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      • #2346956
        Susan Bradley
        Manager

        PATCH WATCH MS-DEFCON 4 – February updates trigger few issues By Susan Bradley All-clear for February patches It’s that normal time of the month when
        [See the full post at: MS-DEFCON 4 – February updates trigger few issues]

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2347104
        rebop2020
        AskWoody Plus

        Hi Susan,

        I am sure you have seem my Win 1909 update thread. All the help appreciated and making good progress. But, in the newsletter you say:

        “It’s that normal time of the month when I’ll urge everyone to get the February security updates installed. For consumers, I’m not tracking any major issues. l also recommend that those of you still on 1909 consider installing 2004 or 20H2, unless they are not yet being offered on your PCs. I’ve now installed 2004/20H2 on enough systems to be comfortable recommending either one on your machines. Remember, the complete list of February updates that I recommend — or not — can be found at any time on the Master Patch List.”

        Well, PKCano says the Master Patch List is for IT professionals and the Defcon buttons for mere users. Does not make sense. Why would there be a difference if there is? And the MPL says nothing that it is not for me. And no one addressed that the last MPL update had the date Feb 26th when it posted on maybe the 20th or 22nd?? If that was just a dating error one thing but if that was saying this list is not recommended until Feb 26th is another.

        So what is accurate? If MPL not for me perhaps you could clearly post that. Or at least explain the relationship between the MPL and DEFCON.

        Thanks.

        ~Bob

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        • #2347305
          Cee Arr
          AskWoody Plus

          My understanding is (correct me if I’m wrong) MPL is for IT Admins and the DEFCON is for us mere mortals. I have to agree with your comments in that some points are a little ambiguous.

        • #2347308
          sheldon
          AskWoody Plus

          Even when Woody himself was running the show, I would refer to MPL.  Woody, especially during the last 6 months or so, would refer which updates to install to MPL.  He tended to give just the high points and stopped discussing updates for office (unless of course there was a major issue).  I find MPL, with a list of which updates to install or defer, together with Susan’s comments a great combination

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        • #2347313
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          I just dated it in advance is all.

          Mere mortals can use the master patch listing.  Defcon is the high overview, whereas Master patch listing gives you more details.  Also I list the few updates that I’ve personally had issues with up there and I don’t have a problem telling you to skip them.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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          • #2347316
            rebop2020
            AskWoody Plus

            Cool. Thanks. I could not imagine why something approved in MPL would not be approved for all. And saves a week or so 🙂

            When you say: ” Also I list the few updates that I’ve personally had issues with up there …”, where is “up there”?

             

      • #2347304
        JD
        AskWoody Plus

        February patches installed with no problems to report on Win 8.1 .  🙂

        Installation Successful: Windows successfully installed the following update: 2021-02 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, 4.7.2, 4.8 for Windows 8.1 for x64 (KB4603004)

        Installation Successful: Windows successfully installed the following update: 2021-02 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems (KB4601384)

        Group "A"- Win 8.1 x64
        Win 10 ver. 20H2 x64
        Win 10 Pro ver. 2004 x64

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      • #2347314
        buckwheat
        AskWoody Plus

        Susan, I have Windows 10 V20H2 Home installed. I moved up from V1909 on 02/07/2021. Have not had any problems. Followed your advise and installed the February patches. Everything seemed fine. Went to Settings > Windows Update > View update history and noticed KB4601319 Cumulative Update failed to install with error code 0xc1900401. I then went to Settings > System > About and noticed that I had OS Build 19042.804 installed. My question is did it install?

        Now, on the Windows Update page it says, Error encountered. An update is being prepared for your device, but it’s not quite ready yet. We’ll keep trying or you can try again now. There is a button available for a Retry. Retry for what? KB4601319?

        For your information, on the Master Patch List I was offered all but KB4601050. Windows installed KB4601554 Preview for .Net Framework cumulative update. And once again KB4023057 was installed. In advance, Thank You for your help.

