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  • MS-DEFCON 4: With the Win7 Monthly Rollup now working, it’s time to get everything updated

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    This topic contains 258 replies, has 51 voices, and was last updated by  PKCano 10 months, 3 weeks ago.

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    • #229374 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Between the Win7 Monthly Rollup working, and Win10 version 1809 still in the shop for repairs, we’ve hit a golden time to get your patching done. Deta
      [See the full post at: MS-DEFCON 4: With the Win7 Monthly Rollup now working, it’s time to get everything updated]

    • #229390 Reply

      anonymous

      What about September update for Group B? We were told not to install. Is it save to come out of the bunker and install September and October updates? Or should I still be hiding in the bunker from Windows updates problems?

      • #229392 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        I don’t recall a hold on Sept patches for Group B after the DEFCON go-ahead for Sept patching. There were two patches for EI11, I would use the latest or the Oct IE11 CU should be sufficient. Otherwise, go for it!

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    • #229393 Reply

      anonymous

      I waited all this time to avoid this error. Sorry but I just got the error for the Windows 7 quality rollup this morning.

      • #229399 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        OK, then you need to go through the process of clearing the “important updates” queue in Windows Update and install the Servicing Stack Upeate KB377467 v2 first. Follow the steps in #229402.

        You will need to hide the Rollup and either install or hide all the other “important” updates. Then search for updates and then install KB3177467. Wait 15 minutes to let the install complete. Unhide the Rollup and any other updates you hid and install them,

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        • #229928 Reply

          anonymous

          Running Windows 7 Home 32 bit. I assure you the error still exists. Hiding updates does not work. WU says your computer is up to date and it never offers SSU.  Should not be at Defcon 4 in regards to Windows 7 32bit.

          • #229931 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            OK, then follow the instructions under “Update” for Group B in #229402. When you click on the link for 32-bit, save the file to your desktop. Be sure you have closed all programs. Double click on the file and give it permission to install. Wait 10 minutes without doing anything on your computer for the installation to complete.

        • #242595 Reply

          HiFlyer
          AskWoody Plus

          Re: 229399 install KB3177467.
          Extra 1?

           

          • #242601 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            If you are asking if you need to installKB3177367 (the SSU for Win7) the answer is yes. SSUs have to be installed exclusively (by themselves). That means the important update queue has to be clear of any other update(s) or it can be installed manually. Be sure it’s v2 dated in Oct 2018.

    • #229395 Reply

      zero2dash
      AskWoody Lounger

      Similar to what you recommend, @woody, I follow the guidelines MS recommends for “Broad” release:
      https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-deployment-rings-windows-10-updates
      120 day deferral on feature updates, 14 days on quality updates.
      This seems to fall in line with your DEFCON rating OK quite well, and I have not had any issues.
      Currently on 1709.

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      • #229472 Reply

        radosuaf
        AskWoody Lounger

        Nice find, thanks!

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      • #229613 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        That looks like excellent advice!

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        • #242581 Reply

          Jonathan Handler
          AskWoody Lounger

          Woody,

          Wow that update information from the Windows IT Pro Center is excellent.  I had never seen that before and was unaware of the Windows IT Pro Center.  I did not read your article or this thread until today, Christmas, because last month at this time I was otherwise fully occupied.  Reading this article from Windows IT Pro Center somewhat implies to me that this has been MS’s intent with the Advanced Options since they were introduced.

          Because I only have one system currently and it is therefore a critical system, I am keeping quality updates with a 30 day delay and feature updates with a 269 day delay.

          I believe that it was PKCano who originally encouraged me a year or two ago to set the quality update delay at 30 days and the feature update delay at 120 days .

          I read Ask Woody actively enough (and will subscribe to it after you make the switchover, unless you suggest that it is easier for me to carry forward with beginning to pay before the conversion) and otherwise manage my system actively enough that I currently find it easier to click “Update Now” when I am comfortable with a quality update and to decrease the feature update delay manually from where it is to a low enough value that “x-ing out” of the Advanced Options window will trigger the feature (version) update.

          Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays,

      • #229617 Reply

        radosuaf
        AskWoody Lounger

        120 day deferral on feature updates, 14 days on quality updates. This seems to fall in line with your DEFCON rating OK quite well, and I have not had any issues. Currently on 1709.

        I assume you should be updated in the next few days (1803 was declared semi-annual on the 10th of July, 120 days deferral falls on the 7th of November, so in 4 days) – keep us updated how it worked.

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        • #229958 Reply

          rc primak
          AskWoody_MVP

          An upgrade to Version 1803 should be safe on most Windows 10 machines by now.

          -- rc primak

    • #229396 Reply

      honx
      AskWoody Lounger

      just downloading and installing these two october group b patches for both win7 and 8.1,
      after that, important (checked) office, .net, flash patches & msrt will be installed as usual.

      do i need to install v2 of servicing stack, if original one from 2016 is installed already?

      PC: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, Group B
      Notebook: Windows 8.1, 64bit, Group B

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      • #229400 Reply

        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Yes, install KB 3177467 -v2 as it is a Security Update.

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        • #229406 Reply

          honx
          AskWoody Lounger

          as kb3177467 v2 isn’t offered in windows update, where can i download it for both windows 7 64bit and windows 8 64bit?

          PC: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, Group B
          Notebook: Windows 8.1, 64bit, Group B

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          • #229409 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            KB3177467 v2 IS offered in Windows Update. See #229402 to make it appear. It is for Win7 ONLY, not Win8.1.

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            • #229414 Reply

              honx
              AskWoody Lounger

              i hide rollup, older rollup appears, i hide rollup, even older rollup appears, i hide rollup…

              i just hid july 2018 rollup and i’m searching again… no KB3177467 appears…

              and i just hid 2018-06, still no KB3177467.

              and 2018-05…

              hiding 2018-04…

              there was no 2018-03 or it was skipped for whatever reason… now i hid 2018-02…

              PC: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, Group B
              Notebook: Windows 8.1, 64bit, Group B

            • #229418 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              The “important updates” list has to be empty before the SSU shows up because it is exclusive and has to be installed by itself.

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            • #229420 Reply

              honx
              AskWoody Lounger

              besides one monthly rollup which appear all the time, important section is empty.
              and it IS completely empty, after i hid another rollup. until i search for updates again…

              it’s monthly qualitysecurity rollups which appear all the time: 2018-10, then 2018-09, then 2018-08, then 2018-07, -06, -05, -04, -02.

              now i hid 2018-01… [they] keep appearing!!!

              and now i hid 2017-12… do i have to play this silly game all the way back to 2016?

              i just hid 2017-11… seriously?

              2017-10…

              2017-09…

              2017-08…

              PC: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, Group B
              Notebook: Windows 8.1, 64bit, Group B

            • #229429 Reply

              honx
              AskWoody Lounger

              just hid 2017-7, searching for updates, then i hid 2017-06, still going back in time, still no KB3177467…

              s***. there is either a way to install KB3177467 manually somehow or i don’t need that s*…

              2017-05…

              april 2017…

              PC: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, Group B
              Notebook: Windows 8.1, 64bit, Group B

            • #229443 Reply

              honx
              AskWoody Lounger

              on windows 7 KB3177467 finally appeared, after i hid march 2017 rollup. i installed it, then i’ unhide all rollups and reboot again…
              sniffing telemetry stuff (kb 2952664, kb302197, kb3068708 and kb3080149) i keep hidden.

              on windows 8.1 notebook i’m still travelling back in time in search for KB3177467…

              PC: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, Group B
              Notebook: Windows 8.1, 64bit, Group B

            • #229445 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              The SSU is for win7 only, not for Win8.1

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            • #229447 Reply

              honx
              AskWoody Lounger

              i see, thanks!

              so i can unhide all rollups on windows 8.1 and stop going back… 😀
              on 8.1 i also leave all sniffing updates hidden…

              PC: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, Group B
              Notebook: Windows 8.1, 64bit, Group B

            • #229464 Reply

              JNP
              AskWoody Plus

              First, thanks for your tireless work in sorting through this quagmire. Second, I would like clarification on just one point: In Windows 7, and/or 8.1, are the telemetry KBs now baked into the Security and Quality Rollups or do they remain separate KBs that Microsoft continues to push to us after they have been hidden? Again, thanks.

            • #229467 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Starting with the 2018-09 Preview Rollup and continuing with the 2018-10 Security Quality Monthly Rollup  they are baked in to the Rollups on both Win7 and Win8.1 (the equivalent of KB2952664 and KB2976978). You cannot separate them out or uninstall them separately.

              Some of the options are: Group B, @abbodi86 ‘s method to neutralize the telemetry,  Group W (don’t patch at all) or move to a different OS.

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            • #229475 Reply

              anonymous

              Thanks, that was my impression, so I decided to go Back to Group B, which I had been in for some time without incident, before going back to Group A about a year ago.  Eventually, I may go the neutralization route, thanks for pointing me in the right direction for the instructions, but, for now, it’s Group B.

            • #229563 Reply

              Elly
              AskWoody MVP

              @honx, and all those updating Group B style-

              @pkcano and @mrbrian did exhaustive testing on how to get Servicing Stack updates. They will not show up in Windows Update until all other updates are either installed or hidden. For an in-depth review, see Group B – Win7/8.1 “Missing” updates, Hiding Rollups, Security-only patches.

              As a result of identifying the problem of missing these important updates, and testing, the final recommendation was made part of 2000003: Ongoing list of “Group B” monthly updates for Win7 and 8.1 in Step B7: Wash, rinse, repeat:

              Go through Steps B3 to B6 again, to see if Windows Update picked up any new patches. Repeat until there aren’t any more additional (new) patches.

              For Group A, don’t feel left out, because in 2000004: How to apply the Win7 and 8.1 Monthly Rollups instructions are given in Step A5 to repeat Steps A2 to A4 until there aren’t any additional new patches.

              These steps are needed to get the Servicing Stack Updates to reveal themselves, since if you are following installing updates by the DEFCON system you will have Windows Updates set to NEVER CHECK (not recommended). If you are a dedicated beta tester and running automatic updates, Windows Update installs these automatically… but the rest of us have to do a little extra work with automatic updating turned off.

              Now, unless you are a glutton for punishment, there is no need to unhide all those updates you don’t want. Group B, that means DO NOT UNHIDE all those Monthly Quality and Security Updates… if you unhide them, you will have to go through and hide them all again next month. I’m aware of controversy regarding the wisdom of hiding updates, and there are those that strongly oppose hiding them (usually people who wouldn’t recommend Group B updating in the first place). However, Group B is not ever intending to install the Monthly Quality and Security updates, and I haven’t had, or heard reports of any Group B adherent having problems due to these being hidden. Keep them hidden, and you will only have to hide the current Month’s Quality and Security Update next time (oh- and any other new unwanted updates that show up), in order to complete the “Wash, Rinse, Repeat” step.

              The first time you notice that you haven’t been doing the “Wash, Rinse, Repeat” step, and try to catch up, it will be tedious, but rewarding (I found three previously missing updates on my computer that way). It is much easier going forward (as long as you don’t unhide those unwanted updates). Woody has only recommended unhiding updates that you intend to install later (example- you’ve decided to skip the .Net updates until later, then unhide those). Woody does link to a summary of @mrbrian‘s work in his ComputerWorld article (not the same link I have here, but summarizing the same material).

              I’ve noticed that in the rush of excitement and trepidation of getting one’s computer updated, that people don’t actually follow all the steps, perhaps thinking that if they just apply updates then, they are good… if you look at the depth of testing on this, you will get some idea of the dedication of the MVPs here. A lot of testing was done to develop the instructions given by Woody. It isn’t just ‘update now’, but a system that works for our benefit… if you actually follow the directions…

              If you had been following the Wash, Rinse, Repeat step, you would have found and installed KB377467 v1 previously, and  KB377467 v2 this month.

              Special thanks to @woody, @pkcano, @mrbrian.

              PS- having done a little experimentation, on friends and family, as well as my computer, I’m fully aware of how long it takes to back track and hide each month’s update, and recheck when updating Group B style. Those servicing stack updates are important, and do not contain telemetry- it is worthwhile to find them and install them, not just because of current problems with KB377467. It would be nice if you could just download them from Microsoft (might work with KB377467 this month)- but be aware that depending on how you have been updating, different servicing stack updates will be uncovered as missing- from 3 to 5 on the machines I’ve done. I do not know why they differ, but they have…

              Win 7 Home, 64 bit, Group B

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            • #229565 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              @elly

              See the information on Group B in #229402.

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            • #229620 Reply

              honx
              AskWoody Lounger

              Group B, that means DO NOT UNHIDE all those Monthly Quality and Security Updates… if you unhide them, you will have to go through and hide them all again next month. I’m aware of controversy regarding the wisdom of hiding updates, and there are those that strongly oppose hiding them (usually people who wouldn’t recommend Group B updating in the first place).

              that’s the problem, i learned here on askwoody to not hide updates as hiding is messing some things up.
              unfortunately, your advice comes too late for me, after installing servicing stack v2 i unhid all rollups again…
              only bad malware stuff like kb2952664 and three other spyware patches remain hidden.

