Between the Win7 Monthly Rollup working, and Win10 version 1809 still in the shop for repairs, we’ve hit a golden time to get your patching done. Deta
[See the full post at: MS-DEFCON 4: With the Win7 Monthly Rollup now working, it’s time to get everything updated]
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MS-DEFCON 4: With the Win7 Monthly Rollup now working, it’s time to get everything updated
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OK, then you need to go through the process of clearing the “important updates” queue in Windows Update and install the Servicing Stack Upeate KB377467 v2 first. Follow the steps in #229402.
You will need to hide the Rollup and either install or hide all the other “important” updates. Then search for updates and then install KB3177467. Wait 15 minutes to let the install complete. Unhide the Rollup and any other updates you hid and install them,
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Similar to what you recommend, @Woody, I follow the guidelines MS recommends for “Broad” release:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-deployment-rings-windows-10-updates
120 day deferral on feature updates, 14 days on quality updates.
This seems to fall in line with your DEFCON rating OK quite well, and I have not had any issues.
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That looks like excellent advice!
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120 day deferral on feature updates, 14 days on quality updates. This seems to fall in line with your DEFCON rating OK quite well, and I have not had any issues. Currently on 1709.
I assume you should be updated in the next few days (1803 was declared semi-annual on the 10th of July, 120 days deferral falls on the 7th of November, so in 4 days) – keep us updated how it worked.
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just downloading and installing these two october group b patches for both win7 and 8.1,
after that, important (checked) office, .net, flash patches & msrt will be installed as usual.do i need to install v2 of servicing stack, if original one from 2016 is installed already?
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Yes, install KB 3177467 -v2 as it is a Security Update.
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as kb3177467 v2 isn’t offered in windows update, where can i download it for both windows 7 64bit and windows 8 64bit?
PC: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, Group B
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Starting with the 2018-09 Preview Rollup and continuing with the 2018-10 Security Quality Monthly Rollup they are baked in to the Rollups on both Win7 and Win8.1 (the equivalent of KB2952664 and KB2976978). You cannot separate them out or uninstall them separately.
Some of the options are: Group B, @abbodi86 ‘s method to neutralize the telemetry, Group W (don’t patch at all) or move to a different OS.
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@honx, and all those updating Group B style-
@PKCano and @MrBrian did exhaustive testing on how to get Servicing Stack updates. They will not show up in Windows Update until all other updates are either installed or hidden. For an in-depth review, see Group B – Win7/8.1 “Missing” updates, Hiding Rollups, Security-only patches.As a result of identifying the problem of missing these important updates, and testing, the final recommendation was made part of 2000003: Ongoing list of “Group B” monthly updates for Win7 and 8.1 in Step B7: Wash, rinse, repeat:
Go through Steps B3 to B6 again, to see if Windows Update picked up any new patches. Repeat until there aren’t any more additional (new) patches.
For Group A, don’t feel left out, because in 2000004: How to apply the Win7 and 8.1 Monthly Rollups instructions are given in Step A5 to repeat Steps A2 to A4 until there aren’t any additional new patches.
These steps are needed to get the Servicing Stack Updates to reveal themselves, since if you are following installing updates by the DEFCON system you will have Windows Updates set to NEVER CHECK (not recommended). If you are a dedicated beta tester and running automatic updates, Windows Update installs these automatically… but the rest of us have to do a little extra work with automatic updating turned off.
Now, unless you are a glutton for punishment, there is no need to unhide all those updates you don’t want. Group B, that means DO NOT UNHIDE all those Monthly Quality and Security Updates… if you unhide them, you will have to go through and hide them all again next month. I’m aware of controversy regarding the wisdom of hiding updates, and there are those that strongly oppose hiding them (usually people who wouldn’t recommend Group B updating in the first place). However, Group B is not ever intending to install the Monthly Quality and Security updates, and I haven’t had, or heard reports of any Group B adherent having problems due to these being hidden. Keep them hidden, and you will only have to hide the current Month’s Quality and Security Update next time (oh- and any other new unwanted updates that show up), in order to complete the “Wash, Rinse, Repeat” step.
The first time you notice that you haven’t been doing the “Wash, Rinse, Repeat” step, and try to catch up, it will be tedious, but rewarding (I found three previously missing updates on my computer that way). It is much easier going forward (as long as you don’t unhide those unwanted updates). Woody has only recommended unhiding updates that you intend to install later (example- you’ve decided to skip the .Net updates until later, then unhide those). Woody does link to a summary of @MrBrian’s work in his ComputerWorld article (not the same link I have here, but summarizing the same material).
I’ve noticed that in the rush of excitement and trepidation of getting one’s computer updated, that people don’t actually follow all the steps, perhaps thinking that if they just apply updates then, they are good… if you look at the depth of testing on this, you will get some idea of the dedication of the MVPs here. A lot of testing was done to develop the instructions given by Woody. It isn’t just ‘update now’, but a system that works for our benefit… if you actually follow the directions…
If you had been following the Wash, Rinse, Repeat step, you would have found and installed KB377467 v1 previously, and KB377467 v2 this month.
Special thanks to @Woody, @PKCano, @MrBrian.
PS- having done a little experimentation, on friends and family, as well as my computer, I’m fully aware of how long it takes to back track and hide each month’s update, and recheck when updating Group B style. Those servicing stack updates are important, and do not contain telemetry- it is worthwhile to find them and install them, not just because of current problems with KB377467. It would be nice if you could just download them from Microsoft (might work with KB377467 this month)- but be aware that depending on how you have been updating, different servicing stack updates will be uncovered as missing- from 3 to 5 on the machines I’ve done. I do not know why they differ, but they have…
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Success!
