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    ISSUE 18.45.1 • 2021-11-22 By Susan Bradley The big news last week was Microsoft’s finally releasing Windows 10 version 21H2 and aligning the Windows
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    Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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    • #2403066

      Susan,

      the Defcon banner still says Defcon 2.

      John

      Dell Inspiron 7580 i7 16GB Win 10 pro 21H1

    • #2403084

      Level 3 is not a particularly confidence inspiring endorsement to patch. What exactly is Susan recommending? Apply the November patch now or wait some more? Is a clearer recommendation to patch planned?

    • #2403085

      Level 3 is not a particularly confidence inspiring endorsement to patch. What exactly is Susan recommending? Apply the November patch now or wait some more? Is a clearer recommendation to patch planned?

      I was wondering the same thing.  Susan’s comments for consumers/home users are quite cryptic.  I don’t know if should update to 21H2 or not.  Also the header still says DEFCON-2 and WuMgr doesn’t even show 21H2 for my PC yet.  Thanks

      • #2403099

        Susan’s advice from the other day was to hold off on Win 10 21H2 for the time being. It’s been out less than a week or so. It is a “go” or “not yet” that I am looking for with reference to the Nov. update patch.

        • #2403115

          Go for November. If you have printing problems install the preview updates that came out yesterday (see the master patch list)

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

      • #2403114

        I have to manually flip it and went to bed last night before doing so.  Apologies.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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    • #2403067

      Susan,

      after you cleared the Windows update last month, October , my two Windows 10 21H1 .notepads took 2 hours to download and install whatever it was that came down , and restart.

      I just took a look at the updates that were supposed to be in stalled, but the latest update that i can see in the Windows Update History, was dated  First of October, can you tell me if there is some where else that they could have been Placed, or will this new Windows !0 Home Version   21 H 2  overwrite this problem, as you will know , i am virtually Conputer illiterate. sorry this is not about printing, but to me it is a real problem, as i have not yet tried to update, and the updates are still turned off

      roger3

      • #2403101

        Further to my previous comment, I have the update locked out until November 30th, so it does give me a few days, But being in Australia, I am in the day prior the US. And being Computer illiterate, does the lock come off by itself?

        roger3,

        • #2403109

          If you have it Paused, the pause will end and the updates will automatically download and install when that happens.

      • #2403117

        Go into windows update history screen and can you list what updates have been installed?

        start

        Settings

        Windows update

        View update history

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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        • #2403230

          Hi Susan,

          besides being almost computer illiterate, i am also a one finger typist, so i tooka screen shot, which is sitting on the Taskbar as a word pad (my only means of copying) Document , But besides being able to open it , i cannot place it in  the Gmail Entry sending Box.

          Also as forbeing i the Forum , thatwas suggested by a response to my original email to you, as i stated , i am almostcomputer illiterate, but things hav echangedfrom XP, and Windows 7, and i am having prob[ems keeping up, withthe rate at whuch things are now changing.
          Regards, roger3

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          • #2403232

            You can pop me an email at sb – at – askwoody.com (change the – at – to @)

            Y0u aren’t computer  illiterate at all!  Save it to a place on your computer – like “downloads” and then in the gmail interface find where there is a paperclip.  Now click there and browse to the downloads folder and attach the file you created and send it to me.

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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    • #2403100

      By definition, DEFCON-3 says:

      MS-DEFCON 3
      There are widespread problems with current patches. It is prudent to patch but check your results carefully.

    • #2403112

      I’m on Win 7 Pro 64-bit, and when I went to MS Update Catalog to get the latest patches in Susan’s patch list, I got warnings that the connection was not secure – it was http not https.  Downloaded them anyway and checked them with Avast and Malwarebytes before installing.

      What do you think?

      • #2403141

        Yes, MS uses http instead of https for the doenload. But if it’s from the Catalog, it’s safe to download and use. My browser (FF) gives a warinig also.

