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    ISSUE 20.08 • 2023-02-20 PATCH WATCH By Susan Bradley Not feeling the love from Microsoft this month? That might be because the company is saying good
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    • #2535933

      I moved on from IE to Edge years ago.

    • #2535975

      As I recall, IE was entirely removed from W10 starting with version 21H2? I did a new install of W10 Pro 21H2 using media creation tool and believe IE was gone already. That was back in March 2022, but that would imply this update does not affect my system? Any thoughts are appreciated.

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    • #2536018

      Is there any way to get rid of Edge?  It causes constant problems on my computer.  Every time I need to use Adobe Acrobat, Edge tries to take over and I have to  use “open with” to get Acrobat.  I’ve edited the registry, reinstalled Acrobat and done everything else I can but Edge takes over every single time I close Acrobat.  It’s the most annoying thing since I use Acrobat daily and don’t want Edge involved.

      Thanks

      • #2536032

        We have been able to remove Edge from Windows PCs using the free version of Revo Uninstaller.

        https://www.revouninstaller.com/products/revo-uninstaller-free/

         

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        • #2536440

          Thankyou. How did you keep it from returning from the automatic install microsoft does?

          * _ the metaverse is poisonous _ *
          • #2536508

            Fred

            If Edge shows up again, we remove it with Revo Uninstaller.

            Consistent with our approach to computer management –  Keep It Simple.

            • #2536822

              If Edge shows up again, we remove it with Revo Uninstaller.

              Same here.  Edge or WebView2 or both seem to get re-installed with cumulative updates.  After every Update Tuesday I launch Revo Uninstaller as a quick check.  If it’s there, I make it gone.

              Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
              We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do. We don't all have to do the same things.

          • #2536831

            Fred, after tandem W10 comparison with the MS catalog and WU (using WUMgr) methods, the catalog method wins here, once CU is downloaded, update OFFLINE for no chredge reintroduction 😉

            Keep IT Lean, Clean and Mean!
      • #2536351

        You might try to check your “default programs” to see if Edge is the default program to open .PDF files. Go into control panel  and select default programs to designate Adobe Acrobat Reader as the program to use to open .PDF files. I suspect this will address your issue with Edge being used to read and/or print this file type. Hope this helps you out.

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        • #2536832

          exactly, all defaults need changed to preferred alternative browser PRIOR to running scripts/batch files to remove Chredge, otherwise you may run into file association issues later on..

          Keep IT Lean, Clean and Mean!
    • #2536033

      If you don’t want to update to Ventura 13.2.1 yet, you can update your Safari browser to 16.3.1.

      Just a heads up: although the latest Safari version is listed as 16.3.1 on some MacOS versions, Apple didn’t change the version number for all MacOS versions and it still appears as 16.3 on some. Check your Safari build number:

      “After installing this update, the build number for Safari 16.3 is 16614.4.6.11.6 on macOS Big Sur and 17614.4.6.11.6 on macOS Monterey.”

      https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213638

    • #2536194

      ….review your settings for uBlock Origin; consider the addition of custom filters such as Hide Youtube shorts, and consider blocking remote fonts (which will speed up your browsing).

      I use uBlock Origin and appreciated Susan’s suggestions.  However, I found  that enabling  “block remote fonts” caused a serious display issue in my Google Calendar in chromium based Brave browser which is my primary browser.  uBlock flags this as a possible issue and allows the “block remote fonts” setting on a site by site basis.  I haven’t set this up yet, but will.

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    • #2536376

      Also chromium browsers no longer update on Win 8.1, but Mozilla doesn’t seem to have a problem.

    • #2536775

      MS employees=************** (fill in with the nasty word you can think off).
      They have no clue what issues they causes for businesses this months. Many are still using IE11. Edge with IE11 mode does NOT WORK. They are clueless how businesses operated. Our helpdesk has been flowed with tickets. On our system, it was blocked for the few Windows 10 Enterprise but those using on their Windows 10 got mess up with MS update.  Luck we are still using Windows 7 on most of our systems. There is no worries about IE11 being mess up by MS. Time to deal with the next ticket for this well I am on my lunch break…..100+ more tickets to go…..

    • #2536780

      THX for the input; I suppose technically IE is still on my system in that I can locate IE in Windows accessories. However, if I launch IE it does not load and a screen for Edge immediately opens which will only allow me to load Edge. I currently am running W10 Pro 22H2 but as I recall this was the case when I upgraded to version 21H2.

      MS is redirecting IE to Edge. IE is deeply embedded in the OS. Even Windows 11 had IE11 but it is hidden from most users. This is why MS does not rewrite code but reuses it since they are very lazy people.

    • #2536808

      Edge with IE11 mode does NOT WORK.

      It doesn’t work is not a description of your problem. Please provide a description of your problem.

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      • #2536824

        It doesn’t work is not a description of your problem. Please provide a description of your problem.

        Luck we are still using Windows 7 on most of our systems. There is no worries about IE11 being mess up by MS. Time to deal with the next ticket for this well I am on my lunch break…..100+ more tickets to go…..

        I get the impression that he is in IT, is already successfully dealing with the problem, and not specifically asking for help.

        Edge with IE11 mode does NOT WORK.

