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      • #2369054
        steeviebops
        AskWoody Lounger

        This has been inspired by the Firefox Proton update but has been brewing for a while, at least since iOS 7…

        I’m really getting fed up with these modern flat-coloured user interfaces. Part of the reason why dark mode is such a necessity for some is because the current obsession with solid white designs can be hard on the eyes. It’s like we’re going back to Windows 3.1 and 16-colour UIs, even though we have millions of colours, and therefore shades, to choose from. Why can’t they just use softer shades?

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      • #2369067
        anonymous
        Guest

        Yeah the latest Firefox up date is blinding. If it’s not broke don’t fix it.

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      • #2369114
        Charlie
        AskWoody Plus

        Yes indeed, and right now Firefox isn’t broken, it just needs security updates!  Please listen Mozilla, you’re going to lose loyal users like me if this malarky keeps up!

        • #2369507
          Microfix
          AskWoody MVP

          Mainstream Firefox = new features with more point release updates and experimental bloat.
          Firefox ESR = Security Only (SO) with functionality based on the 78.x.x series.

          Although Firefox ESR(SO) will optionally be the same as Firefox 91 with the possibility to stick with older ESR 78.12-78.15 (SO) before moving to Firefox ESR 91(SO) based on Firefox 91.3 scheduled for a merge on November 2nd 2021.
          more info: Here

          | Quality over Quantity |
      • #2369213
        Ascaris
        AskWoody MVP

        It’s all about fashion, not usability. The people who like the new Firefox design on the Firefox subreddit comment about its aesthetics, how it looks fresh and modern, while the people who dislike it comment on the wasted space, low contrast, lack of connection of tabs to content, and things like that. One set of people is looking at the body style and paint job, while the other is looking at whether the thing is going to work as well as last year’s model.

        The quest to appear “modern” is as much a moving target as clothing-oriented fashion, while human brains still process information just as they did hundreds of years ago. Something that by design has to keep changing is not a good match for something quite static, like how people think.

        Every new version of Firefox makes me wonder if this is the one that will drive me away. As long as I can fix most of the latest batch of Mozilla mistakes, I am inclined to put off the inevitable move for another month, since anything based on Chromium is just so bad, and I don’t know if Waterfox can sustain the effort to back out the errors. It is not merely a likelihood that one of these Firefox blunders will finally push me away. At this point, I consider it a certainty, with the only question being whether it will be “soon,” “very soon,” or “probably when the next version comes in a month.”

         

        Group "L" (KDE Neon Linux 5.22.1 User Edition)

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      • #2369287
        Charlie
        AskWoody Plus

        Will making a restore point right before updating enable me to go back to the previous version 88.0.1 of FF I have on Win 7?  This is probably too simple, but thought I’d ask anyway.

        • #2369317
          DrBonzo
          AskWoody Plus

          @Charlie – I can’t speak to the issue of extensions or add-ons, but regarding the “look” of 89.0, it really isn’t much different than previous versions. The hamburger menu is considerably condensed, so you might want to consider displaying tool and menu bars, if you haven’t already, before you move to 89; the bars get carried over with no changes as near as I can tell. The 2 biggest immediately obvious visual changes are that my start page icons are rounded and smaller and that tabs are rounded and appear to “float” above the main content of a web page.

          That’s just my opinion of course, and as they say YMMV.

          Seems to me you might be able to test 89 and revert to 88 more easily in your Mint set-up (as I recall you either dual boot with W7 and Mint or have another computer with just Mint). If you still have the installation usb flash drive you could boot from that and then try to update FF to 89 and try it out.

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          • #2369511
            Charlie
            AskWoody Plus

            Okay I got it, and it’s bearable, but cheaper and chintzier.  Mozilla says this is in response to what people are asking for?  Must be mostly the people on flip phones that want this.

