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    ISSUE 20.48.1 • 2023-11-28 By Susan Bradley For most Windows 10 and 11 users, including me, there have been no side effects as a result of November’s
    [See the full post at: MS-DEFCON 3: A slightly bumpy November]

    Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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    • #2606139

      Kindly confirm the file system location for the Group Policy files — C:\Windows\PolicyDefinitions for the admx file and a language specific subfolder (en-us on my system) for the adml file.

      FYI the link to the registry blocker file is broken at this writing.

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      • #2606165

        Yes, I too have tried to download the reg. file to block Copilot on Windows 10 22H2 without success, but I should really like it. I have located a reg. file to block Copilot on Windows 11 but for obvious reasons am reluctant to try this! Is the link given above –

        https://www.askwoody.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/DisableWindowscopilot.reg

        to download the reg. file for Windows 11 or for Windows 10? The reg. file itself doesn’t say.

        Of course, they may be identical, but I need to be sure. I’ve never used Group Policy files before and anyway my laptop is Windows Home. Many thanks, TSP

         

    • #2606153

      The correct WindowsCopilot registry blocker link: https://www.askwoody.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/DisableWindowscopilot.reg

      And, too, the Group Policy setting should be Enabled (not Disabled)

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    • #2606164

      No ‘For Developers’ in the Dutch version (yet)?

    • #2606167

      I should really like the reg. file to block Copilot on Windows 10 22H2 but the link given in Susan’s article doesn’t work, as previously pointed out, and the link given elsewhere appears to be for a Windows 11 version. Of course, the identical reg. file may work on both Windows 11 and Windows 10, but I need to be sure. I’ve never used Group Policy files before and anyway my laptop is Windows Home. Many thanks, TSP

    • #2606171

      Hi there.

      Unless I amissing something, there is no Windows Copilot in my GPEDIT. And I am not seeing what these files are or how to use them. Please explain:

      If you’d rather not be a participant in the AI revolution and want to wait for any bugs and issues to be resolved, remove Copilot from Windows (10 or 11) by downloading our Registry file to block Windows Copilot or by using our Group Policy files:

      I am Win 10 and use several utilities to cusomize my start menu and file manager. I am hoping no issues. Nothing has ever stepped on them before. Using Classic Srtratr Menu and Classic Explorer and perhaps a touch of Ultimate Windows Tweaker. Will report if an issue. And if so, I hope it will show up right away.

      Looking forward to the explanation on GPEDIT.

      Thanks.

       

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      • #2606235

        You get the group policy once either the preview is installed on your machine, or next month when the update for Windows 10 includes it.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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        • #2606407

          You get the group policy once either the preview is installed on your machine, or next month when the update for Windows 10 includes it.

          And by “next month” for Windows 10, do you mean the November patch or the December patch?

    • #2606185

      The instructions in the newsletter on how to disable Windows Copilot in the Group Policy Editor seem to be backwards. According to the information in GPedit, the setting required to disable Copilot is “Enabled”—presumably because the entry is called “Turn off Copilot.”

      • #2606224

        I am in the same boat because of the wording.  Did those nice people at MS cause even more confusion bu having it names “Turn off Windows Copilot” and then hitting disable in that so people would think they wanted to Enable that tab?

        • #2606391

          This is nothing new, the GPedit settings have always been a giant pile of double-speak word salad.

          To disable something you have to enable the setting that is named “disable (thing you want to disable).”

          I guess they’re just trying to be incredibly explicit?  But it’s a mess to follow.

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    • #2606186

      If Windows Copilot is installed while updating a Windows 10 PC can it be removed using Revo Uninstaller or a similar app?

    • #2606211

      Apple is the world leader in planned obsolescence, all technologies, a role model for others to follow.

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    • #2606212

      Under settings and to view update history. What is needing to be done to speed up the process for the updates. That I didn’t understand. Could someone please fill me in on what I should do under View update history??

    • #2606213

      I have tried repeatedly to post this question when logged in but it will not upload, not even to await moderation, so I am posting as a guest. Is the reg. file to block Windows Copilot downloadable at:

      https://www.askwoody.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/DisableWindowscopilot.reg

      suitable fot installation on a Windows 10 22H2 PC, or is it only suitable for Windows 11?  With many thanks, The Surfing Pensioner

    • #2606134

      Hello,

      I started to follow the following procedure, but on my Windows 10 22H2 machine, there was no ‘Windows Copilot’ entry?

      To use the local Group Policy editor to block Windows Copilot:

      Search for “gpedit” and click the top result to open the Group Policy Editor;
      Navigate to User Configuration | Administrative Templates | Windows Components | Windows Copilot;

    • #2606142

      Just finished updating. Besides a 2 restart, I wait to hit the restart now till all updates are done installing, nothing out of the ordinary, well besides a 2023-10 Update for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB4023057). Normally updates don’t urk me, but that one does… Why an October update in November?

    • #2606178

      Regarding blocking the installation of CoPilot, the link contained in the phrase” Registry file to block Windows Copilot” is broken. I get a notice Not Found
      Sorry, but you are looking for something that is not here.

