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    • #1980165 Reply

      Slowpoke47
      AskWoody Plus

      I’ve used W7 basically since it came out, and it has been everything I have needed in an OS.  The newer offerings from Microsoft have all been more or less problematic, and I want no part of the forced telemetry embedded in W10, not to mention what appears to me to be a slow-motion train wreck as MS tweaks and re-tweaks the system.

      My solution was to go to Linux, and I’m currently learning the ropes in the Mint Mate 19.2 OS.  This edition was suggested to me due to our old-in-computer-years desktop (Dell Inspiron 519), but most people opt for Mint Cinnamon.

      The new OS has been one pleasant surprise after another.  Many functions are intuitive to W7 users, the speed is supersonic compared to MS, and the initial install comes with a long list of software.  I am no tech, but even for my level of computer skills, the changeover has been mostly trouble free.

      We are currently dual-booting W7 and Mate, with the eventual goal of abandoning 7 completely.  There is a comprehensive support community to smooth the rough edges that come up as we get acclimated:  Linux Mint Forums – Index page

      Highly recommended!

      Windows 7 HP and Linux Mint Mate 19.2

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    • #1980172 Reply

      JustAsking
      AskWoody Plus

      Good idea. I plan to do similarly. Probably my desktop pc is too old anyway to upgrade to Win10. I have currently in multiboot: Win7, Linux Mint 19, and Linux Q4dos. Both Linux versions work fine. When Win7 support runs out, I can still access the Win7 partition from Linux (documents, pictures, etc. for example).

      I’ve also bought a cheap laptop with Win10, just to be able to run certain programs, and to be “up to date” in general.

       

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    • #1980223 Reply

      agoldhammer
      AskWoody Plus

      For those of us running MSFT Windows Media Center for cable television, staying with Win7 past the end of life is a given.  Fortunately, we can control how such PCs are used and in my case the only Internet use is for streaming from certain select sites (Netflix, Amazon Prime, ESPN).  This is manageable.  The alternative is a cable box for more money than I care to pay.

    • #1980224 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      My solution was to go to Linux, and I’m currently learning the ropes in the Mint Mate 19.2 OS. This edition was suggested to me due to our old-in-computer-years desktop (Dell Inspiron 519), but most people opt for Mint Cinnamon.

      I also like Mate over cinnamon, it was years ago but I decided that Cinnamon was just way too annoying, the Gnome 3 stuff it is based on likely. ( I am NOT a Linux guru 🤣 ) I still like XP got thru 7 and am kinda OK with 10 but the writing ,as they say, is on the wall. Better to get a bit of familiarity with Linux now while you can still reasonably use an older Windows. I also have found the Mint forums very helpful, more so than some of the other distro’s forums.

      🍻

      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
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    • #1980292 Reply

      Purg2
      AskWoody Lounger

      Sitting in the same boat to a degree.

      While I have a few more years to go on my own machine, I help a few Win7 friends out.  We’ve been discussing what the next move is.  Some will go to Win10 because they aren’t too fussy.  Others are going Group W.  A few are switching to Linux, depending on if they can get key financial programs to run on it or some other critical program.  Lots of adventure.

      Meanwhile, I’m confident in the active members we have here in the Linux forums & would not hesitate to raise any questions here.  A really sharp bunch.

      Also, @agoldhammer, there might be a way to get untied from Windows Media Center.  Give these a read.
      https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/win7-media-center-replacement/  https://www.askwoody.com/forums/search/videolan/

      Win 8.1 Group B, Linux Dabbler

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    • #1980312 Reply

      Charlie
      AskWoody Plus

      I like Win 7 very much, and I still like Win XP a lot too.  I run both of them in the “Classic Windows” theme that I’ve always preferred. I read many posts similar to this one referring to the demise of Win 7 or the “End of Life” (EOL) of Win7, when it’s really the “End of Service” (EOS) by Microsoft.

      I still have an old laptop that runs WinXP Pro, and an even older computer that runs Win 98 SE which I use primarily to play old non-internet FPS and RPG games on.  I also within the last two years have gotten fairly familiar with Linux Mint and now have Mint 19.1 installed on an old Sony VAO laptop and it runs great.

      The thing that bothers me is that I will eventually have to depend on Linux or something else like a Chromebook to go on the Web/Internet. I know a lot about Windows, but not as much about Linux, etc.  But life goes on so they tell me.

      Win 7 Home Premium, x64, Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz, Groups B & L

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    • #1980383 Reply

      Ascaris
      AskWoody_MVP

      The thing that bothers me is that I will eventually have to depend on Linux or something else like a Chromebook to go on the Web/Internet.