I installed KB 3177467 Version 2 first, rebooted even though I didn’t have to,
Installed KB 4459922, KB 4462923 (it was checked today), KB 890830.
PC is working A-ok.Edition Windows 11 Pro
Version 22H2
Installed on 10/19/2022
OS build 22621.2283NOTICE: It appears you will still need some version of the Servicing Stack Update KB3177467 installed on a Win7 computer before installing the Oct Rollup.
If you have KB3177467 v1 or KB3177467 v2 installed already, you are good to go.
If neither KB3177467 v1 or KB3177467 v2 are installed, you will need to:
+ HIDE the Rollup
+ Install or hide everything else in the “important updates” list. The “important updates” list must be empty.
+ If you just installed any updates, reboot, wait 15 minutes, search for updates. If you did not install any updates, search for updates.
+ Install KB3177467 v2 and wait 10 minutes for the installation to complete.
+ Unhide the Rollup and any other updates you hid, and install them.UPDATE: if you are in Group B and have neither SSU installed you can download KB3177467 v2 32-bit or 64-bit and install it manually first. Wait 10 minutes for the installation to complete before installing other updates.
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If you have KB3177467 v1 or KB3177467 v2 installed already, you are good to go.
If you have either v1 or v2 installed already, you should not have a problem with the Rollup or the SO.
BUT, you will also need to install KB3177467 v2, it just need not be first if you have v1 already installed.
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Win 7 Group A 64-bit Windows Home Premium user.
Already had KB3177467 v.1 installed from a year ago.
These updates were offered on my system:
The October security roll up, Outlook 2010 security update, and MSRT. Installed all three without incident except I noticed that the Word security update also installed though it hadn’t actually been offered. After all these installed ok, checked WU and saw that KB3177467 v.2 was now offered, so I installed it without issue. Didn’t ask for a reboot with v.2. In checking installed updates, noticed the latest KB3177467 v.2 shows as being installed today and v.1 doesn’t show as being installed anymore, even though it had been installed more than a year ago. I think someone else mentioned that too.
Everything pretty much happened as @PKCano said it would. Have to say even being part of Group A is getting more complicated! Appreciate all the work the great techie volunteers do here 🙂-
You can open the Task Manager after an install and watch the CPU usage for all processes (click button at bottom left). When it drops to 10% of less consistantly, the install is over. One processes to watch are TrustedInstaller and WindowsModuleInstaller. You will be surprised how long it takes to complete.
Repeated rebooting during this period only interrupts the process and makes it longer.The processes have to complete anyway.
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PKCano – Great comment about Trusted Installer and Windows Module Installer. I have observed on an old single core processor Windows 7 machine that CPU usage sometimes goes to 100% after a Windows update, drops back down to less than 10%, and then a few minutes later soars to 100% again. It can take quite a number of minutes for CPU usage to consistently stay at a low level.
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All installed very quickly, no problems at all so far, although I admit that I downloaded kb377467 from the catalogue and installed it before launching WU, as it seemed to me M/S themselves were advocating this:-
– and it sure beat playing hide and seek!
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Glad you mentioned the MS Update Catalog to get KB3177467. I was going to mention it, but since PKCano didn’t, I didn’t either. Most Group B people are familiar with going to the MS Update Catalog. You do have to know what you’re looking for. In most cases it will be the 10/08/18 (V2). I got the older one (V1) there last month (Sept. Updating). They’re all in the Catalog.
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Just installed on my Group B – Win7 x64 in the following order:
Oct 2018 (IE11) KB 4462949 (required reboot)
Office365 C2R (no aut.updates) to Version 1810, build 11001.20074 (no reboot)
Oct 2018 (SO) KB 4462915 (required reboot)And all seems well.
Thanks Woody & Gang and have a nice weekend
P.S. Didn’t see PKCano’s remarks about KB 3177467… So I installed it after the fact:
All went well so far. (no reboot)-
See Susan Bradley’s Master Patch List for your version of Windows.
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Yeah, let folks test the previews now so Microsoft can fix stuff until next Patch Tuesday.
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Kindly confirm there is no .Net Security Only October patch
My head hurts with the number of KBs I’m supposed” to remember!
You can always check Susan’s Master Patch List for the security-only patches.
I installed all relevant October patches four days ago, as Group B, and have nothing unusual to report. As it has been invariably the case every month of every year, for all of the seven years that I have had Windows 7 Pro (Sp1, x64), and for all of the six years I had XP before that) as my OS. (I have had, like most people I know, my share of strange problems with Windows, but none that was related to patches.)
Which might mean that exercising a little common sense and a dash of caution (e.g., by backing up one’s data, creating restore points, avoiding S&Q and “Preview” “rollups” and paying attention to people complaining about patching problems, now days mostly here at Woody’s — and to the advice given generously by others, also here) one can stay fully patched and trouble-free, at least if one has Windows 7 — and belongs to Group B.
Also, my heartfelt thanks to PKCano, DrBonzo and all those who have repeatedly provided timely and useful safe-patching advice to everyone asking for it here. And to the Patch Lady, for her invaluable Master Patch List, my very Rosetta Stone for deciphering, amidst all the interfering noise, alarums and lamentations, what, for a Windows 7 user, may be really safe to patch.
Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).
MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AVMy head hurts with the number of KBs I’m supposed” to remember!
I went through that pain barrier some time ago running all three 7-10 at home and work just streamlined the process by recording the real “Howlers” on a scratch pad and avoiding like the plague, trusting to a prudent delay and a bit of luck in the fervent hope M$ will get it right eventually, not had an update induced BSOD or major crash since very early XP so I think its working, maybe??? 😉
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First two attempts to install KB4462923 failed, even with KB3177467 already installed- then saw and followed PKCano’s advice and downloaded KB377467v2 from this site. Installation seemed successful, restarted computer, etc., but this item is not in the installed updates list. Still no joy with the Oct. rollup, same “unknown error” appears. What’s my next step?
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Are you sure you got the right bitedness for KB3177467? There is a link for 32-bit and 64-bit. It should show up in “view installed updates” under Windows Update. Sort the list by date to see today’s installs.
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I installed KB 3177467 in Sept. just before installing the Sept. Rollups (Grp A) and today since we are at Defcon 4 I installed the MSRT, KB 4462923 Sec. Rollup, and the optional .NET KB 4459922 (since Susan gave the green light). No problems so far.
Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
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Make sure you install KB 3177467-v2 which was issued in October 2018 and is now a security update.
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Yes, you need it, because it is classified ad a “Security Update” where the older version is not.
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If you clear the “important updates” queue, it will show up. If you are in Group B that is a lot of hiding. Use the link at the bottom of #229402.
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Ok, I’m confused then because I have already installed the Sept. & Oct “Important” Rollups so if I want V2 of KB 3177467 I need to just go to the catalog and get it don’t I?
Note: I understand your referenced post as hiding all current “Important” WU’s but is that necessary since I can just get the KB from the catalog and I have already installed the Oct. Rollups anyway? The only important update showing is KB 2952664 which I uncheck every time I do WU’s. I’ve tried hiding it before and it’s like a bad penny that keeps showing up.
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You can download it from my post referenced above – 32-bit or 64-bit. Save you a trip to the Cat.
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win 7 32 bit Group “B”
first installed the stand-a-lone’s
KB3177467-v2
KB446294-=Oct.-IE
KB4462915-Oct. S.O.
reboot, search Window’s Update:>
2 Important: KB4462923-October rollup (hid) and KB890830 Oct. MSRT (installed)
3 Optional: KB4462927-Preview OCT. rollup (hid), KB4462500-Oct. .Net preview (hid), KB4459922-Oct. S&Q .Net (unchecked, italicized) 9Hid)
Office 2010: 5 Important
KB4092482-P.P., KB4092483-Office, KB4461466-Excel, KB4222482-Office, KB4092439-Word
reboot, working well, Disk cleanup + DISM nothing there
thanks for the “GREEN Lite.”
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In Windows Update, click on Change settings (on the upper left). There should be a check box for “Give me updates for other Microsoft Products” – check it to get Office updates through WU.
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Installed KB4462923 tonight, rebooted and found the startup to be very lengthy. Upon getting into Windows it told me it had made a temporary swap file as the original one was corrupt. Something in this update had taken out my newly installed SSD (with the page file on it and three game directories). Took me the better part of an hour to fix that, via CHKDSK and retaking ownership.
I’ll be holding off with installing Windows Updates again in the future.
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If you had v1 installed, then the SSU wasn’t the problem.
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WOW ms-defcon is a 4.
I’m speechless.
well, kind of.Reporting in on installing October patches.
Could not get KB3177467 v2 to show itself in WU using the instructions.
So instead I used PKCano’s link to get it.
It installed without a problem.
Rebooted and waited about 10 minutes.Checked my installed updates and v2 showed as installed and noted that v1 (installed 11/2017) was now gone from installed list.(was there when I last checked a week ago)
Installed KB4462923 (rollup), rebooted then installed KB4459922 (.net rollup).
No issues with either updates.
Rebooted did a windows update check and KB3150513 showed up.
I think I read to hide it, and I did.Also of note, I checked my install list for KB2952664, none there.
However it is still listed, as it has been for a long time, in my “hidden” list.Dell Inspiron 660 (new hard drive installed and Windows 7 reloaded Nov. 2017)
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit SP 1 GROUP A
Processor: Intel i3-3240 (ivy bridge 3rd generation)
chipset Intel (R) 7 series/C216
chipset family SATA AHCI Controller -1 E02
NIC Realtek PCLE GBE Family Controller
MSE antivirus
Chrome browserWindows 7 SP1 64bit, with Broadcom network card. Group B.
Installed October’s updates; KB3177467, IE KB4462949, SO KB4462915.
From the catalog; Installed KB3177467 first, IE KB4462949 2nd, SO KB4462915 3rd.
Installed one at a time. Rebooted in between each update letting it sit 1 minute after update was installed.
No network issues. No oddities.
Rebooted 3 times and let it sit for several minutes.
I would recommend people on the last reboot to go to the desktop and let it sit 45 to 60 minutes to Process Idle Tasks and let the trusted installer (as per PKCano) do its thing.
No Problems.
Thanks to all here.
Win7 64bit, home, Group A
KB3177467 was installed Nov 2016
After installing Win7 October Monthly Rollup, reboot, then Office 2010 updates (For the past couple of months I’ve installed Office updates separately after the Rollup, no particular reason other than taking on one subject at a time). Success
KB3177467 v2 showed up, installed perfectly, no reboot required but I did it anyway. Success.
