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    ISSUE 19.39.1 • 2022-09-27 By Susan Bradley September updates have few side effects. It’s always nice when the monthly update process is calm, with no
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    • #2482753

      For those of you with iPhones, you may have noticed the offer of both iOS 15.7 and the new feature release of iOS 16. For now, I’m recommending sticking with 15.7. I’m tracking several bugs with iOS 16, but the good news is that they are slated to be fixed soon. These bugs are most often seen when taking pictures or videos with Instagram or TikTok; they cause shaky videos or blurry images. Taking images with the native camera works fine.

      Some users are reporting annoying clicks and pop-ups after the upgrade to iOS 16, due to additional requirements for privacy in the operating system. For example, every cut-and-paste action results in a request for approval, such as “Do you want to allow this?” It’s unclear whether this bug will be adjusted in the near future.

      All these bugs have been fixed in iOS 16.0.2.
      There is no need to stay on iOS 15 providing your iPhone is iOS 16 compatible.

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    • #2482758

      It’s always nice when the monthly update process is calm,

      Calm? ….
      I lost all control of my Intel HD Graphics controllerA not well-behaved September NoThankYou Microsoft

      * _being virtually exiled in some Guantánamo Bay ought to be forbidden_ *
      • #2482760

        Intel Graphic Command Center is intact on my Windows 10 Pro 21H2.

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          good for you 🫤

          * _being virtually exiled in some Guantánamo Bay ought to be forbidden_ *
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          • #2482766

            There should be a reason why you lost control of Intel HD after Sept. updates. Some 3rd party / registry tweaks ? Some unorthodox GPU settings ?
            Not the latest GPU (gfx_win_101.3413_101.2111.exe) driver ?

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            • #2482774

              I don’t have a clue
              My HP-Pavilion must use the HP-Intel branded version for the Graphic.
              Don’t know anything of GPU (gfx_win_101.3413_101.2111.exe) driver , if that is compatibel;  I have bad experiences in the past to use so called newer drivers, that eventually didn’t work okay.
              Will try to remove the old driver and reinstall the old one,

              ? Can you tell me about this newer driver “gfx_win_101.3413_101.2111.exe” that obviously is not branded for this HPlaptop?

              Thank you

              * _being virtually exiled in some Guantánamo Bay ought to be forbidden_ *
            • #2482784

              I download drivers only directly from manufacturer. I don’t trust PC OEM tweaking drivers.
              gfx_win_101.3413_101.2111 is DCH driver mandatory on Windows 10…

              Download and install the .exe file (not the zip).

            • #2482820

              Couldn’t find any reason at all.  Lo logs, no textfiles.
              gfx_win_101.3413_101.2111 [.] exe  is the supposed latest replacement.
              Install did not succeed, because the HP-INTEL-branded version is needed, downloaded from HP
              The beloved thing works again.  Hurray for Microsoft

              Thanks Alex7523

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    • #2482792

      After installing IOS 16.0.2, every few times I turn the phone on I get a popup something like “Set up Apple Pay now to finish setting up phone”. Very irritating. I don’t want Apple Pay but they sure want my money! I guess this is kind of like MS trying to force creating a MS account instead of a local account.

      Why cannot corporations be satisfied with selling you the products you want without trying to squeeze every penny they can out of you with irritating pressure? This kind of pressure actually works in reverse making you less likely to buy that and future products.

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    • #2482803

      Microsoft is also making a big change in documentation. For many years, the landing page for documentation was https://docs.microsoft.com. Now the documentation will be at https://learn.microsoft.com. Microsoft says that all older links will still work via automatic redirection.

      The new “learns” are nice and actually address real-life computer problems.

      Here’s one for finding a compatible printer driver:
      https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/windows-server/printing/find-compatible-printer-driver-64-bit

      Carpe Diem {with backup and coffee}
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    • #2482809

      I haven’t had problems with Windows 10 Pro updates (and am fully up to date -even with the yucky .NET updates) but Apple….geez…every time there is a big update – especially Sept-Oct ones- my iPhone XR is usually just fine but my Apple watch Series 5 is usually a mess. The watch is mostly why I stay with Apple yet it is really affected adversely by major Apple updates.