      • #2347337
        CaddyH
        AskWoody Plus

        Trying to follow your advice and install recommended February updates.  When I run WUSHOWHIDE it is not showing  any Windows Updates (except for one Dell and one Logitech). Is that because I have Windows Updates paused? I have updates paused and didn’t want to unpause them because they immediately start downloading and installing. Can anyone tell me how to use it so I can block unwanted downloads without getting into the loop of installing?  Searched the site, but didn’t find any clear directions for this.  Thanks!

        • #2347343
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          Correct.  I would  unpause and then run the WUshowhide.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

        • #2347408
          PKCano
          Manager

          When you are on Pause, no Windows updates show up in Windows Update.
          But if you Resume Updates (unPause), it will immediately download and install all available updates incluting the onse you don’t want.

          To be able to use wushowhide to hide the updates, you should set Metered connections to ON before you Resume Updates. Metered connections should keep the updates from downloading. Then use wushowhide to hide the ones you don’t want.

          After the updates are hidden (with Metered Connections still ON), you should Pause updates again then Resume updates. This will cause Windows update to search for updates on its own. If the updates listed are the ones you want to install, turn Metered connections to OFF and let them insstall.

          There is a Guide for Windows Update Settings in AKB2000016 with information for both Home and Pro Editions.

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          • #2348168
            WCHS
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            Is this the Matador method?

            • #2348238
              Matador
              AskWoody Plus

              Yes pretty much, a slight modification on PKCano’s procedure to clear the WU cache which I have found to work albeit some initial resistance from some to do it that way.

              See post   #2286979 and onwards.

              Cheers

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      • #2347432
        dmt_3904
        AskWoody Plus

        From Susan:  I’ve now installed 2004/20H2 on enough systems to be comfortable recommending either one on your machines.

        I am on Win10 Pro 2004.  I have GPEdit settings as per recommendation from this site, with “Target Version for Feature Update” set to 2004.  I want to take Susan’s advice and move to 20H2.  I just downloaded Feb udpates and will install today.

        So, in order to move to 20H2 – should I remove “2004” from the GPEdit setting above?  And then after update to 20H2, leave it blank, or set it to 20H2 (or what is the correct setting for this release?) thanks.

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by dmt_3904.
        • #2347445
          PKCano
          Manager

          Change the 2004 to 20H2 in GP. That should be all you need to do and you should be offered 20H2 in Windows Update the next time it scans.

          • #2347449
            dmt_3904
            AskWoody Plus

            OK thanks easy peasy!

          • #2347462
            dmt_3904
            AskWoody Plus

            One more question – I had a little hiccup with installing Feb updates.  I won’t go into it, suffice to say, they didn’t install.  If I install 20H2 – it will include all prior updates, correct? I thought I’d read that somewhere on here, that all updates are cumulative.  Just checking, thanks.

            • #2347505
              Bob99
              AskWoody Plus

              You are correct in that installing 20H2 will install it with the February updates for Windows 10 included, but not any other updates such as the .NET update.

              Since you say that the February updates didn’t install, you might have problems with the upgrade to 20H2 as well. Just something to think about.

              • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Bob99.
              • #2347526
                dmt_3904
                AskWoody Plus

                Thanks for the info. The update issue was self-induced! I am a bit embarrassed to admit this – but for the 2nd time in one month, I accidentally hit the “Pause” button on WU. Incredible!!!  Obvs I need to be more careful!!

                The updates had downloaded and I was going to restart but somehow hit pause!!! Which caused updates to disappear. Argh! I had posted here last time I hit pause and PK provided instructions, which I did.  After reboot,  Windows said it was updating, even though it was on “Pause”. Update history showed NET framework installed – but nothing else.