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      • #2403149

        @glnz & PKCano

        this is normal for the warnings to show up in recent Firefox & Chrome versions (esp. Chrome 95 & later and with Firefox 93/94 & newer)

        I don’t get the warnings when using alternative browsers like Palemoon, Seamonkey or K-meleon to download files from MS Update Catalog http server

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      • #2403187

        This recent security feature “default” in newer versions of Firefox can be disabled as described by Martin Brinkmann here

        1. Load about:config in the Firefox address bar.
        2. Confirm that you accept the risk.
        3. Search for dom.block_download_insecure.
        4. Use the toggle icon to set the value to
        1. TRUE: to keep the security feature enabled.
        2. FALSE: to disable the security feature.

        Win7 - PRO & Ultimate, x64 & x86
        Win8.1 - PRO, x64 & x86
        Groups A, B & ABS

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        • #2403214

          That makes me wince a bit if you disable that.  It’s not just for downloads that you are disabling that.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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          • #2403258

            Good point but … I’m not at all suggesting disabling it … just saying Firefox’s current default setting (True) can be set back to the way it was (False) prior to Firefox version 92 for those who might want (or need) to … like maybe temporarily when using current versions of Firefox to download dozens of files from Microsoft’s “mixed content” Microsoft Update Catalog website …

            Win7 - PRO & Ultimate, x64 & x86
            Win8.1 - PRO, x64 & x86
            Groups A, B & ABS

        • #2403272

          You don’t need to disable the protection.
          If you click on the “downloads” icon in the FF menubar, it gives you a one-time (for that file) opportunity to download the file anyway. You have to do this for each file, but at least the protection remains in place.

      • #2403190

        Thanks all.  Happy we’re in the same boat.  Happy turkey.

    • #2403193

      I just got my first Windows 10 pc a few weeks ago (Win 10 Pro).  It updated to 20H2.  Since then I’ve had it on pause.  If I end the pause, is there a way I can make it update to 21H1 instead of going straight to 21H2?

      EDIT:  I just Googled up Susan’s Computerworld article, which appears to have all the info I need (and more):

      https://www.computerworld.com/article/3232632/how-to-block-windows-10-version-21h2-and-windows-11-from-installing.html

      • #2403208

        Spoke too soon.  I’m on 20H2 on my 2-week-old Win 10 pc (Pro), but after un-pausing, all it’s offering in terms of feature update is 21H2.  Am I better off sticking with 20H2 until 21H2 gets the thumbs up here?  My pc is for personal use, not business.

        • #2403212

          Since you’re on the Pro edition, you don’t need to pause updates; instead you can use the Group Policy editor to manage settings. It’s worth taking a good read through AKB2000016 – Sections 3 & 4 in particular as they pertain to relevant settings for Windows 10 Pro.

          I’d suggest staying on 20H2 for now, or 21H1 – either is fine. You should be able to prevent 20H2 from installing by setting the Target Release Version settings in Group Policy.

          See an earlier post of mine #2400272 where another user was having similar issues getting set up properly with GP/WU settings. Once it’s done it’s much easier to manage.

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    • #2403194

      I assume cell J74 in the Excel sheet “Listings of November’s updates” in the Master Patch List should also have the text “Pick one or the other” in it.

      Windows 10 Home 21H1, non-techie

    • #2403204

      On my Win 10 Pro 64-bit computer (limited to 21H1 per Susan’s group policy method), new update KB5007186 is taking forever.   More than three hours and I’m only up to 74%.  Slowest update I’ve seen so far.

      Hope it finishes before Thanksgiving.

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      • #2403209

        That update was the slowest for me, but still “only” took maybe 15-20 minutes.  Funny thing is, I was also stuck at 74% installed for awhile, but in my case “awhile” was maybe 5-10 minutes.

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    • #2403205

      Susan, why do you say to defer the dot net updates?