      The watch keeps asking for Apple ID (not the four digit passcode which I enter when I first put the watch on unless I am near the iPhone and hold the watch up to it to authenticate). It does this repeatedly after every major update even though it is fully updated to to whatever is the new current version. There is no way to even put in the Apple ID if I don’t have my iPhone with me. It does let me choose “not now” but I believe I recall that will stop after a bit. The watch is the indispensable item…not the phone and I don’t carry the phone with me that much ….especially not when out exercising.

      Perhaps, it is partly due to my losing a little over 5% of my body weigh unintentionally in the past three months. The third puka (that I always used) for the watch band is now a bit loose but the second one is too tight. I’ve never understood why the watch doesn’t come by default with a stretchy band (or a band with no pukas and you take it to an authorized Apple repair store to have pukas put in customized for your wrist size as then it would fit every wrist properly). Not having an Apple store on this island doesn’t help.

      iPhone XR says signing in with Apple ID on the watch enables features like Apple Pay which I LOVE. But I have no problems using Apple Pay on the watch even with it popping up and asking me repeatedly to sign in for Apple ID on the watch. This problem happens every time Apple has a major update so I blame Apple not my watch or iPhone.

      I keep full support coverage on both the iPhone and Apple watch so I guess I will have to call Apple support. That is something that really SURPRISED me about Apple … is how poor their phone support is. Microsoft’s and Dell’s Small Business support is far superior. However, Dell’s support was a maximum of four years when I bought my Windows 10 Pro computer from small business division. It should be five years at minimum.

    • #2482829

      If you do, Microsoft will offer you Windows 11 2022.

      I was not.  I was offered 22H2.  Only the techie sites (Microsoft itself is a techie site, dispensing malleable information) have references to 2022.  I haven’t found a 2022 reference within Windows 22H2.

      Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
      We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do. We don't all have to do the same things.

      • #2482836

        Microsoft is still deciding what it wants to call it.  On some documentation sites it’s 2022.  Others it’s 22H2.  On the marketing blogs it’s 2022.

        Windows release health | Microsoft Learn

        On this page it’s listed both ways.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

        • #2482851

          Microsoft is still deciding what it wants to call it. On some documentation sites it’s 2022. Others it’s 22H2. On the marketing blogs it’s 2022. Windows release health | Microsoft Learn On this page it’s listed both ways.

          Of that I have no doubt.  However, Microsoft Windows Version 22H2 (OS Build 22621.521) does not list “Windows 2022” anywhere, not even in the registry.  For me, that’s definitive.  And there’s this:

          Feature-Updates

          Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
          We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do. We don't all have to do the same things.

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        • #2482854

          2022 is the update name and 22H2 is the version number. It’s consistent with previous versions (but only one update per year now, so no need for month or season).

          Every update for Windows 10 had both an update marketing name and a version number:

          1511 November Update
          1607 Anniversary Update
          1703 Creators Update
          1709 Fall Creators Update
          1803 April 2018 Update
          1809 October 2018 Update
          1903 May 2019 Update
          1909 November 2019 Update
          2004 May 2020 Update
          20H2 October 2020 Update
          21H1 May 2021 Update
          21H2 November 2021 Update

          Version 22H2 (2022 Update)

          Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.900 + Microsoft 365/Edge

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          • #2482855

            2022 is the update name and 22H2 is the version number.

            Every update for Windows 10 had both an update marketing name and a version number:

            I go by what is listed in the OS.  I don’t care about the marketing, never have.  I don’t install the marketing name (it isn’t offered as a download), I install the upgrade version.

            Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
            We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do. We don't all have to do the same things.

            • #2482885

              I also installed the 2022 Update and now have version 22H2.

              Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.900 + Microsoft 365/Edge

            • #2482956

              I like you, @b so I did this just for you.

              Since I run Hardened Windows it was a simple matter to restore my pre-upgrade B side OS in my dual boot PC and boot over there, check Windows update, and get a snip.

              Once I got the snip, I booted back into the A side and restored my upgraded B side. I even timed it; 17 minutes 51 seconds from start to finish. Here’s the snip:

              Windows-Update

              When I upgraded, I clicked “Install now”.  I don’t see “2022” listed in the “Updates available to install”.  Do you?

              I have also been unable to locate “2022” in either side of my dual boot, including the registry.

              I don’t install the marketing name (it isn’t offered as a download), I install the upgrade version.