                I had turned off wifi as per instructions and windows was saying it didn’t have connection for wifi to download updates. But since I want 20H2 – I didn’t think it mattered so, I hit retry and it’s now back to waiting for the next update check.  I am set for 20H2. If I get anything I don’t want, I’ll hide it. And btw – there are several driver updates + the dreaded KB3025027 (which keeps coming back even though it’s hidden) in hiding – do they stay there forever?

              • #2347531
                Bob99
                AskWoody Plus

                …+ the dreaded KB3025027 (which keeps coming back even though it’s hidden) in hiding – do they stay there forever?

                No, KB4023057 does not stay hidden forever. It resurfaces each time MS releases a newer version of it, so you need to re-hide it each time.

                The current version that’s showing as hidden on my machine says “2021-01 Update for Windows 10 Version 20H2 for x64-based Systems (KB4023057)”

                Note the 2021-01 at the beginning of the update’s title. Makes it seem to me that next time it might say 2021-03 at the beginning of the title, or something similar. Either way, keep an eye on the KB number, and when it shows back up, hide it again. That’s all we can do for now.

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              • #2347535
                Alex5723
                AskWoody Plus

                I have installed KB4023057 twice so far. Last time on 19-‎Feb-‎21.
                No ill effects, no network reset, no deleting files, … no need to hide.

              • #2347544
                Bob99
                AskWoody Plus

                Several folks here prefer to hide it anyway, due to the potential changes it can make to their systems that they don’t want to have happen.

                Hiding it or installing it is simply a matter of one’s individual preference.

              • #2348007
                anonymous
                Guest

                can you elaborate on the potential changes of KB4023057 pleese. I have this hidden in wushowhide.diagcab following the general forum advisory and consensus on other threads.

                using 20H2 home + metered connection + wushowhide / feb 2021 patches installed fine.

          • #2347801
            dmt_3904
            AskWoody Plus

            Windows Update – 20H2 with “Download” button (which is what I have in GPedit settings) appeared this morning.  Clicked download and installed.  .NET framework had installed yesterday.  Anything I hid, is staying hidden.  20H2 is set in GPEdit. All is ok!  Thanks for your help here everyone.

      • #2347440
        rebop2020
        AskWoody Plus

        And since you are answering the abpve question and I have not used this feature yet, what should I expect? For example, if I change GP TRV to 2004 from 1909 do I need to reboot? Will it update immediately? Will it wait a day?  In other words, what is the sequence of actions both by me and the update process?

        Thanks. I hope that answer adds value to this thread as well.

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        • #2347446
          PKCano
          Manager
        • #2347475
          The Surfing Pensioner
          AskWoody Plus

          I don’t know whether my experience will help, but I used TRV to update from 1909 to 2004 on Sunday. I did reboot after changing the TRV setting (for luck) and then unpaused updates. At first, all I got was the 1909 CU and assorted, and I thought Oh no! it hasn’t worked. But then 2004 came down the update chute in all its glory and after it installed – which happened first and took quite a while – the system changed its mind about needing some of the 1909-appropriate updates that had been ahead of it in the queue, so all was well. Only annoyance is that (apart from Office) all my update history is wiped now and the only installed Windows updates listed are those that went in on Sunday. Such is life with 2004; I couldn’t hide from it any longer.

          • #2347481
            rebop2020
            AskWoody Plus

            Thanks. Its good to know the experiences of others. I also agree. I have been hiding from 2004 for too long 🙂 But 1909 ain’t broke….

      • #2347498
        StatMan42
        AskWoody Plus

        I am running Windows 10 Pro, Version 2004. I have successfully updated for January, 2021. However, I am now trying to update for February with KB4601319, and I am getting a “Failed to install…” combined with error message 0x800f0831.  Multiple reboots and checks for updates yield the same outcome: Failure coupled with the error  code.  Alternatively, clicking on the Retry button after a failure gets a quick download and another extremely slow installing status which rests at 0 for several minutes and then jumps to 20% where the stall lasts for a long time before jumping to 100% and yielding  the same outcome:  Failure coupled with the error  code. Has anyone seen this problem and found a solution?