        Indicates that in his business’s software environment, they are using a tightly locked down version of IE (the mining company I retired from did the same) and the update pooched it.  In my old company, company wide announcements or news items of note would arrive as an attachment in email which opened in IE like a YouTube video.

        It has ~13,000 employees and  ~5,000 of them have PC’s.  The company stayed with Windows 7 Enterprise until 2021 when they went to Windows 10 Enterprise.  I retired before then, but I would not be in least surprised that they are still using IE.  The IT department pushes updates (mostly for proprietary software) on occasion on the weekend.  I’m relatively certain that they didn’t get bothered by this IE thing.

        Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
        We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do. We don't all have to do the same things.

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    • #2536893

      Time to deal with the next ticket for this well I am on my lunch break…..100+ more tickets to go…..

      Wow you are allowed lunch break. This mess up from MS has made our boss make us work 14+hours and no lunch break and only 5 min bath breaks. Plus we have over 7000 tickets in our queue to clear at the moment. All together had 10,000 for IE11 issues before we were forced to work to clear them plus dealing with other tickets not related to this issues. (IE forgotten password, disconnect USB and mouse not working, printing issues etc). There was email sent to employees months ago but none of them understand the impact. MS employees should be layoff for causing this massacre of problem. They work without real work experience.

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      • #2536919

        This smells of a lack of planning and testing causing unnecessary work for support and headache for the users.

        No way I would work a 14 hour day and miss breaks. Nobody performs well under those circumstances and mistakes happen. Go home at the correct time and come back rested and refreshed. A healthy, less stressed workforce is more productive and responsive.

        cheers, Paul

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        • #2537010

          Go home at the correct time and come back rested and refreshed.

          Easy to say when it’s not your job on the line.  Back in my working days I put in many a 14+ hour day.  “Go home at the correct time.” would mean “Don’t come back.  You can be replaced.”  And I worked as a salaried employee for a Fortune 500 company.

          Hourly employees had a union, which also meant that they had a contract.  “Go home at the correct time.” without proper relief would mean termination.

          Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
          We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do. We don't all have to do the same things.

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    • #2536976

      I have removed:

      • Microsoft Edge
      • Microsoft Edge Webview2 Runtime

      multiple times using Revo Uninstaller and they always return. Until I can figure out a way to permanently uninstall these two Microsoft programs, they will remain in place and largely ignored.

      edge10

      Carpe Diem {with backup and coffee}
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      offline▸ Acer TravelMate P215-52 RAM8GB Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1265 x64 i5-10210U SSD Firefox106.0 MicrosoftDefender
      online▸ Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1413 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox112.0b3 MicrosoftDefender
    • #2537089

      Some of the internal intranet sites on my job require IE; they don’t work correctly with Edge. So we are instructed to access them using Edge in Internet Explorer mode. So far, no problem with these sites using Edge in IE mode as opposed to using Internet Explorer itself, except that about once a month I have to tell Edge again to access those sites using IE mode.

      I’m not a complete fan of Edge. Sometimes Edge has multiple instances running in the background, and some of those instances use a lot of resources. I discovered this when my wife’s laptop was running really slow. I opened Task Manager and found several instances of Edge running. I killed the ones that were using lots of resources (it wouldn’t let me kill them all), and then after doing that, the computer ran fast. So apparently Edge does poorly with its internal housekeeping.

      Group "L" (Linux Mint)
      with Windows 8.1 running in a VM
      • #2537158

        Sometimes Edge has multiple instances running in the background, and some of those instances use a lot of resources.

        From   edge://settings/system   you can turn off the “Continue running background extensions and apps when Microsoft Edge is closed” setting.

        There is also an ” Turn on efficiency mode” option that might help.

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    • #2537619

      Microsoft Edge was reinstalled when I booted my Windows 10 workstation this morning,

      Am in the process of removing it again using Revo Uninstaller.

      I discovered its presence when I ran CCleaner, Custom Clean a little while ago. CCleaner identified a a large number of Edge related files.

      • #2537630

        Am in the process of removing it again using Revo Uninstaller.

        Revo Uninstaller doesn’t quite get it all, like the folder and subfolders in C:\Program Files (x86).  After my last round of uninstalling Edge, I also manually deleted those folders.  In addition, I opened Services.msc—Run as administrator, scrolled down to

        Microsoft Edge Update Service (edgeupdate)
        Microsoft Edge Update Service (edgeupdatem)

        and disabled those services.  I’ll have to wait until the next Update Tuesday to see if that works, and I’ll update after that time.

        Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
        We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do. We don't all have to do the same things.

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        • #2541033

          Microsoft Edge also has hooks in Windows Apps.

          Carpe Diem {with backup and coffee}
          offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender
          offline▸ Acer TravelMate P215-52 RAM8GB Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1265 x64 i5-10210U SSD Firefox106.0 MicrosoftDefender
          online▸ Win11Pro 22H2.22621.1413 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox112.0b3 MicrosoftDefender
    • #2537790

      Thanks much Susan for the heads up on the script for blocking YouTube shorts with uBlock Origin. They were really starting to annoy me. And Google has already disabled MV2 extensions on it sites, so ad blockers won’t hide any of Google’s annoyances anymore, like you could hide before, search suggestions with an ad blocker element picker. So now it is scripts or nothing.

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