              PC: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, Group B
              Notebook: Windows 8.1, 64bit, Group B

            • #229491 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @pkcano:  Thank you so much for all of this very important information.   We are all so very fortunate to have you, as well as very grateful for you!    🙂

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        • #229623 Reply

          honx
          AskWoody Lounger

          Yes, install KB 3177467 -v2 as it is a Security Update.

          today i read this:

          If you have KB3177467 v1 or KB3177467 v2 installed already, you are good to go.

          well, i had kb3177467 v1 installed since 2016. so WHY did i have to install v2?

          PC: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, Group B
          Notebook: Windows 8.1, 64bit, Group B

          • #229624 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            Install v2 because it is classified as a “Security Update” and may be a prerequisite in the future. V1 is NOT a security update, and thus will not qualify.

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      • #229401 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Yes, install KB3177467 v2 on Win7 FIRST before the Group B patches.

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        • #229407 Reply

          honx
          AskWoody Lounger

          it’s too late for that. windows and ie patches are installed already.

          and i started searching for and installing office patches just after reboot.

          is there anything to fear for, now that v2 is the last update to be installed?

          PC: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64bit, Group B
          Notebook: Windows 8.1, 64bit, Group B

          • #229615 Reply

            woody
            Da Boss

            If the October updates installed correctly, you don’t need to worry about the Servicing Stack Update.

    • #229398 Reply

      fernlady
      AskWoody Lounger

      Success!
      I installed KB 3177467 Version 2 first, rebooted even though I didn’t have to,
      Installed KB 4459922, KB 4462923 (it was checked today), KB 890830.
      PC is working A-ok.

      Windows 7 Home Premium x64 AMD Group A Realtek PCLe GBE Family Controller

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    • #229402 Reply

      PKCano
      Da Boss

      NOTICE: It appears you will still need some version of the Servicing Stack Update KB3177467 installed on a Win7 computer before installing the Oct Rollup.

      If you have KB3177467 v1 or KB3177467 v2 installed already, you are good to go.

      If neither KB3177467 v1 or KB3177467 v2 are installed, you will need to:
      + HIDE the Rollup
      + Install or hide everything else in the “important updates” list. The “important updates” list must be empty.
      + If you just installed any updates, reboot, wait 15 minutes, search for updates. If you did not install any updates, search for updates.
      + Install KB3177467 v2 and wait 10 minutes for the installation to complete.
      + Unhide the Rollup and any other updates you hid, and install them.

      UPDATE: if you are in Group B  and have neither SSU installed you can download KB3177467 v2 32-bit or 64-bit and install it manually first. Wait 10 minutes for the installation to complete before installing other updates.

      • #229485 Reply

        sldc88
        AskWoody Lounger

        It is not perfectly clear to me. Are you saying that one has to download KB3177467 v2 before the October updates even if v1 is already installed?

        Thanks

         

         

        Win7 SP1 64bit GroupB

      • #229707 Reply

        OldBiddy
        AskWoody Plus

        Win 7 Group A 64-bit Windows Home Premium user.

        Already had KB3177467 v.1 installed from a year ago.
        These updates were offered on my system:
        The October security roll up, Outlook 2010 security update, and MSRT. Installed all three without incident except I noticed that the Word security update also installed though it hadn’t actually been offered. After all these installed ok, checked WU and saw that KB3177467 v.2 was now offered, so I installed it without issue. Didn’t ask for a reboot with v.2. In checking installed updates, noticed the latest KB3177467 v.2 shows as being installed today and v.1 doesn’t show as being installed anymore, even though it had been installed more than a year ago. I think someone else mentioned that too.
        Everything pretty much happened as @pkcano said it would. Have to say even being part of Group A is getting more complicated! Appreciate all the work the great techie volunteers do here 🙂

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      • #229723 Reply

        moonbear
        AskWoody Lounger

        Does the advice to wait 10 minutes for the install of KB3177467 (v1 or v2) to complete apply to using your system in general or just to installing the rest of this months updates? I installed KB3177467 v2 about an hour ago, but I plan to wait until tomorrow to install the rest of the group A patches. Should I restart just to be safe?

        • #229725 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          You can open the Task Manager after an install and watch the CPU usage for all processes (click button at bottom left). When it drops to 10% of less consistantly, the install is over. One processes to watch are TrustedInstaller and WindowsModuleInstaller. You will be surprised how long it takes to complete.

          Repeated rebooting during this period only interrupts the process and makes it longer.The processes have to complete anyway.

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          • #229728 Reply

            280park
            AskWoody Lounger

            PKCano – Great comment about Trusted Installer and Windows Module Installer. I have observed on an old single core processor Windows 7 machine that CPU usage sometimes goes to 100% after a Windows update, drops back down to less than 10%, and then a few minutes later soars to 100% again. It can take quite a number of minutes for CPU usage to consistently stay at a low level.

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      • #229768 Reply

        anonymous

        Just a question, I’m on group A and wouldn’t it actually be easier for me to manually install the update first from the catalogue then install the other updates. therefore skipping the whole hidding updates part ?

        • #229771 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          That works as well. There are download links to the catalog in the Group B section at the bottom here. Save you a trip to the Catalog.

    • #229411 Reply

      The Surfing Pensioner
      AskWoody Plus

      All installed very quickly, no problems at all so far, although I admit that I downloaded kb377467 from the catalogue and installed it before launching WU, as it seemed to me M/S themselves were advocating this:-

      https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3177467/servicing-stack-update-for-windows-7-sp1-and-windows-server-2008-r2-sp

      – and it sure beat playing hide and seek!

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      • #229478 Reply

        Charlie
        AskWoody Plus

        Glad you mentioned the MS Update Catalog to get KB3177467.  I was going to mention it, but since PKCano didn’t, I didn’t either.  Most Group B people are familiar with going to the MS Update Catalog.  You do have to know what you’re looking for.  In most cases it will be the 10/08/18 (V2).  I got the older one (V1) there last month (Sept. Updating).  They’re all in the Catalog.

        Win 7 Home Premium, x64, Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz, Groups B & L

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    • #229421 Reply

      TJ
      AskWoody Plus

      Just installed on my Group B – Win7 x64 in the following order:

      Oct 2018 (IE11) KB 4462949 (required reboot)
      Office365 C2R (no aut.updates) to Version 1810, build 11001.20074 (no reboot)
      Oct 2018 (SO) KB 4462915 (required reboot)

      And all seems well.

      Thanks Woody & Gang and have a nice weekend

      P.S. Didn’t see PKCano’s remarks about KB 3177467… So I installed it after the fact:
      All went well so far. (no reboot)

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    • #229431 Reply

      geekdom
      AskWoody Plus

      Windows 7 Patch Current catalog entry:

      KB3177467 last updated 10/8/2018:
      https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/search.aspx?q=3177467

      Group G{ot backup} TestBeta On hiatus.
      Win7Pro · x64 · SP1 · i3-3220 · RAM 8GB · Firefox: uBlock Origin - NoScript · HDD · Canon Printer · Microsoft Security Essentials · Windows: Backup - System Image - Rescue Disk - Firewall
      • #229456 Reply

        TJ
        AskWoody Plus

        Yep. That’s where I got it from as well.

    • #229436 Reply

      anonymous

      Hi,

      Does anyone have a list of which patches are safe to install?

      Thank you!

    • #229448 Reply

      anonymous

      I don’t recall a hold on Sept patches for Group B after the DEFCON go-ahead for Sept patching. There were two patches for EI11, I would use the latest or the Oct IE11 CU should be sufficient. Otherwise, go for it!

      I made a note in my list that there was a hold on Sept and updates not installed. May be I miss the post give the go ahead to install them. Thanks for the info.

    • #229453 Reply

      anonymous

      Yeah, let folks test the previews now so Microsoft can fix stuff until next Patch Tuesday.

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    • #229455 Reply

      anonymous

      Win7 Pro x64 on Zbook 17 Workstation Haswell, Group B.

      Kindly confirm there is no .Net Security Only October patch. Ceased doing the roll-ups when they messed with graphics software while the SO didn’t. No programs on here require higher than the installed 4.6.1. Last month the September SO for .Net was installed BTW.

      Turned on WU and checked. Was offered the October roll-ups, Defender update, MSRT and 5 Office 2010 updates. After image and data backup, hid the roll-ups, installed the Office first. Then Defender, then MSRP. Re-checked for updates and was offered the 10/08/2018 Service Stack update, so I installed it.

      First installed the October SO IE11 update and reboot; then the SO patch and reboot. Thankfully no issues but despise this time of month. 🙂

    • #229463 Reply

      OscarCP
      AskWoody Plus

      I installed all relevant October patches four days ago, as Group B, and have nothing unusual to report. As it has been invariably the case every month of every year, for all of the seven years that I have had Windows 7 Pro (Sp1, x64), and for all of the six years I had XP before that) as my OS. (I have had, like most people I know, my share of strange problems with Windows, but none that was related to patches.)

      Which might mean that exercising a little common sense and a dash of caution (e.g., by backing up one’s data, creating restore points, avoiding S&Q and “Preview” “rollups” and paying attention to people complaining about patching problems, now days mostly here at Woody’s — and to the advice given generously by others, also here) one can stay fully patched and trouble-free, at least if one has Windows 7 — and belongs to Group B.

      Also, my heartfelt thanks to PKCano, DrBonzo and all those who have repeatedly provided timely and useful safe-patching advice to everyone asking for it here. And to the Patch Lady, for her invaluable Master Patch List, my very Rosetta Stone for deciphering, amidst all the interfering noise, alarums and lamentations, what, for a Windows 7 user, may be really safe to patch.

       

      Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W(?) + Mac&Lx

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    • #229465 Reply

      BobbyB
      AskWoody Lounger

      My head hurts with the number of KBs I’m supposed” to remember!

      I went through that pain barrier some time ago running all three 7-10 at home and work just streamlined the process by recording the real “Howlers” on a scratch pad and avoiding like the plague, trusting to a prudent delay and a bit of luck in the fervent hope M$ will get it right eventually, not had an update induced BSOD or major crash since very early XP so I think its working, maybe??? 😉

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    • #229468 Reply

      Slowpoke47
      AskWoody Plus

      First two attempts to install KB4462923 failed, even with KB3177467 already installed- then saw and followed PKCano’s advice and downloaded KB377467v2 from this site.  Installation seemed successful, restarted computer, etc., but this item is not in the installed updates list.  Still no joy with the Oct. rollup, same “unknown error” appears.  What’s my next step?

      Windows 7 HP and Linux Mint Mate 19.2

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      • #229470 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Are you sure you got the right bitedness for KB3177467? There is a link for 32-bit and 64-bit. It should show up in “view installed updates” under Windows Update. Sort the list by date to see today’s installs.

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        • #229527 Reply

          Slowpoke47
          AskWoody Plus

          Yes, I’m sure.  Earlier today when I tried this, I clicked on your 64 bit link in#229402, and was led through a download-and- install procedure, including rebooting the machine.  Just tried it again now, about 4:50 pm, and got a message back that this update is not applicable to my computer.  But the October Rollup still fails.  What’s my next step?

          Followup- Just looked back at installed updates, and the June Security Monthly Quality Rollup, KB4284826, also failed back then, showing 4 tries to install, but I never got a failed message for that one.  No other Monthly Rollups since then, due to the MS update problems during the summer.

          As of now, the October Rollup, KB4462923, is no longer offered in the list of updates, but it is listed as failed 4 times.

          Windows 7 HP and Linux Mint Mate 19.2

          • #229537 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            Then you need to pursue the problem that started in June and fix it first. But that will be off-topic for this thread.

            • #229541 Reply

              Slowpoke47
              AskWoody Plus

              Could you possibly give me a lead of where to ask?  I have no clue where to go with this.  Thanks!

              Windows 7 HP and Linux Mint Mate 19.2

            • #229551 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Start a topic under your version of Windows and see if you can get an answer there. You will need version of Windows you are running, the mfg, model and hardware description of your PC, and some information about the updates installed and when.

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    • #229479 Reply

      CADesertRat
      AskWoody Plus

      I installed KB 3177467 in Sept. just before installing the Sept. Rollups (Grp A) and today since we are at Defcon 4 I installed the MSRT, KB 4462923 Sec. Rollup, and the optional .NET KB 4459922 (since Susan gave the green light). No problems so far.

      Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
      4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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      • #229482 Reply

        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Make sure you install KB 3177467-v2 which was issued in October 2018 and is now a security update.

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        • #229497 Reply

          CADesertRat
          AskWoody Plus

          sorry, I wasn’t logged in on my last post

          Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
          4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

        • #229496 Reply

          anonymous

          Are you sure it’s needed since the WU installs went without error?? Maybe the Sept. KB 3177467 is all that is needed.

          • #229501 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            @cadesertrat

            Yes, you need it, because it is classified ad a “Security Update” where the older version is not.

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            • #229504 Reply

              CADesertRat
              AskWoody Plus

              So in other words, I need to go to the catalog and get it since it doesn’t show up in WU?

              Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
              4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

            • #229509 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              If you clear the “important updates” queue, it will show up. If you are in Group B that is a lot of hiding. Use the link at the bottom of #229402.

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            • #229514 Reply

              anonymous

              Ok, I’m confused then because I have already installed the Sept. & Oct “Important” Rollups so if I want V2 of KB 3177467 I need to just go to the catalog and get it don’t I?

              Note: I understand your referenced post as hiding all current “Important” WU’s but is that necessary since I can just get the KB from the catalog and I have already installed the Oct. Rollups anyway? The only important update showing is KB 2952664 which I uncheck every time I do WU’s. I’ve tried hiding it before and it’s like a bad penny that keeps showing up.

