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      • #2304352 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        I like PWAs, but this is no way to get the ball rolling. (There’s a good discussion of Progressive Web Apps on Wikipedia.) Microsoft has PWA versions
        [See the full post at: Microsoft experiments with pushing Office progressive web apps onto Win10 machines – without your permission]

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      • #2304371 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Microsoft seems to be begging for us to completely abandon Windows in favor of Linux. We’ve already done that with 70% of our enterprise. Looks like the remaining 30% will be following sooner than later.

      • #2304388 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Different scenario but equally bad practice,  Chrome includes Google sheets, docs and slides as extensions. The same again in an apps tab plus some others.

        • #2304393 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          Still? I hadn’t seen that in a while, despite having done new installs recently. They would only come in if I installed their Google Drive backup programs. It makes sense there–they need them for some of the functionality.

          • #2304396 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            I don’t have google drive backup but do use Photos, which makes me wonder whether that may be the ‘invitation’. It shouldn’t be. My Google account is screwed down as hard as I can make it while still allowing the things I want to work. Regardless this is steering away from Microsoft’s apps. I may be tempted to use PWAs for free versions of Word and Excel 365, which I do use occasionally despite having Office 2010.

        • #2304444 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          While Google Drive, Docs, Sheets, and Slides do appear in the Chrome Apps tab (as they are technically PWAs), they don’t appear in my start menu on Windows, nor do they appear in my Applications folder on Mac, unless I right-click on them and create a shortcut for them, in which case their icons will appear as a regular program.

          I tolerate this, as I do use Google Drive and their services quite a bit, and it doesn’t take up a terrible amount of space, still being web-centric and otherwise a set-and-forget affair. I do not use Google Backup & Sync, just Google Chrome. I think they come bundled with Google Chrome, but you can uninstall them from the Chrome Apps tab, and reinstall them if needed from the Chrome Web Store (or maybe it’ll prompt you or something).

          Though I should note that there *does* appear to be a little bit of a confusing overlap… Even though I supposedly have a Google Drive… something… enabled in my Chrome Apps tab, when I visit the Google Drive website, I still get a + icon in my address bar with an option to “Install Google Drive”, the PWA. Not too sure what’s the difference between the two.

      • #2304390 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Those seem to have been on my computer since I installed Windows 10 1909, my first foray into Windows 10. Even though I installed without an Internet connection so I could make a local account and avoid installing those games.

        It sits on the nearly unused right side of my start menu, as a folder with all the apps in them. I’ve not touched them, and actually wound up installing LibreOffice–though admittedly it was for the SVG editor that could handle converting a PDF that Inkscape could not.

        I’m surprised that everyone doesn’t have this since they upgraded to 1909. I assumed it was there since it’s only after an Install that I can use WinAero Tweaker to (among other things) disable all advertising in Windows 10.

      • #2304422 Reply
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        more joy to come…with regards to browsers, this time they are taking functionality away!!
        https://www.ghacks.net/2020/10/15/microsoft-begins-manifest-v3-tests-in-edge-that-impacts-extensions-like-content-blockers/

        Mozilla, and some Chromium-based browser makers such as Opera, Vivaldi, and Brave, reassured users that they would not follow Google’s lead on this.

        hurrah for freedom of choice.
        Never 10, Never Chrome, Never Edge 🙂

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      • #2304421 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Windows 10 2004. 32-Bit. 10 year-old+. Toshiba Netbook. Incredibly slow, doing anything. Takes all day to install a latest version of W10.
        I noticed the Office PWA installed. Which raises a smile; I’ve Office H&S 2007 already installed. I only use Word & Excel.
        You don’t get much choice with W10. Previous OS’s were much more user oriented.
        If I ever need the disc space, I’ll ‘uninstall’ ’em; then, watch ’em come back in ?
        WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND !

        • #2304443 Reply
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Are you on the Insider Program?
          Exactly what version of 10? Win R, winver, Enter.

          cheers, Paul

          • #2304913 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            FWIW. W10 2004. 19041.572

            • #2305625 Reply
              Paul T
              AskWoody MVP

              Insider Program? That’s the only place the forced install is reported.

              cheers, Paul

      • #2304425 Reply
        doriel
        AskWoody Lounger

        Not surprised. Why they could not bring another app to their service withour our permission, if we all agreed in EULA? Its Microsoft product and Microsoft can do whatever he wants. This could raise Microsoft’s income, its some sort of marketing to me.

        What surprises me is, that there is another version of Microsoft office? Isnt already the forest of products/servicies dense enough?

        Dell Latitude E6530, Intel Core i5 @ 2.6 GHz, 4GB RAM, W10 1809 Enterprise

        HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

      • #2304427 Reply
        doriel
        AskWoody Lounger

        Previous OS’s were much more user oriented.

        Nailed it, mr. Anonymous. Maybe your notebook could use some SSD, thats the way to go with Windows 10. Enormous bloat that Windows 10 get has two or three reasons/goals:

        – Bloat is intentional: To sell more HW because old computers cannot handle this seven-headed-hydra
        – Advertise its own products thus making more money
        – Someone in Microsoft really thinks, that these feature upgrades are good.