Thanks for everything. Y’all are the best, really, you are.
MacOS, iOS, iPadOS, and SOS at times.
Sorry to all if somewhere in this massive thread my answer lies. My system tries to install KB4462923 and I get the error code 80073701. I did check and these installed correctly:
KB3177467 installed correctly on 10/12
KB4457008 installed correctly on 10/11
KB4463376 installed correctly on 9/16 and
KB4457044 installed correctly on 9/11I have Win 7 Ultimate x64 with Intel Duo.
Appreciate any help
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Try this approach:
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The functionality of KB2952664 is now baked into the Monthly Rollups – is not a separate patch anymore and will not show up as installed in Oct 2018.
KB3150513 updates the database for KB2952664 (a complement to it). It is still a separate patch and will show up in the “important updates” list because you have essentially installed KB2952664 with the Rollup. It is not necessary. You can hide it.
See #229467 above.
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KB2952664’s functionality is there, but you won’t see it listed in installed updates b/c it’s no longer separate. BUT, it’s companion will show up in WU because the functionality is there.
You can HIDE IT!
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I can offer this information:
KB2952664 has never been installed on any of my computers. I have installed the October Rollup and KB2952667 still does not appear in installed updates.
There have been MANY MANY versions of KB2952664 over the past three(?) years. To remove it from installed updates, you have to uninstall ALL the versions. If you uninstall the latest, the next earliest shows up (same KB number so it looks the same but it isn’t). You have to keep going backward until you get them all. Somewhere in this site there is a script to do it – I think it was @goneTo Plaid ‘s.
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Just a point of clarification …
From what you (and others) say, I gather that KB2952664 is the code patch and KB3150513 is the database that the former patch needs(?) to function. So if you have KB2952664 installed (any/all versions), but KB3150513 is NOT installed, then KB2952664 will not function (whether the latter is installed as a freestanding patch or as part of the October rollup). And that is why you are stressing that you can HIDE KB3150513. Is this more or less correct?
I am currently Group B, but have been considering moving to Group A at some stage. However, news that KB2952664 functionality has now been incorporated into the monthly rollup has made me think again. But if the functionality can be disabled simply by not installing KB3150513, then it may be OK. At least until MS decides to put that into a rollup as well !!
Along with many others, I say thank you for all you do for this group, and all your patience in answering the same questions over and over (I hope that my question does not come under this banner!).
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KB3150513 just updates the data for KB2952664 (or its functionality). So you will keep getting KB3150513 every time MS wants to update the data. KB2952664 (or its functionality) will keep working, it just won’t be up to date.
Consider the alternatives. See #229467 above.
This is almost comical. I’m not sure, but I think it may be easier to transform lead to gold than it is to keep Windows updated (safely).
Why not just update to a baseline (say May 2017), then turn off all updating, and live happily ever after?
I know many will lament the safety issues inherent with this approach, but the reality is that if I let Windows update, I’m almost guaranteed to have issues, but if I never update (except when there is a real and verifiable problem, not like Spectre or Meltdown), stay behind a firewall, and exercise rational vigilance, I’ll be much better off.
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Anonymous, Anonymous back at you. As it turns out, my consulting company manages well over 500 computers spread across about 40 companies, ranging from 5 and under offices up to 100 user offices. Our experience mimics Canadian Tech’s since we follow the same practice. On occasion we’ve had to move the baseline forward and load newer updates, but we still install Win 7, install a few updates, then set auto update to Never. These computers do not give us any trouble other than the occasional user issues.
On the other hand, the mere 7 Windows 10 laptops/Desktops we support just never seem to work right. Aside from the things that plain just don’t work using Win 10, we get a never ending litany of things like “Where did my icons go?”, “Why doesn’t this open in acrobat anymore?”, “Didn’t you put Firefox on here?”, “Why doesn’t my computer work anymore?”, or just recently for two different users on the same morning, “I just turned it on this morning and it won’t even boot.” We think that was due to a failed Win 10 update and required a complete wipe and reinstall.
So, we’ll continue to stay in the Win 7 with no updating camp until such time as that OS no longer works in the real world, and we’ll use refurbished equipment that supports Win 7 even though we’d like to use newer equipment. Hopefully by then a valid alternative to Microsoft will exist.
Likely a pipe dream though since Microsoft earnings in the short term are quite good now and they continue their cloud forward march.
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Thanks PKCano
That thread seems to be saying the telemetry is now unavoidable if I stick to monthly rollups. I presume the separate telemetry KBs won’t be presented anymore in future.The thread also suggests ways to avoid telemetry (Group B, scripts/manual eradication and alternate OSes). My question was more about what the downsides of telemetry really are. I remember some association with the GWX saga in the past, but not much else. I presume the possibility of easier manipulation of my machine by MS and/or performance drag are the most obvious downsides, but wonder how bad these really are, and if there are other reasons to avoid the telemetry?
Sorry, this may be obvious to most here, but I seem to have lost track of it. If there is no quick and easy link you can point me to, don’t waste any of your valuable time on writing an explanation. I doubt I will want to experiment with anything other than Group A processes.
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It’s rather unknown the downsides of telemetry, in as much as Microsoft does not report data collection contents.
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Thanks geekdom
If power corrupts, I guess it is possible that the power to pull information from our machines has influenced MS to slide from sloppiness, penny pinching on quality assurance to outright clandestine malevolence. Although possible, I suspect/hope it is unlikely.