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            • #2369520
              DrBonzo
              AskWoody Plus

              I agree, it is cheaper and chintzier, and I prefer the 88 version. From all the talk about 89 I thought it was going to be unrecognizable and require learning a new browser. So I was just trying to say that the actual changes don’t seem very drastic. I’m definitely not an FF fanboy.

              And, to address the title of this thread, I think most modern interface designs are worse than older ones, and are basically updates for the sake of updates. Frankly I think the whole software update situation is ridiculous and it seems sometimes that I spend more time on the update journey than I do at the destination of actually getting something useful done.

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        • #2369318
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          You don’t restore OS just for restoring from non-liked installed app.
          First use portable apps so you can just delete app’s folder and download previous version… if you desire.
          I use Portable Firefox 78.11 ESR.

          Mozilla Firefox, Portable Edition 89.0

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      • #2369295
        anonymous
        Guest

        Restoring using the restore point is one step in going back, but with auto-update turned on your system will update to Firefox 89 again.  So learn how to backup profile instead, and also how to block updates.  IMO if you don’t like unexpected change Firefox ESR is a better choice.

        • #2369501
          Charlie
          AskWoody Plus

          I’ve always had Firefox’s update set to Check for updates but let me decide when to install them.  I don’t like or trust letting programs updating themselves.  As far as I know this has not changed in FF 89.

          • #2369529
            DrBonzo
            AskWoody Plus

            I have my non-Linux FF updates set up the same as you do. On Win 8.1 (and Win 7) that same update method continues to work in exactly the same way in 89 as it did in 88. I typically wait a few days before installing an update just to see if anyone reports bad things.

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      • #2369342
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        I’d though this was a discussion on “modern interfaces” in general, but as it turns out, is one on the current look and feel of FireFox, just another browser for which there are probably better options, and one that I rarely use. Oh, well …

        Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group W (ex B) & macOS Mojave + Linux (Mint)

        • #2369745
          Charlie
          AskWoody Plus

          I first noticed the new, stark, minimalist, black & white, grey & white, occasionally some blue allowed here and there, “modern” interface when Adobe Acrobat Reader DC used it.  I’m not sure who did it first, but Win 10 is like that too.

        • #2369874
          steeviebops
          AskWoody Lounger

          I had a response written out but then the site went down just as I submitted it!

          I suppose Firefox was just the most recent one that made me post the rant but as I said, I think it goes back as far as iOS 7. It started with Windows 8 to some extent but it wouldn’t be the worst offender. Same with Windows 10 because I found that even changing the menu bar colour helps a lot. Another recent example is VMware Workstation 15 and 16; I have a licence for 16 but it looks awful with the solid white UI.

          Regarding Firefox ESR, unfortunately I feel it’s a “kick the can down the road” situation; it’ll catch up eventually. I was a big fan of Waterfox Classic but stopped using it about a year ago as more sites became unusable in it. I’ve been reluctant to touch any Chromium based browser but may have no choice in the matter.

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      • #2369457
        wavy
        AskWoody Plus

        FWIW I do not want a ‘phone app’ gui on my computer. W 10 is bad enough but my browser (where I spend the vast majority of my time) can not be so counter functional (and just plain plain). I will be using Pale Moon until such time ( I hope it never comes to that, but life is uncertain) as I can not do to usability. For now I am happy with my few extensions.

        🍻

        Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
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      • #2370713
        Cybertooth
        AskWoody Plus

        Regarding the new UI introduced with Firefox 89, Dedoimedo has a critique and lament.

        Techies don’t care about bling, they care about functionality and efficiency. When you make their search box almost indistinguishable from the background, they care. When they need extra mouse clicks to find a desired option, they care.

        I don’t have FF89 on any of my PCs yet. If you don’t care for the new UI, fortunately there seems to be a way to turn it off (for now) in about:config with browser.proton.enabled –> false.

         

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      • #2371107
        Charlie
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m getting more accustomed to it as I use it more, but I prefer black and white to grey and white.  Also, I’d like to have my bookmark folders be yellow like they were.  Other than those two items, it’s really not too bad.

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