        • #2347501
          Susan Bradley
          Manager

          https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/mem/configmgr/error-0x800f0831-installing-update  that points to corruption.  If you are geeky you can look at the cbs.log file and figure out what corrupted update needs to be reapplied. In your case since you are on 2004 I would use the Windows 10 ISO site to download and apply 20H2.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

          • #2347580
            StatMan42
            AskWoody Plus

            Susan, Thank you for the suggestion. Because I am not competent in reading through and acting upon a cbs log (which, in my case for today only, has 23 megabytes of densely packed information which is incomprehensible to me), I decided to follow your suggestion to install 20H2. Thus, I tried to install 20H2 not only to get the newest version of Windows but also to circumvent the corruption that apparently was associated with the reportedly “successful” installation of either KB4598242 or KB4023057, which, in turn, apparently led to the failure of KB4601319 for my Windows 10 Pro , version 2004.  After the download and installation of 20H2, I received the following disheartening message:  “We couldn’t install this update, but you can try again (0x800f0831).”  Nevertheless, I received a green checkmark at the top of the page saying “You’re up to date”. Furthermore, when I viewed my update history, I saw that KB4598242 and KB4023057 were still “successfully installed” but “Feature update to Windows 10, Version 20H2”, “Failed to install” on 3/2/2021 with error code (0x800f0831). Thus, my problem still remains and further suggestions are welcomed. For example, would uninstalling and reinstalling either KB4598242 or KB4023057 or both cure the problem with KB4601319?   Please let me know. Thank you.

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            • #2348048
              Bob99
              AskWoody Plus

              Sorry to say, but the answer lies in the CBS log that you haven’t gone through. Per the following documentation about the error code you’ve been getting, you’re possibly missing a component that will help install KB4601319 or 20H2.

              https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/troubleshoot/mem/configmgr/error-0x800f0831-installing-update

              The name of the missing component is located in your 23 megabyte cbs log. To help you dig through that massive thing, the entries you’re looking for that the above article talks about are most likely located toward the bottom of the log itself, so start there and work your way up. You should see some entries worded nearly identically to those listed in the Microsoft article. Once you see them, you should also see a KB number in them, and that’s the missing component that you’ll need to download and install using a download from the update catalog site.

              As the article says, once you’ve gotten the missing item installed, proceed to try installing KB4601319 and you should be successful.

              Sorry there isn’t something not involving the cbs log, but sometimes that’s the only way to find out what’s wrong.

              One thought just crossed my mind, and I think it would be a good idea for some of the MVP’s here to chime in on it: Would it be a good idea to run a dism command to clean up the installation and then run SFC /SCANNOW afterwards to fix this problem, rather than digging through the cbs log?

              Right now, I don’t recall the exact syntax that’s required to run dism to clean up the existing installation, so some help would be greatly appreciated!

              R/

              Bob99

              • #2348054
                Bob99
                AskWoody Plus

                Ok, I found the proper syntax for the dism command if anyone thinks it would be a good idea for @StatMan42 to try it. The syntax can be found in @bbearren ‘s post here. Although he’s talking to someone who’s having slow boot time issues, the instructions would still apply in this case, again, only if it’s deemed a good idea for this case.



                @StatMan42
                If you decide to do these commands on your own, follow the instructions in the post from @bbearren , ignoring the part about checking boot times after completing them, but following everything else. Once you’ve finished them and have successfully rebooted afterwards, please try to install KB4601319 and let us know what happens.

                • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Bob99.
              • #2348170
                StatMan42
                AskWoody Plus

                Thank you, Bob99, for both suggestions. Your first suggestion reinforces Susan Bradley’s suggestion regarding the CBS.log while your second suggestion regarding the DISM sounds like another good approach to the problem.  I have begun the search through the CBS file and I shall alert both you and Susan about whether following this approach yields any success.  Again, thank you.

