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      • #1914912 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        Bear with me here…. Microsoft screwed up all of the Windows patches this month, clobbering VisualBasic, VBA and VBScript. You know that. It has slow
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      • #1914954 Reply
        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        My WSUS server points to detection issues that needed a metadata fix.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #1914994 Reply
        Mr. Natural
        AskWoody Plus

        I wonder if this has anything to do with the release I just read a few days ago about Microsoft now using Dynamics 365 to push Windows Updates.

        https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-is-using-dynamics-365-to-manage-windows-update-releases/

        Have they abandoned human testing again?

        Red Ruffnsore reporting from the front lines.

      • #1915005 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        Confirming that all of the files inside the download are dated 8/15. That’s not definitive, but it’s highly indicative of metadata changes.

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      • #1915038 Reply
        pmcjr6142
        AskWoody Plus

        This is not one of the two August security updates I’m waiting for the OK to install and it apparently wasn’t an Optional update that I’ve hidden and I don’t see where I’ve installed it in July or earlier.  Who was supposed to get this via Windows Update?  I don’t have it yet.

        • #1915048 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          KB4517297 is a MS Catalog download only and is not delivered through Windows Update. No one gets it through Windows Update.

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      • #1915043 Reply
        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        Catalog dates and metadata revisions can be deceptive, don’t get too attached to it 🙂

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      • #1915095 Reply
        GoneToPlaid
        AskWoody Plus

        The CRCs for the 2019-08-16 windows6.1-kb4517297-x64.msu and for the 2019-08-21 windows6.1-kb4517297-x64.msu are the same. It appears that MS has now made kb4517297 searchable in the Windows Update Catalog? I recall that the link for kb4517297 was different back on August 16 when the kb article was originally published.

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      • #1915526 Reply
        PerthMike
        AskWoody Plus

        Just a quick check, since I hadn’t seen an announcement about this.

        Is the Master Patch List supposed to be behind the Askwoody Plus paywall now?

         

        No matter where you go, there you are.

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      • #1916766 Reply
        plodr
        AskWoody Plus

        Source: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4517297/windows-7-update-kb4517297

        scroll down to notes. Since this “fix” contains all the quality and security changes in KB4512486 (released August 16, 2019), those of us installing only security updates might not want this patch. Or did I miss something?

        I did not do the July security patch so perhaps I’ll skip the August security patch. End result: no telemetry and no broken VB6, VBA, and VBscript.

        Got coffee?

        • This reply was modified 9 months, 1 week ago by plodr. Reason: spelling
        • #1916773 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          The Aug. 2019 Security-only patches KB4512486 and KB4517297 DO NOT contain telemetry.
          KB4517297 fixes the VB problems caused by KB4512486.

      • #1916980 Reply
        plodr
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m aware that the August Security only patch, 4512486 doesn’t contain telemetry. I followed that thread closely and was prepared to ask just that question if I didn’t find an answer. Thankfully, someone asked it and it was answered.

        My question is, why does the fix say it contains all quality and security changes for a Security only patch? What sort of quality items are in a patch that is purported to be only security?

        4512486 for x64 is 42.2MB It is a Security only patch.

        4517297 for x64 is 42.2MB It is listed as a non-security patch.

        Then to add to the confusion, MS says on the same link that I posted above (#1916766)

        While it does not replace KB4512486 on Windows Update, if you install this update you do not need to install KB4512486.

        So we have a non-security patch replacing a Security only patch. I think I’ll wait for further clarification.

         

        Got coffee?

        • This reply was modified 9 months, 1 week ago by plodr.
        • #1916997 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          I think I’ll wait for further clarification.

          And who or what is going to give you the clarification that you will believe?

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        • #1917052 Reply
          abbodi86
          AskWoody_MVP

          quality is just a generic phrase

          that level of suspiciously is too much 🙂

        • #1917068 Reply
          GoneToPlaid
          AskWoody Plus

          Hi plodr,

          Sometimes Microsoft’s knowledge base articles can be really confusing to read. KB4512486 is the August Security Only update for Windows 7. This Security Only update broke Visual Basic and VBscript programs which used simple methods to create arrays which were completely empty.

          KB451297 does only one thing. It simply fixes what Microsoft broke in the KB451486 SO with regards the empty array issue in Visual Basic and VBscript programs. Microsoft didn’t choose to call KB451297 a Security Only update since it does not offer any new security features. Instead, KB451297 simply fixes the Visual Basic and VBscript issue which Microsoft created in the KB451486 Security Only update.

          I am on Group B. I have already installed KB451297 to fix the botched Security Only update KB451486.

          Below, I have marked with ** the updates which are replaced when the KB4512486 Security Only update is installed, and similarly marked with ** the same updates which are once again replaced when KB451297 is installed to fix the Visual Basic and VBscript issues.

          2019-08 Security Only Quality Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4512486)
          Last Modified: 8/10/2019
          Size: 42.2 MB
          This update replaces the following updates:
          2017-11 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4055038) **
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2676562)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2957189)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2993651)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3033889)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3069762)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3075222)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3087039)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3126446)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3145739)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3146706)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3153171)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3153199)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3156013)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3161561)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3161664)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3164033)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3164035)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3167679)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3175024)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3177186)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3177725)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3178034)
          Security Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3184122)
          Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2563227) **
          Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2732487) **
          Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2763523) **
          Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3138901) **
          Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3156417) **
          Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3187022) **

          2019-08 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4517297)
          Last Modified: 8/21/2019
          Size: 42.2 MB
          This update replaces the following updates:
          2017-11 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4055038) **
          Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2563227) **
          Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2732487) **
          Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2763523) **
          Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3138901) **
          Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3156417) **
          Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3187022) **

          Best regards,

          –GTP

           

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      • #1918364 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Not sure if this question belongs here, but I’ve tried downloading/install the KB4517297 patch roughly 5 times (both from the Group B post and from the catalog), and each time it gives me a failed to install error message “80092004”. Is there any other way that it can be uploaded or to fix the issue so that it can be uploaded?

        • #1918402 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Please check your system and be sure KB4490628 (March Servicing Stack) and KB4474419 (SHA-2 update dated 8/12/19) are installed on your system before installing KB4517297.

          For reference see this article on ghacks.net

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          • #1919661 Reply
            M. Patterson
            AskWoody Lounger

            Please check your system and be sure KB4490628 (March Servicing Stack) and KB4474419 (SHA-2 update dated 8/12/19) are installed on your system before installing KB4517297.

            For reference see this article on ghacks.net

            Thanks for that advice.  Both of my computers failed updates at the download stage for the last two weeks.  I followed your link to the service stack update, and all is well.

      • #1922050 Reply
        plodr
        AskWoody Plus

        I just wanted to report back that despite still being at 2 for patching, I installed KB4512486 and KB4511872 on our four Windows 7 computers with no ill effects as far as I can determine.

        I made an image of all on 14 August so I could always restore that if things went weird.

        The computers are 32 bit Pro and 32 bit and two-64 bit Home.

        4512486 paused a long time, I’d guess more than 5 minutes before anything happened with installing update. I thought perhaps it would refuse to install. In fact, it did on the 32 bit Pro. I tried it a 2nd time and it installed. I checked history and it is there. So, be patient when installing 4512486. It will look like nothing is happening but eventually it installs.

        Got coffee?

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