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      • #2021590 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        Sort of. Microsoft’s Joe Lurie posted on the Tech Community forum yesterday: We have been communicating ESU since last May with constant blogs, announ
        [See the full post at: Microsoft says it’ll sell Win7 Extended Security Updates to Ultimate users]

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      • #2021596 Reply
        Seff
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m following Susan’s efforts with interest, but the sad truth is that as a home user with two desktops, even if the option was there I’m not sure I’m prepared to pay an annual subscription  for 12 opportunities for Microsoft to break my machines!

        The alternatives not being appropriate or of interest to me, I’m resigned to upgrading my machines to Windows 10 one at a time after Christmas. I’m beginning to delve more deeply into a book on Windows 10 that I was given last Christmas, can’t think who wrote it ;).

        Do we have an article or discussion anywhere here or does anyone know of a simple guide to the best way to implement the upgrade these days and in particular any tips on pitfalls to avoid? No need to mention backing up! Thanks.

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      • #2021598 Reply
        Pim
        AskWoody Plus

        If MS had just said months ago that Ultimate would be supported, it would have saved me (and presumably many others) a lot of stress. But then again, MS mainly (only?) thinks about big businesses.

        ASRock Beebox J3160 - Win7 Ultimate x64
        Asus VivoPC VC62B - Win7 Ultimate x64
        Dell Latitude E6430 - Win7 Ultimate x64
        Dell Latitude XT3 - Vista Ultimate x86 (still...)
        Gigabyte GA-H110M-HD3 DDR3 - Win10 Pro 1809 x64

      • #2021629 Reply
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        abbodi86 made this comment a few days ago (and I made a follow up comment)

        will Win7 ESUs also cover “Ultimate N” and “Ultimate E” editions?

        • This reply was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by EP.
        • This reply was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by EP.
      • #2021642 Reply
        BKS_CB
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks for the update.

        What about ESU’s for Win 7 Pro users?  And, an ESU for Win Server 2008 R2 (SBS2011)?

        Would like to get through one more year.  Not affiliated with a volume license or cloud provider.

        Appreciated!

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        • #2021647 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Win7 Pro is eligible for the ESUs.
          You may have to go through Volume Licensing for Server 2008 R2. Susan should know the answer for that.

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        • #2021729 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          Susan here answering-for server you need software assurance

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      • #2021671 Reply
        BobT
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’d do it if it was security only.

        Ain’t taking their crapware on my machine with the rollups.

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      • #2021794 Reply
        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        Windows 7 Ultimate was mentioned as eligible in the very first ESU FAQ PDF
        https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/no-microsoft-has-not-confirmed-a-new-monthly-charge-for-win7/#post-345902
        Windows 7 and Office 2010 End of Support FAQ .pdf

        but it was neglected in the subsequent FAQs

      • #2021833 Reply

        I just guess I’ll wait for the step-by-step article from Susan on how we Win 7 Pro users should proceed, who to contact, etc.

        Ain’t hassling this a bear around the Holidays? Sure takes the shine off your shoes. I’m getting tired of MSFT’s horsing around about all this too.

        Win7 Pro SP1 64-bit, Dell Latitude E6330, Intel CORE i5 "Ivy Bridge", Group "Wait for the all-clear", Multiple Air-Gapped backup drives in different locations, "Don't check for updates-Full Manual Mode. ESU 1 yr."
        --
        "Just because you're an engineer doesn't mean you're good at everything." -Anonymous

      • #2021834 Reply

        I’d do it if it was security only.

        Ain’t taking their crapware on my machine with the rollups.

        If I am not greatly mistaken, ESU stands for Extended Security Updates. I assume (there’s that word again) that’s all we’d be getting for $61/yr, no additional crud.

        Win7 Pro SP1 64-bit, Dell Latitude E6330, Intel CORE i5 "Ivy Bridge", Group "Wait for the all-clear", Multiple Air-Gapped backup drives in different locations, "Don't check for updates-Full Manual Mode. ESU 1 yr."
        --
        "Just because you're an engineer doesn't mean you're good at everything." -Anonymous

        • #2021979 Reply
          Charlie
          AskWoody Plus

          Re: “that word” –  I try to never assume anything, especially in this day and age and if it’s MS.

          Win 7 Still Alive, x64, Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz, Linux Mint 19.1

        • #2021991 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          I think the ESU is going to be Rollups, most likely with telemetry.

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          • #2022038 Reply
            abbodi86
            AskWoody_MVP

            December Security Only KB4530692 include ExtendedSecurityUpdatesAI placeholder manifest

            this probably indicate ESUs will continue with dual Rollup/SO model

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            • #2036610 Reply
              abbodi86
              AskWoody_MVP

              I actually just noticed and checked, KB4530692 contain full support for ESU, including all the required licenses

              which means, you can use it instead the Rollup, if you wish to test ESU eligibility with KB4528069

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      • #2021846 Reply
        James Bond 007
        AskWoody Lounger

        So Microsoft admits that Windows 7 Ultimate users ARE eligible after all? That is news haha!

