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      • #1861405 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        Earlier today, Microsoft released KB 4501375, which brings Win10 1903 up to build 18362.207. As usual, the second monthly cumulative update is conside
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      • #1861421 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        For us – besides being not declared business ready of course – the dissappearing update-settings are a clear no go for 1903. Sadly enough though, a gloomy message appeared this week at the update-panel. It states our machines are running a version of Windows 10 (1803) that very soon will run out of support and needs to be updated. Running Pro at the semi annual channel with 365 days deferral for feature updates. So guess we will soon be pushed to 1903 unfortunately. That would mean the end of using Windows as main workstations here, but so be it. Better switch now then run into deep trouble in the totally unpredictable and unprofessional world of Windows 10. :-/

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        • #1861448 Reply
          mn–
          AskWoody Lounger

          It states our machines are running a version of Windows 10 (1803) that very soon will run out of support and needs to be updated

          Yeah, funny how some systems still haven’t been offered anything newer than 1803… like that one brand new laptop I just unboxed last week, even with repeated bouncing on the seeker button with deferrals at 0.

          I mean, would asking for some consistency be too much, really…?

        • #1861498 Reply
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          So guess we will soon be pushed to 1903 unfortunately.

          You don’t need to. Just update to 1809 and get some breathing air until EOL May 11, 2021.

          https://www.askwoody.com/2019/if-youre-running-win10-pro-1803-and-you-want-to-move-to-1809-so-you-dont-get-pushed-to-1903-theres-good-news/

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        • #1861508 Reply
          doriel
          AskWoody Lounger

          I somehow really do not understand, what that “end of support” means. Does it mean, that you wont flooded with updates? Will MS Defender be updated after support period ends?
          -see screenshot e-o-l.jpg

          If it means, that there will be no more updates for 1803 and defender’s virus definitions will be updated anyway, I am willing to take the risk.

          Maybe vanishing updates is not bug, but new feature – you set it once, you set it foreva.
          But still, this setiings can be done manually by group politics in “gpedit.msc”

          Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update

          – see screenshot defer.jpg

          My WSUS is doing great job, blocking all I say to block 🙂
          Some more settings are done in “regedit” too..

          HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\
          Windows\WindowsUpdate

          -see screenshot wsus.jpg (my situation)
          -see screenshot how-to.jpg – manually enter these values to defer updates

          I think its not fair to force people to mess with their computers like Microsoft does. The number of bugs in this hlaf-baked OS is increasing and users are experiencing freezed computers, lost data and serious breakdowns during updates. I know its not easy to create OS, all credits to Microsoft for their hard work, but nobody wanted this chaos or update every week.. They chose themself. It looks good on paper, but reality is much much worse.

          Dell Latitude E6530, Intel Core i5 @ 2.6 GHz, 4GB RAM, WX 1809 Enterprise

          HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

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          • #1861894 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            The general idea was here to skip 1809, but Microsoft seems to not appreciate that very much. Oh well, the first Mac’s are happily running here, along with some test Linux Mint machines. Especially the Mac’s are a revelation, no more update- and upgrade stress. Linux Mint is also fine, but has the disadvantage of not being able to run MS Office. The big question now is: do we REALLY need that, or will Libre Office be a good replacement on those machines? For now it looks ok, but we might run into problems. The future will tell. For sure is though, that Windows is on it’s final way out here. Really way too much troubles and wasted time since version 10. Maybe nice for some home users and gamers, but it’s not designed for professional use. Neither are the useless forced upgrades that besides lost time only at simplistic features that for no other modern OS would require a reinstall.

          • #1864989 Reply
            Alex5723
            AskWoody Plus

            I somehow really do not understand, what that “end of support” means. Does it mean, that you wont flooded with updates? Will MS Defender be updated after support period ends?

            Yes, both security updates and Defender updates will cease.

