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      • #2348875
        Susan Bradley
        Manager

        ISSUE 18.9.1 • 2021-03-08 By Susan Bradley It’s the start of the patching week. We are a day away from the official start of patching season. While Mi
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        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2348895
        Thomas Szebenyi
        AskWoody Plus

        Windows 10 Pro is at 1909 level with an update to 2004 in the future waiting. I do not know when that will happen. The article stated that “Move away from 1909 no later than next month, as support for Win 10 Pro 1909 ends in May 2021.” Is this true? Windows Update gives “The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is on its way. Once it’s ready for your device, you’ll see the update available on this page.” So I am a bit confused.

        Tom

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        • #2348919
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          That means the patching gods of Redmond see that there’s a blocking issue on your device. I won’t discuss potential blocking issues in this week’s newsletter but will in the next one. I would check for not enough drive space to start, what’s the free space on your C drive?

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

      • #2348915
        CraigS26
        AskWoody Plus

        Windows 10 Pro is at 1909 level with an update to 2004 in the future waiting. I do not know when that will happen. The article stated that “Move away from 1909 no later than next month, as support for Win 10 Pro 1909 ends in May 2021.” Is this true? Windows Update gives “The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is on its way. Once it’s ready for your device, you’ll see the update available on this page.” So I am a bit confused.

        Clarify for Tom first and Then …..

        Does Susan, PKC, etc. have knowledge or educated guess as to whether Conexant users – who even have 20H2 – will have 21H1 be a No-Show As WITH 1909? I had to UNinstall the Conexant driver – which the 20H2 install Replaced with identical Driver data – & used the — Update Now — button to get 20H2 from 1909 on 1/18/21 – neither 2004 OR 20H2 ever showed in my Settings Update page.

        So, assuming GP is set to allow 21H1, will I & other Conexant users have to repeat the Uninstall Conexant routine, never seeing 21H1 in Settings/WU, and Clk the Update Now link on the 21H1 page, or ISO route, etc?

        W10 Pro 20H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 CoffeeLake-S / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

        • #2348918
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          I betcha they leave it with the funky “install twice if it fails the first time” resolution.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

      • #2348946
        CraigS26
        AskWoody Plus

        I betcha they leave it with the funky “install twice if it fails the first time” resolution.

        Thanks, Susan. I suspect we won’t see 21H1 IF we didn’t see 2004/20H2, and so I’ll just repeat the process after a short wait to monitor 21H1-installed results by others. With Macrium and a great CU & Feature Update record I’ve become a fairly quick installer – 20H2 was 2.5 hrs but a 1,2,3 process – we’ll see what happens.

        W10 Pro 20H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 CoffeeLake-S / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

      • #2348930
        anonymous
        Guest

        I have 81.4GB free on drive C:

        I also have a directory called $GetCurrent with a size of 3.81GB. Looks like it can be deleted. Could this cause an upgrade hangup.

        Thanks for your help

      • #2348961
        philv1234
        AskWoody Plus

        If updates are deferred / paused, does that mean that we will not receive MS Defender AntiVirus definition updates?

      • #2348970
        anonymous
        Guest

        Windows 10 1909 for consumers is on borrowed time so it’s time maybe to decide but I’m not looking forward to that! But I did just install the Feb 2021 patches today and hit that pause updates of all it was worth to put that off until DEFCON is indicating it’s time to get March’s updates installed.

      • #2348975
        anonymous
        Guest

        Why is this article a paid only item? No link to a Computerworld article either. Not good. not “Ask Woody” practice for Defcon.

        • #2348980
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          We only send the alerts out to Plus readers.  That hasn’t changed.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

      • #2348991
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        I suspect we won’t see 21H1

        21H1 is a small switches-on update that will take a couple of minutes, just like 1903 to 1909.

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      • #2349051
        Save_Us_from_MS
        AskWoody Lounger

        Does anyone know what happens when 1909 goes out of support and you have set TargetReleaseVersionInfo = 1909 ? Does the update get force installed?

        • #2349063
          PKCano
          Manager

          From Microsoft documentation as stated under the info on TRV in AKB2000016:

          **NOTE: It should also be noted that if the device is not updated before it reaches EOS, the device will automatically be updated once it is 60 days past end of service for its edition. MS documentation.

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      • #2349042
        anonymous
        Guest

        ‘patching season’ surely seasons are quarterly?

      • #2349124
        WSdonny
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m still on 1909 because ‘Windows updates cause video hesitations in game”
        I’ve tried twice updating and still have a very slight hesitation in my favorite game SGW-3.
        So is that a problem with Windows, the game or my video card?

      • #2349147
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        I’m still on 1909 because ‘Windows updates cause video hesitations in game”
        I’ve tried twice updating and still have a very slight hesitation in my favorite game SGW-3.
        So is that a problem with Windows, the game or my video card?