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      • #2403207

        When I un-paused updates, it immediately did “checking for updates,” and installed the .Net updates in addition to the others.  In addition to the question of *why* defer, I’d also like to ask *how* to defer.  I’m new to Win 10 (Win 10 Pro).

        • #2403216

          .NETs are confusing.  There are no new security content in them and depending on your deferral settings, you may not see them.  If you get them, I’m not tracking any side effects so they are okay to install.  If you don’t get them, don’t worry.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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    • #2403220

      Thanks. I have always kept mine up to date with no issues so was curious why it is marked defer.

    • #2403297

      Anyone know any details on issues with the Microsoft Installer (MSI) in November updates? I have noticed that KB5007247 notes an issue with Kaspersky apps but it sounds as if it could be more general issue of installer corrupting app updates. It seems to impact all the OS updates for November.

      • #2403306

        I’ve only seen it in relation to Kaspersky Endpoint.   No other application.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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    • #2403323

      Did a clone and a restore point of one of my computers and went for it this morning.

      MSRT, KB 5007186 Cum 21H1 19043.1348, SSU 10.0.19041.1310. So far all is ok, I printed a test page from my HP Officejet Pro 8100 ok so the printer problem hasn’t affected me so far.

      Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
      All W10 Pro at 21H1,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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      • #2404019

        Updated my other Desktop and Laptop with no problems also.

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        All W10 Pro at 21H1,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

    • #2403387

      This morning on my check for updates I got

      KB5006253 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 10 Version 21H2 for x64-based Systems
      KB5007289 Cumulative Update Preview for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 21H2

      No hiccups.

      All is quiet on the Windows 11 21H2 front.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
      "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns
      "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

    • #2403503

      Changing the feature release cadence for Windows to an annual schedule is long overdue.

      Sure, but it’s still too often.

      It’s an operating system, not an application.

      -Noel

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      • #2403504

        If they can keep it to be non disruptive, it’s better than the old service packs that were extremely disruptive.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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        • #2403564

          I can certainly appreciate your point of view, but think for a moment – why shouldn’t an operating system upgrade be disruptive?

          I’m all for compatibility with older releases, and continuous integration (implying only incremental change) feels SO comfortable, but where are the real improvements in recent history to prove out the approach?

          What does Windows 10 REALLY do better than Windows 8.1 did some 8 years ago?

          From what I can see it’s just got more bloat; things that used to be a lot faster are now slower, the UI is certainly not as elegant looking, nor is it as configurable to do what I need. And it’s not as reliable or polished at interpreting my inputs. In short, it’s gotten clunkier. Please provide examples if you think this is not so!

          Recently I tried to nail down a list of Windows 10 features and behaviors that are better for what I do – software engineering and business management – than when I used its predecessors, and I seriously could not even begin to make a significant list…

          For a while I thought multiple monitor handling might be better, because my icons on my desktop had stayed in place for a long while, but no, just the other day they all got jumbled. I suspect 8 years of maintenance on Windows 8.1 would have led to fewer desktop glitches too.

          Does it stay up longer? No! Notwithstanding monthly updates REQUIRING reboot (remember when they were trying to get away from forcing that?), I still have to reboot a few times a month. Windows 7 and 8.1 could run for years.

          Is the UI easier to use? No. I have to deconfigure most of the “handy” snap and whatnot to keep it from unpleasantly surprising me. And I have to add software to help keep the mouse from catching at the corners of my monitors. And the security hoops folks have to jump through so often – do they make it any easier to get work done?

          Is it faster? No. Slower! Today I get, on modern high-end hardware, virtually the same UX performance as I got on my prior workstation running Win 8.1. There’s so much software bloat added that it has taken a machine with more than double the performance specs in every area and made it act the same or even more sluggish than its predecessor. You may wonder how I could judge that but I have been using both the older and newer environments simultaneously. I also have hard evidence – benchmark results taken over decades – to prove Windows 10 has just been getting slower and slower at doing the same things… So often in the name of “Security” (remember the Spectre and Meltdown hype?), yet does anyone really feel we’re more secure today taking a Windows system online than we were 10 years ago?