Has the telemetry been shown to affect performance? I guess it clearly does facilitate their ability to thwart our attempts to thwart them.
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Personally. I decided to stay on the Group A path with all my Win7/8.1 machines (8 VMs and 4 old hardware installs). But I’m not a supporter of MS’s telemetry either.
I have used @abbodi86 ‘s command line to create a task to run the script provided automatically on startup. I looked over the script to find out what it did (I usually don’t run other people’s scripts) and it passed my scrutiny. @abbodi86 is one of the most knowledgeable people that contribute here.
If you can’t beat ’em, at least you can neutralize ’em.
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HINT: If you disconnect from the Internet before you install the update, you may not get Sandy Crush again.
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Of Note….
I checked my “installed updates” from yesterday 11/2.
I noticed that KB4457008 was listed as installed.
I thought WTH? I did not install this.After a little research, and checking Susan’s Master Patch List,
I clinked on the link for KB4457008.
I see that this was part of a .net Preview rollup back in Sept.
Apparently they rolled this into the Oct. rollup update.I thought the .net updates were totally separate from monthly rollups.
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FYI: The .NET Rollup is a bundle of separate patches, one for each version of .NET. Each of the separate patches have a unique KB number separate from the .NET Rollup.
Windows Update will check which version(s) is installed on the PC and automatically install the separate patches accordingly. So you will not see the .NET Rollup’s KB number, but the number of each individual patch(s) applied.
The .NET patches are not part of the Windows SQMR.
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Thank you to those who manage to install updates successfully and take the time and effort to report here to the benefit of everyone.
Thank you to those who don’t install updates successfully, but take the time and effort to report difficulties also to the benefit of everyone.
To those who report on updates, thank you. Your reports help.
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For those still posturing for action … I never Saw the Oct Rollup in WU Until I installed V2 of Kb3177467 / V1 was Inst’d Oct ’16.
I did Not See V2 Until I inst’d (Macrium image @ ready) Office ’10 stuff, MSRT, 4.7.2 Net Frmwk AND HID (2) remaining Optionals (Optionals may not req Hide but I did). Per PKC, you can Hide All of WU and V2 Should Appear in next Search IF not offered already. FWIW, a Manual Attempt to Inst V2 FROM the Catalog netted “Already Installed, so it didn’t recognize (guess) the meta-data difference between V1 & V2 … WU was Only V2 way for me.
Once V2 Inst’d THEN I was offered the Oct Rollup, which Inst’d without issue….Some saw Rollup and maybe V2 without all that BUT your path may have to duplicate mine. FYI..
W10 Pro 22H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desk-Ethernet - SSD-HDD/ i5(8th Gen) 12GB / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0
Hey Y’all,
I updated my Dell Inspiron 1564 laptop (Win 7 HP SP-1) yesterday with out issue.
HTH 😎
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I’m thinking that the Powerpoint Viewer 2010 would be similar to Powerpoint in Office 2010.
In addition, the update description for your viewer and for the full Powerpoint 2010 have the same description:This security update resolves vulnerabilities in Microsoft Office that could allow remote code execution if a user opens a specially crafted Office file.
So, I’m thinking that the same thing is being updated in the viewer as the full Powerpoint. There are no problems being reported for either update. I have the full Office 2010 Suite, and no problems noted in updating.
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Elly – I just installed without any difficulties KB4022138 and my PowerPoint Viewer 2010 works fine. Thank you for your information.
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The “important updates” list has to be empty before you will see the Servicing Stack Update KB3177467. And it has to be installed by itself.
Write down the KB numbers of all the updates in the “important updates” list (not the “optional updates”). Then hide them temporarily. Once there no updates left under “important,” search for updates. You should see KB3177467 v2 – install it.
Do nothing on your computer for 10 minutes.
Then unhide the updates on the list you made (only the ones on the list).
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Hello Walker. If you can not get KB3177467 to appear, you can get it from the MS catalog and find your OS version and download it. We got ours from there (we are group B). You will also see both the 2016 and 2018 versions.
https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB3177467
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I’ve had KB3172605 installed on my computers since it was issued. I’ve installed KB3177467 v2 without incident on 4 of my computers so far this month. You shouldn’t have a problem.
That is, of course, an indication, not a guarantee.
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In previous months I’ve installed the IE 11 and SO patches in both orders. I’ve never had a problem with either order.
This month I think to be on the safe side you want to install the SSU (KB31777467) first, before either IE 11 or SO.
Last night I patched my Win 7 Starter 32 bit Group B test machine using the first order you listed above. I restarted after each even though a restart was not required after the SSU. No problems of any kind with any of those patches.
For what it’s worth I then installed KB4459922 ( October .NET Security and Quality update) from Windows Update. Took a long time – 10 minutes or so – then gave me a failed message along with a restart required. I restarted, checked ‘update history’ in Windows Update where KB4459922 showed as failed. It was still listed as a checked update in WU but now was much smaller (about 15 MB as opposed to about 40 MB, if I remember correctly). Tried another install of the listed checked KB4459922, and it worked with no restart required. Since KB 4459922 is actually a package of several patches for various versions of .NET, I’m guessing that some of the patches installed but that one didn’t on the first try. Anyway everything seems to be fine with the machine now.
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I just finished updating my ‘daily driver’ Win 7 Pro, sp1, x64, Group B machine.