              Sometimes Windows update announces “Updates available to download” with a “Download now” button.  Other times it announces “Updates available to install” with a “Install now” button.  At any rate, that’s the information I rely upon RE updates/upgrades.

              Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
              We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do. We don't all have to do the same things.

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      @SB

      A little confused. Win 10 21H2.

      Today I was offered and have not yet accepted.:

      KB5017915 – I do not see this in your list at all!?
      KB5017903 –                           ”
      KB5017500 –                           ”

      I was NOT offered 5017308.

      Last month I hid both updates (5016616, 5012170) due to confusing issues. Is that why this month seems strange?

      Unsure how to proceed so will wait for your advice!

      Thanks!

      ~Bob

    • #2482890

      I don’t think the Excel listing version has the correct approvals as it’s still listing many of the patches as defer

    • #2482897

      Are you looking at the 9-27 version of the Excel?

      I thought I was. Will look again in case that was the issue.

      Ahhh, may have been looking at Sept 13th!!

      OK, I did see 9/27 and checked again and still as I posted. What might be wrong?

      Now more confused 🙂

    • #2482903

      The .net’s have a parent KB and then sub’s.

      https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/topic/september-13-2022-kb5017308-os-builds-19042-2006-19043-2006-and-19044-2006-e4ea187e-28e8-4d4b-808b-2794babdce4c

      You should have 5017308 or already got it?

      The KB5017903 – is a .net core

      KB5017500  is the sub KB

      https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/dotnet-framework-september-2022-security-and-quality-rollup/ See if the listing there helps?

       

      Not understanding. This is a first. I always align to your sheets.

      The .net’s have a parent KB and then sub’s. What does this mean?

      You should have 5017308 or already got it? No sign of it.

      The KB5017903 – is a .net core What does that mean?

      KB5017500  is the sub KB And what does this mean?

      Any chance NOT doing August is causing any of this?

      Your last link listed 5017500 but still unclear whay the others do not seem to be anywhere.

      Thanks.

       

       

      • #2482915

        .NET’s have a parent KB and then depending on what you have installed on your system you may be offered the sub KBs.

        No this is because .net released security versions.

        You have a .net core app installed which layered on the .net core

        Let’s step back a bit, you have Windows 10 21H2 installed yes?  What is the build number?

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

      • #2482929

        KB5017500 Is a Cumulative update for .NET – it is actually a BUNDLE of updates.
        If you download it from the Catalog, you will see two updates with different KB numbers. See screenshot.
        KB5017022 is for .NET 3.5/4.8
        KB5017025 is for .NET 3.5/4.8.1
        Windows Update will install the correct one for the versions of .NET the installed on your computer. But you will not see either in Windows Update, only the Cumulative updateKB5017500 will be there. The KB that IS installed will show up in Installed Updates.

        Screen-Shot-2022-09-27-at-11.48.33-AM

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        • #2482937

          Got it. Thanks, PK. Interesting the 903 and 915 are not listed anywhere on your sheets or under the 7500.

          • #2482944

            .NET Core is different from/not a part of the .NET Framework I listed.
            903 and 915 are .NET Core.

            • #2482960

              Interesting. Iw ill Google, but what is the difference and why not tracked on the update sheets?

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            • #2482975

              Because they are a pain in the rear and the Microsoft documentation doesn’t list them by KB.  I’ll update the list.

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            • #2482985

              Thanks. And no worries. I now undertstand what was presented today. Thanks!

              One more question:

              I recall a setting, likely in task manager, that set the time of day Windows checks for updates. I recall it being 3:00 PM which is why I never saw Tuesday Updates for Cumulative until Wednesday morning. I’m fairly confident in that recollection.

              Cannot find it!! Not in tasks, GPedit, Services that I can find. Happen to know where the time of day to check can be set?

              Thanks again.

            • #2483051

              Must be imagining or confusing with something else. Checks every 22 hours. Of course it does 🙂

              So, caught up now except for being offered the Cumulative. Likely tomorrow. Unsure why I do not usally see these until the day after I have set to wait.

            • #2483052

              Ahhh, I have it set to defer for 14 days after being offered. Maybe that is it. When was 308 released? 13th. So I should see it tomorrow, fingers crossed.

              And found the 3:00 at the same time. Its the time of day to install or reboot.

              So, hopefully tomorrow all back on schedule.