          Maybe a whole new version number release shouldn’t just be a “rebranding” but actually a whole redesign every 3 to 5 years.

          You might think I’m asking for disruption, and lord knows as my hair gets whiter the last thing I personally need is disruption, but I can’t be the only one who feels we’re simply stagnated and making no more progress in high tech here. Hanging more apps on an OS and interweaving them in ways no one undo isn’t progress.

          -Noel

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          • #2403592

            What does Windows 10 REALLY do better than Windows 8.1 did some 8 years ago?

            I dual boot.  I’m running Windows 10 on the same hardware on which I was running 8.1.  I have upgraded some drives from HDD to SSD, but Windows has booted from the same SSD.  Windows 10 boots to a usable desktop faster than 8.1, which was on a par with Windows 7.  I dual booted 7/8, then 7/8.1.  When 10 was released, I started dual booting 8.1/10, so I got a very direct comparison.  After I tired of 8.1, I was dual-booting two configurations of Windows 10.

            … the UI is certainly not as elegant looking, nor is it as configurable to do what I need. And it’s not as reliable or polished at interpreting my inputs. In short, it’s gotten clunkier.

            I haven’t used a Windows UI since Windows 8, when I installed StartIsBack (and have kept updated through its various iterations).  It looks, acts and feels just like Windows 7, for a whopping $4.99 lifetime license fee.  I got mine for $2.99 back in the Windows 8 days.

            So my UI has not changed in all these years.  I often wonder why those folks who complain so bitterly about the UI don’t simply change it?  There are free versions available that mimic Windows 7 UI very well indeed, and are quite configurable.

            For a while I thought multiple monitor handling might be better, because my icons on my desktop had stayed in place for a long while, but no, just the other day they all got jumbled.

            I have a 32″ monitor, so I don’t really need multiple monitors.  After pricing multiple monitors, one big one was less expensive.

            Does it stay up longer? No! Notwithstanding monthly updates REQUIRING reboot (remember when they were trying to get away from forcing that?),

            I dual boot, so that is not an issue.  As far as rebooting for an update/upgrade, overwriting a system file that is open and in use is not a trivial matter; rebooting is understandable and not that big a hassle for me.  How is a restart after “Active hours” disruptive?  I never actively update/upgrade my NAS, it gets the push from Microsoft.  It stays updated and I never notice any disruption, because I’m asleep when it happens.

            Is the UI easier to use?

            Why is that an issue when there are other (many free) UI’s available to use?  The first thing I did with Windows 8 was change the UI.  StartIsBack has a Windows 11 version called StartAllBack that retains the Windows 7 UI and completely gets rid of the Mac-ish UI of Windows 11.  I have never felt compelled to stay inside the Microsoft box.

            Is Windows 10 faster?  Without a doubt, and I can say that with conviction because I dual boot, and I have checked each Windows version against its predecessor by booting back and forth between older and newer.   I’m running it on the same hardware platform that I used since Windows 7 Pro.

            I have made some hardware upgrades.

            I have also made some Windows alterations.  But in every case, I evaluate older versus newer via dual boot.  I’m now dual booting Windows 10/11.  So far I see Windows 11 (under the hood, after getting the Mac UI out of the way) as a very minor update for Windows 10.

            For my use as a platform supporting the things I want to do with my PC, Windows 10 is more reliable, efficient and stable than its predecessors.  Networking is more reliable.

            Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
            "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns
            "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

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          • #2403597

            Maybe you should just go back to Windows 7/8 and stay there?  You seem to be fairly adverse to change.

             

            Windows 10 (and now Windows 11) works great here, my PCs run better than ever.  I have 4 personal machines, 2 on Win 10 and 2 on Win 11 and everything is running great.  I can’t remember the last time I had an actual crash or BSOD.  I also manage a fleet of corporate Windows/Mac/Linux machines, I’ve had more issues with the Mac’s in the last year than the Windows/Linux machines.