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            • #229521 Reply

              CADesertRat
              AskWoody Plus

              Ok I hid KB 2952664 and sure enough KB 3177467 showed up, sorry for the confusion, it’s downloading as I write this. Evidently your trying to tell me that I need it through WU instead of the catalog for some reason. I don’t understand it and it’s not listed as a Security update but it is installed.

              Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
              4 Win 10 Pro currently 1809 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

            • #229523 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              You can download it from my post referenced above – 32-bit or 64-bit. Save you a trip to the Cat.

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    • #229483 Reply

      anonymous

      Win 7 Pro & Win 10 Pro ( Group A )   I have both versions of KB3177467 installed in 7. Just got through updating 7 & 10 and Office 365. All updates installed flawlessly with no problems and all is working well.

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    • #229490 Reply

      anonymous

      ? says:

      win 7 32 bit Group “B”

      first installed the stand-a-lone’s

      KB3177467-v2

      KB446294-=Oct.-IE

      KB4462915-Oct. S.O.

      reboot, search Window’s Update:>

      2 Important: KB4462923-October rollup (hid) and KB890830 Oct. MSRT (installed)

      3 Optional: KB4462927-Preview OCT. rollup (hid), KB4462500-Oct. .Net preview (hid), KB4459922-Oct. S&Q .Net (unchecked, italicized) 9Hid)

      Office 2010: 5 Important

      KB4092482-P.P., KB4092483-Office, KB4461466-Excel, KB4222482-Office, KB4092439-Word

      reboot, working well, Disk cleanup + DISM nothing there

      thanks for the “GREEN Lite.”

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    • #229516 Reply

      Krypton
      AskWoody Plus

      Hi

      Windows 7 Home x64  Office 2010

      At last managed to install checked KB4462923 but have not been offered Office 2010 updates through WU even though my settings are at notify me but let me choose when to download, even when I check for updates nothing offered.  Why is this?

      I also notice the .NET KB4459922 is now optional and unchecked.  Should this be checked and installed now?    To add to the confusion there is also a preview .NET KB4462500 optional unchecked which I don’t plan to install based on previous advice.

      Found the 5 office 2010 updated in MS download centre, downloaded individually and installed.  No problems.  Is there a way I can get them offered with my monthly rollup updates?      Any help appreciated.

      Thanks

      • #229525 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        In Windows Update, click on Change settings (on the upper left). There should be a check box for “Give me updates for other Microsoft Products” – check it to get Office updates through WU.

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    • #229536 Reply

      Krypton
      AskWoody Plus

      There is a check box for “give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates”. Nothing about Microsoft products.  However when I checked give me recommended updates……. the .NET KB4459922 is now showing as important and its box checked along with about 25 other windows updates going back about 2 years (should I just hide these?).

      • #229548 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        I would find out what they were first, and see if you want to install them,

        • #229555 Reply

          Krypton
          AskWoody Plus

          Thanks PKCano but I am not computer savvy enough to go through them all and make decisions to install or hide.  These were previously all under optional and now under important since I checked the box to “give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates”!  As pc is working fine shall not tempt fate and just install the most recent updates.  Microsoft OS updates are a real pain and time waster.

           

           

          • #229625 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            Go back and uncheck the box “give me recommended” then search for updates again. All those should disappear into the unchecked “optional list” again.

    • #229540 Reply

      anonymous

      Installed KB4462923 tonight, rebooted and found the startup to be very lengthy. Upon getting into Windows it told me it had made a temporary swap file as the original one was corrupt. Something in this update had taken out my newly installed SSD (with the page file on it and three game directories). Took me the better part of an hour to fix that, via CHKDSK and retaking ownership.

      I’ll be holding off with installing Windows Updates again in the future.

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      • #229545 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        did you install the Servicing Stack Update KB3177467 v2 first before the Rollup?

        • #229558 Reply

          anonymous

          No, I didn’t know about that one before coming here. And I only came here after I had fixed all troubles. V1 of that patch was installed without problems on the 20th.

          • #229560 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            If you had v1 installed, then the SSU wasn’t the problem.

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    • #229547 Reply

      dgreen
      AskWoody Lounger

      WOW ms-defcon is a 4.
      I’m speechless.
      well, kind of.

      Reporting in on installing October patches.
      Could not get KB3177467 v2 to show itself in WU using the instructions.
      So instead I used PKCano’s link to get it. 
      It installed without a problem.
      Rebooted and waited about 10 minutes.

      Checked my installed updates and v2 showed as installed and noted that v1 (installed 11/2017) was now gone from installed list.(was there when I last checked a week ago)

      Installed KB4462923 (rollup), rebooted then installed KB4459922 (.net rollup).
      No issues with either updates.
      Rebooted did a windows update check and KB3150513 showed up.
      I think I read to hide it, and I did.

      Also of note, I checked my install list for KB2952664, none there.
      However it is still listed, as it has been for a long time, in my “hidden” list.

      Dell Inspiron 660 (new hard drive installed and Windows 7 reloaded Nov. 2017)
      Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit SP 1 GROUP A
      Processor: Intel i3-3240 (ivy bridge 3rd generation)
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    • #229549 Reply

      anonymous

      NTDBD checking in…installed KB4462923, no issues.  Checked again, was offered KB3177467 v2, installed without issue.

      Thanks to all the crew who fearlessly trod the KB minefield to make this possible! Y’all are super!

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    • #229564 Reply

      anonymous

      Windows 7 SP1 64bit, with Broadcom network card. Group B.

      Installed October’s updates; KB3177467, IE KB4462949, SO KB4462915.

      From the catalog; Installed KB3177467 first, IE KB4462949 2nd, SO KB4462915 3rd.

      Installed one at a time. Rebooted in between each update letting it sit 1 minute after update was installed.

      No network issues. No oddities.

      Rebooted 3 times and let it sit for several minutes.

      I would recommend people on the last reboot to go to the desktop and let it sit 45 to 60 minutes to Process Idle Tasks and let the trusted installer (as per PKCano) do its thing.

      No Problems.

      Thanks to all here.

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    • #229577 Reply

      willygirl
      AskWoody Plus

      Win7 64bit, home, Group A

      KB3177467 was installed Nov 2016

      After installing Win7 October Monthly Rollup, reboot, then Office 2010 updates (For the past couple of months I’ve installed Office updates separately after the Rollup, no particular reason other than taking on one subject at a time). Success

      KB3177467 v2 showed up, installed perfectly, no reboot required but I did it anyway. Success.

      Thanks for everything. Y’all are the best, really, you are.

      Win7 SP1 Home 64-bit, GrpA

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    • #229578 Reply

      krutzy
      AskWoody Lounger

      Sorry to all if somewhere in this massive thread my answer lies.  My system tries to install KB4462923 and I get the error code 80073701.  I did check and these installed correctly:
      KB3177467 installed correctly on 10/12
      KB4457008 installed correctly on 10/11
      KB4463376 installed correctly on 9/16 and
      KB4457044 installed correctly on 9/11

      I have Win 7 Ultimate x64 with Intel Duo.

      Appreciate any help

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    • #229583 Reply

      willygirl
      AskWoody Plus

      Win7, 64bit, Home, Group A, just installed Oct Rollup a couple of hours ago
      Anyone who has the answer –
      Updates to avoid as seen on previous posts here at Woody’s were noted as follows
      KB2952664 I had this update hidden but now shows up installed on 7.17.2016 (Plus, I read in the link I have noted below that this update was now “baked” into the Rollup for Oct for Win7. – PKCano)
      KB3150513 shows up installed 5.12.2016
      Reference the link at Woody’s earlier this month https://www.askwoody.com/2018/patch-tuesday-the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-and-the-hopeless/

      Though I had KB2952664 hidden from previous Rollups, it now shows up as being installed back in July 2016. KB3150513 is there in my Oct rollup as well (from the info given at the link I’ve included here, this update fixes a bug in KB2952664?). With the two of these updates installed, have I now given Microsoft the thumbs up on snooping into my Win7 machine? And, should I uninstall both? Thanks

      One more – 2018-10 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, 4.7.2 for Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4459922)
      Listed as Optional, didn’t install. Should I install it even though it wasn’t checked? I noted once before where Woody mentioned not to install anything not checked on this update list.

      Win7 SP1 Home 64-bit, GrpA

      • #229626 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        The functionality of KB2952664 is now baked into the Monthly Rollups – is not a separate patch anymore and will not show up as installed in Oct 2018.

        KB3150513 updates the database for KB2952664 (a complement to it). It is still a separate patch and will show up in the “important updates” list because you have essentially installed KB2952664 with the Rollup. It is not necessary. You can hide it.

        See #229467 above.

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        • #229657 Reply

          willygirl
          AskWoody Plus

          @pkcano

          KB3150513 shows up installed 5.12.2016. And is listed as “Recommended”, same for KB2952664, but now says that was installed 7.17.2016. That just doesn’t make sense based on what you’re saying. Can I uninstall the two since they both show up separately and as “Recommended” plus both are showing up as installed in 2016. I had put KB2952664 in hiding back in 2016 but now it’s in. As is its buddy KB3150513. Confused.

           

          UPDATE. I went ahead and uninstalled the two updates KB3150513 and its snoop partner KB2952664. KB…0513 first then KB…2664. Since the two were showing up separately installed on my Win7 machine in 2016 and listed as “Recommended”, I felt it wouldn’t be a big problem. Just did this and it seems so far everything is running good. But since you’re saying KB2952664 is baked into the Oct Monthly Rollup, it’s probably still there correct? No big deal. If MS Win10 wants me they’ll find a way. If the machine continues to run good I’m good. Thanks for all your help.

          Win7 SP1 Home 64-bit, GrpA

          • #229669 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            KB2952664’s functionality is there, but you won’t see it listed in installed updates b/c it’s no longer separate. BUT, it’s companion will show up in WU because the functionality is there.

            You can HIDE IT!

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            • #229680 Reply

              willygirl
              AskWoody Plus

              But it did show up as a standalone as I mentioned a few times. Both did. kB2952664 shows up in my Installed Uodates with today’s date now. The other is gone. KB2952664 under Uodate History lists it as being installed back in 2016. I’m serious here and giving you all the weird details. I’m just not going to worry about it anymore. Thanks pk

              Win7 SP1 Home 64-bit, GrpA

          • #229676 Reply

            willygirl
            AskWoody Plus

            Reference #229657
            After uninstalling both KB3150513 and KB2952664, they popped up again under Installed Updates but this time with the current date 11.3.2018. I uninstalled them both again and now KB3150513 is gone but KB2952664 remains, and as I said the latter has today’s date of installation now. So yeah KB…2664 is baked in. I’m done. If anything weirder happens I’ll post it.

            Win7 SP1 Home 64-bit, GrpA

            • #229701 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              I can offer this information:

              KB2952664 has never been installed on any of my computers. I have installed the October Rollup and KB2952667 still does not appear in installed updates.

              There have been MANY MANY versions of KB2952664 over the past three(?) years. To remove it from installed updates, you have to uninstall ALL the versions. If you uninstall the latest, the next earliest shows up (same KB number so it looks the same but it isn’t). You have to keep going backward until you get them all. Somewhere in this site there is a script to do it – I think it was @goneTo Plaid ‘s.

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        • #229731 Reply

          LH
          AskWoody Plus

          Just a point of clarification …

          From what you (and others) say, I gather that KB2952664 is the code patch and KB3150513 is the database that the former patch needs(?) to function.  So if you have KB2952664 installed (any/all versions), but KB3150513 is NOT installed, then KB2952664 will not function (whether the latter is installed as a freestanding patch or as part of the October rollup).  And that is why you are stressing that you can HIDE KB3150513.  Is this more or less correct?

          I am currently Group B, but have been considering moving to Group A at some stage.  However, news that KB2952664 functionality has now been incorporated into the monthly rollup has made me think again.  But if the functionality can be disabled simply by not installing KB3150513, then it may be OK.  At least until MS decides to put that into a rollup as well !!

          Along with many others, I say thank you for all you do for this group, and all your patience in answering the same questions over and over (I hope that my question does not come under this banner!).

           

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          • #229736 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            KB3150513 just updates the data for KB2952664 (or its functionality). So you will keep getting KB3150513 every time MS wants to update the data. KB2952664 (or its functionality) will keep working, it just won’t be up to date.

            Consider the alternatives. See #229467 above.

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    • #229575 Reply

      anonymous

      This is almost comical.  I’m not sure, but I think it may be easier to transform lead to gold than it is to keep Windows updated (safely).

      Why not just update to a baseline (say May 2017), then turn off all updating, and live happily ever after?

      I know many will lament the safety issues inherent with this approach, but the reality is that if I let Windows update, I’m almost guaranteed to have issues, but if I never update (except when there is a real and verifiable problem, not like Spectre or Meltdown), stay behind a firewall, and exercise rational vigilance, I’ll be much better off.

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      • #229597 Reply

        anonymous

        Anonymous, while I do agree that Window’s updates is getting comical but annoying, you need to examine Canadian Tech’s method. He manages 150 130 computers and does not update Windows.

        “The really interesting aspect is that since we stopped ALL Microsoft updates of any kind in May 2017, these machines have become extremely stable and reliable. My workload in support has fallen of to well below 50% of what it was. Clearly, the age-old rage for updating is just plain wrong– at least at this point for private owners.”