    • #2606243

      The .admx and .adml files are settings for Group Policy.
      Group Policy is only available in Win10/11 Pro. They do not work in the Home Edition.
      If you have Win10/11 Home, you will need to use the .reg solution to block CoPilot

      • #2606351

        I’m confused by what you wrote. The newsletter says this:
        “If you’d rather not be a participant in the AI revolution and want to wait for any bugs and issues to be resolved, remove Copilot from Windows (10 or 11) by downloading our Registry file to block Windows Copilot or by using our Group Policy files:

        WindowsCopilot.admx
        WindowsCopilot.adml

        Note the above are for corporate patchers with a domain.”

        You say they’re for anyone with Win 10 Pro. I have Win 10 pro but I’m not a corporate patcher and I don’t have my own domain.

        How should I disable CoPilot?
        (1) With the .reg file?
        (2) With one of the Group Policy files? If so, which one?
        (3) With both of the Group Policy files?
        (4) Manually by going into Group Policy?

        Thanks very much if you can clarify.

        • #2606357

          If you have the Pro Edition, you can use one or both the Group Policy method and the Registry method. If you have the Home Edition, you can only use the Registry method.

          If you use Group Policy, you need both the .admx and the .adml files. See #2606302 for instructions. Once you add the files, you have to open Group Policy and Enable the block.

          If you use the Registry method, you have to download the .reg file and install it.

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          • #2606362

            For decades, I’ve been just one person on just one PC at home (but always using the PRO version of Windows). So I’ve always gone in and out of both Group Policy (“GP”) and .reg, doing whatever the instructions told me to do.

            So when you give me the Pro-user’s choice of using one OR BOTH of the GP and .reg methods … I’ve never had a choice before.

            What happens if I only use the .reg? What am I missing out on by not using the “GP” method? If I’m just a single person on a single PC, do “GP” and .reg accomplish the same thing?

            Many thanks for your reply above, and even more thanks if you continue educating me!

            • This reply was modified 3 months ago by ejb. Reason: Clarify thanks
            • #2606380

              The GP settings are for the Current User (under User Configuration not Computer Configuration).

              The .reg file has settings for both HKCU (H_Key_Current_User) and HKLM (H_Key_Local_Machine), so it covers both the Current User and Local Machine=computer

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            • #2606429

              Thanks very much!

              PS – I remember the days when there were good, thick but very readable books about Windows that went into this kind of foundational stuff that taught some basic principles of how Windows was organized, so I could reason out these things for myself.

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    • #2606244

      There’s a bit of a discrepancy between the registry entries the WindowsCopilot.admx can make and the ones the .reg file makes.

      The WindowsCopilot.admx only sets the HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot registry value, not the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsCopilot included in the .reg file.

      This happens because line 16 in the WindowsCopilot.admx uses class=”User” which limits its effect User Configuration > Administrative Templates > … in Group Policy

      Changing it to class=”Both” would also allow setting the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE policy value using Group Policy via Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > … just like the .reg file.

      • #2606358

        Have you tried the “Both”? I couldn’t install it after I edited the .admx file.

        • #2606414

          Yup!

          I edited my version of WindowsCopilot.admx using notepad and changed class=”User” on line 16 to class=”Both” (note the B must be capitalized) and the option to “Turn off Windows Copilot” then appeared under both Computer Configuration and User Configuration.

          TurnOffCopilot

          And yes, I verified that enabling it under the Computer Configuration tree did set the appropriate registry value in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE exactly like the .reg file.

          I couldn’t install it after I edited the .admx file.

          Don’t understand?!?!

          You don’t install .admx/adml files, you copy them to the appropriate locations in C:\Windows\PolicyDefinitions.

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          • #2606419

            Capitalized “Both”.
            Couldn’t copy it into the PolicyDefinition folder. As Admin.

            • #2606425

              The owner of that folder is TrustedInstaller.

              In order to copy new files into it you need to ensure the Administrators group has Modify and Full control access like this.

              PolicyDefinitionsAccess

              What I did to achieve this while still leaving TrustedInstaller as the owner was to “temporarily” change the owner to Administrators, select the Disable inheritance option, select convert inherited permissions to explicit permissions and, after it was done converting the permissions, I set the owner back to TrustedInstaller (NT Service\TrustedInstaller).

              Still don’t really understand why some of the user groups have separate Modify permissions for just “This folder” and Full control for “Subfolders and files only” when the “This Folder, subfolders and files” setting can do both things with a single setting??

              But hey… this is Microsoft we’re talking about.

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          • #2606495

            Works!  I modified WindowsCopilot.admx per your posting (from “User” to “Both”) and it works.  Double checked via RegEdit and the settings are all there.  That said, if you don’t know what you are doing (with GP Edit) .. it’s better to download and use the .reg file.

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      • #2606439

        There’s a bit of a discrepancy between the registry entries the WindowsCopilot.admx can make and the ones the .reg file makes.

        Couldn’t the WindowsCopilot.admx file be rewritten so that there’s no discrepancy between the two?

      • #2606848

        Experiment – can we cheat Mother Microsoft?