Same procedure as in my post immediately above. There are 2 differences in the results. The good difference is that the .NET Oct. Rollup installed just fine. The not as good difference is that I needed to reset Media Player after the October Security Only patch, as apparently, some others have also (see some posts below.) This also happened after I installed KB4048960 which was the November 2017 Security Only patch.
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The need to re-do Windows Media Player setup after a WU is something that I *thought* had finally gone away. I used to have to go through that task after 2-3 WU’s a year, but it seems like it had been perhaps two years since the last time.
The good thing is that — as before — it’s only the few setup screens where options need to be re-selected. (Over three years ago I created a document to remind me what settings I had chosen.) Once WMP is back up, I find all my other WMP options — including my selected media file associations — remain in place…with ONE exception. The one exception is update-check frequency, which always changes from once a month to once a week (not that there’s ever an update anymore anyway….).
Did anyone else notice that at some time in the past, when using Google as the home page in IE 11 (both Windows 7 and Windows 10 1709 and 1803) that your cursor no longer automatically went to the Search box or pulsed?
Well with the October updates, on both systems and Windows versions – its back! Yeah!
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I’m floored looking over this thread. It’s apparent that:
1. People care whether their computer system works right, even to the point where they’re almost continually weighing the risks of patching vs. not patching.
2. A lot of people are still holding off using Windows 10, well, because it’s Windows 10. Keeping control and retaining choice ARE important to people.
3. Servicing update first, then cumulative update, hide this, enable that… Keeping a Windows system up to date has reached an utterly ridiculous level of complexity and effort, at the same time as reducing user control over it.
My own critical, high reliability Windows 7 computer – admittedly, not a daily use machine, but rather functioning in a small server role – is stable, reliable, secure, never needs rebooting… There honestly is nowhere to go but down. This has never applied more: If it works, don’t fix it!
Perhaps I’ll just skip updating it. Maybe from now on, until the whole thing is replaced.
We’ll see how long it will ultimately run without a reboot. I predict it can stretch out to literally years.
-Noel
Windows 7 Media Player had to go through set up again as soon as I tried to open a media file as a result of Oct. updates.
anonymous
Thanks for the heads up. I had to reset mine also.
Last week I did play a DVD of my daughter’s Las Vegas wedding so I know it was working then.So apparently the Oct. update affected Windows 7 Media Player.
Curious if the Group B people have the same hiccup.Dell Inspiron 660 (new hard drive installed and Windows 7 reloaded Nov. 2017)
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit SP 1 GROUP A
Processor: Intel i3-3240 (ivy bridge 3rd generation)
chipset Intel (R) 7 series/C216
chipset family SATA AHCI Controller -1 E02
NIC Realtek PCLE GBE Family Controller
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Well, I’m in Group B and I haven’t had to reset anything, although I do use my Windows 7 Media Player quite regularly and that may have made a difference.
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on the windows media player, there were some (update) files in the October patch(es). i noticed a text file in %temp% after installing KB4462915 (wmsetuplog.txt) that talked about “Playlist location already obfuscated,” “created media library for player,” “Error: create CommonStartMenu shortcut failed 0x800700005,” “current command line:/firstlogon/shortcuts/regbrowsers/reset MUI,” etc, etc. after seeing other comments here about WMP i googled up this little nugget from a few days ago:
i even got the setup log file on a win 7 machine that has WMP disabled in Programs and Features Turn Windows Components on or off!
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There are many of us Group B-ers who already do post our results in this very thread (and other MS-DEFCON 3/4/5 threads) of what we did to update our computers along with our results. And most of us provide details, including KB numbers, so that others can follow our processes.
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SueW,
You are quite right. I am one of those from Group B that post, every month, in one and, sometimes, in two threads what I did and what was the result of that. But I am hoping for something more explicitly dedicated to answering the two general questions I wrote about. There are always practical details, beyond which KB to install, and they might be better explained in a dedicated thread. Not just for some of us explaining how we do it, but also for others to ask questions about it. So: in a separate, dedicated thread because, as PKCano has mentioned, cannot be this one. I wonder if such a thread might not exist already, although I have not been able to find it.
Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).
MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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Then why don’t we create the topic, “The Ease of Group B Updating”, in the appropriate Forum? (- I must admit, I’m not sure which that is!) I’ve never had a patching problem since I developed a Group B-style of updating, either, yet I detect that patching Group B-style is not Politically Correct.
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Thanks PKCano, Woody and TSP for suggesting and even encouraging the start of a dedicated thread. My inclination leans heavily to “let’s do that”, and certainly like the title proposed by TSP, but am afraid it all might get lost very quickly from sight right now and, particularly, in the days following the upcoming November Patch Tuesday. Maybe in another week, when things might have quieted down somewhat?
Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).
MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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New topic that may help:
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/pointing-to-group-b-directionsStarting a new topic can be done by anyone, even an anonymous voice. Subject to moderation, of course. Thank you, moderators, for your assistance and guidance.
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Good for you. However, your process was considerably more complicated than the one I followed: manually downloaded and installed KB3177467-v2 followed by October security-only updates, then a quick WU search to locate and install Office security patches and MSRT. Rollup plus unchecked updates all hidden; one more search to ensure nothing else outstanding – and job done. Took maybe 20 mins.? – but I was in another room most of the time, just popping in and out of the office.