        Usage share blips — Win7 goes up, Win10 goes down

        I, my friends, and others out there still have Windows XP machines and “no, the world has not stopped turning” because of us that use a non supported OS.

        https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/usage-share-blips-win7-goes-up-win10-goes-down/#post-220587

        • #229658 Reply

          anonymous

          Anonymous, Anonymous back at you.  As it turns out, my consulting company manages well over 500 computers spread across about 40 companies, ranging from 5 and under offices up to 100 user offices.  Our experience mimics Canadian Tech’s since we follow the same practice.  On occasion we’ve had to move the baseline forward and load newer updates, but we still install Win 7, install a few updates, then set auto update to Never.  These computers do not give us any trouble other than the occasional user issues.

          On the other hand, the mere 7 Windows 10 laptops/Desktops we support just never seem to work right.  Aside from the things that plain just don’t work using Win 10, we get a never ending litany of things like “Where did my icons go?”, “Why doesn’t this open in acrobat anymore?”, “Didn’t you put Firefox on here?”, “Why doesn’t my computer work anymore?”, or just recently for two different users on the same morning, “I just turned it on this morning and it won’t even boot.”  We think that was due to a failed Win 10 update and required a complete wipe and reinstall.

          So, we’ll continue to stay in the Win 7 with no updating camp until such time as that OS no longer works in the real world, and we’ll use refurbished equipment that supports Win 7 even though we’d like to use newer equipment.  Hopefully by then a valid alternative to Microsoft will exist.

          Likely a pipe dream though since Microsoft earnings in the short term are quite good now and they continue their cloud forward march.

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    • #229576 Reply

      frankus333
      AskWoody Lounger

      G’day folks

      I have an old Dell desktop, 32 bit, running Win 7 SP1 which hasn’t been updated since April 2017.  I wanted to crank it up again, and ran WU, and was presented with a range of updates as follows:

      S&Q .Net updates (2017-09, 2017-11, 2018-09, 2018-10),
      a separate .Net 4.7.2 update,
      two Security Monthly Quality Rollups (2017-12, 2018-10),
      MSRTs for Feb and Oct 2018.

      The SSU KB3177467 was installed October 2016.

      Is it safe to just let these run as they are?  Any I should hide, at least temporarily, or sequence?

      Many thanks for all your diligent efforts.

      • #229627 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        S&Q .Net updates (2017-09, 2017-11, 2018-09, 2018-10), a separate .Net 4.7.2 update, two Security Monthly Quality Rollups (2017-12, 2018-10), MSRTs for Feb and Oct 2018. The SSU KB3177467 was installed October 2016. Is it safe to just let these run as they are? Any I should hide, at least temporarily, or sequence?

        + The .NET 4.7.2 (no “Rollup” in the name) is probably the off-line installer for the latest version of .NET. Hold off installing this one on Win7 for now – HIDE it for later.
        + you will need the rest of the updates.

        Even though you have KB3177467 v1 installed, to be on the safe side, I would install KB3177467 v2 FIRST. You can download it from the links at the bottom of #229402 (be sure you get the right bitedness) and manually install it. Then wait 10 minutes to let the installation finish before you install the other updates.

        • #229633 Reply

          anonymous

          Thanks PKCano

          Unfortunately, the machine began to download and install everything in the background, despite my normal setting of “Never Check for updates”.   When it had finished, all but the SMQ Rollup for 2017-12 had installed successfully.  WU then presented the SSU v2 update you advised as a checked update, which I installed successfully.  The above Rollup didn’t show up again.

          I checked WU settings and discovered it was now set to “Update Automatically”.  I was not aware that MS could fiddle with these settings in Win 7; I put it back to “Never Check” and will have to keep a closer eye on settings for surreptitious changes, as required with Win 10.

          The telemetry update (KB2952664), which I normally deselect before updating,  also got installed.  I’m inclined to give up on trying to avoid the telemetry KBs.  I don’t care much about whether MS is “snooping”, unless this helps them to more easily mess with my WU settings, or causes significant performance drain.  Are either of these considered to actually be significant downsides to the telemetry updates?

          • #229634 Reply

            frankus333
            AskWoody Lounger

            OOPS; Sorry, I was not logged in for my reply above (#229633).

            I now think the WU setting wasn’t “changed”, but rather not set up for “Never” in my admin account, which I was using for the updating this time.  I usually only use the limited user account on this machine, and do updates from there, so probably never bothered to set up the WU settings in the admin account.

          • #229636 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            See #229467 about the telemetry.

            • #229645 Reply

              frankus333
              AskWoody Lounger

              Thanks PKCano
              That thread seems to be saying the telemetry is now unavoidable if I stick to monthly rollups.  I presume the separate telemetry KBs won’t be presented anymore in future.

              The thread also suggests ways to avoid telemetry (Group B, scripts/manual eradication and alternate OSes).  My question was more about what the downsides of telemetry really are.  I remember some association with the GWX saga in the past, but not much else.  I presume the possibility of easier manipulation of my machine  by MS and/or performance drag are the most obvious downsides, but wonder how bad these really are, and if there are other reasons to avoid the telemetry?

              Sorry, this may be obvious to most here, but I seem to have lost track of it.  If there is no quick and easy link you can point me to, don’t waste any of your valuable time on writing an explanation.  I doubt I will want to experiment with anything other than Group A processes.

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            • #229646 Reply

              geekdom
              AskWoody Plus

              It’s rather unknown the downsides of telemetry, in as much as Microsoft does not report data collection contents.

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            • #229652 Reply

              frankus333
              AskWoody Lounger

              Thanks geekdom

              If power corrupts, I guess it is possible that the power to pull information from our machines has influenced MS to slide from sloppiness, penny pinching on quality assurance to outright clandestine malevolence.  Although possible, I suspect/hope it is unlikely.

              Has the telemetry been shown to affect performance?  I guess it clearly does facilitate their ability to thwart our attempts to thwart them.

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            • #229648 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Personally. I decided to stay on the Group A path with all my Win7/8.1 machines (8 VMs and 4 old hardware installs). But I’m not a supporter of MS’s telemetry either.

              I have used @abbodi86 ‘s command line to create a task to run the script provided automatically on startup. I looked over the script to find out what it did (I usually don’t run other people’s scripts) and it passed my scrutiny. @abbodi86 is one of the most knowledgeable people that contribute here.

              If you can’t beat ’em, at least you can neutralize ’em.

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    • #229581 Reply

      anonymous

      “Those of you running Win10 1703 will need to upgrade to 1709, 1803 or possibly 1809 before the November patches arrive.”

      Do we *really* have to, though? What if we don’t upgrade? I myself am not in the mood for these cheesy Windows 10 upgrades reinstalling Candy Crush onto my system for the umpteenth time… if it even manages to get that far without bricking my machine.

      On an important note, I don’t update through Windows Update anymore; I download updates directly from the catalog and install them there.

      • #229628 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        HINT: If you disconnect from the Internet before you install the update, you may not get Sandy Crush again.

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    • #229609 Reply

      dgreen
      AskWoody Lounger

      Of Note….

      I checked my “installed updates” from yesterday 11/2.
      I noticed that KB4457008 was listed as installed.
      I thought WTH?  I did not install this.

      After a little research, and checking Susan’s Master Patch List,
      I clinked on the link for KB4457008.
      I see that this was part of a .net Preview rollup back in Sept.
      Apparently they rolled this into the Oct. rollup update.

      I thought the  .net updates were totally separate from monthly rollups.
      This is what it “fixes”

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      • #229631 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        FYI: The .NET Rollup is a bundle of separate patches, one for each version of .NET. Each of the separate patches have a unique KB number separate from the .NET Rollup.

        Windows Update will check which version(s) is installed on the PC and  automatically install the separate patches accordingly. So you will not see the .NET Rollup’s KB number, but the number of each individual patch(s) applied.

        The .NET patches are not part of the Windows SQMR.

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    • #229630 Reply

      anonymous

      This is like ‘Dear Abby’ for the windows update desperate and confused. Considering Microsoft is as desperate and confused about updating windows, it is no wonder it is a popular place to ask for advise.

      Our love/hate relationship with Windows continues, it has always been a troubled affair.

      Advise from a reader to the forlorn: As with any other advise column (aka this forum), your very problem is one that someone else has already aired and shared in the column (aka the thread). The advise you seek is also there. All you have to do is start at the top and scan down.

      • #229642 Reply

        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Thank you to those who manage to install updates successfully and take the time and effort to report here to the benefit of everyone.

        Thank you to those who don’t install updates successfully, but take the time and effort to report difficulties also to the benefit of everyone.

        To those who report on updates, thank you. Your reports help.

         

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        Win7Pro · x64 · SP1 · i3-3220 · RAM 8GB · Firefox: uBlock Origin - NoScript · HDD · Canon Printer · Microsoft Security Essentials · Windows: Backup - System Image - Rescue Disk - Firewall
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    • #229637 Reply

      CraigS26
      AskWoody Plus

      For those still posturing for action … I never Saw the Oct Rollup in WU Until I installed V2 of Kb3177467 / V1 was Inst’d Oct ’16.

      I did Not See V2 Until I inst’d (Macrium image @ ready) Office ’10 stuff, MSRT, 4.7.2 Net Frmwk AND HID (2) remaining Optionals (Optionals may not req Hide but I did). Per PKC, you can Hide All of WU and V2 Should Appear in next Search IF not offered already. FWIW, a Manual Attempt to Inst V2 FROM the Catalog netted “Already Installed, so it didn’t recognize (guess) the meta-data difference between V1 & V2 … WU was Only V2 way for me.

      Once V2 Inst’d THEN I was offered the Oct Rollup, which Inst’d without issue….Some saw Rollup and maybe V2 without all that BUT your path may have to duplicate mine. FYI..

      W10-64 1909 Home / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / i5-8400/ 12 GB / 256 SSD + 1 TB HDD / InSpectre #8 = GREEN

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    • #229649 Reply

      RetiredGeek
      AskWoody MVP

      Hey Y’all,

      I updated my Dell Inspiron 1564 laptop (Win 7 HP SP-1) yesterday with out issue.

      win71102updates

      HTH 😎

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
      Computer Specs

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      • #229653 Reply

        anonymous

        @retiredgeek

        This is somewhat off-topic, but why in the world did your installation of MSE receive two separate updates of the same definition, version 1.279.1033.0 yesterday? Both updates are, after all, listed as being successful.

        Things that make you go “HMMM….”

    • #229655 Reply

      280park
      AskWoody Lounger

      Re: KB4022138 Security Update for Microsoft PowerPoint Viewer 2010 32-Bit Edition published 10/9/2018.

      The above update is included in the list of updates reported by Windows Update on my Windows 7 machine. I can not find it on Susan Bradley’s October Master Patch List. Does anyone know if it is safe to install?

      Thanks.

      • #229662 Reply

        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        DuckDuckGo tells me many things:
        https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4022138

        Group G{ot backup} TestBeta On hiatus.
        Win7Pro · x64 · SP1 · i3-3220 · RAM 8GB · Firefox: uBlock Origin - NoScript · HDD · Canon Printer · Microsoft Security Essentials · Windows: Backup - System Image - Rescue Disk - Firewall
        • #229718 Reply

          280park
          AskWoody Lounger

          O. K. It is in the Microsoft Update Catalog. But is it safe to install?

          • #230312 Reply

            Elly
            AskWoody MVP

            I’m thinking that the Powerpoint Viewer 2010 would be similar to Powerpoint in Office 2010.
            In addition, the update description for your viewer and for the full Powerpoint 2010 have the same description:

            This security update resolves vulnerabilities in Microsoft Office that could allow remote code execution if a user opens a specially crafted Office file.

            So, I’m thinking that the same thing is being updated in the viewer as the full Powerpoint. There are no problems being reported for either update. I have the full Office 2010 Suite, and no problems noted in updating.

            Win 7 Home, 64 bit, Group B

            • #230411 Reply

              280park
              AskWoody Lounger

              Elly – I just installed without any difficulties KB4022138 and my PowerPoint Viewer 2010 works fine. Thank you for your information.

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    • #229659 Reply

      James Bond 007
      AskWoody Lounger

      Group B, Windows 7 / Windows 8.1 x64.

      Despite the 4 setting, I am in no hurry to patch. My systems are only at August 2018 level (minus the IE patches). Windows Update is disabled on all my systems.

      Having waited for 6 months between January and July this year before finally patching up to June 2018 level, another 4 months before patching up to August 2018 level, and have had no problems security or otherwise, I am now convinced that there is no need to install patches “on time” unless there is a serious security problem, and I am not going to patch every month before the next Patch Tuesday from now on. I will wait for any belated problems that may appear, and for months if necessary.

      I will probably wait at least until December or January this time before deciding when to patch and to which level.

      If I am forced to Windows 10 in the future, I will do the same. Will disable Windows Update using Group Policies and only install patches when I want to, not when Microsoft wants to.

      Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.

    • #229672 Reply

      anonymous

      On win 7 group B, what about KB3172605 from https://www.askwoody.com/2018/the-most-recent-servicing-stack-updates/ . I have that update installed first and in the article it says to install it second, what can I do. Any info will be appreciated.

      Thank you.

      • #229684 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        + Install the Servicing Stack KB3177467 v2 first. Find a download link in #229402 above. Wait 10 minures for the installation to complete.
        + Install the two October Group B patches. Reboot. Wait 15 minutes for the installation to complete.
        + Windows Update: Search for updates. Hide any you don’t want to install. KB3172605 is safe to install if it’s checked. Install any CHECKED updates you want to install. Reboot.