      • #2347528
        WShlewton
        AskWoody Plus

        Susan Bradley I had a question for you and now after trying to send you a message I have 2 questions for you. I cannot locate it right this minute but somewhere you posted that it was OK to install February’s Win 10 updates and that those who are Plus members would be seeing that in our newsletters. I am a Plus member and I did. not get a newsletter stating that February’s updates were safe to install. I always look for that newsletter to be safe.  That is my first question, why didn’t I get that newsletter?

        Secondly and maybe I need a tutorial for this, I tried to message you and ask the question above. I clicked on Direct Message above and tried to message you. I typed Susan Bradley and tried to send it. It would not go. I searched for your name, found it, and saw no way of placing it into the message to send to you. How, if I need to in the future, am I supposed to use direct message to send a message?

         

      • #2347545
        John782
        AskWoody Plus

        I just checked the “View update history” and found that KB4023057 was installed with the January updates. I have 2004 Home and in the registry I have it set for 2004 only (as indicated in another thread). Do I need to to uninstall it in the Vuh?  Thanks.

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by John782.
        • #2347549
          Bob99
          AskWoody Plus

          Check the other Windows Update-related settings you may have in the registry and see if any of them have been changed from how you had them set.

          If there have been no changes, you may wish to leave the update installed, since you didn’t say that you’ve had any issues since it installed.

          If any of the settings have been changed away from what you had them set to, then you can return the settings to the way you had them and afterwards, proceed to uninstall the update should you choose to do so.

          Basically, though, the choice is yours, and a matter of personal preference.

          The basic intent of KB4023057 is to make it as trouble-free as possible to install the next Feature Update on your machine. It accomplishes the task through methods that can include changing update deferral settings and other changes to the way Windows Update can operate if it deems it appropriate. Because of this aspect of its potential behavior, some folks choose not to install it on their machine.

          One thing it reportedly will do is to check you system drive (usually the C: drive) for enough space to ensure the update will be able to operate smoothly during the installation, which can be a good thing for anyone wishing to smoothly upgrade from one Feature Update to another, such as from 2004 or 20H2 to 21H1 or 21H2.

          • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Bob99.
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          • #2348203
            dmt_3904
            AskWoody Plus

            The basic intent of KB4023057 is to make it as trouble-free as possible to install the next Feature Update on your machine.

            I have GPEdit settings for the following.  Which of these settings will KB4023057 eliminate or change, if I were to allow it to install?  Or is that something I’d just have to check?

            • Configure automatic updates – “Notify for download and auto install”
            • Target feature update – Presently set to 202H
            • Select when quality updates are received – 30
            • Do no include drivers with WU

             

      • #2347559
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        you posted that it was OK to install February’s Win 10 updates and that those who are Plus members would be seeing that in our newsletters.

        The newsletter is up at the top and MS-DEFCON = 4 which means Feb. updates are OK to install.
        It is also ok to upgrade to Windows 10 2004/20H2 if you haven’t done so until now.

      • #2347565
        John782
        AskWoody Plus

        Check the other Windows Update-related settings you may have in the registry and see if any of them have been changed from how you had them set.

        If there have been no changes, you may wish to leave the update installed, since you didn’t say that you’ve had any issues since it installed.

        If any of the settings have been changed away from what you had them set to, then you can return the settings to the way you had them and afterwards, proceed to uninstall the update should you choose to do so.

        Basically, though, the choice is yours, and a matter of personal preference.

        The basic intent of KB4023057 is to make it as trouble-free as possible to install the next Feature Update on your machine. It accomplishes the task through methods that can include changing update deferral settings and other changes to the way Windows Update can operate if it deems it appropriate. Because of this aspect of its potential behavior, some folks choose not to install it on their machine.

        One thing it reportedly will do is to check you system drive (usually the C: drive) for enough space to ensure the update will be able to operate smoothly during the installation, which can be a good thing for anyone wishing to smoothly upgrade from one Feature Update to another, such as from 2004 or 20H2 to 21H1 or 21H2.

