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      • #2325508
        Kirsty
        Da Boss

        A long time ago when the Lounge was new, our wish list included having the Lounge posts with Reply, Thanks and Quote buttons in the header row of each[See the full post at: Minor Lounge Button Tweaks]

         
        UPDATE:
        The feedback received has been firmly on the idea that the header buttons should be in the footer, and vice versa. So we’re going to give this a try – Reply, Thanks and Quote in the Footer, with Report in the Header.
        Keep that feedback coming, please!

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      • #2325509
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        Nearly reported a post I wanted to thank! Good job I read before clicking. 🙂

        cheers, Paul

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        • #2325511
          Kirsty
          Da Boss

          I guess that might happen a bit while the change beds in… 😉

      • #2325515
        CBA
        AskWoody Plus

        With all due respect, I’m for keeping the “Thanks” button below the message.  Placed between Reply and Quote is a mismatch imo.  But, no big deal.

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        • #2326211
          Microfix
          AskWoody MVP

          @CBA something like this layout?
          use your imagination 🙂

          headfoot

          I’d agree that if the post warrants a QUOTE, REPLY or THANKS, it’s logical that these are placed on the footer after reading the entire post. As is, REPORT next to the post number in question is also logical.


          No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created Pebcak
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          • #2326372
            CBA
            AskWoody Plus

            My preference would be to keep “Edit”, “Reply”, “Quote” and the “Post #” on top and to keep “Thanks” and “Report” on bottom.

            In other words, post-message manipulators on top and special actions on bottom.

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      • #2326019
        DaveA
        AskWoody_MVP

        It took a while to find these buttons as they are nothing but text to the eye ball.

        1, Now all we need is a “READ ALL” button.

        2, When going to a thread with a new post, one has to scroll to the new one. Some threads are several pages long!

        DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
        Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

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        • #2326022
          access-mdb
          AskWoody MVP

          There’s a button on the end of each link to a thread with new posts. Click on that and it takes you to the first new post.

          Screenshot-2021-01-05-162648

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        • #2326044
          SueW
          AskWoody Plus

          When going to a thread with a new post, one has to scroll to the new one. Some threads are several pages long!

          Searching for all ‘new’ posts (black tags) since your last visit to a topic:

          1. Once on that topic’s page, hit ctrl-F and a search box will open in the lower left corner of your monitor (in FF & WF).
          2. With the new button arrangement, type “te n” (without the quotes) into that search box.
          3. You’ll notice the number of matches, and you can click on the ^ or v arrows to move from ‘new’ comment to ‘new’ comment. There are additional options to the right of the box as well.

          If there are no ‘new’ comments since your last visit, that box will be filled pink.

          Win 7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit; Office 2010; Group B (SaS); Former 'Tech Weenie'
          • #2326057
            access-mdb
            AskWoody MVP

            Unfortunately, that doesn’t work for me. I’m using Firefox. Also, I’m not sure what you mean when you say “With the new button arrangement”

            • #2326060
              SueW
              AskWoody Plus

              Hmmm, I’m also using Firefox (pre-Quantum).  The ‘new button arrangement’ is the topic of this thread . . . as stated by Kirsty in the first post.

              Win 7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit; Office 2010; Group B (SaS); Former 'Tech Weenie'
            • #2326069
              anonymous
              Guest

              I’m confused by the thread title, there are no buttons, I only see hyperlinks. Should these ‘buttons’ be visable, Is there a problem with my browser?

      • #2326035
        Cesar
        AskWoody Lounger

        For me, it makes more sense to have all these “actions” under the message because you can only reply, thank, quote or report a post after you’ve finished reading it. Anyway, it’s just a matter of getting used to the new layout.

        As a suggestion, could it be possible to make the separation between posts more noticeable? A darker horizontal line, for instance, could make it easier to realize at a glance if an action applies to the previous or the following message.

        César

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        • #2326051
          Kirsty
          Da Boss

          could it be possible to make the separation between posts more noticeable? A darker horizontal line, for instance, could make it easier to realize at a glance

          The contrast on the header and footer rows has been an issue from day one, especially for those with sight problems. Changing it is on the same list as the button changes, but sadly, we currently have to wait for a theme revamp. Changes cost money, so are done on a needs-must basis.