        My Experiment:
        I restored my Win11 VM on my laptop back to my backup of 10/4 Buiid 22621.2283, pre Copilot .admx.
        I copied in the .admx file I had edited to “Both” and the original .adml file to the PolicyDefinitions. I checked to be sure that the “Both” was still there and  that there was a setting in Group Policy under “Windows Configuration.”

        Then I ran the 2023-11 update to Build 22621.2715.

        Guess what? The update overwrote the .admx file I had edited and it is back to Class = “User.”
        It also removed the Group Policy setting under “Windows Configuration,” but left the setting under “User Configuration.” The Registry HKLM setting was not affected.

        Seems it does no good to mess with Mother Microsoft.

        • #2606871

          Ok, a simplified explanation of how the Group Policy Templates work and why you experienced what you did.

          The .admx file contains the actual “policy settings” themselves while the .adml file only contains the “language-specific” text used for that specific policy (en-US = US English, en-GB = UK English, es-ES = Spain Spanish, es-MX = Mexico Spanish, etc, etc.)

            FYI, those codes are referred to as LCID’s and Microsoft’s full list is available at 2.1.1907 Part 4 Section 7.6.2.39, LCID (Locale ID)

          The class=”??” section in the admx file determines the “scope” the policy applies to and can be one of three different values:

            Machine = it only shows under “Computer Configuration” in Group Policy and changes only apply to the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE registry tree.

            User = it only shows up under “User Configuration” in Group Policy and changes only apply to the HKEY_CURRENT_USER registry tree.

            Both = it shows up under both sections in Group Policy and changes apply to both registry trees.


          @PKCano

          From what you experienced, it seems Microsoft intends for only individual users to be able to disable Windows Copilot rather than have it disabled on an entire PC (which doesn’t really make a lot of sense from an IT management perspective since, if we want to disable it via Group Policy, users shouldn’t be able to re-enable it by simply switching user accounts on their PC!)

          BTW, for anyone interested a deeper explanation of admx/adml files, Microsoft’s Understanding ADMX policies page is a good place to start.

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          • #2606873

            From what you experienced, it seems Microsoft intends for only individual users to be able to disable Windows Copilot and have {my bold} it disabled on the entire PC (which doesn’t really make a lot of sense from an IT management perspective since, if we want to disabled it, a user shouldn’t be able to re-enable it by simply switching to a different user account on their PC!)

            I wondering if the “have” here should be “has”, i.e., Microsoft has it disabled on the entire PC. This seems to be the meaning here, not individual users have it disabled on the entire PC.

            • #2606881

              My bad 😞

              It should have read “and not have it disabled on the entire PC”

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            • #2606893

              It should have read “and not have it disabled on the entire PC

              Thanks for editing it. It reads significantly differently now. It’s much clearer (and re-reminds me that the policy is “Turn off” and not “Turn on”).

          • #2606886

            I was well aware of the use of the .admx and .adml – certainly not the first time I have dealt with them. Only the first time I have tried to edit them to produce different results. Evidently, it seems MS will overwrite changes.

    • #2606253

      I updated with the following and it took 12 minutes from start to finish with 2 restarts.

      2023-11 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5032190)
      2023-10 Update for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB4023057)- this was already installed 9/14/23
      2023-11 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 11, version 22H2 for x64 (KB5032007)
      Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.119 (KB890830)

      I cleaned up a few things and went back to pause updates and there was another update.
      Windows Configuration Update (KB5030509)

      I got the Copilot preview in the taskbar but I turned it off so it wasn’t staring at me. I’ll decide later if I want to remove it completely.

      Edition Windows 11 Pro
      Version 23H2
      Installed on ‎10/‎19/‎2022
      OS build 22631.3155

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    • #2606256

      Win 10, Pro.  With each months update it changes my  START to the new version.  But since I still like the WIN 7  START look  I just click on the power shell and it reverts back to  the WIN 7  START .

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    • #2606257

      I managed to get CoPilot turned off for my Win 11 Machine. I do not have pro on my desktop and unsure where the .reg file is to disable CoPilot from my Windows 10 desktop.

    • #2606258

      I’ll decide later if I want to remove it completely.

      Copilot can’t be removed, only disabled.

      • #2606910

        Copilot can’t be removed, only disabled.

        For now..where there’s a will, there’s a way!

        Having typed that, ChrEdge is still nowhere to be seen on three W10 Pro devices here, and hasn’t been reintroduced since removal for over a year on W10 22H2.

        Win8.1/R2 Hybrid lives on...
    • #2606262

      That’s what I was wondering. I have it disabled on my laptop since I have win 11 pro. I just have win 10 home on my desktop. I see there is a solution posted by Susan. I’ll tackle that later today or tomorrow.

    • #2606299

      More confused than I was.

      I do not yet have CoPilot. Would like not to. I thought the GPEDIT was to prevent that. I prefer policy to registry. So is that correct? And if so, how does one use those two files for GPEDIT in Susan’s newsletter.

      I KNOW what GPEDIT is. I have used it. I am PRO Windows 10. I am ADMIN. Only need to know how to prevent copilot and what those files are for.

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    • #2606306

      If I understand this correctly, Windows 10 users will only get Copilot if they use Windows Update, and we don’t know when that will be for most. So if you don’t use Windows Update then there is nothing to worry about since Copilot simply won’t be installed and you don’t need to worry about doing anything with the registry to block it. Am I correct about that? Of course, this presupposes that Copilot will have its own update file that you will only be offered through Windows Update and that it will not be embedded in a regular monthly Cumulative Update.