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Bob99.
        • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Bob99.
        • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Bob99.

        Thanks, Bob. It deleted the setting where I had specified 2004. This has been deleted, “TargetReleaseVersionInfo”=”2004”

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by John782.
      • #2347569
        John782
        AskWoody Plus

        Check the other Windows Update-related settings you may have in the registry and see if any of them have been changed from how you had them set.

        If there have been no changes, you may wish to leave the update installed, since you didn’t say that you’ve had any issues since it installed.

        If any of the settings have been changed away from what you had them set to, then you can return the settings to the way you had them and afterwards, proceed to uninstall the update should you choose to do so.

        Basically, though, the choice is yours, and a matter of personal preference.

        The basic intent of KB4023057 is to make it as trouble-free as possible to install the next Feature Update on your machine. It accomplishes the task through methods that can include changing update deferral settings and other changes to the way Windows Update can operate if it deems it appropriate. Because of this aspect of its potential behavior, some folks choose not to install it on their machine.

        One thing it reportedly will do is to check you system drive (usually the C: drive) for enough space to ensure the update will be able to operate smoothly during the installation, which can be a good thing for anyone wishing to smoothly upgrade from one Feature Update to another, such as from 2004 or 20H2 to 21H1 or 21H2.

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Bob99.
        • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Bob99.
        • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Bob99.

        Thanks, Bob. It deleted the setting where I had specified 2004. This has been deleted, “TargetReleaseVersionInfo”=”2004”

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by John782.

        Disregard. I wasn’t going through the proper way of getting to those settings. It is set to 2004.

        • #2347684
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Disregard

          John, please don’t quote the whole post. Highlight the relevant section, then click Quote.

          cheers, Paul

      • #2347877
        280park
        AskWoody Plus

        Susan Bradley suggests avoiding KB4535680. KB4535680’s list of the Windows versions to which it applies does not include Windows 10 version 2004 or Windows 10 20H2. Has anyone running either of those two versions of Windows 10 been offered KB4535680 through Windows Update?

      • #2348022
        280park
        AskWoody Plus

        But you already knew that

        I forgot that you had answered this question previously. Thank you for replying again!

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      • #2348192
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        can you elaborate on the potential changes of KB4023057 pleese.

        The potential changes are listed on KB4023057 release notes :

        Notes about this update

        This update may request your device to stay awake longer to enable installation of updates.

        Note The installation will respect any user-configured sleep configurations and also your “active hours” when you use your device the most.

        This update may try to reset network settings if problems are detected, and it will clean up registry keys that may be preventing updates from being installed successfully.

        This update may repair disabled or corrupted Windows operating system components that determine the applicability of updates to your version of Windows 10.

        This update may compress files in your user profile directory to help free up enough disk space to install important updates.

        This update may reset the Windows Update database to repair the problems that could prevent updates from installing successfully. Therefore, you may see that your Windows Update history was cleared.

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        • #2348234
          Bob99
          AskWoody Plus

          … and it will clean up registry keys that may be preventing updates from being installed successfully.

          That is the part that many folks here aren’t too happy with, which is why they decide to hide the update every time it appears.

          By cleaning up registry keys, Microsoft means that changes the user has made to the registry directly, or through the use of Group Policy Editor, may be changed back to what Microsoft thinks will allow them to give a machine an update when they want the machine to get the update, NOT when the machine’s owner or user or administrator wants the machine to get the update.  Notice I italicized the word “may”, to indicate that these changes might not always happen, but some folks don’t want to take the chance of them happening.

          Some folks still desire to control what gets installed on their machine and when, and they don’t want to cede that control to Microsoft or anyone else for that matter.

