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      • #2285810 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        I don’t have any particular words of wisdom to add to the ongoing debacle, except to say that Microsoft is very, very good at killing its acquisitions
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      • #2285818 Reply
        MrChaz
        AskWoody Lounger

        Does this mean we have to install the chinese language pack? :s

        illegitimi Non Carborundum
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      • #2285825 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        One can always trust Apple, Google, Facebook, and Twitter are clean.

        • #2285834 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          I hear ya… but this is a troubling move in a direction MS has long downplayed – collecting individually identifiable information about people.

          I can’t think of any other reason for MS to buy it – and Tom seems to implicitly agree.

          • #2285898 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            MS is the only suitor. Facebook? Europe will have a field day–“antitrust”. Google? Zero (or even negative) relationship with the Chinese. Apple? Don’t bother, just too busy.

            MS’s track record is it is unable to turn the collected data into INFORMATION. Otherwise, we would not have the Windows Update H***. I fear how my banks use my information more than MS.

             

          • #2286247 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            The US was looking to ban TikTok due to its ties to the CCP.  They probably offered Microsoft a deal on the product so they can backdoor in.  Microsoft then gains part of the Chinese market that I don’t think they’ve played much of a part in yet.

             

             

      • #2285851 Reply
        jodrre
        AskWoody Plus

        I mean, look what they did to popular streaming platform Beam/Mixer. Acquired Beam which objectively was a better product than Twitch, rebranded it to Mixer, and then what two or three years later shut it down pretty suddenly, forcing streamers who built a pretty good community there to go to either Facebook Gaming or Twitch.

        So they had all that consumer data right there and then fumbled the ball.

        Or maybe that’s not how it really happened, but what I observed as a consumer on Mixer.

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        • #2286179 Reply
          doriel
          AskWoody Lounger

          I dont know what they want to do with Tik-Tok. Will they let them continue in what they begun or will they dictate them what to do?

          Data is the most valuable resource right now. And Microsoft is good gravedigger. He burried lot of good ideas, that seemed to have bright future after brave public announcements – integrating cortana everywhere, then pull back. UWP was not success too, even if it lives until these days. Windows mobile is another example..
          But google is not different. Look at Google cemetery, there are lot of thigs I liked – google+ for example.

          I wish they focused on good stable OS. MSFT really does not listen to customers, he lives in a some kind of bubble, or there are just too many people at MSFT who think that eveybody around is worng and they understand better. Why not if legally they sell half-baked product. Service. Sorry.

          From the pHrozen-Ghost link:

          This new structure would build on the experience TikTok users currently love, while adding world-class security, privacy, and digital safety protections.

          Which basically means ruining the Tik-Tok. Maybe its interntinal to let MSFT ruin something that actually works. Since its more political problem as stated in the same article by MSFT:

          Microsoft fully appreciates the importance of addressing the President’s concerns. It is committed to acquiring TikTok subject to a complete security review and providing proper economic benefits to the United States, including the United States Treasury.

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      • #2285853 Reply
        pHROZEN gHOST
        AskWoody Lounger

        This seems to play right into the hands of The Donald …

        https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/31/tech/tiktok-trump-bytedance-sale/index.html

        Byte me!

        • #2285855 Reply
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          This is old news.
          Nadella has called Trump and now Trump is changing his mind [Ed – WL]

          Following a conversation between Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and President Donald J. Trump, Microsoft is prepared to continue discussions to explore a purchase of TikTok in the United States.

          Microsoft will move quickly to pursue discussions with TikTok’s parent company, ByteDance, in a matter of weeks, and in any event completing these discussions no later than September 15, 2020. During this process, Microsoft looks forward to continuing dialogue with the United States Government, including with the President.

          https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2020/08/02/microsoft-to-continue-discussions-on-potential-tiktok-purchase-in-the-united-states/

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      • #2285908 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        I fear how my banks use my information more than MS.

        MS uses your information more than your bank and passes that information to the FBI, NSA,…

        Microsoft shared Indian bank customers’ data with US intel

      • #2285997 Reply
        Ascaris
        AskWoody_MVP

        It has not really seemed that MS was all that interested in the consumer market for some time, other than for Xbox.  The level of abuse they’ve dished out to consumer-level users of Windows doesn’t scream “We value you and want to keep you as customers.” You don’t make valued customers beta test their own paid software on behalf of corporate customers, nor do you put ads or other monetization efforts into software that isn’t free (as in beer). It has looked to me, since the start of Windows 10, that MS had one last use for Windows consumers, and that was to use them as a stepping stone to the mobile market (where they would be much more interested in consumers).  Once that failed, it just seems as if consumer Windows is moribund, with MS focusing everything on the enterprise sector.

