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     woody 2 months, 3 weeks ago.

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    • #332494

      woody
      Da Boss

      It took ’em a while, but Microsoft is now making ATP ( = Advanced Threat Protection) available to Win7 and 8.1 machines in corporate networks. Per Gre
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    • #332770 Trash

      WildBill
      AskWoody Plus

      Mr. Keizer has it right, as most corporate (Enterprise) & small business (Pro) users are still on Win7 & the Defender ATP carrot is to get them to tolerate the stick of migration to Win10 whatever. Or the stick of paying for ESU’s (Extended Security Updates) for up to 3 years. Sadly, if Gartner hadn’t pooh-poohed the idea of Win8.1 Enterprise (it actually exists), more companies would have migrated to it instead of being pushed to Win10.

      Aaannd… Home users are left out in the cold. Again. No sign of ATP being offered to Win7 or Win8.1; migration to Pro is their only hope. If it’s still available to Win7 & Win8.1…

      Windows 8.1, 64-bit, now in Group B!
      Wild Bill Rides Again...

      • #332821 Trash

        warrenrumak
        AskWoody Plus

        One organization that won’t be paying for those ESU’s in the US military. They finished moving their entire fleet of 4 million machines to Windows 10 last year, and banned the use of older versions.

        They did it because they like the improved features in Windows 10.  Hey… if it’s good enough for the military… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        Oh, and, the reason Windows Defender ATP doesn’t come to home versions is really straightforward.  It’s an IT-managed service with dashboards and so on.  It allows you to see every report of an incoming malicious file to the network, what actions the user took in response (and how long it took them), as well as any new unusual network traffic.  It also does stuff like observe when an external site is observed serving malware to a few machines, then automatically blocks all the other machines on the network from talking to that site.

        The core protection facilities are still the same, though some of the newer protection technologies tend to appear first in ATP then move to Windows Defender later on.  Controlled Folder Access is an example.

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      • #332953 Trash

        b
        AskWoody Plus

        Mr. Keizer has it right, as most corporate (Enterprise) & small business (Pro) users are still on Win7 & the Defender ATP carrot is to get them to tolerate the stick of migration to Win10 whatever.

        Most Enterprise users are already on Windows 10:

        Half of enterprise machines run Windows 10, as Windows 7’s end of life looms

         

        Aaannd… Home users are left out in the cold. Again. No sign of ATP being offered to Win7 or Win8.1; migration to Pro is their only hope. If it’s still available to Win7 & Win8.1…

        ATP is not available on Pro.

         

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        • #332980 Trash

          Susan Bradley
          AskWoody MVP

          Works on pro.  You just need a Windows E5 or Microsoft 365 E5 license.  The requirements are licensing only.  The console and reporting features work when the ATP settings are enabled on pro (can you tell I tried it and it works)

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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          • #332989 Trash

            b
            AskWoody Plus

            OK: Not available on Pro (without an Enterprise license).

            But what would be a reason to stick on Pro if you have an Enterprise license?

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    • #332815 Trash

      gkarasik
      AskWoody Lounger

      First Edge and now ATP coming to Win7/8.1? And people are somehow interpreting that as an attempt by MS to goose people into upgrading to Win10? That strikes me as supremely goofy reasoning. Maybe someone will take a moment to explain to dim me exactly how giving two “lesser” OSes Win10 capabilities somehow pushes them away from their current OSes? Because doesn’t it seem a whole lot more likely that giving Win7/8.1 “advanced” capabilities encourages users to stay where they are? Isn’t it *less* likely corporate users will upgrade if they can take advantage of new technologies? Please explain to me why this move isn’t the result of MS recognizing and accepting that their corporate users just aren’t going to drink the Win10 coolaid?

      GaryK

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    • #333094 Trash

      woody
      Da Boss

      This topic is starting to generate a lot of heat and no light.

      I’m sealing it off.

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    • #332996 Trash

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      “Half” is not “most.”

      The article said “more than half”, and that was four months ago.

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    • #333028 Trash

      gkarasik
      AskWoody Lounger

      In fact the article says that Satya Nadella says “more than half.”

      You’re cherry-picking your quotes, and these are Microsoft figures torqued by Microsoft spin, because immediately after that, the article goes on to say, “A Microsoft spokesperson ‘clarified’ this to say, ;based on Microsoft’s data, we can see that there are now more devices in the enterprise running Windows 10 than any other previous version of Windows.’ That description offers a little more wriggle room; Windows 10 might only have a plurality share of enterprise systems rather than the majority share Nadella claimed. But either way, a substantial number of machines in the enterprise are currently running Windows 10.

      Equally, however, it means that there’s a substantial number of machines not running Windows 10. Those systems are likely to be running Windows 7. Windows 7 is due to drop out of support in January 2020. Beyond that date, Windows 7 users will either have to pay for up to three years of patches or switch to Microsoft-hosted virtual machines, which will receive the three additional years of patching at no cost.”

      It’s clear that Microsoft is facing the reality that years after its introduction, Windows 10 is still viewed skeptically in the enterprise. Otherwise, why would Microsoft spend resources to bring Edge and ATP, which it once positioned as carrots to draw enterprise customers to Win 10, to trickle down to Win7/8.1?

      Prediction: Nadella, whose overall strategy is not working for Microsoft’s bottom line, will soon be seeking opportunities elsewhere.

      GaryK

    • #333092 Trash

      woody
      Da Boss

      Nadella, whose overall strategy is not working for Microsoft’s bottom line

      Whuh? I just blew coffee out of my nose.

      You guys can argue about the methods for pushing companies to Win10. But this one’s way off the deep end.

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