            • #2483086

              OK, 308 offered and installed. Only oddity I see is two .temp files that are for debugging Windows Task Manager. Have never seen those before  and do not see any changes in Task Manager but way too much to check in tasks to be sure.

              TS_1F2.tmp / TS_F677.tmp

              Here’s thr readble text from these files:

              A I – M i c r o s o f t – W i n d o w s – T a s k S c h e d u l e r – D e b u g C : \ W I N D O W S \ T E M P \ T S _ 1 F 2 . t m p

              C : \ W I N D O W S \ S y s t e m 3 2 \ T a s k s \ M i c r o s o f t \ W i n d o w s \ M a n a g e m e n t \ A u t o p i l o t \ D e t e c t H a r d w a r e C h a n g e

              C : \ W I N D O W S \ S y s t e m 3 2 \ T a s k s \ M i c r o s o f t \ W i n d o w s \ M a n a g e m e n t \ A u t o p i l o t \ R e m e d i a t e H a r d w a r e C h a n g e

              There’s more,  if that means anything to anyone. I’m always curious and like to know what is going on.

              Changed one setting so far: Turned off Print Screen to open snipping.

               

               

            • #2483129

              Because they are a pain in the rear and the Microsoft documentation doesn’t list them by KB.

              For .NET 6.0.9 Security Update for x64 Client, I found a KB# for it in the WU queue (KB5017915) and it’s also in the MS Catalog. Right now, it shows up in WUSHOWHIDE as a hidden update and I can see the KB# there.

              Is that the only way you know the KB# — after it appears in the WU queue? I notice that the .NET Release Notes don’t give them KB#s either.

    • #2482923

      Install did not succeed, because the HP-INTEL-branded version is needed

      No, it does not. I use a Lenovo laptop and never used their version of Intel or Nvidia GPU drivers.
      You should uninstall the HP GPU drivers, run ‘check for new hardware’ to install Microsoft’s version and then install Intel driver.

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      • #2482945

        Never to old to learn 🤠

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    • #2482933

      but Apple….geez…every time there is a big update – especially Sept-Oct ones- my iPhone XR is usually just fine but my Apple watch Series 5 is usually a mess.

      The third puka (that I always used) for the watch band is now a bit loose

      A loose watch on a hand may mean a stolen watch / found watch… so, yes, Apple demand your AppleID . Buy a $5 Chinese band (I use 5 bands for $10 with my Watch 7).
      This has nothing to do with Apple’s iOS updates.

      I have an iPhone, iPad, Apple watch. All running dev/beta versions for years.
      Never had a problem with either since iPhone 4, watch 0, iPad Mini (original).

      iOS 16.0.2 has nothing to do with your watch. Apple’s watch has its own watchOS. The latest is watchOS 9.0.1.

    • #2482934

      For sure you can hop over August and jump to https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/september-13-2022-kb5017308-os-builds-19042-2006-19043-2006-and-19044-2006-e4ea187e-28e8-4d4b-808b-2794babdce4c

      Depending on your deferral settings, WU just may not be showing you Sept but rather showing you August is my guess?

      Thisis exactly what I am showing @SB:

      1up

      I expected I could jump over. Pretty sure I have before. Perhaps will get offered tomorrow. For now, I see no reason not to install what is shown. Even though some not listed on your lists. Agree?

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      September 27, 2022—KB5019311 (OS Build 22621.525) Out-of-band

      Addresses localization issues for some setup files. These issues might stop you from creating installation media for non-English languages

      Windows 11 servicing stack update – 22621.378
      This update makes quality improvements to the servicing stack, which is the component that installs Windows updates. Servicing stack updates (SSU) ensure that you have a robust and reliable servicing stack so that your devices can receive and install Microsoft updates. ..

      • #2483037

        Dear MS… your install issues should not be called an “out of band”.  That should be reserved for Security updates only.

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        • #2483234

          How do you expect them to fix the issue then? they are already late two months and didn’t notice the obvious non localized setup pages
          and they are obligated to Cumulative Update model, they cannot release a small update for it

          https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/windows-quality-updates-primer/ba-p/2569385

          Out-of-band releases may be provided to fix a recently identified issue or vulnerability. They are used in atypical cases, such as security vulnerabilities or a quality issue, when devices should be updated immediately instead of waiting for the next monthly quality update release. Out-of-band releases are cumulative, meaning that they include the updates from the previous “B” and/or “C” release as well as the additional fix.