             

            I’ve run every Windows OS Microsoft has ever released, and other than Windows 98/SE which seemed to require multiple daily reboots and almost monthly formats for me (I ended up staying on Windows 2000 until XP was released), each release has been incrementally better than the last.  Yes, even Vista, but some releases were better than others, but always better overall.

            • #2403746

              LOL, I’m speaking from anything BUT my own perspective here. I’m advocating for bigger change if anything. But change for the better!

              And I DO reconfigure my desktop, heavily, with OpenShell among many other things, to be better than the out-of-box desktop. I used to be able to resurrect bordered windows, but not any more. I used to be able to have a mouse that didn’t stick at monitor corners, but not any more (without add-on software). I used to be able to have the things I want on the right-click context menu. Now that menu (with Win 11) has gotten more difficult to get to. There are a dozen other tiny degradations of the desktop that an adept user can see (ever have it miss a Control-C character, and did that ever happen for you with an older version? Ever accidently click the close box for the wrong overlapping window?).

              Even with a system that changes incrementally, I noticed that neither of you above have named anything useful that actually got better. It’s an operating system… It should not NEED to be rebooted. Thus bootup time (which is actually about the same as its predecessors if you don’t “fake it” with Fast Boot) is irrelevant!

              And FWIW I have 4 monitors, three of which are 30 inchers. This isn’t a contest to see who’s the bigger geek; I’d like it to be a genuine conversation about what’s actually been made better after more than half a decade of Windows 10.

              And if it’s NOT actually getting any better, what should be done differently to get back to where it’s not just idling in place?

              -Noel

            • #2403801

              LOL, I’m speaking from anything BUT my own perspective here.

              I used to be able to

              I used to be able to

              I used to be able to

              It seems I’ve missed your context there.

              Even with a system that changes incrementally, I noticed that neither of you above have named anything useful that actually got better. It’s an operating system… It should not NEED to be rebooted.

              I dual boot.  I have been doing so for more than twenty years.  As a consequence, I do reboot fairly often.  On the other hand, by running two iterations of an OS on exactly the same hardware, I can get a meter and measure of how the two compare in doing the things for which I use a PC.  I use the same software in both sides, primarily audio editing and video editing, as well as coding for my website.

              I always compare the older with the newer, with the one that performs better as a platform for the things I want to do as my primary OS.  Windows 8 never became my primary OS.

              When I was dual booting 7/8.1 (with StartIsBack as my menu) I found myself spending more of my time using 8.1.  Both were reliable and efficient, with Windows 8.1 getting the nod for less futzy networking.

              When Windows 10 was RTM, I upgraded the Windows 7 side of my dual boot in order to compare 8.1 to 10.  Windows 10 quickly became my platform of choice.  Networking was improved.

              What is better in Windows 10?  I don’t see it unless I want to.  My network is readily available in File Explorer.  Task Scheduler does numerous routine maintenance odds and ends with alacrity.  I’m finding that Windows 11 is equally adept at these tasks.

              When I start my coffee Sunday morning I plug one of a pair of 3TB drives into the drive bay on my NAS and copy my latest drive images.  When they’re finished, I plug in the other and do the same.  I have daily triplicates of all my data, with live updates to OneDrive.

              I used to be able to have the things I want on the right-click context menu. Now that menu (with Win 11) has gotten more difficult to get to.

              I use StartAllBack in Windows 11.

              Folder-context-menu

              File-context-menu

              In addition I have some .reg files that I have developed, cultivated, pruned and expanded over various Windows installations that keep Windows out of my way.  I’ve used these .reg files since Windows XP, so all versions of Windows get a pretty even comparison in my dual boot scenario.

              Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
              "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns
              "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

          • #2403855

            “Is the UI easier to use?”

            Absolutely correct, and this is just ONE of your points with which I agree.