      What about that bothers you?  Maybe I/we can help!

      If you’ve already got Mint installed, all you need is a browser… Mint comes with Firefox, and if Chrome is your preference, you can easily get that too.  Chromium, the open-source base of Chrome, is in the Ubuntu repository, which is also used by Mint.  Specialty browsers like Waterfox, Pale Moon, Basilisk, Vivaldi, Brave, etc., are all available in Linux as well.

      About the only browsers that don’t have Linux versions are Safari and IE/Edge.

      Once you start with the browser, it’s pretty much identical to how it works in Windows, with the same extensions and everything.

      Group "L" (KDE Neon User Edition 5.17.4).

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    • #1980407 Reply

      Charlie
      AskWoody Plus

      I use Firefox, which was included with the Linux Mint Cinnamon 19.1 package.  I have kept FF and Linux up to date and have no problem using it myself, but my wife doesn’t like the idea of having to use Linux.  Therein lies the bother.  I should have worded it differently or left that paragraph out altogether.

      Even though I can use Linux Mint to go on the Web/Internet, I’ve got a long way to go to know how to do as much with Linux as I can with Win 7.  I also absolutely refuse to put up with Win 10.  I think I’ll eventually bring my wife around to seeing how relatively easy it is to use Linux to surf the Web.  Thanks for your reply.

      Win 7 Home Premium, x64, Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz, Groups B & L

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      • #1980416 Reply

        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        Charlie, If you are interested in getting out more than what can be clicked and pointed in graphic interfaces, but instead want to use Linux to the full, there are a number of books that can teach you how to do that.

        For a start, and since Mint is a fork of Ubuntu (that is a fork of Debian: not a great variety of flatware in LINUX, is there?), the book (that I’ve got, with several others named here, from Amazon) “Ubuntu Unleashed” (2019 edition) is a good one. To go further into the dark heart of Linux, there are several books published by O’Reilly, from the old but still useful “LINUX Unleashed” and “The Linux Bible” (more recent and advanced), to various books on particularly useful applications within LINUX, such as Awk, Sed, Grep, Vi as well as books on shell scripts (BASH in particular, as this is also the default shell in macOS — albeit a slightly quirky version of the standard one), that are very important both to set up LINUX to work the way one likes it and to automatize procedures one needs to use, by writing executable scripts that do that. This is all accessible mostly, or entirely, from the command line, through the Terminal application.

        Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W + Mac&Lx

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      • #1980763 Reply

        mn–
        AskWoody Lounger

        , but my wife doesn’t like the idea of having to use Linux.  Therein lies the bother.

        Well yes, this is a not very unusual problem really… about half of these are more about the “having to”, than “Linux”. And even with the latter, most of the time it’s just the usual resistance to change.

        Easier if you never have them get used to Windows 😉 worked for me at least…

        Oh and if you have different preferences regarding the user interface – it’s usually easy to install multiple desktop environments on Linux, these days you usually get a menu button in the login screen where you can choose which one to use.

        (Also one of our children really liked to play with user interface settings and figured out how to do that very early. Everyone learned very quickly to use passwords, so that he can only make a mess of his own.)

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      • #1981747 Reply

        MrJimPhelps
        AskWoody_MVP

        I have kept FF and Linux up to date and have no problem using it myself, but my wife doesn’t like the idea of having to use Linux.

        Exact same situation with me. To address this situation, I increased my computer’s memory from 4GB to 12GB, then installed Windows 8.1 (with Classic Shell) in a virtual machine. The virtual machine stays open all the time, which allows my wife to operate in a completely Windows environment all the time. It works so well that you hardly notice that Windows is running in a VM rather than being the host OS.

        Not only for my wife, but also for me – sometimes there are things I simply don’t know how to do in Linux. Having Windows a click away is a lifesaver sometimes – this allows me to do everything I need while I am learning Linux.

        I went with Windows 8.1 because it won’t go out of support until January of 2023, unlike Windows 7 which goes out of support in a couple of months. And with Classic Shell installed, it looks and feels just like Windows 7.

        I run Linux Mint XFCE 18.2, and I use VMWare Workstation Player for my virtual machine.

        Group "L" (Linux Mint)
        with Windows 8.1 running in a VM
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    • #1980569 Reply

      Lars220
      AskWoody Lounger

      I recently found the below linked website concerning Linux Mint beginner tutorials. It is dated September 6, 2018 – but it has a lot of nice “beginner” lessons using Linux Mint. Maybe this would be helpful for all us newcomers to Linux Mint.