      • #1861449 Reply
        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        As i saw someone theory, i think the vanishing deferral settings might be related to the removal of semi-annual channel (targeted)

        maybe some programming contradiction

        even in group policy, we get the option to choose between “Semi-Annual Channel” and “Semi-Annual Channel (Targeted) for 1809 and below (Deprecated)”
        but under the hood, both options refrence the same registry value

        "BranchReadinessLevel"=dword:00000010

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      • #1861505 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        but the vanishing Update advanced options remains a mystery

        I think the it won’t come back as it is a deliberate move by Microsoft to force updates/upgrades.

        • #1861556 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          The settings will re-appear if you edit their corresponding registry values back to zero. If you are on 1903 and aren’t getting the June update, set Feature Update Deferral to zero (temporarily) and then re-check updates.

          • #1861561 Reply
            PKCano
            Da Boss

            This doesn’t work unless you want all zero values.
            As soon as you change the value to non-zero, they disappear again.

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      • #1861530 Reply
        Fred
        AskWoody Plus

        Windows 10 v.1803 (home) gets another cumulative update dd.june 26,  kb4497398 ; updates to build.17134.860
        I don’t have a clue what exactly is patched, that is still very secret,
        this update was not offered by windows itself, but I had strange memory problems with my screen & background apps……    these problems seems to be better after the uodate
        or is that wishfull thinking?

        After all.. Just because we're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get us.
        • #1863303 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          KB 4509478–  the third June cumulative update for Win10 1809, released last Wednesday June 26 – is a “silver bullet” patch. It only exists to fix the bug introduced in the May third-monthly cumulative update, and continuing in the June first and second cumulative updates (got that?), which screwed up iSCSI on some machines.

          This appears to be the same bug I warned about on June 19, which Dell announced – and Microsoft hadn’t acknowledged until very recently.

          Looks like 1703, 1709, 1803 and 1809 all got the same silver bullet patch. See @Alex5723’s post.

      • #1861534 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Windows 10 v.1803 (home) gets another cumulative update dd.june 26,  kb4497398 ; updates to build.17134.860
        I don’t have a clue what exactly is patched, that is still very secret,
        this update was not offered by windows itself, but I had strange memory problems with my screen & background apps……    these problems seems to be better after the uodate
        or is that wishfull thinking?

        Microsoft patches older versions of Windows 10 with a single fix

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      • #1861635 Reply
        glnz
        AskWoody Plus

        I have 1903.  Has anyone tried KB 4501375?  Does it impair your PC?

        (I understand it fixes the Event Viewer problem and would like to fix that at least.)

        Thanks.

        • #1861827 Reply
          Barry
          AskWoody Plus

          I have 1903.  Has anyone tried KB 4501375?  Does it impair your PC?

          (I understand it fixes the Event Viewer problem and would like to fix that at least.)

          Thanks.

          I installed it yesterday(i had to manually install the SSU update) No apparent problems.

          Barry (Seeker)
          Windows 10 Home V 1909

        • #1863134 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          I installed it on a clean 1903 install.

          I noticed that after this update, when viewing CPU frequencies using HWMonitor, HWInfo, or CPU-z, the bus speeds seem to decrease from 100Mhz to ~97-98Mhz.  Thus, my min and max CPU frequencies (previously 800Mhz to 4300 Mhz) now decreased to 792Mhz to 4290Mhz.

      • #1861638 Reply
        MikeMc
        AskWoody Lounger

        It appears that Microsoft’s update system is messed up. I recently did a fresh install of 1809 on most of my computers. On two of them, a laptop and a tablet, the Store app downloads 12-15 updates whenever I do a check. After the apps are download and ‘installed’, the Recent Actively show no changes. Sounds just like 1903’s Windows Update system.

        It appears that Microsoft is no longer capable of looking at your system’s installed software and then providing the necessary updates. Perhaps it’s time for someone at Microsoft to find a new…

      • #1861639 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        FWIW, I’m on Win 10 1903 Home. This morning I got the .NET cumulative update automatically and got the option to download and install the 1903 cumulative update. After the install and restart, I checked the updates menu again and saw that the 1903 cumulative update was listed again as an optional download and install. After some cursing that this would be three months straight having to install the cumulative update twice, I clicked download and install and after a brief checking for updates, it said I was up to date. So it didn’t install twice although it appeared as an optional update twice.

