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      • #2329888
        Susan Bradley
        Manager

        Remember it’s time to prepare for January updates by delaying /or pausing updates.  Also I’m ready to give the all clear to 2004 if you want to do it
        [See the full post at: MS-DEFCON 2 – Get ready for January updates]

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2330533
        anonymous
        Guest

        Help

        When setting TargetReleaseVersion in the registry and in Group Policy to 2004 it updates to 2004 right? What do you put if you want 20H2? Do you just put “20H2”?

        • #2330572
          PKCano
          Manager

          You can try 20H2, but I think MS made it 2009 or 2010 instead.

          • #2330602
            Kirsty
            Manager

            According to Susan’s ComputerWorld article back in October:

            Set its value to the desired target version for example, you’ll want to enter 1909 for Windows 10 version 1909, 2004 for Windows 10 version 2004, 20H2 for the latest release and so on.

          • #2330728
            Bob99
            AskWoody Plus

            I had to enter “20H2” in the gpedit setting to get 20H2 to show up in the list of available updates a couple of months ago, but I can’t find my post on here about having to do that instead of abbodi86’s post quoted above.

            I was on 2004 with the October update at that time if I recall correctly (IIRC).

            I’m currently on 2004 build 19041.685 and the same holds true, it won’t take 2009 or 2010 but only 20H2.

            For folks who want to know, since I use gpedit, I’m on Windows 10 Pro.

            • #2330897
              Bob99
              Guest

              I found the post I couldn’t find earlier this evening. It’s post number 2315456, and it’s located here. Look in the second paragraph for details.

              Turns out I was updated with the November monthly patch for 2004 at the time, and that month’s patch apparently changed the terminology used in the gpedit settings.

              • #2331596
                anonymous
                Guest

                I’m still really confused since there are different answers here.

                So if you are on 2004 you enter “20H2” to update to it, and if you are on 1909 or earlier you enter “2010” to get 20H2?

              • #2331603
                PKCano
                Manager

                It seems that 20H2 now works for both v1909 and v2004.

      • #2330579
        Cee Arr
        AskWoody Plus

        I’d like to raise a few points. Firstly,  it’s Defcon 2 but one can update to 2004 if one wants before patch Tuesday – isn’t that contraictary advice?  Secondly, as a paying member of AskWoody one is always referred to another website for more information re updating. Why so? Why not include the information on AskWoody?

        • #2330790
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          For one I’m following the format that Woody always used.    Tag » MS-DEFCON 2 « @ AskWoody   I consider this post more of an awareness post.   More details will honestly be in the paid newsletter at the end of this week.

          Secondly upgrading to 2004 today means you grab the release before the January updates.  A feature release is not the same thing as the security patch.  It’s honestly like a service pack and is not introducing any new code that we haven’t already tested.

           

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

      • #2330574
        anonymous
        Guest

        Help!

        What do you put if you want to go back to Windows 7?

         

        • #2330593
          PKCano
          Manager

          If you have upgraded from Win7 to Win10, and is has been less than 10 days, you can revert to your earlier Win10 version from within Win10.
          If it has been more than 10 days, you can restore the Win7 image you made before you upgraded (you did make an image backup, didn’t you?) or you can get out your Win7 install disks and start over.

      • #2330616
        anonymous
        Guest

        I’m not sure I like the change to telling people they need to spend $100 to get Pro rather than mentioning the Pause Updates feature. That’s a lot of money to fix an experience that Microsoft deliberately hampered. And I don’t really think we should be rewarding Microsoft for their policies that force us to have to wait until updates are ready, rather than actually testing them.

        • #2330791
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          I honestly don’t like the pause feature and the Pro “tax” allows you to specifically set the exact feature release you want.  It’s a much safer means to control updates.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

        • #2331042
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          There are plenty of ways to manage the updates in W10 Home. See this thread.

          Windows 10 Home vs. Pro

          cheers, Paul

      • #2331541
        jdywky
        AskWoody Plus

        Thank yOU !!
        WHEW !! Always a little more relieved when not too long in Defcon 4 & updating new events in
        Defcon 2 w pauses delaying updates…currently seeking new machine and OS..not Apple..hoping
        to have a version of something compatible with Excel and Linux Mint (Cinnamon?) but still access to
        whatever best Windows 10 is CONSISTENTLY TRUSTWORTHY, usable on with some way to minimize the time
        spent on updates especially having to pause virus checkers ..
        THANKS FOR YOUR HONESTY & PROFESSIONALISM !
        GOD BLESS YOU & YOUR TEAM and
        Best Wishes for a HAPPY NEW YEAR ! 🙂

      • #2331713
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Windows 2004 Beta
        January 12, 2021

        Made backup first.