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    • #2483035

      Updated Windows 10 on my HP Laptop. Now I do not get audio output on HDMI from my laptop to my TV. No problems previous to this update. Could the update be causing the problem or is it a coincidence and there is probably some other cause?

      • #2483054

        I would try rebooting a second time?  There’s a built in “rollback” function that if I’m guessing what this is will fix this.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

    • #2483049

      Because they are a pain in the rear and the Microsoft documentation doesn’t list them by KB.  I’ll update the list.

      Just thinking, even a note to that effect in the list would be helpful. I would not have had to ask if I knew they were not being tracked. Thanks.

      • #2483058

        They are being tracked.  Look in the .net core section.  I list them by name.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

      • #2483564

        I redid the listing last night, let me know if that helps?

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

    • #2483053

      Susan – in the Master Patch List, both CVS and HTML, your Win 10 line for
      Versions 21H2 / 21H1 / 20H2  5017308
      does not point to 5017308.  It points to older 5016616.

      Thanks.

      • #2483059

        Oops apologies, I’ll regenerate the additional versions tonight.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

    • #2483693

      I redid the listing last night, let me know if that helps?

      It does, thanks. But personally, if not for this topic I would have never scrolled that far down to find them. Would have been looking under Windows 10 where I did not find them prompting my initial questions.

    • #2483722

      I can also join that the experience with installing this month’s updates was anything but “calm”

      September patches installed with some problems to report on Win 8.1

      When the computer restarted after updates were completed, the desktop froze with a black screen. I actually had to do a cold reboot but when I did that the system did successfully boot to the desktop.

      Installation Successful: Windows successfully installed the following update: 2022-09 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems (KB5017367)

      Installation Successful: Windows successfully installed the following update: 2022-09 Servicing Stack Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems (KB5017398)

      Group "A"- Win 8.1 x64
      Win 10 ver. 21H2 x64

      • #2483759

        Thank you! Any idea what happened? And, another servicing stack? Did you have the optional 2022-09 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, 4.7.2, 4.8 for Windows 8.1 for x64 (KB5017531)?

        • #2483771

          KB5017531 .NET Framework Cumulative Rollup (as it appears in Windows Update) contained only one new update which was for .NET Framework 4.8. It installs (in Installed Updates) as KB5017038 Update for .NET Framework 4.8 if you have that version installed.

          The Servicing Stack Update, KB5017398, won’t show up in Windows Update until after you install the other updates and restart. Go back and look at Windows Update again if you missed it.

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          • #2483789

            Thank you PKCano! Yes, I have updated the .NET Framework to 4.8 in the past. The Servicing Stack Updates do show up AFTER installing the regular updates and doing another Windows Update search. I’ve installed the SSU successfully after the other updates in the past, so I’ll probably need to do the same again.

            I usually wait on updates until after I see the Windows 8.1 testers results.

      • #2483764

        I would check that your video card driver is up to date?

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2483848

        This time I’m happy to report I did not exactly duplicate JD’s results on my one remaining 8.1 Pro machine.

        Installed the latest SSU from the MS Catalog, then installed the Rollup. A clean restart and I was back up and running. A little slower than normal, but only by a minute or so.

        Wasn’t offered any .NET updates because I don’t have 4.8 installed.

        It’s a shame 8.1 is going away. Over the last three years, for me, the update process has been rock solid. Fast, easy to control, no drama. In other words just like Linux Mint!

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        • #2483939

          Thank you!

          • #2483940

            Forgot, all win 8.1 updates were successful!

    • #2483815

      Installed ALL September Updates for Win10 Pro x64/x86 (2 devices), Win8.1 Pro x64 (3 devices) and from what I can remember…no issues at all, mind you that was weeks ago..
      FWIW Linux distro’s are such a breath of fresh air to keep updated, no pausing, deferrals or worries about potential collateral damage for homeusers.

    • #2483917

      Susan,

      I have windows 10 pro 21H1, before I install September’s updates you recommended, I have a question about the “group policy” issue under business users:

      “The major side effect I’m tracking relates to Group Policy. Once the September updates are installed, there are reportedly problems with links deployed to the desktops. This appears to be acknowledged as an issue that will receive a hotfix, but there is uncertainty about when this will happen. Some reports indicate that by editing the Group Policy setting to turn off the Run in user context, the variable %userprofile% still works.”