        • #229693 Reply

          anonymous

          PKCano: See my old post 225831, which described me getting an error 0x80004005 resulting in non-install of Oct. ’18 Secur-only Win7 x64 patch.

          This happened right after my successful install of KB3177467, V2, followed by a reboot. (V 1 of that patch has been on this machine for 2 years.) I have seen a couple of recent AskW posts, incl. yours above, speaking of taking a 10-minute delay after install of the V 2 update. Why the wait time?

          Do you suppose that could’ve caused the failure to install my 10/2018 secur patch? Error I got said “Package KB4462915 failed to be changed to the Installed state.”

          • #229743 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            KB3177467 doesn’t require a reboot, but It takes a while for it to complete installing. If you reboot immediately you interrupt the installation. Then it takes more time for the computer finish booting. Then if you immediately try to install the other patches, there is a chance that the SSU has not completed installing. See #229725 above. (Of course, that doesn’t rule out other problems).

            But, have patience, Grasshopper.

            • #229772 Reply

              anonymous

              Thank you, Doctor! 😉 PK, you are one of the real champs on this board. I don’t see how you & the other senior ones do it! You all’s guidance, smarts and help are just simply invaluable. Again, profuse thanks for your help! — Anon, but sometimes a/k/a Dpacific.

        • #229741 Reply

          anonymous

          The way I see it, anon says he already has KB3172605 installed, and is asking if he can install them in reverse order.He most likely installed KB3172605 in 2016 when it was sent to windows update and checked.

        • #229745 Reply

          walker
          AskWoody Lounger

          @pkcano:  I thought I had posted a question about Servicing Stack KB3177467, however I cannot locate it.   I am Group A., and I’ve never received this Servicing Stack so I have nothing in the pending updates to guide me.   Is there any method which I may use to get this Servicing Stack, if I need it?   Apologies if this is a duplicate of an earlier message.  Thank you for your patience and assistance.

          • #229750 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            The “important updates” list has to be empty before you will see the Servicing Stack Update  KB3177467. And it has to be installed by itself.

            Write down the KB numbers of all the updates in the “important updates” list (not the “optional updates”). Then hide them temporarily. Once there no updates left under “important,” search for updates. You should see KB3177467 v2 – install it.

            Do nothing on your computer for 10 minutes.
            Then unhide the updates on the list you made (only the ones on the list).
            That will cause a search for updates and you can install them.

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            • #229940 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @pkcano:  Thank you so very, very much for the information you have provided!  For some unknown reason I had difficulty finding your reply, however I was persistent until I found it.  With so much detailed information to follow, I am hoping and praying that I will be able to get back to it this afternoon.    Thank you, thank you, thank you!   I will do my very best to follow the instructions to the letter.   You are a “TRUE STAR” of our “mvps”.     🙂

            • #230335 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @pkcano:    I have all of the instructions you provided, however I would like to verify (since there are so many different scenarios being referenced in numerous posts) that the instructions provided for me are for  the following:

              Windows 7, Home Premium, 64x, Group A.

              I do not want to follow directions for another OS, etc., and then have insurmountable problems.   I am definitely not questioning you, only “myself” since I am so far behind and would like to get everything corrected without making an errors.   I haven’t installed any updates since July 2018.

              My apology for not asking for verification sooner before I began to put my directions together.  Thank you once again for your most valued assistance.   Once I get everything accomplished, hopefully I will be fully recovered and have no more lapses.     The words “thank you” cannot begin to fully express my deepest gratitude for your guidance, patience, and never-ending help.    God Bless You!    🙂

            • #230340 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              The directions in #229750 are correct for Win7. You can follow those directions.

              The other option is to download KB3177467 and manually install it first before the other updates. Do you know how to manually install an update? Have you done it before?

            • #230346 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @pkcano:    Thank you for the directions you provided in #229750.  I will try to locate that message..

              It has been so long since I downloaded and manually installed an update that I cannot recall how it was managed.   I had assistance from the forum here, and that is the reason I was able to successfully perform that maneuver.

              I will “try”, however will not be able to do that immediately.   Thank you once again for your instructions.   I will do my best when the time comes.    Your computer expertise is absolutely amazing.    Thank you once again for all that you do, PKCano.    🙂

               

              The directions in #229750 are correct for Win7. You can follow those directions.

              The other option is to download KB3177467 and manually install it first before the other updates. Do you know how to manually install an update? Have you done it before?

            • #231741 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @pkcanoSuccess!  I followed your instructions to the letter, and I am overjoyed to have this issue resolved at last.   Thank you, thank you, thank you! (and I could never add enough of those to express my deepest gratitude and respect for your amazing expertise).

              I found one “old” update in the Important List, and researched it on Ask Woody, and found that it was recommended that it be hidden, so that clears up everything.   It was KB4054530 from July 2018.

              Nothing in the Optional List.

              Thank you once again, PKCano for the outstanding assistance in helping me to get the Important update  List cleared up.  🙂  🙂

          • #229753 Reply

            anonymous

            Hello Walker. If you can not get KB3177467 to appear, you can get it from the MS catalog and find your OS version and download it. We got ours from there (we are group B). You will also see both the 2016 and 2018 versions.

            https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB3177467

             

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            • #229927 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @anonymous:  Thank you for the information.   There are SO many messages, and many don’t even reference if they are Win 10, or other OS, or Group A or Group B, etc.    Once a person gets this far behind it is almost impossible to get “dug out”.    I don’t have any sign of a “Stack” or how to get it, etc.  Without detailed information on so many issues it’s difficult to try to make any kind of a decision of “where to start from”.    Thank you for much for the “ray of hope” which is out there somewhere.    There are just too many configurations,  other programs which the “computer illiterate” do not have, etc. and this makes it very difficult for those who are NOT well versed about computers.   I agree with ch100 who seems to have alluded once  that many of the updates are only for IT people.   Thank you once again for taking the time to post your comments.    🙂

        • #230028 Reply

          anonymous

          Maybe I wasn’t clear I already have KB3172605 installed and if I install KB3177467 it will be in reverse order from the article. I’m the anon who asked the question. Again any information whether it’s possible to install those two in reverse order without any problems to my OS will be appreciated.

          Thank you.

          • #230030 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            I’ve had KB3172605 installed on my computers since it was issued. I’ve installed KB3177467 v2 without incident on 4 of my computers so far this month. You shouldn’t have a problem.

            That is, of course, an indication, not a guarantee.

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    • #229694 Reply

      anonymous

      why everyone here in comments recommended install updates in this order:
      KB3177467-v2
      KB446294-=Oct.-IE
      KB4462915-Oct. S.O.

      why not?
      KB3177467-v2
      KB4462915-Oct. S.O.
      KB446294-=Oct.-IE

      Is it important?

      • #229708 Reply

        DrBonzo
        AskWoody Plus

        In previous months I’ve installed the IE 11 and SO patches in both orders. I’ve never had a problem with either order.

        This month I think to be on the safe side you want to install the SSU (KB31777467) first, before either IE 11 or SO.

        Last night I patched my Win 7 Starter 32 bit Group B test machine using the first order you listed above. I restarted after each even though a restart was not required after the SSU. No problems of any kind with any of those patches.

        For what it’s worth I then installed KB4459922 ( October .NET Security and Quality update) from Windows Update. Took a long time – 10 minutes or so – then gave me a failed message along with a restart required. I restarted, checked ‘update history’ in Windows Update where KB4459922 showed as failed. It was still listed as a checked update in WU but now was much smaller (about 15 MB as opposed to about 40 MB, if I remember correctly). Tried another install of the listed checked KB4459922, and it worked with no restart required. Since KB 4459922 is actually a package of several patches for various versions of .NET, I’m guessing that some of the patches installed but that one didn’t on the first try. Anyway everything seems to be fine with the machine now.

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        • #229760 Reply

          DrBonzo
          AskWoody Plus

          I just finished updating my ‘daily driver’ Win 7 Pro, sp1, x64, Group B machine.

          Same procedure as in my post immediately above. There are 2 differences in the results. The good difference is that the .NET Oct. Rollup installed just fine. The not as good difference is that I needed to reset Media Player after the October Security Only patch, as apparently, some others have also (see some posts below.) This also happened after I installed KB4048960 which was the November 2017 Security Only patch.

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    • #229706 Reply

      anonymous

      Windows 7 Media Player had to go through set up again as soon as I tried to open a media file as a result of Oct. updates.

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      • #229713 Reply

        fernlady
        AskWoody Lounger

        Thanks for the heads up, I had to reset mine also, course its been awhile since I played any music dvd’s.

        Windows 7 Home Premium x64 AMD Group A Realtek PCLe GBE Family Controller

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      • #229820 Reply

        rick41
        AskWoody Lounger

        The need to re-do Windows Media Player setup after a WU is something that I *thought* had  finally gone away.  I used to have to go through that task after 2-3 WU’s a year, but it seems like it had been perhaps two years since the last time.

        The good thing is that — as before — it’s only the few setup screens where options need to be re-selected.  (Over three years ago I created a document to remind me what settings I had chosen.)  Once WMP is back up, I find all my other WMP options — including my selected media file associations — remain in place…with ONE exception.  The one exception is update-check frequency, which always changes from once a month to once a week (not that there’s ever an update anymore anyway….).

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    • #229712 Reply

      anonymous

      Did anyone else notice that at some time in the past, when using Google as the home page in IE 11 (both Windows 7 and Windows 10 1709 and 1803) that your cursor no longer automatically went to the Search box or pulsed?

      Well with the October updates, on both systems and Windows versions – its back!   Yeah!

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    • #229720 Reply

      Noel Carboni
      AskWoody_MVP

      I’m floored looking over this thread. It’s apparent that:

      1. People care whether their computer system works right, even to the point where they’re almost continually weighing the risks of patching vs. not patching.

      2. A lot of people are still holding off using Windows 10, well, because it’s Windows 10. Keeping control and retaining choice ARE important to people.

      3. Servicing update first, then cumulative update, hide this, enable that… Keeping a Windows system up to date has reached an utterly ridiculous level of complexity and effort, at the same time as reducing user control over it.

      My own critical, high reliability Windows 7 computer – admittedly, not a daily use machine, but rather functioning in a small server role – is stable, reliable, secure, never needs rebooting… There honestly is nowhere to go but down. This has never applied more: If it works, don’t fix it!

      Perhaps I’ll just skip updating it. Maybe from now on, until the whole thing is replaced.

      Win7Uptime

      We’ll see how long it will ultimately run without a reboot. I predict it can stretch out to literally years.

      -Noel

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    • #229732 Reply

      dgreen
      AskWoody Lounger

      Windows 7 Media Player had to go through set up again as soon as I tried to open a media file as a result of Oct. updates.

      anonymous
      Thanks for the heads up.  I had to reset mine also.
      Last week I did play a DVD of my daughter’s Las Vegas wedding so I know it was working then.

      So apparently the Oct. update affected Windows 7 Media Player.
      Curious if the Group B people have the same hiccup.

      Dell Inspiron 660 (new hard drive installed and Windows 7 reloaded Nov. 2017)
      Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit SP 1 GROUP A
      Processor: Intel i3-3240 (ivy bridge 3rd generation)
      chipset Intel (R) 7 series/C216
      chipset family SATA AHCI Controller -1 E02
      NIC Realtek PCLE GBE Family Controller
      MSE antivirus
      Chrome browser

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      • #229754 Reply

        The Surfing Pensioner
        AskWoody Plus

        Well, I’m in Group B and I haven’t had to reset anything, although I do use my Windows 7 Media Player quite regularly and that may have made a difference.

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    • #229734 Reply

      dgreen
      AskWoody Lounger

      Just a point of clarification …

      From what you (and others) say, I gather that KB2952664 is the code patch and KB3150513 is the database that the former patch needs(?) to function. So if you have KB2952664 installed (any/all versions), but KB3150513 is NOT installed, then KB2952664 will not function (whether the latter is installed as a freestanding patch or as part of the October rollup). And that is why you are stressing that you can HIDE KB3150513. Is this more or less correct?

      I would be interested to know the answer to this also.

    • #229761 Reply

      anonymous

      ? says:

      on the windows media player, there were some (update) files in the October patch(es). i noticed a text file in %temp% after installing KB4462915 (wmsetuplog.txt) that talked about “Playlist location already obfuscated,” “created media library for player,” “Error: create CommonStartMenu shortcut failed 0x800700005,” “current command line:/firstlogon/shortcuts/regbrowsers/reset MUI,” etc, etc. after seeing other comments here about WMP i googled up this little nugget from a few days ago:

      https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-pictures/windows-media-player-12-reloads-library-every-time/e2e6096e-5843-4ee5-a2d4-77c96208e2de.

      i even got the setup log file on a win 7 machine that has WMP disabled in Programs and Features Turn Windows Components on or off!

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    • #229766 Reply

      anonymous

      Windows 10 Home 1709, metered connection and wushowhide are still being ignored when checking for updates. I don’t want 1803 and I don’t want to beta test 1809 😐

      • #229790 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        Details, please.

        You’re running 1709 Home. Internet connection set to metered.

        What exactly happened?

