason I was not sure at time what it was for.Since learnt it is rated critical by googling KB3177467. [What exactly is it for??]Not computer literate/savvy, so very much appreciate your site,with microsoft making final 3 years of W7 a continuing nightmare/headache! Many ,many thanks for a service that should-NOT be required,but microS makes necessary.
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Is there any consensus on whether KB3177467 should be installed or not? This morning, I was following Woody’s Group B steps to install the October 2016 updates and something strange happened involving KB3177467.
After I had installed KB3192391 and rebooted, I entered Windows Update and was offered 4 important updates and 21 optional updates. (It might be of interest to note that one of the important updates was KB3185330 – the rollup – which Woody was not expecting to be offered as I had already installed KB3192391.) I hid KB3185330, installed the remaining 3 important updates and then rebooted (I never install optional updates with important updates).
I then entered Windows Update for a second time and, to my complete surprise, I was offered KB3177467 as the only update available!!! It was designated important and there were NO optional updates.
Bemused, I hid KB3177467, cancelled out of Windows Update and, after a little browsing on the Internet for more information, I entered Windows Update for the third time. This time, I was offered the 21 optional updates and no important updates!!!
Can anyone explain this behaviour? And should KB3177467 be installed? In Woody’s Infoworld article dated the 21 September 2016, he describes KB3177467 as “The obligatory update to Windows Update”. What does that mean?
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Guest– KB3177467 is an exlusive update that must be installed alone with no other pending updates to avoid the reboot stuck issue that’s is described in KB article
that’s why when you cleared all other important updates, you are presented with KB3177467 alone– yes, KB3177467 should be installed to stabilize the servicing (updating) stack
– KB3177467 is not an update to Windows Update
Windows Update -> the engine that checks, scan, compare, organize and offer updates
servicing stack -> the engine that process updates/features components and install/uninstall them– Windows Update doesn’t recognize security only updates (KB3192391), and will request the Monthly rollup nonetheless
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