      I am a home user but with windows pro, do I need to do/change any settings under group policy?? I follow your settings for group policy in regards to the updates/versions.

      Thank you

      • #2483921

        No this is only for businesses that push out shortcuts/files to their users.  Home users with pro are not impacted.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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    • #2484557

      I just happened across this article today on the ReviewGeek website:

      Apparently (according to the article), quite a few people have reported this happening to their Windows systems in the last week or so following this month’s updates.  I haven’t seen this myself; but then again, I’m still on Win 10 — and tightly controlling updates with WuMgr.  But, just out of curiosity, I was wondering if anyone here has experienced this — where Spotify gets installed on your system as the result of this month’s Windows updates.

      The author says that “Neither Microsoft nor Spotify have commented on this story.”  So I’m just wondering if these reports are really accurate.

      • This reply was modified 2 months ago by Tom-R. Reason: It seems this has been happening on both Win 10 and Win 11
      • #2484569

        (17) Windows 10 automatically installed spotify on my pc : Windows10 (reddit.com)

        It’s hit and miss on my personal machines.

        I think what happened is that the store app got updated and on some machines it auto launched.  Of the four machines (all win10) I have at home, one of them the app was updated and when I logged on to the machine one day, Spotify auto opened up.  On the other three it didn’t, but in reviewing the store app install dates, I could tell it got updated.

        So the title “spotify is installing on some windows machines”… I would say is accurate based on my personal experience.  Not all, but sure some of them.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2484576

        I’m seeing Spotify pop up every time I log in to a Win 10 Home machine I “inherited” with a Microsoft Account (it has only a Microsoft Account). This has been happening for about a week. And, in the last couple days I’m also seeing Evernote pop up.

        But I’m not seeing any of this on a Win 10 Pro machine with only a Microsoft Account, or on a Win 10 Pro machine I “upgraded” from Win 8.1 Pro and that has only a local account.

        In regards to the Home machine, Microsoft will you please just leave me alone and quit trying to shove stuff onto my computer that to me is completely useless? All you succeed in doing is to make me dislike you even more.

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    • #2484665

      2022-09 Cumulative Update Preview for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 11, version 22H2 for x64 (KB5017271)

      • This update was installed while I wasn’t looking. (Well, oopsie. Or maybe I pushed the wrong button.)
      • I cleaned up the detritus.
      • Under WUMgr, it thought it needed to install again.
      • I installed it again under WUMgr.
      • I cleaned up the detritus — several ways.
      • Under WUMgr, it thought it needed to install again.
      • I installed it again.
      • I cleaned up the detritus.
      • It stayed installed.

      There were reboots at multiple points along the way. Obviously, something broke.

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      • #2484728

        2022-09 Cumulative Update Preview for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 11, version 22H2 for x64 (KB5017271)

        It would help to know what problems the update casued and what the “detritus” (not a very technical term) was that you cleaned up. Just in case someone else has the same problem.

        • #2485649

          The update repeatedly showed in the update queue as requiring installation. I kept attempting installation. (No Microsoft errors and nothing to indicate problems except the update queue and the DISM++ clean-up error shown below.) When everything stopped throwing errors and the update decided it was installed without prompting me for installation, I considered the update installed.

          These tools were used multiple times and are listed in no particular order:

          • DISM++ 10.1.1002.1 Disk Clean-up which returned an error in “Replaced Windows SxS Assemblies” until after I ran the next command
          • DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth
          • BleachBit
          • SFC /scannow (run once and it stated at conclusion errors corrected)
          • Microsoft Disk Cleanup (more as an afterthought)

          Under no circumstances would I consider this update friendly or well-behaved.

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          • #2485667

            As an addendum, I also installed 2022-09 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5017389) shortly thereafter in an “in for a penny, in for a pound” moment. This update gave me no problems, but it appears after reading here, that @bbearen had some similar difficulties with this preview update as I did with 2022-09 Cumulative Update Preview for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 11, version 22H2 for x64 (KB5017271):
            https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/september-30-2022-kb5017389-os-build-22621-608-preview/#post-2485637

            If the two previews install no better than this, then Patch Tuesday, less than a week away does not bode well.

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