        I am watching Susan’s efforts, but personally I won’t be paying for this even if it were available to me, not to mention that it probably won’t be. Anyway, I will continue to use Windows 7 with or without additional security updates after January 2020, in virtual machines and on various computers, if necessary.

        As an example, my father has a piece of old hardware (a USB TV stick) that he wants to continue to use to watch and record TV programs on his computer. That TV stick is more than 10 years old having been bought in 2008 or 2009 (but still works) and there are no other comparable products that he can use. The TV stick only has drivers for Windows 7. In my tests the drivers refuse to install on Windows 8.1 and Windows 10, so he cannot move to Windows 8.1 or 10. I have also tested the stick in Windows 7 under VMware Workstation and although it sort of works, there are no sound and the TV display has random glitches. So at present he has no choice but to continue to use Windows 7 (and I don’t mind a bit).

        Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.

        • This reply was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by James Bond 007. Reason: Correction
      • #2021848 Reply
        Microfix
        Da Boss

        I just wonder what telemetry injections await Win7 ESU patches and whether these can be neutered within Group Policy or elsewhere..time will tell
        Out of the MS frying pan, into the fire?

        Win7 Pro x86/x64 | Win8.1 Pro x64 | Linux Hybrids x86/x64 |
        • #2021893 Reply
          abbodi86
          AskWoody_MVP

          That will not happen

          but they might add hidden nags for ESU bypasser 😀

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      • #2021864 Reply
        HanJohnJo
        AskWoody Plus

        This link says that Win7 ESU will be available for the users of both Ultimate and Professional versions.

        https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4527878/faq-about-extended-security-updates-for-windows-7

        Frangar non flectar

        • #2022090 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          I don’t see where it mentions Ultimate. Did I miss something?

          • #2022093 Reply
            jabeattyauditor
            AskWoody Lounger

            I don’t see where it mentions Ultimate. Did I miss something?

            The only place Ultimate is mentioned is in the subtitle (you have to click the “More” link to see it); the section that describes what editions are eligible for ESU does not mention Ultimate.

            • #2022144 Reply
              anonymous
              Guest

              @jabeattyauditor

              I just checked a few minutes ago (literally!) and you are correct, the ONLY place that Ultimate is mentioned is at the very top when you click the “More” link for the versions of Windows that the KB is applicable to. The other specific question about applicable editions mentions that ESU is applicable only to Enterprise and Pro versions of Win7.

              @woody

              Looks like you might want to point the above facts out to Joe Lurie so he can have the aforementioned KB (KB4527878) edited yet again to reflect what he said in the Tech Community forum back on the 19th of December (which you posted here on the main AskWoody page on the 20th).

              KB4527878 was last updated on the 18th, probably to reflect what was pointed out in your thread on the AMA event last week about the wording of MSE’s exact status after January 14th, 2020.

               

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          • #2036586 Reply
            abbodi86
            AskWoody_MVP

            It is mentioned now, but not upfront
            https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4527878/faq-about-extended-security-updates-for-windows-7

            Can Windows 7 ESU be used with Windows 7 Ultimate?

            We recognize there are commercial customers who have deployed Windows 7 Ultimate. For commercial customers who have Windows 7 Ultimate, you can purchase Windows 7 ESU to use with those devices.

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      • #2021981 Reply
        Charlie
        AskWoody Plus

        I don’t think anyone has asked this question yet so here goes.  After Jan. 14th, will the AskWoody group be checking and monitoring the safety and necessity of Windows 7 updates for those who are still able to pay for and get Win 7 updates?

        Win 7 Still Alive, x64, Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz, Linux Mint 19.1

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        • #2021992 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          I’m pretty sure we will have the usual information. Susan and Amy will definitely be involved. There will be others as well.

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      • #2022856 Reply
        Jim C
        AskWoody Lounger

        No more, I am done with it all! I’m so sick and tried of this Micro$oft **, with all the silly games they’ve played. For years now it’s been update… no don’t update… wait to update. Hide this, unhide that. Watch out for this telemetry. Sneaking in and not telling about things in the downloads! As I’m writing this, I have to laugh, even my spell checker is bewildered, it doesn’t know the word- unhide.

        I came here looking to find out about Servicing Stack Update KB4531786 and I did. I’m hiding it like I did with KB4530734 and turning off any future updates. I have Malwarebytes, Avast and Spybot to help me, going it alone into the great cyber unknown. I do feel some what relieved, knowing it’s all over and never having to deal the Micro$oft’s silliness it again. No big surprise to most Win 7 users that, Micro$oft has been treating it like a dirty orphan sock for years now.

        I’ll still be getting my advice from Woody and so many others on here. Of course adding in my useless comments too. Safe travels to all the other Win 7 users.

      • #2042055 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I have win 7 ultimate on one desktop and would be more than willing to pay MS for the updates yearly whether or not they are of the “group A variety” or not (have always been group B)

        This is an older machine my brother built years ago. And while I have alot backed up to external drives, there is software etc on here that cannot be replaced.

        I am wondering where I do go to/contact buy the ESU?

        • #2042070 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          You can apply here.

          • #2042136 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            Thank you PK for taking the time to reply.

            Looks like I will just go with  0patch (paid option) as I do own a company.

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