      I no longer use Windows Update. I just wait for the go-ahead here on AskWoody and then manually download and install the updates I need that are listed in the current Master Patch List. I have not had any problems doing it that way. But I would not care for Copilot to sneak in through a manually downloaded Cumulative Update.

    • #2606307

      I use Win 10 Pro.  Never got last month’s update to work due to the missing files.  It worked this month, but talk about slow.  It took over an hour to download and install the main update, but at least it worked this month.

    • #2606313

      “There does seem to be a smattering of problems with File Explorer and Start menus. We continue to examine this and will have a further report soon, but here’s some guidance. For Windows 11 22H2 and 23H2, keep KB5032190: <https://askwoody.us19.list-manage.com/track/click?u=589ef6d038a469ebdf98dc000&id=b79bedec77&e=0af8e79f38&gt; in mind. For Windows 10, look for KB5032189: <https://askwoody.us19.list-manage.com/track/click?u=589ef6d038a469ebdf98dc000&id=722113d26c&e=0af8e79f38&gt;. Though these problems are not widespread, anyone using third-party tools for file management or replacement start menus should make sure the tools are completely up to date. If there are still problems, uninstall these two updates.”

      Now that you mention it, I noticed a while ago (but after Nov 14th) that I’d lost the entries in my old-style start menu, which I think is from a 3rd party.

      I tried your guidance, but didn’t see anything in the link for Win 10 about interaction with 3rd party file explorer-related software.

      I don’t think uninstalling the Nov 14th update will give me back all of my previous “previously used” start menu items, will it?

      Also, why is it still so hard to find my list of restore points in Win 10? Searching for it doesn’t bring up anything useful. In fact, one of the top “hits” in Settings is “Recovery Options”, but none of them tell how to get back to an earlier restore point. And the top item one can carelessly click on is the most drastic – RESET THIS PC. Why would they put that one first??

      The more I struggle with getting used to Win 10 (over 2 years now), the more I hate it and wish I could leave MS Windows behind, or at least stay with a stable version of Win 7 or even Win XP, the last 2 Windows versions that didn’t interfere with my daily tasks.

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    • #2606319

      I’m confused over blocking Copilot for Windows 10.  Susan’s Alert letters says:

      If you’d rather not be a participant in the AI revolution and want to wait for any bugs and issues to be resolved, remove Copilot from Windows (10 or 11) by downloading our Registry file to block Windows Copilot or by using our Group Policy files:

      Note the above are for corporate patchers with a domain.

      ” For Corporate Patchers” with a domain??  What does that mean, not consumers?

      Then:

      You get the group policy once either the preview is installed on your machine, or next month when the update for Windows 10 includes it.

      Does “next month” update mean the December CU, or November CU when installed next month?

      Then:

      Put the .admx file in C:\Windows\PolicyDefinitions. Put the .adml file in the en-US folder underneath.

      So Consumers can use the Group Policy files?  But their content will already be included in the November Cu? or December CU? or Neither one?

      Then there’s:

      “There’s a bit of a discrepancy between the registry entries the WindowsCopilot.admx can make and the ones the .reg file makes.”  at #2606244 above.

       

      Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
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      • #2606323

        Thanks for that post. At least I am not the only one that feels the posts and intructions need to be dumbed down one level so all can understand and more step by step complete so we do not have to ask each newsletter what is meant.

        I’d appreciate it. As you can see from my posts, I am still confused. And questions only seem to get partially answered. Do not assume what I (we) know and do not please.

        Thanks~

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      • #2606364

        Group policy is for Windows 10 pro.  They won’t work on Home computers.  I recommend the registry key which is effective as is.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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    • #2606328

      I will repeat my earlier question.

      If Windows Copilot is installed while updating a Windows 10 PC can it be removed using Revo Uninstaller or a similar app?

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      • #2606332

        It’s not uninstallable.  It can be blocked.  But it’s not a separate item that can be removed.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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      • #2606345

        If Windows Copilot is installed while updating a Windows 10 PC can it be removed using Revo Uninstaller or a similar app?

        I have not yet found a way to uninstall it (still searching), but completely removing Edge and Bing renders it impotent.

        Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
        We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

    • #2606333

      Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

    • #2606338

      Hee Haw I used the group policy editor and copilot is no where to be found.

      I’m so proud of myself!

      Edition Windows 11 Pro
      Version 23H2
      Installed on ‎10/‎19/‎2022
      OS build 22631.3155

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    • #2606339

      W 10 Pro, Got MSRT, KB5032339 .net, KB5032189 cum 22H2, SSU 10.0.19041.3684.

      1-The .NET update took over 2 1/2 hrs to install. It stopped at 44% and again at 75%.                 Update: That was on my AMD computer, on my intel computer .net installed in normal time. Not sure why the difference between computers.

      2- I can find NO CoPilot on my system. I opened gpedit and there is no listing for it in user config>Admin Templates>Windows Components. So far it hasn’t shown up on either of my computers. I use Windows Update to update my computers.

      Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
      All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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    • #2606392

      Window 10 Pro x64 22H2 on AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 8-Core Processor 3.90 GHz 16GB SSD+HD

      Just ran Windows Update (took an hour + 1/2 hr for 500GB of image backups). No signs of CoPilot. I have Open Shell menu system and despite not updating that s/w haven’t found any real issues. Only small issue was initially the bottom Start/Programs entry was hidden by the task bar but then appeared a bit later.

       

       

    • #2606402

      Can I assume that if I use the reg file, then at a later date care to try copilot, I change the dword from ending in 1 to ending in 0? Or something else?

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      • #2606408

        Yes.
        Same with changing the GP setting to Disabled.
        If you use both Registry and GP settings, you should turn off both disablements.
        See GP setting:
        Screenshot-2023-11-28-at-5.38.09-PM

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        • #2606411

          And why would one want to use boththe reg and gpedit solutions?

          • #2606412

            Choice. See #2606380

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            • #2606413

              Yourlink says:

               

              “The GP settings are for the Current User (under User Configuration not Computer Configuration).

              The .reg file has settings for both HKCU (H_Key_Current_User) and HKLM (H_Key_Local_Machine), so it covers both the Current User and Local Machine=computer”

              So that still does not explain why anyone would want to use BOTH. Seems to be an either or. “Choice” implies one or the other.  Let’s assume its my misunderstanding. Why would I want both?

            • #2606418

              I have already done both, several weeks ago.
              I have also uninstalled Edge and disabled Bing.
              I have also uninstalled and deprovisioned all the UWP Apps that are uninstallable.
              Does that explain where I’m coming form?? 🙂

          • #2606427

            You don’t have to.  I also wouldn’t manually add the ADMX/ADML files.  That group policy will be installed to Pro machines once the December patches get installed.  I only uploade ADMX and ADML for corporate patches using group policy in a domain.

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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            • #2606432

              Susan, If I read you correctly, I should do nothing about copilot until next month Updates since I have W10 Pro 22H2 and nothing showed up for copilot in the November update.

              Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
              All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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            • #2606442

              Susan, If I read you correctly, I should do nothing about copilot until next month Updates since I have W10 Pro 22H2 and nothing showed up for copilot in the November update.

              After reading and re-reading and piecing and re-piecing all of the posts about Copilot here, this is the conclusion I come away with, too …

              to which could be added :
              if we have Win10/Pro: after the December update is installed, we can use the Group Editor to turn Copilot off for both the User Configuration and the Computer Configuration

              if we don’t have Win10/Pro: we can run the .reg file to do the same thing that the GP edits do.

              Unfortunately, there is more than enough confusion stemming from the Alert info about measures for turning off/disabling Copilot, especially for those who don’t have the background knowledge to fill in the lacunae.

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            • #2606470

              I recommend doing the registry key now so you don’t have to worry about it in December.  I’m a proactive person and don’t like to wait for the icons to show up.

              Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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            • #2606676

              Ok, I did the reg file that was linked in the “latest” newsletter on 2 of my computers and still need to do it to my laptop so I should be good to go.

              Will I still need to edit Group Policy in December? Thanks

              Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
              All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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            • #2606433

              Oh, THAT’S what you meant by only for corporate users in a domain. Not that the files COULDN’T work, just that they were unnecessary if you can wait until December.

              I remember when I used to be able to follow everything you wrote! Now so much of it deals with Windows for Workmobs and Groups and Teams and Corporations and Conglomerates and Governments and Interplanetary Federations. I wish MS could fork off (so to speak) a stable, simpler version of Windows for One on One. (One person on One machine.) But not with all the compromises of the Home version.

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            • #2606469

              That’s why I say use the registry key if you are a Home/Consumer user.

              Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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            • #2606653

              I take “a Home/Consumer user” to include me, who
              (1) uses Win 10 Pro in my home (lower case, i.e. my place of residence), AND
              (2) is just myself, not part of any group (or Group, except the kind of Group that involves only one person on one PC on a home wifi network with no other PCs on it)

              Geez, this is so confusing and hard to express precisely when MS has incorporated common English words into its product definitions!

              Susan, not to beat this to death, but pow pow: when you say “Consumer”, I hope you mean it in the “lower case” sense, someone like me as described in item (2) above; I hope that you’re not referring to any MS product called “Consumer”!

            • #2606661

              You, as a home (small case h) User, are “Consumer” (as opposed to Business).

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            • #2606443

              Add me to the list of folks that have been totally confused by the numerous Q and A about what a simple consumer (eg grandpa, grandma, etc) needs to do to disable Windows CoPilot. As per CADesertRat, I need do nothing (no reg updates, no ADMX/ADML adds) for install of the November updates for Windows 10.

              Somebody please correct me if that is not correct.

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            • #2606468

              Just use the registry key.  Ignore the ADMX, ADML files.

              Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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            • #2606621

              Downloaded the reg key…now what? Using Win 10 Home.

            • #2606635

              Put it on your Desktop. Double click on it. Give it peermission.