        Checked for updates with WuMgr:
        Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.85 (KB890830)
        2021-01 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 2004 for x64-based Systems (KB4598242)

        Installed updates from WuMgr:
        Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.85 (KB890830)
        2021-01 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 2004 for x64-based Systems (KB4598242)

        I was prompted to reboot, so I rebooted without error, and checked for updates again using WuMgr. There were no further updates.

        Using WuMgr,
        Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.85 (KB890830)
        2021-01 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 2004 for x64-based Systems (KB4598242)
        showed under installed updates.

        On Hiatus {with backup and coffee}
        offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WuMgr
        offline▸ Win10Pro 20H2.19042.685 x86 Atom N270 RAM2GB HDD WindowsDefender WuMgr GuineaPigVariant
        online▸ Win10Pro 20H2.19042.804 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox86.0 WindowsDefender TRV=20H2 WuMgr
      • #2332063
        buckwheat
        AskWoody Plus

        Well, Susan Bradley gave the all clear to update to 2004. Back in September I downloaded a 2004 ISO file on an external portable hard drive. But, I have never done an update from an ISO file before. How is it done? Once installed do I need to manually update the Oct, Nov and Dec Patch Tuesday’s?

        I am on Windows 10 Home version 1909 and I have installed the December patches.

        • #2332138
          PKCano
          Manager

          Place the ISO on your desktop.
          Disconnect your computer from your network. The upgrade needs to be done OFFLINE.
          Right click on the ISO and choose “Open with” Explorer.
          It will mount the ISO as another drive letter.
          Navigate to that drive and run setup.exe
          Choose to save your Apps and Data, say “NO” when it asks you to go online to update (if you allow it, it will upgrade you to 20H2).
          After the upgrade is complete, go through the Settings App and the Control Panel and be sure all of your settings are correct (particularly Windows Update settings) – it will change some of them.
          Right click on the drive letter and unmount the ISO.
          Then go online and run Windows Update like you usually do (the ISO install will not be up to date).

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          • #2337234
            buckwheat
            AskWoody Plus

            PKCano, thank you for your help. With Windows 10 Home I know how to use Windows Update and Pause Updates, but updating manually is where I am lost. I am willing to learn how to do this so I can do it on my own. With Windows 10 Home there is not much that I can do when handling updates.

            I need clarification on the last part of your post. I am familiar with the Windows Update settings in the Settings App, but what is there to be done in the Control Panel? I understand that the ISO install will not be up to date. When back online and checking for updates will Windows install the Oct, Nov, and Dec updates or will I have to install them manually from the Microsoft Update Catalog? If so, I will need help on downloading and installing. I have never done this before.

            Reading later posts, is my system safe installing the 2004 ISO file that is not up to date? Am I better off just updating using the Windows 10 automatic update feature?

             

            • #2337235
              geekdom
              AskWoody Plus

              If you update from Windows update, you will acquire 20H2.

              On Hiatus {with backup and coffee}
              offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WuMgr
              offline▸ Win10Pro 20H2.19042.685 x86 Atom N270 RAM2GB HDD WindowsDefender WuMgr GuineaPigVariant
              online▸ Win10Pro 20H2.19042.804 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox86.0 WindowsDefender TRV=20H2 WuMgr
            • #2337289
              Paul T
              AskWoody MVP

              When back online and checking for updates will Windows install the Oct, Nov, and Dec updates

              Windows Update will install the latest updates as it normally does. To control those updates use wushowhode, WuMgr etc.

              cheers, Paul

          • #2337610
            CAS
            AskWoody Plus

            PK, I have the ISO for 2004 which I downloaded  from Heloc on September 14, 2020. When I right click on the ISO there is only the option to “mount” but no option “to open with explorer”.  (When I checked the properties for the ISO it indicates that it opens with windows explorer.) Will mount accomplish the same result?

            I currently sign in locally and have never signed-in with MS since the install of Win 10. How do I retain the local sign in option? If so, what, if anything must I do?

            I am currently on Win 10 pro v 1909 OS Build 18363.1256. I have hid kb453680 and kb4598229. I was planning on installing win 2004 this week and will do a full backup before I do anything.

            I have read your instructions about how to install the ISO for the upgrade and will do it offline, as you suggested. I have also read as many posts and replies that I am able to comprehend related to the upgrade, but given my limited knowledge of computers compared to others who patronize this site I am still confused. Hence, my questions. I appreciate whatever help you can provide me. Thanks in advance.