          Changes are going on in the wings, but there’s no telling if or how soon this might happen. It is our fervent wish to get the color of the header text and background more visible 🙂

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          • #2326123
            Cesar
            AskWoody Lounger

            especially for those with sight problems

            (Count me in…)

            Thanks for the clarification. Anyway, as I said before, it’s just a matter of getting used to the new layout. Thanks for all the effort, hard work… and money invested at AskWoody.com. 🙂

            César

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        • #2326113
          BobT
          AskWoody Lounger

          Same. Report should be on top next to the post #, the rest at the bottom. Makes more sense.

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      • #2326056
        Kirsty
        Da Boss

        I’m finding it helpful to be able to hit Quote without having to scroll down 🙂
        (Ok, small screen issue, but I still appreciate that part)

        • #2326199
          anonymous
          Guest

          Funny, as the one thing I was concerned would be annoying is having to scroll back up to quote or reply, as I’m going to finish reading the post before doing either.

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          • #2326285
            Kirsty
            Da Boss

            That could depend on the length of the post, certainly, and the device it was being viewed upon 🙂

            • #2326499
              wavy
              AskWoody Plus

              I see that an “online’ vs “offline’ indicator was tried for a while, I have no opinion regarding that but it might be useful for some.

              I would REALLY like to be able to highlight a quote and hit the reply BY the quote to get that quote and index in the reply box. I realize that the software in use is very limiting but it would be nice.

              I would also like the function ‘new posts since last visit’ to be useful more than once a day. Not to hammer a dead horse but I miss the unread posts option from Windows Secrets.

              🍻

              Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
      • #2326208
        eljay
        AskWoody Plus

        For me, it makes more sense to have all these “actions” under the message because you can only reply, thank, quote or report a post after you’ve finished reading it. Anyway, it’s just a matter of getting used to the new layout.

        As a suggestion, could it be possible to make the separation between posts more noticeable? A darker horizontal line, for instance, could make it easier to realize at a glance if an action applies to the previous or the following message.

        César

        Completely agree.  Reply, Quote, Thanks only make sense after reading the post.  And delineation is often not given the prominence it needs.

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        • #2326526
          Kirsty
          Da Boss

          Reply, Quote, Thanks only make sense after reading the post.

          Not disagreeing with your contention, but thinking it through, it doesn’t make sense that you would do any of those things before reading the post…
          Does it not make sense to read something before reporting it too?

          • #2326716
            Cesar
            AskWoody Lounger

            Does it not make sense to read something before reporting it too?

            You have to read the post to Report it, yes, that’s correct. But the reason to put Report on a separate group of links (or buttons) is, in my opinion, to avoid clicking on it by mistake when you just want to Thank or Reply.

            César

            • #2326747
              Kirsty
              Da Boss

              Which gets us back to exactly where we started this exercise! 😉
              That’s why we separated the Report to the footer, leaving the other options in the header…

      • #2326500
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        Well, we now have the tools to make those wanted changes, which have just been activated.

        Kirsty, does it mean that now you can fix things like “the trigger happy spam filter” and similar big nuisances, were these to occur? Because, if as a result of now having those tools, you and some others here can do things like that, then the sentence quoted above would not be just good news, which it is, but also more than that: truly great news.

        Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

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        • #2326527
          Kirsty
          Da Boss

          Kirsty, does it mean that now you can fix things like “the trigger happy spam filter” and similar big nuisances, were these to occur?

          The tools to change the header and footer row settings are in no way connected with the spam filter, or “big nuisances” that may occur from time to time. Sorry to disappoint!

      • #2326501
        wavy
        AskWoody Plus

        I just got annoyed again by having to scroll up to thank!

        This definitely belongs at the bottom of the post.

        Or are you trying to discourage ‘thanking’ ??

        🍻

        Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
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      • #2326530
        Charlie
        AskWoody Plus

        You have no idea how many times I’ve almost clicked on Report, when I meant to click on Thanks!  If this stays this way maybe you should give us instructions on how to “Unreport”.