        I’ve been on 1903 for two weeks and haven’t noticed any issues and so far no issues with the cumulative update other than it being offered twice, but thankfully only installed once.

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        • #1861707 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          replying to: anonymous = FWIW

          The exact same thing and same sequence happened to me as well. I also am still having no problems with 1903 (now build xxxxx.207) and first installed it on 06/09/2019. And I never click on “Check for Updates” and have nothing deferred. I also am not an “insider” nor a “seeker.” Keeping my fingers crossed.

      • #1861786 Reply
        CraigS26
        AskWoody Plus

        FWIW, I’m on Win 10 1903 Home. This morning I got the .NET cumulative update automatically and got the option to download and install the 1903 cumulative update. After the install and restart, I checked the updates menu again and saw that the 1903 cumulative update was listed again as an optional download and install. After some cursing that this would be three months straight having to install the cumulative update twice, I clicked download and install and after a brief checking for updates, it said I was up to date. So it didn’t install twice although it appeared as an optional update twice.

        I’ve been on 1903 for two weeks and haven’t noticed any issues and so far no issues with the cumulative update other than it being offered twice, but thankfully only installed once.

        I can confirm a 2nd offering of KB4501375 AFTER its Install and Re-Start — and Clk’ing Chk for Updates netted “You’re Up to date” and no 2nd download. I had a 1st attempt Install  problem WU acknowledged with an Update Page Notice and a suggested Re-Start spinning-arrow lasted so long I did a hard Power Off and tried again successfully on 2nd attempt.

        I inst’d the 6/27 “1903” Svc Stack manually as suggested (& 4.8 Net Frmwk WU offered) yesterday. KB4501375 appeared as Pending Dnload when I clk’d Update & Security today.

        W10-64 1909 Home / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy i5-8400/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / InSpectre #8 = GREEN

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      • #1862222 Reply
        John
        AskWoody Lounger

        I don’t place much faith in Windows anymore, Microsoft pretty much deems it a legacy platform they reluctantly have to continue to maintain and support. They basically have removed themselves from even talking about Windows anymore which is the writing on the wall. When I get cumulative updates and feature updates I just cross fingers and hope for the best these days.

      • #1862224 Reply
        CraigS26
        AskWoody Plus

        gHacks Martin B on 6/27: [ KB4501375 is – considered a – Preview Update – , not a final update. It should Not be installed on production machines but is suitable for testing purposes.

        Woody 6/27: [ You’ll only get this patch if you click “Check for updates” (which, of course, you never do), or if you download and install it manually. If you do install it manually, be sure to first install the new Servicing Stack Update, KB 4506933.]

        Per (2) anonymous 6/28  12:20 & 1:32  & Me —- On 6/28 IT WAS THERE as – Pending Download – when I clk’d the – Update & Security – Page, so – does MS show “Preview” Updates as a Pending Dnload – OR – might the Status have changed in one day? Confused…..

        W10-64 1909 Home / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy i5-8400/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / InSpectre #8 = GREEN

        • #1862245 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          With Home Edition, you should be using Metered Connections and wushowhide to stop the download/install. That is your only defense unless you use a third-party Update blocker.

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      • #1862283 Reply
        CraigS26
        AskWoody Plus

        With Home Edition, you should be using Metered Connections and wushowhide to stop the download/install. That is your only defense unless you use a third-party Update blocker.

        With Macrium images I haven’t backed-off from W10 Updates since Feb new HP and haven’t had but the one issue where (2 ) 6/28 Cum Update Install attempts were requd.

        I’m just trying to clarify IF the Pending Cum Update I saw / Inst’d yesterday was Still the Preview – I would expect MS to show a “Release” Update as Pending, Not “Preview”. Remember, I just clk’d Updates & Security, Not Chk For, and There it was – and for the (2) anonymous post-ers I ref’d, too..

        W10-64 1909 Home / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy i5-8400/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / InSpectre #8 = GREEN

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        • #1862294 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Cumulative Updates released on Patch Tuesday (2nd Tues = B  week) are Security updates. Anything released on C, D, or E (or even A) week is a non-Security patch, in other words, a Preview.