        • #229841 Reply

          anonymous

          Just incase this doesn’t go in the right place this is response to #229790

          I always have the windows update service disabled and the way I’ve been updating for months (which has always worked) is I set the service to manual, I run wushowhide to hide the feature update then ‘check for updates’. After everything installs and reboots I disable windows updates again and run the disk clean up with no problems.

          However for the past 3 months this doesn’t work, I hid the feature update in wushowhide but it still downloads when checking for update. So I tried setting the network card to metered connection which worked… for a month. It now just trys to download everything it can until I pull the plug to stop it.

          I’ve been using the catalog to install updates now which is quicker but I’m never sure I have everything,  dreading to have to update our 1803 pcs since the new feature is out. I will eventually move to 1809 but on my terms not microsofts.

          I should really create an account here as I’ve made a few post before but I can’t be pestered with another account and another password lol.

          • #229846 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            Perhaps the Windows Update queue is not being cleared. Follow this procedure exactly and see if you get the updates instead of the upgrade to 1803. It has worked for me to retain 1703 and now 1709.

            • #229867 Reply

              anonymous

              Will give it a try later tonight, thanks. Thinking back all this started when that Update Facilitation Service got installed.

    • #229770 Reply

      OscarCP
      AskWoody Plus

      I have noticed in recent months a series of comments to the general effect that updating as Group B is difficult, too much work, etc.  In other words: not an option for most users. In fact, it is not all that hard for many of us, if not for all (but what on this messy Earth we live in is “for all”?

      I have, in the past, explained in some detail how I do it, but apparently that has not stopped, or even slowed down a little bit, the negativism in this respect. Which is unfortunate, because just about every day brings several new postings from people with Windows 7 and 8.1 asking for help with their problems, and it seems as if 99.9999% of the time these queries are about Group A problems, particularly with rollups.

      Instead of assuming that being in Group B is just too hard for all those people that do not maintain 10,000 PCs for a living, how about posting here, or in a new thread, exactly how: (1) to update as Group B, and also (2) how to move from Group A to Group B (Does one have to delete all rollups first, then install, since the last time before installing the very first rollup, all the security only, IE 11 and a few other patches, such as the SSUs? Or what?)

      In my opinion, the positive advice people might be willing to give in such a thread could help a number of those who are perfectly capable to patch as Group B. but remain in Group A (or, worse still, have joined Group W), because they have been warned, incorrectly, that doing so is for experts, as it is too hard and, or inconvenient for normal people to get into. Or that patching is not really necessary: “I haven’t patched since before Bill Gates was born, and look at me now!”

      I have been patching as Group B since before there was a Group B, from my days as a proud owner of a Windows XP PC, and never have had a single problem traceable to a bad patch, or that required removing a bad patch. I have had problems with Windows XP and 7, yes, because of bugs in, or quirks of, the system. Eventually I have either fixed them, or found workarounds for them. But never have had a problem that was solved by removing a patch. Not that I have done all that, and managed to stay safe, entirely on my own, but thanks also to the invaluable advice found on useful sites in the Web and, in more recent times, here at Woody’s, on which patches to install, how, and when.

      Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W(?) + Mac&Lx

      • #229774 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        @oscarcp

        That discussion would be off-topic in this thread. Feel free to create a topic in the appropriate Forum.

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      • #229780 Reply

        SueW
        AskWoody Plus

        There are many of us Group B-ers who already do post our results in this very thread (and other MS-DEFCON 3/4/5 threads) of what we did to update our computers along with our results.  And most of us provide details, including KB numbers, so that others can follow our processes.

        Win 7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit; Office 2010; Group B; Former 'Tech Weenie'

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        • #229783 Reply

          OscarCP
          AskWoody Plus

          SueW,

          You are quite right. I am one of those from Group B that post, every month, in one and, sometimes, in two threads what I did and what was the result of that. But I am hoping for something more explicitly dedicated to answering the two general questions I wrote about. There are always practical details, beyond which KB to install, and they might be better explained in a dedicated thread. Not just for some of us explaining how we do it, but also for others to ask questions about it. So: in a separate, dedicated thread because, as PKCano has mentioned, cannot be this one. I wonder if such a thread might not exist already, although I have not been able to find it.

          Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W(?) + Mac&Lx

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          • #229791 Reply

            woody
            Da Boss

            Start one!

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          • #229792 Reply

            The Surfing Pensioner
            AskWoody Plus

            Then why don’t we create the topic, “The Ease of Group B Updating”, in the appropriate Forum? (- I must admit, I’m not sure which that is!) I’ve never had a patching problem since I developed a Group B-style of updating, either, yet I detect that patching Group B-style is not Politically Correct.

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            • #229800 Reply

              OscarCP
              AskWoody Plus

              Thanks PKCano, Woody and TSP for suggesting and even encouraging the start of a dedicated thread. My inclination leans heavily to “let’s do that”, and certainly like the title proposed by TSP, but am afraid it all might get lost very quickly from sight right now and, particularly, in the days following the upcoming November Patch Tuesday. Maybe in another week, when things might have quieted down somewhat?

              Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W(?) + Mac&Lx

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            • #229817 Reply

              anonymous

              New topic that may help:
              https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/pointing-to-group-b-directions

              Starting a new topic can be done by anyone, even an anonymous voice. Subject to moderation, of course. Thank you, moderators, for your assistance and guidance.

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    • #229794 Reply

      jburk07
      AskWoody Plus

      Group A, Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit
      Intel Ivy Bridge processor
      Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2230 and Ethernet Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller.

      Here are my results, which mirror those of PKCano and others reporting here.

      After the monthly Rollup KB4462923 appeared alone and unchecked in Windows Updates today, I installed it without any problems and restarted the computer.

      After I waited a while for everything to settle down after the reboot, KB3177467-v2 reappeared (I had gotten it to appear last week by installing the Office updates and hiding the .NET and MSRT). I installed it and no restart was required.

      As others have indicated, 3177467 now shows in Installed Updates as a Security Update with an install date of 11/3/2018, and the older install from November 2016 has disappeared.

      Next I unhid the .NET rollup KB4459922, installed it, and restarted. I waited a while again for things to calm down, and everything seems to be running fine. I haven’t checked out the Windows Media Player since I don’t really use it, but it’s good to know it might need to be set up again if I do.

      So far at least, KB3150513 hasn’t been offered.

      I had the same results on our other Windows 7 SP1 64-bit laptop.

      I also checked the manual telemetry settings I had made earlier this month using @abbodi86‘s instructions. Most were still in place; I only had to re-disable two items in the Task Scheduler under Application Experience (the Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser and the ProgramData Updater). The others were all still in place.

      So, if there are only 2 settings which I’ll have to disable each month to stave off the telemetry, that makes it reasonable for me to stay in Group A despite the telemetry in the monthly rollups.

      Big thanks as usual to all of you on this site who work so hard to help the rest of us, and special thanks to PKCano for patiently explaining (as often as needed!) how to install the updates and reminding us about the new baked-in KB2952664 functionality, and to abbodi86 for the clear instructions for manually disabling telemetry settings. So far, I’ve had no patching problems in Group A and have managed to stay out of trouble by following the advice of Woody, Susan, and the MVP’s.

      Group A Win7 x64 Home Premium SP1 Ivy Bridge

      • #229796 Reply

        The Surfing Pensioner
        AskWoody Plus

        Good for you. However, your process was considerably more complicated than the one I followed: manually downloaded and installed KB3177467-v2 followed by October security-only updates, then a quick WU search to locate and install Office security patches and MSRT. Rollup plus unchecked updates all hidden; one more search to ensure nothing else outstanding – and job done. Took maybe 20 mins.? – but I was in another room most of the time, just popping in and out of the office.

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        • #229802 Reply

          jburk07
          AskWoody Plus

          @TheSurfingPensioner,
          You see, I don’t find what I did complicated at all. I installed the rollup that appeared in Windows Updates and rebooted; then I installed the SSU in Windows Updates without rebooting; then I unhid the .NET update and installed it, and then rebooted. Then I quickly checked the telemetry settings, and now I know I’ll only have two to reset, both in the same place. I usually install updates separately anyway, just to make sure I can tell which one might have caused problems. So it might have taken me more than 20 minutes on each machine, mostly because I have a slow download connection lol. And then the installation would have taken the same amount of time no matter how I downloaded the updates.

          I think the point is that the members of each group do what they find most convenient and what best fulfills their needs. I think it’s good that there are different approaches, and I like to read the results of the different approaches. In several earlier months I’ve considered patching Group B-style, and in some months I’ve downloaded individual patches from the catalog. But I’m happy with Group A for the three machines I maintain (and now there’s no going back lol!) Inevitably, people see things differently, but we can get to the same place using the method that suits us best!

          Group A Win7 x64 Home Premium SP1 Ivy Bridge

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          • #229804 Reply

            OscarCP
            AskWoody Plus

            jburk07, you wrote ”  But I’m happy with Group A for the three machines I maintain (and now there’s no going back lol!) ”

            I think that might have to do with my question No. 2: what does it take to go from Group A to Group B. If that is so, then perhaps you would care to elaborate a bit more on that point you’ve made? Thanks.

            Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W(?) + Mac&Lx

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          • #229807 Reply

            The Surfing Pensioner
            AskWoody Plus

            I completely endorse your second paragraph, jburk07. But I think the point OscarCP and I are making is that the presentation of the Group B approach as difficult and time-consuming is an unsubstantiated myth. And I believe everyone should be encouraged to consider all their options, at every stage in their computer career.

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        • #229913 Reply

          anonymous

          Hello Surfing Pensioner, I agree completely that the easy way was to just get the 3177467 from MS catalog and install it. It appears doing group A is very cumbersome and takes time. I am Group B and was done in 20 minutes like you.

          Windows 7 64bit

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    • #229869 Reply

      rontpxz81
      AskWoody Lounger

      So is it safe to install KB4462923 on Windows 7?  In WU it went from unchecked to checked but still shows the October 9, 2018 date.

      I have KB3177467 v.1 already installed from 3/10 2017.

      Woody claims “With the Win7 Monthly Rollup now working”,  which for me is only KB4462923- even though on Microsoft support on this update there is a warning that the network interface controller may stop working.

      • #229874 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        So is it safe to install KB4462923 on Windows 7? In WU it went from unchecked to checked but still shows the October 9, 2018 date.

        Please read through this thread – the answer to your question is there.

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        • #229886 Reply

          HiFlyer
          AskWoody Plus

          So is it safe to install KB4462923 on Windows 7? In WU it went from unchecked to checked but still shows the October 9, 2018 date.

          Please read through this thread – the answer to your question is there.

          ;- )

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        • #229920 Reply

          walker
          AskWoody Lounger

          @PKCano:  When you refer to “this thread”, are you referencing all of the comments posted?  Apologies for my (usual) ignorance, however I’m trying to find a “starting point”, and I’m having a lot of difficulties as it is such a mess attempting to keep up with all of the different OS’s, Group’s, etc.  Once again, your assistance is always appreciated, and I feel so inadequate in attempting to address some of the acronyms, etc.  Thank you, as always, for your patience with my extreme lack of computer skills.

          • #229925 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            “This thread” refers to all the posts under this topic “MS-DEFCON 4: Withe the Win7 Monthly Rollup now working, it’s time to get everything updated” on the main blob of AskWoody.

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          • #229932 Reply

            SueW
            AskWoody Plus

            @walker, here’s a tip for searching for a topic in a given thread:

            1 – Do a ‘Ctrl-F’ and you’ll see a search box.  In Firefox it’s at the lower left of your screen; in IE it’s at the upper right.

            2 – Type your search term into that box.

            3 – If that search term is not found, you’ll hear a ding and the box will turn pink.

            4 – If that search term is found, you’ll see up and down arrows (plus other options).  Click on the arrows to work your way to what you’re looking for.

            Example: to find all the new comments since the last time I read this thread, I search for “rt n” (without the quotes) and I’ll see the black-labeled new to the left of each new date/comment.

            Win 7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit; Office 2010; Group B; Former 'Tech Weenie'

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            • #229973 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @suew:  Thank you so much for the very detailed instructions on how to proceed with this maneuver.  Hopefully my “trial run” will be successful.   That will be a great deal of help when I am attempting to locate a specific subject.

              BTW, I see that FF has “another brand new” update already.Thank you once again for sharing this information with  all of us.      It is sincerely appreciated!!!   🙂

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    • #229908 Reply

      anonymous

      As I patch the systems I am responsible (based on the MS-DEFCON number) when I do the IE11 Cumulative Update for the ‘current’ period, I uninstall the previous Cumulative Update. All has worked well in the past, but… when I installed KB4462949 x64 (the 10-18 version) on the first Win 8.1 machine, I find that I cannot remove KB4463376 (9-18 version). There is no ‘uninstall’ option for it. For now I will hold off on the IE11 update for the other machines. IE11 is not the primary browser used on any of our machines.

      My process stated above is not unique. I got the idea from a post in another thread in AskWoody months ago. Anybody else run across this? Anybody delved into the file(s) that were changed to shed any light on this?

      Thanks.

      • #229912 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        The IE patches are cumulative. I don’t recall anything about uninstalling the previous one before installing the current one. You are basically uninstalling all the changes to IE in the last two years (security and non-security). I am at a loss. What was the reasoning for that?

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        • #229917 Reply

          anonymous

          I may not have been clear. The current cumulative  update is installed. If that update works ok and causes no harm, then the previous cumulative update is removed.