            CAS

            • #2337628
              PKCano
              Manager

              PK, I have the ISO for 2004 which I downloaded  from Heloc on September 14, 2020. When I right click on the ISO there is only the option to “mount” but no option “to open with explorer”.  (When I checked the properties for the ISO it indicates that it opens with windows explorer.) Will mount accomplish the same result?

              I currently sign in locally and have never signed-in with MS since the install of Win 10. How do I retain the local sign in option? If so, what, if anything must I do?

              I am currently on Win 10 pro v 1909 OS Build 18363.1256. I have hid kb453680 and kb4598229. I was planning on installing win 2004 this week and will do a full backup before I do anything.

              I have read your instructions about how to install the ISO for the upgrade and will do it offline, as you suggested. I have also read as many posts and replies that I am able to comprehend related to the upgrade, but given my limited knowledge of computers compared to others who patronize this site I am still confused. Hence, my questions. I appreciate whatever help you can provide me. Thanks in advance.

              CAS

              Yes

              I currently sign in locally and have never signed-in with MS since the install of Win 10. How do I retain the local sign in option? If so, what, if anything must I do?

              Sign in with your Local account. You don’t need an MS account to use the ISO.

              I am currently on Win 10 pro v 1909 OS Build 18363.1256. I have hid kb453680 and kb4598229. I was planning on installing win 2004 this week and will do a full backup before I do anything.

              The easiest way to upgrade from v1909 to v2004 is described in #2337619. Instead of using an ISO which is old and will have to be updated afterward, you can use the TargetReleaseVersion settings described in that post. It will keep your Apps and your data.

              But make that image backup before you start.

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              CAS
              • #2337642
                CAS
                AskWoody Plus

                Thank you, PK. Just to make certain that I understand your instructions, after reading #2337619, since I already made the policy edits that you referenced, I reset the both deferrals to zero. Then, instead of using the old ISO, I simply run windows update while keeping kb4535680 hidden. Can it really be that simple or am I missing something?

                 

                CAS

                • This reply was modified 4 months, 3 weeks ago by CAS. Reason: added ? mark at the end
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              • #2337650
                PKCano
                Manager

                DO NOT “Check for Updates.”
                Let Windows Update check for updates (scan) on its own.
                If you have TRV set to 2004, you should be offered v2004 shortly, and you can Download at your leisure.

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                CAS
              • #2337657
                CAS
                AskWoody Plus

                Once again, your help has been invaluable to me, PK. I will let windows update do the checking on it’s own and then do the update when it’s offered. Macrium here I come.

                Peace,

                CAS

              • #2338649
                CAS
                AskWoody Plus

                PK, I followed your instructions and was offered v2004 on Win update. I hid it and waited until today to attempt an install. After I allowed it and attempted to install the upgrade, it started to download but I got error OX80070020. I went to ms support sites and did what they suggested (updated drivers, ran win update troubleshooter, etc.) and still can’t get the upgrade to download. I ran a sfc scan and system image scan and there were no problems. I cleaned up all the files with win disk cleanup. I’m at a loss. Perhaps I’m cursed. Help, please. I’ll look for your reply tomorrow. I’m done for the day. Thanks in advance for all your help.

                Peace,

                CAS

                 

              • #2338718
                Paul T
                AskWoody MVP

                I doubt you are cursed, just one of the many having issues – good for us ’cause you come here to seek help.  🙂

                It might be easiest to download a 2004 ISO as you can then easily retry the installation.

                Do you have an Conexant audio driver?
                To find out: Win R, msinfo32
                Expand Components and click on Sound Device

                cheers, Paul

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                CAS
              • #2338792
                CAS
                AskWoody Plus

                Paul, I gave a Realtec high definition audio driver which has been updated. I’m going to try later today and see if the  upgrade will install. I noticed that some of the services were disabled. My bad. If the upgrade doesn’t work I’ll download the ISO and try tomorrow because my older computer will take forever to download a 5GB file.

                Besides turning off my antivirus and disconnecting all the peripherals are there other tasks I should perform before I try to install the upgrade? Any help you can provide will be appreciated.

                Peace,

                CAS

                 

              • #2338859
                CAS
                AskWoody Plus

                PK, today, I installed Win 10 2004. It took a while and I have some updating to do, but I lost no data and no apps.

                I am now on Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.746. Thank you for your help.

                Peace,

                CAS

              • #2338861
                Bob99
                AskWoody Plus

                @CAS

                Which method did you finally decide to use to get to 2004, Windows Update or an ISO?