    • #2606448

      45 minutes
      4 reboots
      5 restore points auto created
      no changes to File Manager or Start menu
      no copilot
      USB C still works

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    • #2606463

      I wish I had seen this article a week ago. I thought I had updates paused for another several weeks, but one morning (last week) I found that I had been updated to (Win 11), build 22H2, and immediately saw that file explorer wasn’t responding properly. I couldn’t open many system folders – including my external drives where my backups are stored. File explorer would freeze or crash attempting to open these folders. I didn’t know about KB5032190, and I couldn’t restore a system backup because file explorer couldn’t access the backups. Installing 23H2 didn’t help. I eventually found a way to go back to 21H2 while trying to boot into safe mode,and immediately thereafter, the crisis passed. I was/am using a third-party tool for file management/replacement of my start menu. Now I need to keep in mind about what to do (based on your suggestions in the article) to prevent a recurrence when i eventually run out of options to pause updating to 22H2 or 23H2.
      Thanks for the info … I though maybe it was just me/my system causing the problem. FWIW, this is the first time in almost 30 years that I have encountered an issue after installing updates … they used to be so much easier (prior to Win 10), to monitor update installs and to remove them if needed. Thanks, again.

    • #2606548

      FYI the link to the registry blocker file is broken at this writing.

      The online edition of the alert was corrected yesterday. A corrected version was emailed to Plus members a few moments ago.

      I take full responsibility for this error and apologize for any inconvenience. On the other hand, my inbox exploded. It’s always gratifying to know our readership is not only intensely interested in our content but also sophisticated enough to spot our mistakes. Keeps us on our toes. We appreciate it.

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    • #2606568

      I’m a ‘consumer’ running vanilla Win 10 Pro 22H2 with default Start menu but with Directory Opus file manager in place of Windows file manager. I update via Windows Update but I hide and then unhide updates each month before updating based on Susan’s recommendations here.

      After sipping through two full cups of coffee and wearing out the ‘Thanks’ link on both questions and responses as I worked my way down this long list of messages my takeaway for my situation (and others like me) is:

      Go ahead and install the November updates, check to verify that Directory Opus (or other third party file manager) is still behaving, check to see if USB-C is still working. Come back here for more help if needed. 🙂

      My still open questions are:

      I’ll follow Susan’s advice to use the .reg file to disable CoPilot. Should I do that preemptively now or wait until after the December updates?

      Given the apparently messy update situation for November does it make sense to skip the November updates altogether and just wait for the December updates? Those typically are pretty benign because of the holidays, right?

      Thanks!

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    • #2606569

      I will repeat my earlier question.

      If Windows Copilot is installed while updating a Windows 10 PC can it be removed using Revo Uninstaller or a similar app?

      Windows CoPilot cannot be uninstalled with Revo Uninstaller but Dev Home can.

      Mark

       

    • #2606551

      I’m using MS Windows 10 Pro 22H2. I have not installed any of the November 2023
      updates so far. On my desktop PC, using GPEDIT.MSC, there is no listing at all
      for Copilot. And the search dialog box from the Start Menu does not list
      anything about Copilot. Not sure if its relevant, but I am using Open-Shell
      since I don’t like how the start menu looks like in normal Windows 10.

      Since Windows Copilot is not in my Group Policy Editor, does that mean that in
      Win10 it only appears if one installs one or more of the Nov-2023 system updates that are for Win10? Even if we hide the Nov-2023 windows update patches, using
      WUSHOWHIDE.DIAGCAB, the December updates probably will still install Windows
      Copilot on my Win10 PC. Personally, I don’t care about copilot whatsoever, and
      don’t want it on my system permanently. I just HATE how Microsoft seems determined
      to shove Copilot into our lives and our computers.

    • #2606597

      Does anyone know what happened to 2023-11 .NET 6.0.25 Security Update for x64 Client (KB5032883) for Windows 10 22H2? I had it in my Windows Update queue up until around 23rd November, after which time it has since disappeared and has not returned, and nor can be found in wushowhide. Was it pulled like before? I expected it to reappear within a few days, but almost a week now and it’s yet to return.

      It’s not installed on my system either; the latest .NET security update I have installed is 6.0.24 which I installed with the October updates.

      • #2606605

        Still shows up in the Microsoft Update Catalog with last updated as 11/14/2023 so it doesn’t appear to have been “official” pulled by Microsoft.

        You could always manually download and install it instead of waiting to see if it reappears.

        • #2606711

          Yeah, I checked the MS Update Catalog earlier and saw it was still available there – all 1.3GB of it. Kind of surprised at the size to be honest, but yeah I’ll download the .msu from there if it’s not back in the WU queue when I come to install the November updates.

      • #2606679

        Does anyone know what happened to 2023-11 .NET 6.0.25 Security Update for x64 Client (KB5032883) for Windows 10 22H2?

        I hid my 2023-11 .NET 6.0.25 x64 Windows 10 22H2 (KB5032883) with WUSHOWHIDE when it came down the pike on Nov’s Patch Tuesday and it’s still there today.

    • #2606602

      3 is the lucky number

      Maybe, but I’m paid for 1.

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    • #2606677

      I am a little confused.