          These are not usually pushed through Windows Update and are usually manual download/install (or thrrough WSUS for businesses) for testing purposes. Or they are intentionally sought after by “Seekers” clicking on “Check for updates’.” The non-Security patches are rolled into the next month’s Patch Tues Security update.

          However, with Microsoft, these days, who knows anymore.

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      • #1862358 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Replying to PJCano:

        The point is that both he and we (the two anon’s) were offered the updates in question WITHOUT clicking on “Check for Updates.” They were already there when navigating to the Windows Update page. Sometimes, with version 1903, just pulling up that page automatically initiates “Check for Updates” without even clicking on the square. When I first navigated to the update and security page after booting up my laptop, the dot net update and the preview cumulative update were already referenced and highlighted, the first one ready for download and the second one asking to be downloaded and installed. Since this laptop never has any issues or problems with Windows 10 versions, upgrades, or updates, and since it is basically a spare pc for me (my other laptop and two desktops all run Windows 7 x64 sp1 fully updated), I just go ahead and act as the guinea pig, while keeping strategically timed Macrium images along the way. So far, no problems (fingers crossed).

        HP-Omen 7th Generation Intel Core i7 7700HQ w/128 Gb Sandisk SSD 8 Gb RAM and 1 Tb fixed disk for data, and Windows 10 Home (originally version 1709 factory install). No servers, no gaming, no Office.

        • #1862363 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          the dot net update and the preview cumulative update were already referenced and highlighted, the first one ready for download and the second one asking to be downloaded and installed

          This is not clear to me.

          Usually with Home Edition, updates don’t sit there ready for download (and not downloading) unless you have Metered connections. set. For the first one you mentioned (referenced and highlighted, ready for download), did you turn off metered connections to initiate download?

          And in Home, updates don’t “ask to be downloaded and installed” unless they are in the new section of updates listing available updates. Was the second update thus waiting, in the new “downlosd and install now” section and you had to agree to download and install?

          If these two cases are true, that is a lot different than the updates being force installed on your PC. You would have to have made changes to allow the installation. Is that the case?

          • #1862439 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            Replying to PKCano (got it right this time):

            I have never had metered connections set, have no reason to do so. This laptop works just fine with every version of Windows 10, beginning with 1709, which it came with brand new. The dot-Net cumulative update was already waiting for me to click on the download square when I navigated to the update page and without clicking on “check for updates.” The second update, the cumulative (preview) update was listed underneath or below the first with, as you say, the words suggesting that I “download and install now.” I clicked on download for the first update; and it downloaded and installed and then required a reboot to finish. When I returned to the update page, the cumulative preview update still said “download and install now.” I clicked on the square and it downloaded and installed and required a reboot to finish. I haven’t changed anything in version 1903 since it was installed on 6/9/2019 and have never clicked on “check for updates” and have never had metered connections set, nor am I a “seeker” or an “insider.” This is just the way version 1903 has been working since it was installed; and I didn’t click on “check for updates” to get it, either. It was just offered on 1809  on June 9th without doing anything to prompt it. These are all Home editions of Windows 10.

             

          • #1863347 Reply
            abbodi86
            AskWoody_MVP

            @PKCano

            Based on my tests with UUP dump api, KB4501375 (18362.207) behave exactly like how the Feature Update behave on 1809 and 1803 (i.e. “download and install now.” behavior)

            meaning, it will be bundled and offered as secondary update (without seeking) with any available update (or probably just the latest general CU or .NET CU)
            https://uupdump.ml/fetchupd.php?arch=x86&ring=retail&build=18362.1&sku=48

            unfortunately, UUP api cannot handle or recognize .NET updates, otherwise i would be able to verify if KB4502584 is offered with seeking or not

            that being said, defering Feature Updates (even for 1 day) will make KB4501375 (18362.207) goes away

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      • #1863160 Reply
        kwerboom
        AskWoody Lounger

        On Friday (06/28), I updated from 1803 to 1903 and set the delay for Features to 60 days and Quality to 5 days. When I restarted my machine later on, the “Choose when updates are installed” area was gone. So, um, how do I get that area back and when is Microsoft going to fix this bug?