        • #229950 Reply

          anonymous

          The procedure outlined is based on an assumed process that goes something like this:

          For each file in the ‘new’ package do:
          If: file in new package has same name as file already installed on ‘system’,
          Then: compare executable contents in new file with installed file,
          If: contents equal, change appropriate metadata to reflect current file version in
          ‘new’ package
          Else: install ‘new’ file,
          Else: install ‘new’ file.

          For remove process, check each file in ‘package’ and if appropriate metadata is newer than
          metadata contained in update package to be removed, do not remove existing file.

          IE cumulative updates started 3/17, 19 months ago from 10/18 if I am correct. I will research the
          source of my procedure.

          • #229955 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            It would appear you “process” is simply repeating the same thing the Windows Installer does. Content superedence is already a part of the install.

      • #229916 Reply

        anonymous

        Anonymous, I agree with PKC. I follow along here much, and I don’t remember a solid argument to uninstall IE cumulative updates each month. Can you give the web address of that post or discussion?

        The Sept IE update did have some change that broke Web of Trust (WOT) in IE11. So something was in there they don’t want backed out it seems.

    • #229922 Reply

      Seff
      AskWoody Plus

      Thanks for the advice as usual, Woody and the team.

      With two Windows 7 x64 desktop home PCs, I have today installed the monthly quality rollup KB4462923 on the one with Office 2010 installed, and have then installed 5 updates for Office 2010. That led to me being offered KB3177467 which I also installed. All optional/unchecked updates comprising KB4459922 (.net framework) and the preview updates for Windows and .net framework were hidden, as was the MSRT update.

      So far, so good. If all is well in a day or two I will install KB4462923 and (assuming it’s then offered) KB3177467 on the other machine, which does not have Office installed.

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      • #230357 Reply

        Seff
        AskWoody Plus

        By way of update, the only problem encountered with the first machine to be patched thus far is the already established need to reset Windows Media Player on first use post-update.

        I’m tied up with grandparenting duties tomorrow, but if nothing else arises when that machine is next switched on on Wednesday then I’ll run the updates on the second machine.

        • #230960 Reply

          Seff
          AskWoody Plus

          Further update – second machine now updated as indicated above and with no apparent issues as yet (fingers firmly crossed).

    • #229939 Reply

      SueW
      AskWoody Plus

      Checking in after updating last night:

      1 – imaged my disk with Macrium Reflect

      2 – already had KB3177467 v1 installed; downloaded KB3177467 v2 from PKCano’s link above, installed it, and waited 10 minutes

      3 – downloaded Updates KB4462915 (Oct. SO) & KB4462949 (IE11 Oct.
      Cumulative)

      3 – installed each Update and then rebooted; waited 15 minutes

      4 – checked “Windows Update” => 7 Important: 5 Office 2010 and 2 Win 7: all checked; 3 Optional: all unchecked

      5 – unchecked and hid “Important” update KB4462923 (Oct. Rollup)

      6 – hid the 3 unchecked “Optional” updates (KB4462927 – Oct. Preview Rollup,
      KB4462500 – Oct. Preview .NET, and KB4459922 – Oct. S&Q Rollup .NET)

      7 – checked “Windows Update” again => 6 Important: 5 Office 2010 and 1 Win 7: all
      checked; 0 Optional

      8 – unhid any hidden updates to install (none)

      9 – installed 6 Updates: 5 Office 2010 (KB4461466, KB4092483, KB4227170, KB4092482 & KB4092439) and KB890830 (MSRT)

      10 – rebooted; waited 45 minutes (until the hard drive light stopped flashing)

      Many thanks, once again, to Woody, PKCano, and the others who continue to contribute to AskWoody!

      Win 7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit; Office 2010; Group B; Former 'Tech Weenie'

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      • #229942 Reply

        DrBonzo
        AskWoody Plus

        @suew – I’m curious if you need to reset Windows Media Player after installing the Security Only update.

        I had to reset mine, although I never use it; I check it ever since the reset issue was reported last November. Today, though, I have to update a computer for someone who uses WMP a lot. Does anybody out there know if the default reset is “smart” enough to return WMP back to it’s pre-update condition? Or, if it’s not, is there some sort of configuration file I can copy before I do the updates and then recopy back to the machine afterwords?

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        • #230051 Reply

          SueW
          AskWoody Plus

          @DrBonzo, I hadn’t tried using WMP until you asked 🙂  After reading others’ experiences after updating, I just tried to play a clip on WMP.  Indeed, I now have to reset it!  Thanks for asking (seriously!).

          By the way, a similar issue occurred last November.  Read these comments from PKCano; they might be helpful: https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/roundup-of-bugs-in-the-november-patch-tuesday-crop/#post-146094.

          Win 7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit; Office 2010; Group B; Former 'Tech Weenie'

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          • #230067 Reply

            DrBonzo
            AskWoody Plus

            Thanks for the link; now I know where to go and make a convenient backup. I remember the issue, although I wasn’t affected by it. This time, though, it could be sort of a big deal if the settings got messed up on the other computer.

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    • #229959 Reply

      anonymous

      ? says:

      never use WMP, the only set ups i have done involve disabling the “Customer Experience Improvement Program,” in Options\Privacy as shown in:

      https://www.ghacks.net/2016/10/26/turn-off-the-windows-customer-experience-program/

      under “Other Microsoft Applications”.

    • #229966 Reply

      rc primak
      AskWoody_MVP

      On Windows 10 Pro, Version 1803, the October CU initially failed to install. Ten minutes later, after something downloaded (according to my system monitor app) the Oct. CU did install successfully, all without a restart. Looks like Win 7 wasn’t the only version to get a Servicing Stack Update this month.

      I also got the Intel System Driver, which failed to install on my hardware. Ran the Intel Driver Assistant to make sure all was well with that little issue. It was.

      No other issues this month.

      Just a little heads-up about backup software: Macrium Reflect Free has a new version. There are important changes in there. Read about this one before updating.

      -- rc primak

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    • #229977 Reply

      Grond
      AskWoody Lounger

      (snip) Just a little heads-up about backup software: Macrium Reflect Free has a new version. There are important changes in there. Read about this one before updating.

      Thanks for this info, sir; I thought I’d heard/read elsewhere that Macrium Reflect had a new version out, and sure enough, the new version is only a few days old.

      One thing that kind of puzzles me, though, is that Macrium seems to be charging more for the paid version now? I seem to remember that the price for the Pro version was around $40 and now it’s $70?

      I know software devs and their families need to eat, but $70 for a single-seat license for an (admittedly very good) backup application seems a bit…steep.

    • #229991 Reply

      anonymous

      My system is on window 10 home 1803, just tred to run wushowdhide today and got this below:

      Sorry, this troubleshooter doesn’t work with this version of Windows.  We disabled this troubleshooter because it won’t work on this PC.

      • #230761 Reply

        rc primak
        AskWoody_MVP

        WuShowHide works just fine on my Windows 10 Pro version 1803 PC. Maybe it’s your hardware?

        -- rc primak

    • #230112 Reply

      mbhelwig
      AskWoody Lounger

      2018-11-03 — TRIAL INSTALL OF KB 4462923 on my home computer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Image backup of MY COMPUTER done with Macrium Reflect
      Installed Dot Net updates —
      KB 4054530 and Reboot computer
      KB 4457918, and KB 4459922 and Reboot computer

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Installed KB 4462923 to see what would happen.
      Two automatic Reboots during install process —
      All appears Ok.

      KB 3177467 now presented for installation – Version 2 I presume.
      Installed even though the earlier Version 1 from 2016 was already installed.
      Checked — Version 2 cannot be uninstalled.

      Using Inspectre program I disabled “Meltdown Protection” to improve speed from “Slower” to “Good”

      Installation appears to have gone ok.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      SOME TIME LATER —
      KB 3150513 was offered for installation (dated 2016)
      I have not installed this yet

      QUESTIONS —

      Should I install KB 3150513 and what does it do?

      I would like to download KB 4462923 from the Microsoft Catalog so that I can update six other computers for which I am responsible — assuming that all goes well with my computer in the next few weeks.

      KB 4462923 downloads as two files — an exe and an msu as shown below —

      pciclearstalecache_f9e6352a8a36bd5304229012049c66ab267923f2.exewindows6.1-kb4462923-x64_5c4506692214692bf846da33052edb1dc5752156.msu

      How do I go about installing from two files and why are there two files?

      Thank you for your help

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      mbhelwig

      • #230150 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Should I install KB 3150513 and what does it do?

        That is the updater for the KB2952664 functionality. You can hide.

        KB 4462923 downloads as two files — an exe and an msu as shown below —

        Put the two files in the same location (your desktop, a folder, etc). Install KB4462923 by double clicking on it in the usual way. The .exe file is executed automatically during the KB4462923 installation.You don’t have to click on it.

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    • #230140 Reply

      dgreen
      AskWoody Lounger

      @walker, here’s a tip for searching for a topic in a given thread: 1 – Do a ‘Ctrl-F’ and you’ll see a search box. 

      SueW
      One of the things I missed so much when I switched to Chrome from IE was the page search.
      I didn’t know that I still had the ability to do that with Chrome using Ctrl-F!

      You have no idea how your post has made my computer life better!  ( :

       

      Thank you!!!

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      • #230228 Reply

        anonymous

        Hello dgreen, I am not trying to insult anyone but information is knowledge and knowledge can produce success.

        See this page for windows shortcuts like “Ctrl F”.
        https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/12445/windows-keyboard-shortcuts

        Hope this helps.

        Windows 7 Group B

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      • #230314 Reply

        SueW
        AskWoody Plus

        @dgreen, you’re very welcome!!  And now I know that Ctrl-F also works in Chrome as well.

        Win 7 SP1 Home Premium 64-bit; Office 2010; Group B; Former 'Tech Weenie'

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    • #230146 Reply

      TonyC
      AskWoody Lounger

      Windows 7 x64, Group B

      I’ve just done my updates for this month. No problems.

      However, I was very surprised to see KB4459922 (2018-10 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET …) classified as Optional. The .NET rollup has always been classified as Important on previous occasions and has been ticked/checked. Others in this thread have made similar comments about KB4459922. In the uncertainty, some have installed it, others did not install it, and some have hidden it. Personally, I just left it unhidden and uninstalled for the moment.

      Does anyone know why Microsoft might have classified the .NET rollup as Optional on this occasion? Does anyone have any firm opinion as to whether KB4459922 should be installed even though it is classified as Optional and is unticked/unchecked?

      • #230158 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        MS changes the patches from checked to unchecked as a way of stopping automatic installation but not going so far as to pull the patch (maybe checking a reported problem, maybe changing something related, etc). That is why we discourage the installation of UNCHECKED updates. Wait a while – it will stay unchecked as long as necessary, then either be checked again or it will disappear.

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        • #230241 Reply

          anonymous

          Hello PKC, I agree with the suggestion of not installing an unchecked update. I want to relate something that happened years ago with Windows XP. I managed several computers and we had one that had a, I believe, C++ offered. It was unchecked. We installed updates manually. I have been doing manual updates for many years. After a few months of seeing that offered I checked it and installed the update to make it go away. It seemed OK and ran fine. This was years ago and I would not do that today with the problems we see.

          Thank you.

    • #230310 Reply

      bassmanzam
      AskWoody Plus

      Win 7 x64 Group A

      Just installed 3177467v2 from catalog…ok

      The installed 4462923 and hit restart.  Now its hanging at Preparing to configure Windows for 15 min.  What next?

      • #230325 Reply

        bassmanzam
        AskWoody Plus

        Tried ctrl alt delete…no go.

        Even though it says Do not turn off your computer..i have no choice, Been almost 30min

        • #230331 Reply

          Microfix
          Da Boss

          If you do turn off the PC, be prepared for a surface scan on reboot. This happened to a clients PC recently

          ********** Win7 x64/x86 | Win8.1 x64 | Linux Hybrids x64 **********

        • #230337 Reply

          rick41
          AskWoody Lounger

          Fyi:  I am in Group A, and a few weeks ago I took a chance and decided to install the .NET Security-Quality Update & the MSRT on all 3 of my Win 7 machines.

          On the first two machines everything proceeded briskly and completed.

          But on the third machine, as it was powering down to reboot, the screen seemed stuck at “Preparing to Configure Windows (Update), Do Not Turn Off Your Computer.”  (No countdown percentage shown.)  After a half hour I was tempted to conclude it would never finish, and was ready to to force-close.  But I read some things saying that force-closing can cause problems, and to give it a good 2-3 hours before concluding it wouldn’t eventually complete on its own.

          I was skeptical, and at about the 55 minute mark was getting ready to force close it.  But before I could, sure enough it finally shut down by itself, reboot normally, and quickly finished setting up the updates.  Yesterday I installed the October Rollup on the same machine without issue.

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      • #230328 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        The SSU 3177467v2 doesn’t require a reboot. But it takes it 10-15 minutes to complete the install. If you didn’t wait that long before installing the Rollup 4462923, maybe it wasn’t completely installed.

        • #230338 Reply

          bassmanzam
          AskWoody Plus

          Thanks Microfix and PKCano.

          You maybe right, I rebooted after 3177467v2.

          I somehow got it to resume windows. Lots of hd light activity.
          I’ll wait to see if it comes back. If not I’ll force a shutdown.

          Thanks again for the quick replies!

          • #230352 Reply

            bassmanzam
            AskWoody Plus

            UPDATE

            After getting it to “Resume Windows”  (Laptop) I waited patiently like rick41 suggested. After about 20 minutes it shutdown and restarted and looks like it was successful.