      Winver shows I am at the November build for Win 11 22H2 but I don’t see in the Windows Update/Update History applying that cumulative update. I went from Win 10 22H2 to Win 11 22H2 on the 25th of September and in the history it doesn’t show under Feature Updates. I do see KB4023057 on September 25th and again when I updated to this month on November 27th plus the Net Framework KB5032007.

    • #2606536

      My start menu was broken when KB5032190 installed.  I had to uninstall it to get start working again.  For some reason, incontrol did not stop this update from installing.  It happened again at a later time and I had to uninstall it a second time.  Also the link for the registry change to block copilot does not seem to work.  Thanks.

    • #2606897

      For me its been a bit rough, for the first time ever my Login Profile has been corrupted, not erased but just unusable. I have been able to return back to original but only after regedit reversals of profile .baks. I thought it was my uninstall of Commodo and or ASUS Armoury Crate that did this, but it seemed to be fine for a few days, now every other day it keeps reverting to default admin account or sometimes it creates a quick refresh install of windows but with minimal desktop content.
      Then discovered a couple of years ago that a windows update (KB4532693) corrupted a few things including the profile setup, have there been any reports that the latest update has performed these corruptions ?
      Thanks

      • #2607879

        For me its been a bit rough, for the first time ever my Login Profile has been corrupted, not erased but just unusable. I have been able to return back to original but only after regedit reversals of profile .baks. I thought it was my uninstall of Commodo and or ASUS Armoury Crate that did this, but it seemed to be fine for a few days, now every other day it keeps reverting to default admin account or sometimes it creates a quick refresh install of windows but with minimal desktop content.
        Then discovered a couple of years ago that a windows update (KB4532693) corrupted a few things including the profile setup, have there been any reports that the latest update has performed these corruptions ?
        Thanks

        EDIT, sorted.

        Both commands

        DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth

        and then

        sfc /scannow

        reset my system files and now it all works, but then most of you knew that :))

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    • #2607029

      For WIN10 – Copilot will not arrive to at least the Dec 2023 update.

      no, it already arrived in one of the late November 2023 preview updates like the newly released KB5032278 update for Windows 10 22H2 (at least for some people but not yet for a wide audience)

    • #2607037

      I’ve been informed by your many articles and I follow your patching information diligently for longer than I want to think about.

      You made two oops in this one article and you published corrections immediately. There’s a first (and second) time for everything,

      Your record for getting it right the first time is FAR better than Redmond’s and your record for correcting is immeasurably better than Redmind’s..

      But next year, go a little easier on the turkey!  🙂

       

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    • #2607070

      it already arrived in one of the late November 2023 preview updates

      November Preview updates will become December updates.

    • #2607090

      But next year, go a little easier on the turkey!

      Cut back on dinner to achieve AskWoody perfection? You raise a deep philosophical conundrum.

      I’m going with food.

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    • #2607159

      So I updated and it went mostly normal but after updating I get distributed com event 10010 errors in event log that say :

      “The server Windows.Gaming.Gamebar.PresenceServer.Internal.PresenceWriter did not register with DCOM within the required timeout”

      whenever I launch a game. Everything seems to work normally otherwise.

      Seems to be an MS muddle of somekind: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/getting-event-10010-errors-since-update-of/f6dcbbe6-6021-49e8-8424-06793a7c526f?page=1

      Jim.

    • #2607189

      Having followed the Group Policy Editor instructions to stop CoPilot by setting to Enabled, even after a Restart I can still use CoPilot and it still appears top right-hand corner of Edge.
      I am new to this, so what have I done wrong ?

    • #2607218

      … cookies.

      Browser cookies? Absolutely – not nibbling.

      Actual cookies? Let’s see, old, diabetic … yup, I’ll take one.

    • #2607445

      Updated both my Windows 11 Pro 22H2 and Windows 10 Home 22H2 machines with November patches (except the latest, boring version of KB4023057) using WUMgr. No issues to report, installation did seem to take a bit longer than usual, specifically in the reboot stage, but we are talking about just a few extra minutes than usual, nothing enormous.

      Still no sign of Copilot on the Windows 11 machine (not bad news): just wondering if that’s because EU policies continue to keep that thing from being unleashed on users this side of the Atlantic…

      Also, I noticed the Windows 11 machine now has a bell-shaped icon for notifications on the taskbar: I don’t need it, but can’t find any obvious way to get rid of it. I have tried also to entirely disable notifications, but the bell icon stubbornly refuses to disappear even when resorting to that option. Does anyone have suggestions to get rid of the bell icon?

    • #2607446

      Thanks for all the information so far. At this point, I think I understand that if I, a Windows 10 Home user, want to “disable” Copilot I have to do something with the registry. (Maybe before I update this week, maybe after, I’m not sure.)

      However, I also know that if I do anything even slightly wrong with the registry, I can severely and possibly permanently make my computer inoperable.

      Is there anything this Copilot does that would be worse than that? I’m just trying to decide whether it’s worth it. Thanks to anyone who can provide any guidance.

      • #2607482

        Is there anything this Copilot does that would be worse than that?

        No. Copilot doesn’t do anything you don’t ask it to do.