          Strangely enough, though, I haven’t noticed anyone complaining about the following concept that involves KB4023057, which is clearly stated in what @Alex5723 quotes above:

          This update may repair disabled or corrupted Windows operating system components that determine the applicability of updates to your version of Windows 10

          That statement makes it sound like if someone has hidden some updates (through the use of any of the freely available tools just for that purpose) and Microsoft decides they want you to have the updates you’ve hidden, KB4023057 will unhide them and have Windows Update install them “for you”. Whether or not that would actually happen, I have no idea, but the statement above from the release notes makes it sound very possible. Just something to think about.

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      • #2348200
        280park
        AskWoody Plus

        “A current driver on your PC may be better than the driver we’re trying to install. We’ll keep trying.”

        The above message was displayed by Windows Update after I used Windows update to successfully install the following updates on my computer which has been running Windows 10 Pro version 2004 since early January:
        KB4601319 – February cumulative update
        KB4601050 – February .NET cumulative update
        KB4023057 –
        KB4577586 – Adobe Flash Player removal tool
        Malicious Software Removal Tool

        In the place of the “Pause Updates” or “Resume Updates” buttons Windows Update now displays a “Retry” button.

        Why would Windows try to replace a driver that “may be better than the driver we are trying to install”? Will this situation resolve itself or do I need to do something?

        • #2348202
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          If you are on a Pro version you should block Microsoft installing drivers via GP.
          If you are on Home version use WUmgr, Wumt to hide Microsoft’s drivers updates.

          You should update/download drivers from your PC OEM or from devices OEM, directly.

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          • #2348229
            280park
            AskWoody Plus

            After about six hours the “Retry” button disappeared and a single Realtek update was displayed with the notation “Pending install.” Using advanced options (Windows 10 Pro) I paused updates until tomorrow March 6. Under “View Update History” the update is now shown as successfully installed today March 5. I will watch to see what Windows Update does tomorrow after the pause expires.

            If you are on a Pro version you should block Microsoft installing drivers via GP.

            I assume that you mean the following:
            Local group policy editor>
            Computer configuration>
            Administrative templates>
            Windows components>
            Windows update>
            Do not include drivers with Windows Update>
            Select “Enabled”
            Click “Apply”
            Click “OK”

            Although I feel capable of using group policy editor as indicated above, navigating to the websites of my computer maker and/or the websites of all the component makers and finding, downloading, and installing all the applicable driver updates might be beyond my capabilities. I will have to think about this.

            Thanks.

            • #2348239
              Bob99
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              After about six hours the “Retry” button disappeared and a single Realtek update was displayed with the notation “Pending install.”

              Under “View Update History” the update is now shown as successfully installed today March 5.

              From the sounds of it, you just received a new Realtek driver for one of the components (audio, maybe?) on your motherboard or in your laptop. The very next time you reboot, Windows Update will finish the installation of the driver for you. That’s why the status shows as “Pending install” and why it shows as successfully installed with today’s date, I believe.

              Consensus amongst the MVP’s here is that it’s not usually a good idea to let Windows Update install drivers for your computer that are from Microsoft.

              Do as @Alex5723 suggests above, and block the installation of drivers from Microsoft by using the Group Policy settings described above. You’ll be better off getting the drivers directly from your computer or motherboard maker’s own website, as those are tailored specifically to your exact hardware in the computer/on the motherboard.

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              • #2348385
                280park
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                From the sounds of it, you just received a new Realtek driver f

                Yes, Windows Update history now lists the Realtek update as successfully installed as of yesterday March 5 and Windows Update says “You’re up to date.” I am now going to pause updates.

                As you, Alex5723, and others have suggested I am also going to use Group Policy to block installation of drivers from Microsoft, at least for now. I don’t doubt the wisdom of obtaining drivers from OEMs, just the practicality of doing so. Deciding which drivers to install and which to decline; navigating to the OEM’s website and selecting the drivers appropriate for my particular computer. It all seems like a very big task and one fraught with the potential for error.

                My computer and Windows Update seem to functioning fine now.