        I don’t really know, or particularly want to know, what TikTok is, other than that it has something to do with vapid, mindless video content, and I had no idea MS was involved with them until just now, but it is a bit strange to me. I am not sure what their interest is, but I do know that there’s a good chance that TikTok is on borrowed time from this point forward.

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        • #2286688 Reply
          doriel
          AskWoody Lounger

          consumer Windows is moribund

          You just made my day. I thought its czech endemic.

          I had no idea MS was involved with them until just now, but it is a bit strange to me.

          Im not sure, but I think first Tik-Tok announced he is looking for bussiness partner and Microsoft saw this as opportunity.
          Could it be that Microsoft was caught like a fish on fishing rod?

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      • #2286102 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Donald Trump: US Treasury should get cut of TikTok deal

        Donald Trump says the government should get a cut from the sale of TikTok’s US unit if an American firm buys it.

        The US president said he made a demand for a “substantial portion” of the purchase price in a phone call at the weekend with Microsoft’s boss.

        He also warned he will ban the app, which is owned by China’s ByteDance, on 15 September if there is no deal.

        https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53633315

      • #2286217 Reply
        Canadian Tech
        AskWoody_MVP

        Microsoft is where good software goes to die. Proven again and again and again.

        CT

        • #2286230 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          Canadian Tech wrote:
          Microsoft is where good software goes to die. Proven again and again and again.

          What about Winternals => Windows Sysinternals?

          And kids still seem to be playing Minecraft…

          Hope this helps.

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          • #2286738 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            What about Winternals => Windows Sysinternals?

            That’s totally because of Mark Russinovich.  He refused to join Microsoft unless they guaranteed to not fix it if it ain’t broken.

      • #2286241 Reply
        BATcher
        AskWoody_MVP

        The only reason for TikTok is Sarah Cooper…

        BATcher

        Ascetics go without, mystics go within.

      • #2286407 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Totally agree. See how MS messed up Skype once it bought it. Skype now is unusable in the current form. Plus MS Teams has totally messed up the beautiful source code that was Skype.

        • #2286433 Reply
          doriel
          AskWoody Lounger

          beautiful source code

          Unless you are willing to create webpage. Skype + NetBeansIDE = disaster. They are blocking port 80 for each other.

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      • #2286530 Reply
        WSJCitizen
        AskWoody Lounger

        The US was looking to ban TikTok due to its ties to the CCP.  They probably offered Microsoft a deal on the product so they can backdoor in.  Microsoft then gains part of the Chinese market that I don’t think they’ve played much of a part in yet.

         

         

        Once MS makes the acquisition, I fully expect the “Great Firewall of China” to be fully invoked. The leadership of the PRC will only care about their iron grip on information, even at the full detriment of their own entrepreneurs.

      • #2286693 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        China will not accept U.S. ‘theft’ of TikTok: China Daily

        China will not accept the “theft” of a Chinese technology company and is able to respond to Washington’s move to push ByteDance to sell short-video app TikTok’s U.S. operations to Microsoft, the China Daily newspaper said on Tuesday.

        China had “plenty of ways to respond if the administration carries out its planned smash and grab”, it added.

        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tiktok-china/china-will-not-accept-u-s-theft-of-tiktok-china-daily-idUSKCN25002I

        The buy move won’t go through without the approval of Chinese regulators.

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      • #2288344 Reply
        doriel
        AskWoody Lounger

        Czech media came with news, that US will ban TikTok in the middle of September. Is this information correct? This was really quick transition from bussiness friends to arch enemies. Was MSFT trying to “buy” all that data, that TikTok gathered?

        https://www.svethardware.cz/tiktok-zneuzival-chyby-v-androidu-tajne-ziskaval-mac-adresy-uzivatelu/52853

        I was also surprised, that TikTok was using bug in Android system and sent cyphered MAC address to TikTok servers.Also TikTok gathered data on iOS. They say…

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      • #2288507 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        US will ban TikTok in the middle of September

        The POTUS will issue an executive order banning US companies from dealing with TikTok and related companies. This is not a ban on TikTok but it means US property owners renting property to TikTok will be penalised, etc. What this means for TikTok’s 1000 or so US  employees is anyone’s guess.

        cheers, Paul

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      • #2288508 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        MSFT trying to “buy” all that data, that TikTok gathered?

        Yes. Microsoft wants the hundred of millions users data collected.

        There is a debate if Trump can order Apple, Google… to remove Tik Tok from their app stores all over the world or just in the US.
        Meanwhile Tik Tok has turned to US courts to challenge Trump’s order.

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