        The latest graphic drivers :

        Intel graphics driver version 27.20.100.9316 DCH for Windows 10

        https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/30266/Intel-Graphics-Windows-10-DCH-Drivers
        https://downloadmirror.intel.com/30266/eng/ReleaseNotes_100.9316.pdf

        AMD Radeon non-WHQL display driver version 21.2.3 Adrenalin 2020

        https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-21-2-3

        Nvidia 461.72 WHQL Gaming driver DCH

        https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/170887/en-us
        https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/461.72/461.72-win10-win8-win7-release-notes.pdf

        * Always download drivers from OEM.
        * In Windows 10 Pro block Microsoft drivers updates.
        In Windows 10 Home use WUmgr / WUmt to hide drivers updates.

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        • #2349359
          Mele20
          AskWoody Lounger

          ” Always download drivers from OEM.”

          That’s a terrible idea! Dell gives small business users truncated video drivers and others. I love my Dell machines going back to 1999 but I would NEVER get drivers from Dell. Dell admitted to me years ago that their nVidia driver was very truncated as they claimed users were ignorant and did not need the full driver. The difference was significant then between the real nVidia driver from nVidia and the pathetic messed with version that Dell offered. As far as I know, Dell still does this. ALWAYS download drivers from the driver maker NOT from the OEM or, even worse, from Microsoft.

      • #2349153
        WSdonny
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks.  I updated a few minutes ago so will have to see if that worked.

        Don

        • #2349545
          WSdonny
          AskWoody Plus

          No go, update driver again, update to 20H2, update driver again….20H2 is crap.

          Thanks Bill

          During the game, running is okay but if I get killed and the game goes back to the last point, there is about a 30 second delay……I mean the computer is idle, can’t do anything until it decides to wake up, then game play is on again until you get killed….(I know, don’t get killed)

      • #2349166
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus
        • This reply was modified 1 month ago by Alex5723.
      • #2349171
        CraigS26
        AskWoody Plus

        For the 20H2 CU users … KB5000802 Mar CU / Svc Stack 10.0.19041.806 / MSRT KB890830 …. That was it for me. Fairly fast & no burps. When the Mar 1 Non-Security Ofc 365 updates came out I always Clk Update in a Word doc and get a Dnload for my Ofce 2016 C2R ( 13801.20266 ).  Macrium was ready for both as always ………

        W10 Pro 20H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 CoffeeLake-S / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

        • #2349268
          ECWS
          AskWoody Plus

          I am up to 20H2 19042.867.  Not sure I saw a servicing stack update though or was it included in KB5000802?

          Having trouble getting the update from File/Office Account/Office Updates on one of two computers (Possible Office Antivirus is blocking it).  Keeps running, then I get an error.  Tried repairs, then used SARA to reinstall Outlook.

          Win 10 Pro 20H2 Dell E6540 500GB SSD 16GB Ram i7

          • This reply was modified 1 month ago by ECWS.
          • #2349484
            EP
            AskWoody_MVP

            like with KB4601382 preview update for 2004/20H2/21H1, KB5000802 and newer cumulative updates have recent servicing stack updates integrated

          • #2349489
            PKCano
            Manager

            The March SSU for 2004/20H2, KB5000858, is not even listed individually in the Catalog, as far as I can tell.

      • #2349302
        SvdH
        AskWoody Plus

        Hi, clients reported BSOD’s after last night patches.
        One with a BSOD at startup this morning and the other two both a BSOD when printing (one says from within Outlook 365).
        Anybody else?
        I’m removing KB 5000802 and servicing stack 10.0.19041.860 that were installed.
        Tnx for any help.

        Sjors

      • #2349306
        SvdH
        AskWoody Plus

        HI,
        removing KB5000802 solved the printing problem!
        Didn’t touch the servicing stack.

        regards
        Sjors

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      • #2349531
        ECWS
        AskWoody Plus

        I made the mistake of not waiting to update KB5000802 since it sometimes installs overnight and the computer is on in the morning.  Not wanting to have any problems I uninstalled it.  Also made the mistake of checking for updates not realizing it would install again.  Uninstalled and ran chkdsk and sfc /scannow.   Also clicked the 7 day pause.

        Should I uninstall the other two updates?

        KB4601382 (Servicing Stack Update?) and KB4589212

         

        Screenshot-2021-03-10-181822

         

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      • #2349910
        WSdonny
        AskWoody Plus

        Upgraded to 20H2, now Outlook 2010 fails.  Get this notice (attached).

        Do a recovery back to 1909 and works fine.

        Whats with these new OS update?

         

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        • #2349912
          WSdonny
          AskWoody Plus

          This was on a different computer, my wife’s:  She is not happy.

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