                Thanks for the feedback.

              • #2351306
                anonymous
                Guest

                A bit late but this is for information:

                Dell 8930
                Clean installation of Win 10 Home v1909 (no Dell junk…).
                Ever since I bought this Dell desktop, the computer has decided when I can listen to music!
                I have crawled through EventViewer looking for the trigger that turns off the feed to the speakers but without any luck.

                Updates were paused until Sat 06 March 2021.
                10 updates came down the pipe.
                That surprised me as none had appeared in February!

                Although “update drivers” = OFF, a Realtek audio driver was installed.
                DevMgr shows: Realtek v6.0.9107.1 dated 19 Jan 21.

                I later realised that there was a new icon in the system tray: Waves MaxxAudioPro v1.0.113.0
                I have not installed that and was about to remove it when I realised that the speaker symbol wasn’t red.

                My audio problem appears to be fixed! Thank you, Microsoft!

                I wonder whether it will survive the next upgrade?

      • #2348467
        WShlewton
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        Sorry to post this here but how do I unsubscribe to this thread? I have unticked the box that says, “Notify me to follow-up replies via email” three times yet I still can’t get the email notifications to stop. So my thoughts are that I may need to post something in this thread and that is why I am posting this here. If it works then I don’t need any further help but if it doesn’t work then I have no idea what else to try.

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          b
          AskWoody MVP

          Click Unsubscribe at top right of the thread.

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          WCHS
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          how do I unsubscribe to this thread

          At the very top of this thread, there is a link for unsubscribing.

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      • #2348486
        Seff
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        I lifted my pause on the February updates this morning on my home desktop x64, being offered 4 updates although the feature update Version 2004 (which was optional until today) was installed and I’ve no idea what happened if anything to the others although it did indicate at one stage that the .net framework preview update was pending restart so I assume that this one at least was installed.

        The other updates were the Adobe Flash Player removal update, the usual MSRT one and a Windows 10 update KB4023057. A Defender update was also installed before the version update was shown.

        The whole exercise took a little over 4 hours and is listed as installed successfully although the Update History is otherwise empty and presumably starts again with a new version.

        My other similar machine is still on Windows 7 with 0patch so I’m spared the monthly fit of nerves that always accompanies Windows Updates!

      • #2348515
        Alex5723
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        although the Update History

        Check the list of installed update in ‘Uninstall updates’

        • #2348522
          Seff
          AskWoody Plus

          Thanks but that only shows today’s updates since  the feature update (presumably because this particular feature update is effectively a new W10 installation and therefore previous updates under version 1909 are no longer relevant). Those now include an additional 3 updates that it found after this morning’s exercise including KB4023057 (a W10 update from this morning’s offerings), KB4602050 (.net framework) and KB4580325  (Adobe Flash Player security update) which seem to have installed ok. KB4601382 (cumulative update preview) was offered as an optional update and has not been installed.

      • #2348600
        John782
        AskWoody Plus

        John, please don’t quote the whole post. Highlight the relevant section, then click Quote. cheers, Paul

         

        Thanks Paul and I wasn’t aware you could do that prior to clicking the Quote. On some sports’ message boards I’m a member of,  you have to click Quote and then you can highlight what is relevant.

         

      • #2349837
        Foothills Dave
        AskWoody Plus

        Anyone using File History might want to check that it really is running.  Among other backups, my wife and I both have 8 TB external drives attached that File History updates on to every hour, and we tend to ignore it.  Every so often I do bring it up from Control Panel to mage sure it has not been turned of and yesterday  I did that on both our computers only to discover that while it was on, the last backup was on March 1, which happens to be the same day we did the February patches.  I clicked run now and it ran and appears to be running fine now.

        I suspect that the February updates did something that while leaving File History on stopped it from running backups.  Anyone using file history might want to check to see when it ran last.  If it has been a while try clicking run now, then watch for the next few days to make sure it keeps running.

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