      • #2607525

        I wouldn’t normally make any changes to my PC’s registry, but I do trust Susan’s little .reg files. And I had enough problems with the Copilot added to my Bing search bar a little while ago; every time I wanted to check something out quickly online, it tried desperately to engage me in meaningless philosophical conversation. It took me about a week to find out how to shut it up. There’s no way I want that AI on my computer, which is after all an extension of my brain (or it feels like it!).

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    • #2607476

      However, I also know that if I do anything even slightly wrong with the registry, I can severely and possibly permanently make my computer inoperable.

      Not if you regularly create (very much recommended) image copies before any system changes.

      You can also export the registry before committing any changes, and restore if needed.

      • #2611603

        Do you have easy instructions/links for how to back up/restore registry in laymen’s terms? Must be rote to you! Local admin, local user accts only, Win 10 22H2.  Thank you in advance:)

    • #2607806

      When they intend to release the optional update KB5032288 for public?

      https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2023/11/16/releasing-windows-11-builds-22621-2787-and-22631-2787-to-the-release-preview-channel/

      [ADDED 12/1] New! This update starts the roll out of account-related notifications for Microsoft accounts on the Settings homepage. A Microsoft account connects Windows to your Microsoft apps.

    • #2608469

      Windows 11, version 23H2 known issues and notifications | Microsoft Learn

      Not related to patching but side effects nonetheless

      Some issues related to printer configurations are being observed on Windows devices which have access to the Microsoft Store. Microsoft is investigating this issue and coordinating with partners on a solution.

      Symptoms can include the following:

      Some Windows 10 and Windows11 devices are installing the HP Smart App.
      Printers are renamed as HP printers regardless of their manufacturer. Most are being named as the HP LaserJet M101-M106 model. Printer icons might also be changed.
      Double clicking on a printer displays the on-screen error “No tasks are available for this page”.
      Note: Printing processes are not expected to be affected by this issue. It should be possible to queue printing jobs as usual, as well as other features such as copying or scanning. Printers on the device will continue to use the expected drivers for printer operations.

      As the symptoms are related to the automatic installation of the HP Smart app, Windows devices which do not have access to the Microsoft Store are not expected to be affected by this issue.

      Next steps: We are investigating this issue and will provide an update when more information is available. If you need support for this issue, go to https://support.microsoft.com/contactus, and select Windows.

      Affected platforms:

      Client: Windows 11, version 23H2; Windows 11, version 22H2; Windows 11, version 21H2; Windows 10, version 22H2; Windows 10, version 21H2; Windows 10, version 1809; Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019; Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2016; Windows 10, version 1607; Windows 10 Enterprise 2015 LTSB
      Server: Windows Server 2022; Windows Server, version 1809; Windows Server 2019; Windows Server 2016; Windows Server 2012 R2; Windows Server 2012

      Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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      • #2609608

        Printer names and icons might be changed and HP Smart app automatically installs

        ..Note: Our investigations indicate that this issue is not caused by an HP update. In most cases, it should be possible to use the printer as expected, including queueing printing jobs, as well as other features such as copy, scan, or fax. Printers on the device will continue to use the expected drivers for printer operations. However, this issue might affect associations with other manufacturer-supplied printer apps used to extend basic printer capabilities. If this is the case, some or all of those extended functions might not work…

        Next steps: We are investigating this issue and will provide an update when more information is available..

    • #2609689

      Just noticed two apps that were not on one of our computers prior to the November update:

      • Thumbnails Setup and
      • Mixed Reality Portal

      Never saw them before and no idea how they made it onto the computer.

      The only change that we made to the system since the update was the installation of an old copy of TurboCAD Designer 19.

      • #2609748

        Just noticed two apps that were not on one of our computers prior to the November update…

        Hi Kathy Stevens:

        What is the OS, and was the computer re-imaged with a custom image after purchase?  The Mixed Reality Portal UWP (Microsoft Store) app was bundled with my Win 10 v22H2 OS and was installed on my computer when it shipped from the factory.  Mine is currently at version 2000.21051.1282.0, but I don’t need it and just haven’t bothered uninstalling it.

        Win-10-Pro-v22H2-Settings-Apps-and-Features-Mixed-Reality-Portal-08-Dec-2023

        I can’t find an app or widget on my computer (or on the Microsoft Store) called Thumbnails Setup.
        ————
        Dell Inspiron 5584 * 64-bit Win 10 Pro v22H2 build 19045.3693 * Firefox v120.0.1 * Microsoft Defender v4.18.23110.3-1.1.23110.2 * Malwarebytes Premium v4.6.6.294-1.0.2201 * Macrium Reflect Free v8.0.7690

        • #2609968

          Imacri

          The computer in question (an HP ENVY Desktop 795-0050) is currently running Windows 10 Pro 22H2, OS build 19045.3693, Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.19053.1000.0.

          It was last updated on ‎11/‎28/‎2023.

          The workstation was originally setup on 2/26/2019 and apparently re-imaged on 2/‎7/‎2023.

      • #2609780

        Thumbnails Setup is a part of TurboCAD.

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    • #2611642

      Do you have easy instructions/links for how to back up/restore registry in laymen’s terms? Must be rote to you! Local admin, local user accts only, Win 10 22H2.  Thank you in advance:)

      You just select Export in Regedit and restore by Import

      You can export/import a single key

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