        For someone maybe.

        Lets wait and see, if this can make it to the public release! Does not seem too secure in this era of malware wainting behind every corner, but why not have the app in browser? Seems like good idea, since browsers became must-have on every presonal computer.

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        • This reply was modified 6 days, 14 hours ago by doriel. Reason: keep being positive, dont swear so much :)
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      • #2304449 Reply
        UncleRemus83
        AskWoody Lounger

        This is the #1 gripe/fear/concern about Windows 10.  How you can you really trust it whenever Microsoft can just “push” something to it without warning or consent?  What else can they (or do they) do?

        • #2304465 Reply
          doriel
          AskWoody Lounger

          What else can they (or do they) do?

          I would say everything. And trust is still here. Microsoft gave you a way to operate your PC. They provide reliable service 99% of the time. And dont forget. You LEASE your operating system. You are buying license (right) to USE their intellectual property.

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          HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

      • #2304453 Reply
        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Why is everyone surprised?  Microsoft 365 is coming.
        (I think that means Microsoft wraps itself around you 360 degrees and then some)

        It is only starting here. Be patient.
        Eventually, Edge (or something similar – the only thing installed on your computer), will connect you to Windows (or something similar), running in a VM on Microsoft Servers in the Cloud, and everything else will be PWAs.

        Those of you old enough will remember the days of MainFrames, thin clients, dumb terminals.
        History reminds us, if we don’t learn from the past, it’s bound to repeat itself.
        Didn’t we learn anything?

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        • #2304462 Reply
          doriel
          AskWoody Lounger

          Those of you old enough will remember the days of MainFrames, thin clients, dumb terminals.

          I remember concept of Network Computers (NC, opposite of PC) back in 1997. And Also Cytrix terminals. It would be very “Microsoftish” if they turn 180 degrees and started to develop such terminals.

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          HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

        • #2304479 Reply
          lurks about
          AskWoody Plus

          Please, don’t remind of those nightmares. When the mainframe went done you were toast. You were also toast if the connection was ever lost some reason.

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          • #2304481 Reply
            doriel
            AskWoody Lounger

            Now we are toast just every first three tuesdays in the month, when patches are apllied.

            Dell Latitude E6530, Intel Core i5 @ 2.6 GHz, 4GB RAM, W10 1809 Enterprise

            HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

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      • #2304487 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Please excuse my ignorance–which is due in part to my excessive tendency to read things very literally–but:

        If something is a “web page”, how is it even possible, or necessary, for it to be “installed” on a device? (I don’t consider adding link to a website to a bookmark or “favorites” list to be an “installation”.

        I’m aware of the difference between applications that require a browser plug-in or even an installed program (such as various Citrix applications) but use the browser to host a GUI, and applications that are entirely on the web and accessed by nothing more than a generic standards-compliant browser (such as Google Docs). According to Wikipedia, a progressive web app is supposed to be the latter. But I’m also aware that people throw these terms around interchangeably at times.

        Can someone enlighten me about what is really being done here?

        Thanks.

      • #2304509 Reply
        LoneWolf
        AskWoody Plus

        What else can they (or do they) do?

        I would say everything. And trust is still here. Microsoft gave you a way to operate your PC. They provide reliable service 99% of the time. And dont forget. You LEASE your operating system. You are buying license (right) to USE their intellectual property.

        Definitely thinking you’re being sarcastic here ( =) ) but if I wanted an OS where everything was web-based, I’d have bought a Chromebook.

        Definitely concerned Microsoft is going this route, and then piping heavier stuff (AutoCAD, games) through some sort of alternate abstraction layer specifically for those things, or that it will become some form of thin-client/VDI for the heavy stuff. That will leave me with no incentive to stay with them for an operating system, and honestly, I’ve wanted to. It seems like they just keep doing things to make IT/tech people hate them to see where the limit is, and because (maybe) they want to go the lazy route, as well as the “everything is now a subscription” model.

        Why do that when I can just go to Ubuntu LTS or Debian, and say “enough is enough”? There’s only a few things I really want to see Linux do to make it easier for the end user and support people. If Microsoft wants to drag people into the Linux world, they may be cutting off their nose to spite their face after all these years, and while I don’t dislike Linux, I’ve never been an evangelist of it for the average user. That could change.

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      • #2305488 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        The claim now is the the PWA push is a ChrEdge bug and will be fixed by Microsoft (probably after caught red handed)

        • #2305626 Reply
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Whose claim? Links / references please.

          cheers, Paul

        • #2306118 Reply
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          The claim now is the the PWA push is a ChrEdge bug and will be fixed by Microsoft (probably after caught red handed)

          Edge stable version 86.0.622.48 came out a few days ago.
          not sure if that fixes the PWA bug

          edit – I did a clean install of Win10 20H2 build 19042.572 on a test PC and those Office PWAs were there. so the problem occurs on 20H2 as well

          • This reply was modified 1 hour, 27 minutes ago by EP.
      • #2305651 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus
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