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@TheSurfingPensioner,
You see, I don’t find what I did complicated at all. I installed the rollup that appeared in Windows Updates and rebooted; then I installed the SSU in Windows Updates without rebooting; then I unhid the .NET update and installed it, and then rebooted. Then I quickly checked the telemetry settings, and now I know I’ll only have two to reset, both in the same place. I usually install updates separately anyway, just to make sure I can tell which one might have caused problems. So it might have taken me more than 20 minutes on each machine, mostly because I have a slow download connection lol. And then the installation would have taken the same amount of time no matter how I downloaded the updates.I think the point is that the members of each group do what they find most convenient and what best fulfills their needs. I think it’s good that there are different approaches, and I like to read the results of the different approaches. In several earlier months I’ve considered patching Group B-style, and in some months I’ve downloaded individual patches from the catalog. But I’m happy with Group A for the three machines I maintain (and now there’s no going back lol!) Inevitably, people see things differently, but we can get to the same place using the method that suits us best!
Linux Mint Cinnamon 21.1
Group A:
Win7 Pro x64 SP1 Haswell, 0patch Pro, dual boot with Linux, mostly offline
Win7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Ivy Bridge, 0patch Pro,offline
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jburk07, you wrote ” But I’m happy with Group A for the three machines I maintain (and now there’s no going back lol!) ”
I think that might have to do with my question No. 2: what does it take to go from Group A to Group B. If that is so, then perhaps you would care to elaborate a bit more on that point you’ve made? Thanks.
Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).
MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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I completely endorse your second paragraph, jburk07. But I think the point OscarCP and I are making is that the presentation of the Group B approach as difficult and time-consuming is an unsubstantiated myth. And I believe everyone should be encouraged to consider all their options, at every stage in their computer career.
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Hello Surfing Pensioner, I agree completely that the easy way was to just get the 3177467 from MS catalog and install it. It appears doing group A is very cumbersome and takes time. I am Group B and was done in 20 minutes like you.
Windows 7 64bit
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So is it safe to install KB4462923 on Windows 7? In WU it went from unchecked to checked but still shows the October 9, 2018 date.
Please read through this thread – the answer to your question is there.
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So is it safe to install KB4462923 on Windows 7? In WU it went from unchecked to checked but still shows the October 9, 2018 date.
Please read through this thread – the answer to your question is there.
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“This thread” refers to all the posts under this topic “MS-DEFCON 4: Withe the Win7 Monthly Rollup now working, it’s time to get everything updated” on the main blob of AskWoody.
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@Walker, here’s a tip for searching for a topic in a given thread:
1 – Do a ‘Ctrl-F’ and you’ll see a search box. In Firefox it’s at the lower left of your screen; in IE it’s at the upper right.
2 – Type your search term into that box.
3 – If that search term is not found, you’ll hear a ding and the box will turn pink.
4 – If that search term is found, you’ll see up and down arrows (plus other options). Click on the arrows to work your way to what you’re looking for.
Example: to find all the new comments since the last time I read this thread, I search for “rt n” (without the quotes) and I’ll see the black-labeled new to the left of each new date/comment.
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@SueW: Thank you so much for the very detailed instructions on how to proceed with this maneuver. Hopefully my “trial run” will be successful. That will be a great deal of help when I am attempting to locate a specific subject.
BTW, I see that FF has “another brand new” update already.Thank you once again for sharing this information with all of us. It is sincerely appreciated!!! 🙂
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The IE patches are cumulative. I don’t recall anything about uninstalling the previous one before installing the current one. You are basically uninstalling all the changes to IE in the last two years (security and non-security). I am at a loss. What was the reasoning for that?
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Thanks for the advice as usual, Woody and the team.
With two Windows 7 x64 desktop home PCs, I have today installed the monthly quality rollup KB4462923 on the one with Office 2010 installed, and have then installed 5 updates for Office 2010. That led to me being offered KB3177467 which I also installed. All optional/unchecked updates comprising KB4459922 (.net framework) and the preview updates for Windows and .net framework were hidden, as was the MSRT update.
So far, so good. If all is well in a day or two I will install KB4462923 and (assuming it’s then offered) KB3177467 on the other machine, which does not have Office installed.
Checking in after updating last night:
1 – imaged my disk with Macrium Reflect
2 – already had KB3177467 v1 installed; downloaded KB3177467 v2 from PKCano’s link above, installed it, and waited 10 minutes
3 – downloaded Updates KB4462915 (Oct. SO) & KB4462949 (IE11 Oct.
Cumulative)3 – installed each Update and then rebooted; waited 15 minutes
4 – checked “Windows Update” => 7 Important: 5 Office 2010 and 2 Win 7: all checked; 3 Optional: all unchecked
5 – unchecked and hid “Important” update KB4462923 (Oct. Rollup)
6 – hid the 3 unchecked “Optional” updates (KB4462927 – Oct. Preview Rollup,
KB4462500 – Oct. Preview .NET, and KB4459922 – Oct. S&Q Rollup .NET)7 – checked “Windows Update” again => 6 Important: 5 Office 2010 and 1 Win 7: all
checked; 0 Optional8 – unhid any hidden updates to install (none)
9 – installed 6 Updates: 5 Office 2010 (KB4461466, KB4092483, KB4227170, KB4092482 & KB4092439) and KB890830 (MSRT)
10 – rebooted; waited 45 minutes (until the hard drive light stopped flashing)
Many thanks, once again, to Woody, PKCano, and the others who continue to contribute to AskWoody!