        • #2326531
          Kirsty
          Da Boss

          instructions on how to “Unreport”

          Just click Cancel on the box that appears 😉

          We’ll be trialling some more changes shortly following feedback given, so watch this space (no, not just seeing if you’re all paying attention!). We’ll see if that’s any better?

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          • #2326533
            OscarCP
            AskWoody Plus

            I just “Reported” and then tried tried to “Unreport” Charlie, purely as an experiment, but “in the box that appears” I see no “Cancel” button:

            No-Cancel-button...

            Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

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            • #2326544
              Kirsty
              Da Boss

              What does this button say on yours???

              cancel-1

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              • #2326565
                OscarCP
                AskWoody Plus

                Oh, I thought the “box” was that big thing for writing the report on Charlie’s transgressions that “then appeared” (not my words) right below Charlie’s comment when clicking on ‘REPORT’. So, most logically, I was looking for “Cancel” somewhere down there! Thus I missed the thing on top. Never mind that. What now matters is that we all have learned a useful lesson today and Charlie has got the answer he so anxiously had asked for!

                So Charlie wins, I win, we all win! Yay!

                Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

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              • #2326693
                Charlie
                AskWoody Plus

                Thank you Kirsty, I didn’t know what would happen if I clicked on report since I’ve never had reason to do it.  Thanks Oscar for your help too.

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      • #2326532
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        Generally speaking, considering that I am a so very, very old (hint: I am, supposedly, so old as to be placed in the very second group scheduled to get the shots!), I have had no serious problems with the previous, or have them now with the present arrangement of the buttons. Even with my undoubtedly shrunken brain and many other deficiencies proper of my extremely advanced age, I still seem to be able to find my way to comment in AskWoody with considerable ease, in spite of this fast-evolving button situation. So, please, Kirsty: don’t you worry about me. I’m good. I’m good.

        Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

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      • #2326602
        CBA
        AskWoody Plus

        “…give this a try – Reply, Thanks and Quote in the Footer, with Report in the Header.”

        There are many ways to cut a pie and I can live with the above although my preference would be to keep Edit next to Reply in the footer and Thanks all the way right: Edit | Reply | Quote | Thanks.

        The separators should be grey and perhaps also be added between Report | Post# on top.  Of course, all imho.

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        • #2326643
          Kirsty
          Da Boss

          We can’t add separators, sorry. Re the color, already discussed above.
          And we have no control over the order in which the buttons are displayed, only whether they are in the header or the footer.

      • #2326635
        wavy
        AskWoody Plus

        It is much better now IMHO with the Reply | Thanks | Quote on the bottom. The report button I have no opinion on, I have never used it and likely never will. (like most folk)

        I would note that for the last at least week maybe more, clicking on an attached image loads fast and clicking back subsequently in my browser goes back to the original page very very quickly. 🤩👍 I used to have to wait a few seconds. Maybe the new server arrangement??

        Pale Moon 28.17 on W10 Pro 1909.

        🍻

        Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
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      • #2326647
        Kirsty
        Da Boss

        my preference would be to keep Edit next to Reply in the footer

        Good idea, thanks!
        Just made this change (may take a little while to be visible, though).

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      • #2326715
        WCHS
        AskWoody Plus

        No “Remove Thanks” any longer??

        • #2326726
          OscarCP
          AskWoody Plus

          WCHS: REMOVE THANKS replaces THANKS in the bottom bar after you “THANK” someone.

          And, as Wavy has noted and it is also my current experience, things now are distinctly working faster than before the move to either new servers, or to a new servers’ arrangement.

          Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

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      • #2326761
        cyberSAR
        AskWoody Plus

        Alright I am feeling stupid. I can’t see anywhere to make a new post when in a forum. Worst forum software I’ve ever dealt with… no offense intended!

         

        • #2326762
          cyberSAR
          AskWoody Plus

          Nevermind. I just realized you have to scroll to bottom of the page

          • #2326766
            Kirsty
            Da Boss

            It’s not changed… been like that for (well, 4 years since the Lounge started, and you were one of the earlier Lounger accounts)

            • #2327012
              cyberSAR
              AskWoody Plus

              That’s why I said I was feeling stupid 🙁

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          • #2327083
            DaveA
            AskWoody_MVP

            Then you have to scroll back to the top to jump to another thread or group!

            DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
            Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

            • #2328600
              Kirsty
              Da Boss

              Wishlist items… 😉

            • #2328735
              OscarCP
              AskWoody Plus

              In a Mac one has a shortcut to achieve that without to having to scroll all the way to the top or the bottom of a file or a Web page, same in Linux. So there has to be a couple of shortcuts in Windows 10 to go to the top or the bottom of a file or a of Web Page. In Win 7, if I remember correctly, those were “Ctrl+Up key” and “Ctrl+Down key.”

              To find out, Google something like:  scrolling, Windows 10, top bottom of page.

              Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

      • #2326776
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        I like the Cancel button when you reply. Handy when you hit reply on the wrong post.

        cheers, Paul

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        • #2327841
          Kirsty
          Da Boss

          One thing I have noted is that the Cancel/Submit option is only available when replies to Replies – it does not appear when replying to a topic’s primary post!

      • #2327320
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        I would like the “Cancel” button to remain visible, of course only to the author of the post, to allow for cancellation after submission. I have, in two occasions, posted a comment that later on I realized was incorrect, but the opportunity to delete it using “Cancel” was no longer available.

        And just now I have noticed that the “Cancel” button is, in fact not available at all before posting a comment or editing it: it is simply gone.

        Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

        • #2327349
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          “Cancel” and “delete” are not the same thing.
          Cancel” refers to the submission – you can submit the content you have typed in the entry box, or you can cancel (ie, not submit) the content of the entry box.
          Delete” refers to an content of an already submitted entry, and you cannot delete something you have already submitted.

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          • #2327417
            OscarCP
            AskWoody Plus

            PK: I am OK with not deleting my already posted comments, because  there are other ways to correct a wrong comment already made, even if they are not entirely elegant. But “Cancel” was missing before submitting a comment the first time, when I then wrote that it used to be next to “Submit” and it was no longer there or anywhere else I could see.

            Now I’ve noticed, while writing this, that the “Cancel” button is back again, next to “Submit”, as it has always been the case until now — and I hope it stays there.

            Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

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      • #2328015
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        Nice separators!

        cheers, Paul

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      • #2331402
        TJ
        AskWoody Plus

        The last few days I can’t reach askwoody.com when on VPN: “Error 403 Forbidden” – Wordfence.

        Very annoying

        • #2331426
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          This will be because the IP address the VPN has assigned to you is a source of spam and our security blocks access.

          See this thread for ways around the problem.
          why should I disable my vpn to view here

          cheers, Paul

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          • #2331457
            TJ
            AskWoody Plus

            I’ve seen the thread. You can read there that there are others that also have this problem on askwoody only – nowhere else. Which may be due to Wordfence falsely determening a certain vpn-ip address as being crooked, and not updating their databases.

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            • #2331671
              Kirsty
              Da Boss

              This particular IP issue appears to be a very current blacklist, not historic…
              🙂

      • #2331513
        Fred
        AskWoody Plus

        I’ve seen the thread. You can read there that there are others that also have this problem on askwoody only – nowhere else. Which may be due to Wordfence falsely determening a certain vpn-ip address as being crooked, and not updating their databases.

        That is correct, fully. One must be able to connect through VPN. See the many publications of the security firms and various NCSC organisations. It simply is an extra to provide more security for  the users on the internet.

        ~ ~ ~
        • #2331674
          Kirsty
          Da Boss

          Unfortunately, many VPNs are used by those trying to evade security for criminal purposes, and this creates major issues for many innocent customers trying just to be safe.
          Free VPN suffer most from this problem, but it is also a major problem in paid services as well.

          In the meantime, this thread is entirely off-topic!
          🙂

      • #2334194
        Bob99
        AskWoody Plus

        Not too long ago, we used to be able to delete a post within a certain amount of time after posting it. We can no longer do this, needing the help of the admins to delete a post instead.

        Is there a way to bring back the limited time frame to delete a post so we can do so without bothering the admins?

        Case in point, today I was composing an answer to a person’s question, and while I was doing quick research and composing the answer, PK posted the very same answer I did, but I didn’t find out until I had already posted mine. The times on the posts were about 7 or 8 minutes apart, making it look as if I had posted after reading his, which I didn’t do.