        • #1863173 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          We’ve been discussing the disappearing deferral settings in 1903 Windows Update Advanced settings since v1903 was issued.

          Microsoft has not recognized it as yet, and no one knows if it’s intended or if it’s a bug. It’s too early to move to v1903.

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          • #1863998 Reply
            kwerboom
            AskWoody Lounger

            Well, I for one hope it isn’t intended. Overall and aside from this one bug, 1903 has been pretty good for me.

      • #1863213 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Windows 10 Pro 1803, 2 machines, one originally Windows 8 Pro, the other always 10 but pre 1803. Both have been set to defer updates for a long time: features 365, quality 30 days. Altered both to 0 in both machines, then upgraded both machines to 1903. Both still showing both defer updates; [happy]; on both machines set features to 30, left quality at 0; did a few Check for updates and it did a few updates. At some time after that and the next day or so, the defer updates had vanished. To say it again, after upgrade to 1903 defer updates was present, but after a while it vanished.    On an earlier third 1803 pro machine where I neglected to alter 365 and 30 to 0 and 0 before upgrading to 1903, the vanishing also occurred, BUT I did see them non-vanished, only for just a short while (minutes) right after the final automatic boot during 1903 upgrade but before the upgrading had fully completed its work – in this instance I’m reasonably sure they vanished without me having done Check for updates; on this third machine, at first I thought maybe I had imagined I’d seen the defer updates settings were still exposed, and was quite messed up mentally [not to mention angry] when they went away all by themselves.

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        • #1863323 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          I’m thinking of giving the weird 1903 update deferral behavior a “Harebrained Design” award.

          Reminds me a lot of the option in earlier versions of Windows to set a connection as “Public” – you got one chance and after that you had to move heaven and earth to change it.

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      • #1863414 Reply
        NeoBeum
        AskWoody Lounger

        That Update Screen is useless anyhow – as it only allows 35 days.

        Use the registry … I haven’t updated in over 2 months…
        WinblowsUpdate

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        NeoBeum
        AskWoody Lounger

        It gets better…
        LizardQueen

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          Microfix
          Da Boss

          Welcome @NeoBeum, interesting..for the benefit/ curiousity of readers, how does one achieve what you have posted for paused updates?
          Registry settings are?

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        • #1864322 Reply
          abbodi86
          AskWoody_MVP

          Such bragging is the same as trolling

          are you shewolf from MDL forums? 😀

      • #1864301 Reply
        cptomes
        AskWoody Plus

        The general idea was here to skip 1809, but Microsoft seems to not appreciate that very much. Oh well, the first Mac’s are happily running here, along with some test Linux Mint machines. Especially the Mac’s are a revelation, no more update- and upgrade stress. Linux Mint is also fine, but has the disadvantage of not being able to run MS Office. The big question now is: do we REALLY need that, or will Libre Office be a good replacement on those machines? For now it looks ok, but we might run into problems. The future will tell. For sure is though, that Windows is on it’s final way out here. Really way too much troubles and wasted time since version 10. Maybe nice for some home users and gamers, but it’s not designed for professional use. Neither are the useless forced upgrades that besides lost time only at simplistic features that for no other modern OS would require a reinstall.

        I prefer OpenOffice.  I walked away from M$ torture chamber in 2007 and went all Mac at home and professionally, became a Mac technician.  Then got sucked back into the swirling toilet bowl of M$ updates in 2017.  Thought 1709 then 1803 were heading back in the direction of nt4/win2k then 1809 fiasco happened.  I have no confidence in M$.  The only bright spot is that apparently Feature Updates now require a deliberate click on a new separate button in Windows Updates even on Home 1809.  I hope this isn’t one step forward, two steps back.

         

        In the meantime, my 10.11 13″ jelly bean macbook and 10.12 17″ mbp continue to soldier on…

        Hey look! Another Feature Update!

        You mean I shouldn't click Check for Updates?

        Why does it keep saying "Something Happened"?

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