            A quick review of initial threads on any new “version” of the Windows OS is a flood of comments about “the new user interface”, or “the new IMPROVED  user interface”, or perhaps “the new IMPROVED user interface now with added RINSO”, but the user is neither new nor improved.

            The user has yet-another-learning-hill to climb. Typically “Where did they put the reboot button this time”. Win10 is laughable: “Control Panel is dead; you must use Settings”. which immediately propels you into Win7 Control Panel for essential tasks sduch as System Restore Points.

             

            I agree: A rock-bottom redesign of the o/s, starting with management of the user’s files and including malware security, put that out as a basic kit. Simple. Fast. Lean etc, and then provide add-ons for those that require them. After forty years in the O/s development business, MSoft ought to be able to do that.

             

            My most telling account of Windows o/s failure is when I set out to purchase a new laptop 18 months ago.  The overwhelming advice was “get a laptop with an SSD drive”, which warned me that an o/s that was supposed to be good at managing my files had become so bloated that it was inept at managing its own files.

            Turned out to be just so.

            Cheers

            Chris

            Unless you're in a hurry, just wait.

    • #2403612

      I installed 2021-10 for 2004 on 11/1..then updated to 21H1 on 11/2. No updates since then. Did the update of 21H1 include the 2021-10 security updates for that 21H1 version?

      Thanks

      • #2403618

        Did the update of 21H1 include the 2021-10 security updates for that 21H1 version?

        Yes, because 2004 through 21H1 (and, maybe, 21H2) share the same code base, so the update for 2004 from October covered the 21H1 installation as well. Since you say that you went from 2004 to 21H1 on November 2nd, the update to 21H1 might have included the preview release of the November Quality Update for 21H1 as part and parcel of the upgrade process.

        I installed 2021-10 for 2004 on 11/1..then updated to 21H1 on 11/2. No updates since then.

        I added the emphasis in the quote right above. By “No updates since then” I hope you mean that you have not installed any updates since then. You should have been offered the November updates by now that were released on November the 9th, unless you established a deferred updates setting after the upgrade from 2004 to 21H1.

    • #2403810

      Can Woody come back? He never placed info behind walls:

       

      Master Patch List

       

      I can not register account with woody and he understood why. Now seems the new leader has lost that vision.

       

      Can someone recommend another site  including dark net sites that has this similar info other than askwoody.com?

       

      Thank you.

      • #2403812

        The master patch list has always been reserved for plus members even when Woody was here.   Remember a mere $1 donation is all you need to obtain this information.  You can use any number of sites with throw away email addresses to register.  If you have a question about a specific patch, please ask.  But to say that Woody never placed my information behind a paywall, you are forgetting that my Master patch list has always been reserved for plus members.

         

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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        • #2403815

          P.S. if you are having issues printing, holler, there are some workarounds including the preview updates. If you are running Windows 10 merely click on check for updates and you will be offered the preview updates.  If that doesn’t work, holler.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

      • #2404218

        To Anonymous, I, as an almost 80 year old’ who never used any computers up until the late norties , Except for Basic, and with 9.5 Kb data transfer, have always found that this site has always been most helpful.

        I cannot agree with your assertation  that information is  been behind a paywall.

        As a Manager in a State  Government in my Country, Australia, I have always reached out , and never had my calls rejected, the new charge for an SMS message to notify when th3  of the Defcon Series. Is safe to use, is quite reasonable, as it uses the Telephone lines.

        I had staff to do all of my computer work, soi never bothered to learn until I retired.

        Susan is doing a fantastic job, and o; my aged Pension, or would pay more if I needed to,

        roger3

      • #2404274

        There was a flaw that allowed it to view it without pay it. Woody did not know about it. It seems to have been fixed now. Good luck try to find another flaw to view it. Otherwise. pay the toll to view it.

         

        Edit:

        I think the reCaptcha are for AI road teaching them what to avoid.