          • #2337685
            buckwheat
            AskWoody Plus

            PK, could I get some help on my question (2337234). My only option moving to 2004 is an ISO file. Once completed since I should not check for updates to bring 2004 up to date, I will have to update manually. I do not know how to manually download and install the updates from the catalog. Thank you.

            • #2337694
              PKCano
              Manager

              I am familiar with the Windows Update settings in the Settings App, but what is there to be done in the Control Panel?

              Before you start, you should turn off Fast Startup (Control Panel\Power Options). The upgrade will turn off System Restore, if you use it you will need to turn it back on. There are other settings in the Control Panel you may have changed in the past, you should check them as well to be sure they are where you want them.

              Follow the instructions in #2332138. You will need to choose to keep your Apps and Data.

              When back online and checking for updates will Windows install the Oct, Nov, and Dec updates or will I have to install them manually from the Microsoft Update Catalog?

              Win10 updates are CUMULATIVE, which means each one contains all the ones that came before. So you will only need the latest one when you go back online, and it should be offered through Windows Update. So you will not have to do anything manually, just use Windows Update like you usually do (Do you use Pause, Metered connections, wushowhide?)

              You should be fine using the ISO.
              BUT, be sure you make an full disk image backup and a data backup BEFORE you start, so you have something to go back to if there is a problem.

            • #2337789
              Paul T
              AskWoody MVP

              I will have to update manually

              You do not have to do it manually. Windows Update will do the work for you, as mentioned in #2337289 above.

              cheers, Paul

      • #2333018
        anonymous
        Guest

        Updated to 2004. Win10 Pro x4 on Zbook 17 workstation running 1909. Set Group Policy to 2004 from 1909 and set feature deferral to 0 and resumed. Guess I did it early enough to miss January updates. Hit resume and was offered 2004, and HP driver update for 2004 from 2018 and Malicious Software tool. Hadn’t done this on Win10 before and the process took ~ 3 hours. 🙁

        2004 wiped my X-Rite monitor calibration and removed something called Intel USB MON. PITA to put it mildly. After doing some essential work, had to dig out the colorometer and re-profile with i1Studio. Saved the profile anyway as my eyeballs were burning prior.

        On reboot, got the removing Intel USB MON notification once more. Shutdown took much longer as did startup. Lost the startup sound first couple of times. It was checked. Go figure. Seems to be working again. Color profile takes some seconds to load after the sound and desktop appear. Why we need these “feature” updates is beyond me. Programs load but slower.

      • #2336785
        anonymous
        Guest

        Hi, I am on Windows 10 Pro version 1909, and for WU use GP(#2), feature update deferral set to 365 and quality update deferral set to 0. I also downloaded a 2004 ISO in last September and I also never done an update using ISO file. If I were to do the ISO update in a week from today, do I first need to change the feature update deferral day? If the answer is “yes”, will 220 do? Thanks for your help.

        • #2336846
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Using the ISO to update is simple.

          1. Disconnect from the internet.
          2. Double click the ISO file to mount it as a new drive.
          3. Double click setup.exe in the new drive.

          If you do not disconnect from the internet, you will be updated to the latest Windows version (currently 20H2).

          cheers, Paul

      • #2336903
        anonymous
        Guest

        Hi Paul, thanks for your response. Since for WU I use GP(#2) and for feature update deferral I set to 365, my question is do I first need to change the feature update deferral day? Again, thanks y’all for your help.

        • #2336908
          PKCano
          Manager

          The pulldown switches in the GUI Windows Update\Advanced Settings are going to go away (no longer be there) in v2004. You will need to change your Group Policy settings before you upgrade.

          The best way to upgrade to v2004 is to use Group Policy settings for TargetReleaseVersion. Leave the “2” setting where it is. Change the Quality Deferral to 0 or 1, and set the TRV to 2004 as described in AKB2000016 Section 5 (see screenshots below).
          After that is done, set the pulldown switches for deferral in the GUI both to zero.
          You should be offered v2004 the next time WU scans for updates.

          If you need to use the ISO, you should change the Group Policy settings as above BEFORE you do.
          You should also preform the upgrade OFFLINE or you will get v20H2 instead of v2004.

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        • #2336926
          anonymous
          Guest

          anon wrote:
          I also downloaded a 2004 ISO in last September

          PKCano wrote:
          The best way to upgrade to v2004 is to use Group Policy settings for TargetReleaseVersion.

          Strongly agree with PKCano recommendation to update via TRV. More specifically, in your case I’d be concerned that Feature Update performed now using install media from last September might be unnecessarily risky (see this Patch Lady post).

          Hope this helps.

      • #2336907
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        Updating from the ISO ignores all your settings.

        cheers, Paul

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