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@SueW – I’m curious if you need to reset Windows Media Player after installing the Security Only update.
I had to reset mine, although I never use it; I check it ever since the reset issue was reported last November. Today, though, I have to update a computer for someone who uses WMP a lot. Does anybody out there know if the default reset is “smart” enough to return WMP back to it’s pre-update condition? Or, if it’s not, is there some sort of configuration file I can copy before I do the updates and then recopy back to the machine afterwords?
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@DrBonzo, I hadn’t tried using WMP until you asked 🙂 After reading others’ experiences after updating, I just tried to play a clip on WMP. Indeed, I now have to reset it! Thanks for asking (seriously!).
By the way, a similar issue occurred last November. Read these comments from PKCano; they might be helpful: https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/roundup-of-bugs-in-the-november-patch-tuesday-crop/#post-146094.
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Thanks for the link; now I know where to go and make a convenient backup. I remember the issue, although I wasn’t affected by it. This time, though, it could be sort of a big deal if the settings got messed up on the other computer.
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On Windows 10 Pro, Version 1803, the October CU initially failed to install. Ten minutes later, after something downloaded (according to my system monitor app) the Oct. CU did install successfully, all without a restart. Looks like Win 7 wasn’t the only version to get a Servicing Stack Update this month.
I also got the Intel System Driver, which failed to install on my hardware. Ran the Intel Driver Assistant to make sure all was well with that little issue. It was.
No other issues this month.
Just a little heads-up about backup software: Macrium Reflect Free has a new version. There are important changes in there. Read about this one before updating.
-- rc primak
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Should I install KB 3150513 and what does it do?
That is the updater for the KB2952664 functionality. You can hide.
KB 4462923 downloads as two files — an exe and an msu as shown below —
Put the two files in the same location (your desktop, a folder, etc). Install KB4462923 by double clicking on it in the usual way. The .exe file is executed automatically during the KB4462923 installation.You don’t have to click on it.
@walker, here’s a tip for searching for a topic in a given thread: 1 – Do a ‘Ctrl-F’ and you’ll see a search box.
SueW
One of the things I missed so much when I switched to Chrome from IE was the page search.
I didn’t know that I still had the ability to do that with Chrome using Ctrl-F!You have no idea how your post has made my computer life better! ( :
Thank you!!!
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Hello dgreen, I am not trying to insult anyone but information is knowledge and knowledge can produce success.
See this page for windows shortcuts like “Ctrl F”.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keyboard-shortcutsHope this helps.
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MS changes the patches from checked to unchecked as a way of stopping automatic installation but not going so far as to pull the patch (maybe checking a reported problem, maybe changing something related, etc). That is why we discourage the installation of UNCHECKED updates. Wait a while – it will stay unchecked as long as necessary, then either be checked again or it will disappear.
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Fyi: I am in Group A, and a few weeks ago I took a chance and decided to install the .NET Security-Quality Update & the MSRT on all 3 of my Win 7 machines.
On the first two machines everything proceeded briskly and completed.
But on the third machine, as it was powering down to reboot, the screen seemed stuck at “Preparing to Configure Windows (Update), Do Not Turn Off Your Computer.” (No countdown percentage shown.) After a half hour I was tempted to conclude it would never finish, and was ready to to force-close. But I read some things saying that force-closing can cause problems, and to give it a good 2-3 hours before concluding it wouldn’t eventually complete on its own.
I was skeptical, and at about the 55 minute mark was getting ready to force close it. But before I could, sure enough it finally shut down by itself, reboot normally, and quickly finished setting up the updates. Yesterday I installed the October Rollup on the same machine without issue.
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KB4462918 is the correct CU for 1709. You also need to be sure you have the latest Servicing Stack KB4339430 installed. If it is not installed, it needs to be downloaded and installed before the CU. It will take 10-15 minutes to complete the install before you install anything else either manually or through WU.
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If you use WU to install, you will not see the Servicing Stack b/c it is bundled with the CU, downloads automatically, and installs first. But if you do a manual install, you have to second guess the system.
I’n not positive of this, but you should see the KB in the installed updates in the Control Panel if it doesn’t show up in Settings\Update and Security. If you try to install it and it’s already there, it will probably tell you it’s not for your system.
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Here is the link to the MS Catalog.
When you search, put in the number of the patch without the “KB” in front of it.
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My bad. I gave you the wrong number. It’s 4339420. Sorry
https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=4339420
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Yes, you need both. Install the SSU first, wait 15 minutes without using the computer before installing the CU KB4462918
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In Windows Update settings, one of the checkbox options is to, give me recommended updates as important updates, or similar wording. Of the six PC’s you use, does only one have that selection checked?
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That is true,
but they are well-known and documented on this site.
For a mitigation technique, please see AKB2000012
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If you have KB3177467 v2 installed, it will show in “installed Updates” as Security Update for Microsoft Windows. The older v1 was not a security update.
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Regarding Telemetry blocking in Windows 7: I upgraded Spybot anti-beacon from 1.5 to 3.1 [Free]. It resets the blocks on start-up..also blocks telemetry in some other software like firefox and bing..all 3 bing users should be thrilled..the missing element in the free version is Microsoft Office which I don’t care about. Even with some telemetry spyware embedded in the Win7 rollups, I would expect a much lower level of spying than with Win10, which Spybot A-B claims to block. For me, this is a much quicker and easier solution than the manual options I’ve seen..although I appreciate the contribution of those options.