        The above paragraph is why I’d like to be able to delete a post right after posting it, in case it’s a duplicate of something someone else says before I get a chance to finish composing my post. I’m not exactly the fastest typist around, nor am I the slowest, but, still, while we’re composing a post, the page doesn’t update to reflect that someone else has added a post until after we hit the “Submit” button at the bottom, and I don’t want to duplicate a post if I can avoid it.

        BTW, the post was deleted, so no duplicate post now exists.

        • #2334213
          Kirsty
          Da Boss

          we used to be able to delete a post within a certain amount of time after posting it…
          Is there a way to bring back the limited time frame to delete a post so we can do so without bothering the admins?

          No, that can’t be brought back. It only disappeared as an option when it stopped being a provided option in the platform we use.

          However, while it was in action, it was being abused by Loungers, which caused a moderating nightmare on occasions. If you do need a post trashed, reporting it is the easiest way (some Loungers choose to delete the contents while the editing timeframe is still open, then report to request the trashing).

          • #2334447
            Bob99
            AskWoody Plus

            If you do need a post trashed, reporting it is the easiest way…

            By using the “Report” link at the top of the post in question?

            The wording that appears after clicking the “Report” link says

            Use this only to report spam, harassment, fighting, or rude content.

            I wouldn’t think that a duplicate post (saying the very same thing as another poster) would fall within those guidelines.

            That’s why I DM’d a known admin to have the post removed instead.

            Thanks for the tip on what some Loungers do by deleting the text of the post, saving it, then asking for it to be removed. Sounds like that technique saves someone else from responding to a post that will eventually be deleted, which would be a waste of their time.

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            • #2334457
              Kirsty
              Da Boss

              If we had control over that wording, it would include wording like “personal attacks” instead of fighting 😉
              I understand your reticence to use the Report button “just” for trashing. However, with so many already doing it, we certainly don’t mind.

              The problem with a DM is that it only goes to one person, who may not be online for quite a while.

               

              Sounds like that technique saves someone else from responding to a post that will eventually be deleted, which would be a waste of their time.

              Very much so – and that saves us work (much appreciated!).

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        • #2334237
          OscarCP
          AskWoody Plus

          One problem with deleting a comment one has made and then changed ones’ mind about, is that, by then, people may have replied already to it with their own opinions. If the initial posting that caused those replies is deleted, so are all the replies. Sometimes this might not matter, but at some other times the successive linked comments might have brought something interesting with them that by “cutting off the head” would be lost forever.

          One may reply to one’s problematic comment oneself, to explain what is wrong about it, so others do not wast time criticizing the comment for the very reason one would like to have deleted it. It is the right thing to do, if nothing else.

          Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

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          • #2334259
            Kirsty
            Da Boss

            One problem with deleting a comment one has made and then changed ones’ mind about, is that, by then, people may have replied already to it with their own opinions. If the initial posting that caused those replies is deleted, so are all the replies.

            Only if that “comment one has made” is a new topic will it delete the replies. In the case of a reply, the deleted reply causes all the subsequent replies to be unthreaded, making a total mess of the topic, when it happen in large topics.

            Hence, I said:

            while it was in action, it was being abused by Loungers, which caused a moderating nightmare on occasions.

            🙂

      • #2334798
        WCHS
        AskWoody Plus

        For the wish list: I’d like to have the ability to preview a post before it is submitted.

        • #2334841
          Kirsty
          Da Boss

          Been on the list since about, oh, week 2 of the Lounge (nearly 4 years). It’s not something the stock-standard platform software permits (you’ve heard it here before – customizations cost $$$), but would be enormously helpful – agreed!

          • #2334850
            b
            AskWoody Plus

            Aren’t these two recommended plugins free?

            https://bbpress.org/forums/topic/preview-post

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            • #2334865
              Kirsty
              Da Boss

              Neither of these are easily discoverable in the BBPress official plug-in library, and neither are current.

              As they are not tested to run on the current platform, and the risk of conflicts with the other plug-ins we are using, I’d not recommend trying them at this point. One also requires a platform we don’t use.

              If you can come up with a current, tested, appropriate option, we could check for known conflicts.

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