    • #2403818

      I’ll install 21H2 before 20H2 expires in may 2022. I wait around march or april to do the update and when there is an okay from the pros here on installing it. The tricky part will be finding the perfect time and date to initiate the process while also saving everything on the drive in advance before the update. But since my wifi is now 5hdz or that-I think this time the update will run smoothly then taking a WHOLE half evening/morning kinda ordeal and I can keep awake depending on the day i initiate it.

       

    • #2403948

      Updated my two PCs with November patches through WUMgr as follows, no apparent issues to report:

      1) Windows 10 Pro 21H1 -> installed 2021-11 Cumulative update (KB5007186) and MSRT 5.95 (KB890830);

      2) Windows 10 Home 20H2 -> installed 2021-11 Cumulative update (KB5007186), MSRT 5.95 (KB890830), and several Office 2013 November patches.

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    • #2403950

      The tricky part will be finding the perfect time and date to initiate the process

      There shouldn’t be any tricky parts.
      20H2 to 21H1 is 2 minutes download/install that sets some switches ON.
      21H1 to 21H2 is the same.

      The above is true providing you are up to date with CUs and servicing stacks.

      Use WUmgr to download and update.

    • #2404151

      “Is the UI easier to use?”

      Absolutely correct, and this is just ONE of your points with which I agree.

      A quick review of initial threads on any new “version” of the Windows OS is a flood of comments about “the new user interface”, or “the new IMPROVED  user interface”, or perhaps “the new IMPROVED user interface now with added RINSO”, but the user is neither new nor improved.

      The user has yet-another-learning-hill to climb. Typically “Where did they put the reboot button this time”. Win10 is laughable: “Control Panel is dead; you must use Settings”. which immediately propels you into Win7 Control Panel for essential tasks sduch as System Restore Points.

       

      I agree: A rock-bottom redesign of the o/s, starting with management of the user’s files and including malware security, put that out as a basic kit. Simple. Fast. Lean etc, and then provide add-ons for those that require them. After forty years in the O/s development business, MSoft ought to be able to do that.

       

      My most telling account of Windows o/s failure is when I set out to purchase a new laptop 18 months ago.  The overwhelming advice was “get a laptop with an SSD drive”, which warned me that an o/s that was supposed to be good at managing my files had become so bloated that it was inept at managing its own files.

      Turned out to be just so.

      Cheers

      Chris

      As per your last remark, are you really arguing that we should never have to upgrade hardware, do you even have any idea how big a performance difference SSD offers?  Should we be running the same equipment from the 90’s to run modern Operating Systems?  Just because you need newer hardware doesn’t mean the OS is worse than its predecessor, are you trying to say that because Windows 10 won’t run on my Pentium II it’s an inferior OS?  If you can’t keep up or are unwilling to, you probably shouldn’t be using computers very much.

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        As per your last remark, are you really arguing that we should never have to upgrade hardware…

        Should we be running the same equipment from the 90’s to run modern Operating Systems?

        Nope, that’s not what he said, friend.

        are you trying to say that because Windows 10 won’t run on my Pentium II it’s an inferior OS?

        No, I’m pretty sure “won’t run on my Pentium II” wouldn’t make anyone’s top ten list of why they consider Windows 10 to be an inferior OS.

        But fwiw, I’m posting this reply using an old hp box (mid-2007-ish) with a Pentium processor (yes, dual-core) running linux… so maybe excessive bloat isn’t strictly necessary for an OS to “advance”?

        Hope this helps.

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      Sorry I’m late for this month’s report but I’ve been busy later.  :0

      November patches installed with no problems to report on Win 8.1. 🙂

      Installation Successful: Windows successfully installed the following update: 2021-11 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, 4.7.2, 4.8 for Windows 8.1 for x64 (KB5007301)

      Installation Successful: Windows successfully installed the following update: 2021-11 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems (KB5007247)

      Group "A"- Win 8.1 x64
      Win 10 ver. 21H1 x64

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      • #2404220

        Thank You for the 8.1 report!

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        JD
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