            Thank you to all for the advice and help.  I think I’ll wait for tomorrow to install the rest!

             

             

    • #230383 Reply

      anonymous

      i noticed after installing 3177467v2 updates install very slow compare to without this update that’s very bad

    • #230415 Reply

      Irene
      AskWoody Plus

      I am just making sure I am on the right track.

      I am being offered all the usual including the Update Assistant KBs, which I will avoid.  For the 3rd month in a row I am not being offered the Win 10 version 1709 64 bit Cumulative Update–I assume this is a way to push me into 1809 if I install the update assistant KBs.  Alll updates offered are hidden at the moment.

      I have searched for the Windows 10 version 1709 Cumulative Update and come up with KB4462918, and will download it from MS catalogue and install offline.  Is this the correct KB?

      I will also update Adobe and MSRT.

      • Windows 10 Home
      • version 1709
      • 64 bit
      • Using WUMT, (not advised by Woody, but necessary with Windows Home)
      • Using Windows Update blocker (not advised by Woody, but necessary with Windows Home)

      Thank you for your help!

       

      • #230417 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        KB4462918 is the correct CU for 1709. You also need to be sure you have the latest Servicing Stack KB4339430 installed. If it is not installed, it needs to be downloaded and installed before the CU. It will take 10-15 minutes to complete the install before you install anything else either manually or through WU.

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        • #230425 Reply

          Irene
          AskWoody Plus

          Thank you PK!  I much appreciate your help!

          I was not offered the servicing stack KB4339430.  I was offered KB4056254, KB4090007,  and the two I do not want: KB4023814 and KB4023057, along with the adobe flash and MSRT.

          Do I want any of the first two I list,  besides the Servicing Stack and the CU you told me about?

          I will check to see if I have the servicing stack, but I doubt it.

          I wonder how we are supposed to know the servicing stack and other KBs we need if not offered, MS?

          • #230433 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            If you use WU to install, you will not see the Servicing Stack b/c it is bundled with the CU, downloads automatically, and installs first. But if you do a manual install, you have to second guess the system.

            I’n not positive of this, but you should see the KB in the installed updates in the Control Panel if it doesn’t show up in Settings\Update and Security. If you try to install it and it’s already there, it will probably tell you it’s not for your system.

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            • #230452 Reply

              Irene
              AskWoody Plus

              PK, I forgot to add I did a search with the wushowhide tool and with the Windows Update Mini Tool and did not find the cumulative update either.

            • #230463 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Here is the link to the MS Catalog.

              When you search, put in the number of the patch without the “KB” in front of it.
              Be sure you get the right version of Windows and the right bitedness,

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    • #230447 Reply

      Irene
      AskWoody Plus

      Dear PK,

      The servicing stack update does not show up in either list of my installed updates.

      If I am to run the search for updates I am sure MS will ramrod through Windows 1803 or 1809.  I do have 1803 hidden, but to check for updates one has to enable the MS update system that the Windows Update Blocker stops.  I just checked for updates again and I am not offered either the 1709 CU or the servicing stack.

      Before I knew about the servicing stack I had planned on getting the CU from the MS catalog.

      I searched the web for the servicing stack update number KB4339430 and found nothing.  A search for the servicing stack for the CU brings me to something that is called a “Delta update for Windows 10 version 1709 for x64-based Systems (KB4462918)”. Is that what I should be installing?  At this point I am beyond anything I know.

      Thank you!

      • #230456 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        My bad. I gave you the wrong number. It’s 4339420. Sorry

        https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=4339420

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        • #230462 Reply

          Irene
          AskWoody Plus

          Just to be clear I need to download from both the servicing stack KB 4339420 and the CU, correct?

          Still need to make my backups so all is fine so far.

          Thank you!

          • #230464 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            See above for a link to the Catalog.

            • #230465 Reply

              Irene
              AskWoody Plus

              I did see your link.

              I am just making sure I need to download the Servicing stack you gave me the link to and also the CU.

              Thanks

            • #230466 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Yes, you need both. Install the SSU first, wait 15 minutes without using the computer before installing the CU KB4462918

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            • #230502 Reply

              Irene
              AskWoody Plus

              Thank you PK!  It all installed well, per your help.  I haven’t tried the internet yet or printing, but I’m sure all will be well.

    • #230494 Reply

      Pixie
      AskWoody Lounger

      I’m a tad confused.  I have Win 10 Home Edition on 1803.  My last automatic update received was KB4462919 on 10/10.  Is the recommendation to “Check for Updates” (seeker) to get CU? Won’t that also give me 1809?    I am not a seeker and therefore have not received the dreaded 1809 upgrade.  Just trying to understand what Win 10 Home Edition Users on 1803 are supposed to be doing given DefCon 4.   My WU says last checked today and I’m up to date.  Should I just “sit tight” until I get a recommended CU?

       

       

      • #230762 Reply

        rc primak
        AskWoody_MVP

        If you have automatic updates enabled, and have not blocked or deferred automatic updates using any of the methods discussed in these forums, you already got the October Updates and need not do anything further. You are in fact up to date. If you want to defer future updates, you will need to block or defer automatic updates using the methods most of us here have been using. It’s more difficult with the Home Edition, but not impossible.

        -- rc primak

    • #230772 Reply

      mbhelwig
      AskWoody Lounger

      See #230112 above

      FOLLOWING TRIAL INSTALL OF KB 4462923 on my home computer on 2018-11-03

      Windows media player has had all of it settings (Including Default) removed.

      So I set VLC media player as default

      There may be others I have not found yet ………..

      Anyone else see this?????

      mbhelwig

    • #231113 Reply

      MrToad28
      AskWoody Lounger

      I updated 5 Win7 PC’s, each initially showing only the Win7 rollup & MSRT. After the restart, a small update KB3177467 showed up and I installed with no problems. On the 6th Win7 PC 2018-10 .NET Rollup KB4459922 Showed up under important updates.. I updated..I installed with no problem seen..under history, it’s importance is shown as, ‘Recommended.’ Odd that it only showed on 1 out 6 updates to very similar Win7 PC’s.

      • #231175 Reply

        anonymous

        In Windows Update settings, one of the checkbox options is to, give me recommended updates as important updates, or similar wording. Of the six PC’s you use, does only one have that selection checked?

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    • #231210 Reply

      MrToad28
      AskWoody Lounger

      Tonight I updated 2 more Win7 PC’s…both offered the .net update which proceeded with no problems…Anonymous above is probably correct as at both of those PC’s has “give me rec. updates the same way I receive important updates’ checked…I changed that setting. The others probably don’t have that setting enabled, but it’s late and I’ll check later.

      Thanks Anon

    • #231207 Reply

      anonymous

      Shouldn’t W7 be permanently set to “MS-DEFCON 1”?

      I thought that someone posted (September?) that W7 Roll-ups were going to contain W10-style telemetry code, starting in October.

      -lehnerus2000

      • #231220 Reply

        anonymous

        That is true,

        but they are well-known and documented on this site.

        For a mitigation technique, please see AKB2000012

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    • #231710 Reply

      anonymous

      Windows 7 32 and 64 bit

      We have about 300 machines…

      We were trying to manually install 3177467 v2 via a software distribution method, we are seeing that some systems are returning that they already have the patch installed. Is there a way to see if version 2 is already installed or are we seeing this because V1 is already installed?

      If this is the case how can we get V2 installed on these machines?

      Thank you.

      • #231721 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        If you have KB3177467 v2 installed, it will show in “installed Updates” as Security Update for Microsoft Windows. The older v1 was not a security update.

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      • #231749 Reply

        anonymous

        Different anonymous here with a thought. There is a Lounger handle @speccy who posted a command line check for -v2, presented here.

        Is there a way to incorporate a discriminator for ver#6.1.1.1 from ver#6.1.2.5 into the distribution protocol? I lack skills and familiarity with the method. But this may be better than viewing each of 300 GUI displays.

    • #231711 Reply

      anonymous

      Regarding Win 10 ver 1803, October update KB4462919

      Just noticed that since the update, upon boot up, on the lower right side of the first screen (lock screen?) where there shows an icon for the Internet (Lan) connection:

      I get the lock screen which simply shows the Internet icon, then the screen blinks and comes up again and the Internet icon now has what appears to be a circle in the lower corner and it cant be selected.

      But when I hit the Enter key (as usually d0), the lock screen comes up again with the sign-in block as usual and all icons seem OK, after sign-in and hit Enter it proceeds to the Home screen and all is OK including the Internet connection icon and the actual connection.

      This does not happen with a Restart, just get the lock screen, the lock screen sign-in, the home screen with no Internet icon problem.

      Anyone else seeing this behavior?

      • #231754 Reply

        anonymous

        OP here,  the official names of those screens are:

        The first one = Lock Screen

        Second one = Login Screen

        Final one = Home Screen

        Seems the Lock Screen has the issue with the Internet Icon I outlined.

        PS: Running Win 10 Pro – read you can eliminate the Lock Screen via Group Policy?  Anyone done this?

    • #232046 Reply

      MrToad28
      AskWoody Lounger

      Regarding Telemetry blocking in Windows 7: I upgraded Spybot anti-beacon from 1.5 to 3.1 [Free]. It resets the blocks on start-up..also blocks telemetry in some other software like firefox and bing..all 3 bing users should be thrilled..the missing element  in the free version is Microsoft Office which I don’t care about. Even with some telemetry spyware embedded in the Win7 rollups, I would expect a much lower level of spying than with Win10, which Spybot A-B claims to block. For me, this is a much quicker and easier solution than the manual options I’ve seen..although I appreciate the contribution of those options.

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    • #232332 Reply

      Sparky
      AskWoody Plus

      Back in July 2018, my laptop died and I just fixed it and now its windows 7 OS needs to be updated.  What is the best way to go about doing this? I’m little rusty.

      I have WU set on “Never check for updates” and I kept checking for updates and hiding updates until WU stopped sending them. Below are the updates as of 11/11/18

      1. 2018-04 Preview of Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4093113) Optional
      2. 2018-05 Preview of Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4103713) Optional
      3. 2018-05 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1 on Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4099633) Important
      4. 2018-05 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4103718) Important
      5. 2018-06 Preview of Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4284842) Optional
      6. 2018-06 Preview of Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1 on Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4291493) Optional
      7. 2018-06 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4284826) Important
      8. 2018-07 Preview of Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4338821) Optional
      9. 2018-07 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, 4.7.2 for Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4340556) Important
      10. 2018-07 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4338818) Important
      11. 2018-08 Preview of Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4343894) Optional
      12. 2018-08 Preview of Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, 4.7.2 for Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4346080) Optional
      13. 2018-08 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, 4.7.2 for Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4345590) Important
      14. 2018-08 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4343900) Important
      15. 2018-09 Preview of Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4457139) Optional
      16. 2018-09 Preview of Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, 4.7.2 for Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4458611)  Optional
      17. 2018-09 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, 4.7.2 for Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4457918) Important
      18. 2018-09 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4457144) Important
      19. 2018-10 Preview of Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4462927) Optional
      20. 2018-10 Preview of Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, 4.7.2 for Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4462500) Optional
      21. 2018-10 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, 4.7.2 for Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4459922) Recommended
      22. 2018-10 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4462923) Important
      23. 2018-10 Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3177467) Important
      24. Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 11 for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3175443) Important
      25. Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 11 for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB3185319) Important
      26. Microsoft .NET Framework 4.7.2 for Windows 7 for x64 (KB4054530) Recommended
      27. Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB2952664) Important
      28. Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – August 2018 (KB890830) Important
      29. Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – July 2018 (KB890830) Important
      30. Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – October 2018 (KB890830) Important
      31. Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – September 2018 (KB890830) Important
      32. Advanced Micro Devices – MEDIA – 3/21/2016 12:00:00 AM – 7.12.0.7723 Optional
      33. Hewlett-Packard – USB – 2/10/2017 12:00:00 AM – 40.11.1108.1741  Optional
      34. Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB4022206) 32-Bit Edition Important
      35. Security Update for Microsoft Office 2010 (KB4011274) 32-Bit Edition Important

      HP W7 Home Premium, SP1, 64-bit, AMD Phenom II, Group A

    • #234283 Reply

      anonymous

      Greetings..I am in group A

      I got the error code when trying to install Sep sec rollup. Came to this wonderful site and found I needed kb3177467 (v1). Installed it and then installed Sep rollup, no problems.

      Okay, when Oct updates when to Def 4 I saw I would need kb3177467 v2. Went to MS update catalog and installed it. I then installed the Oct sec quality rollup, but upon reboot it would not configure and reverted to previous state. After several failed attempts I gave up.

      Does anyone know anything about this glitch? Any help would be greatly appreciated..!

    • #234749 Reply

      dwelge
      AskWoody Plus

      I noticed after installing Windows 7 patches, all of my machines have been loading extremely slow. Is there a manual patch that needs to be installed? Need help with this issue.

      • #234750 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        The Servicing Stack Update KB3177467 v2 (dated Oct 2018) needs to be installed if not already present.

    • #235167 Reply

      anonymous

      I installed v2 no problem, rebooted and waited 20 minutes, then tried to install the Oct sec quality rollup. It downloads (no “error code”) but upon reboot I get “failure to configure” and it won’t install..

    Please follow the -Lounge Rules- no personal attacks, no swearing, and politics/religion are relegated to the Rants forum.

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