      Linux beginner tutorials – an overview

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    • #1980667 Reply

      Paul T
      AskWoody MVP

      I still have an old laptop that runs WinXP Pro, and an even older computer that runs Win 98 SE which I use primarily to play old non-internet FPS and RPG games on.

      If you have modern hardware running Linux why not install Virtual Machine software and convert your old machines to VMs? Then you can keep running them on whatever hardware / OS you want.

      cheers, Paul

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    • #1981229 Reply

      Charlie
      AskWoody Plus

      Thanks very much to everyone for your suggestions.  I already have a book called “Linux All In One” for dummies by Emmett Dulaney which has been very useful, but deals mainly with the basics of all distros and Terminal commands.  It has very little specifically on Linux Mint which would have been nice to have.  I’ll check and see if I can get the books spoken of and then I’ll be much better off.  Thanks again.

      Win 7 Home Premium, x64, Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz, Groups B & L

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    • #1981626 Reply

      Paul T
      AskWoody MVP

      You don’t really need a book to learn how to use Linux – seems ironic. Like anything new you need to use it to work out the bits you need.

      cheers, Paul

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      • #1981719 Reply

        JustAsking
        AskWoody Plus

        Perhaps you don’t need a book to learn Linux. Still I found it useful to read an e-book going through the fundamentals. Of course with doing the exercises to familiarise yourself with the stuff.

        But of course there are lots of introductory material online. And the communities are also generally helpful. 😉

         

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    • #1981806 Reply

      Slowpoke47
      AskWoody Plus

      OP here- I see I have opened a popular discussion.  I, for one, will be pleased to have an appropriate guide book (yes, on paper) to peruse, even away from the computer, to absorb some context- the big picture, so to speak- which will help me to understand those operations that differ from W7.  The same book will be a reference, handier than poking around online or asking on a forum.  Not to downplay the forum resource, especially this one, which has helped me immeasurably, but the printed page has its place as well.

      This was my strategy for learning Windows years back, and it was a good one.

      Windows 7 HP and Linux Mint Mate 19.2

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    • #1981825 Reply

      LHiggins
      AskWoody Plus

      Great discussion!

      I also have been making the transition from Windows 7 to Linux Mint. I use Cinnamon on my Lenovo laptop – running it using a full install on a USB, so it is not actually on my hard drive. When I started looking into Linux, I found a book called Linux in Easy Steps: Illustrated in Linux Mint by Michael McGrath that I found useful. It as a lot of good, basic information, but it is shown using Mint, so it is very easy to follow and absorb. Very good illustrations as well.

      So far, I have to say that I am enjoying Mint. It seems to run great on my old 4GB RAM laptop so far – but I am still looking into other ideas like a refurbished Win 8.1 as a way to extend Windows as others have said, for the things that might not work on Mint.

       

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    • #1982215 Reply

      OscarCP
      AskWoody Plus

      I would like to add to he list I posted earlier here the name of one more book I have found very useful and keep always handy, when I need to learn about new LINUX commands I come across or to refresh my memory about some that I already have used, but infrequently, in the past. The book main section is mostly a list with some brief and (when necessary) not so brief descriptions of the commands and their command-line parameters. Although it is for UNIX, most of it is applicable to LINUX. It has been many years I have been using it, and it has always been to help me use LINUX.

      This is the 9th edition of the book, published in 2009, a timely update of this old classic, and it can be bought from Amazon (actually new copies, for around 20 US$, from vendors that sell through Amazon — so far I have had no reason for complaining when buying items this way — I suppose one’s luck here depends mostly on what one is buying):

       

       

      Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W + Mac&Lx

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    • #1982236 Reply

      OscarCP
      AskWoody Plus

      Adding to my previous posting: I just found out that there is a newer book, published also by O’Reilly, called “LINUX in a Nutshell, co-authored by Arnold Robbins, who wrote “UNIX in a Nutshell.” I just bought it from Amazon, but since I have note read it yet, I’m not commenting on it now.

      Edited to add the following: I almost forgot to mention: the line command “man appsname” (where “man stands for “manual” and it is a built-in manual that explains almost everything about any Linux command (“appsname”), at least those apps that have a “man” page in the manual.

      For someone not yet a regular user o LINUX, it might be a bit daunting to read some of those “man” pages at first, because one has to become familiar with the jargon and symbol conventions used there. But, with some patient effort, that soon ceases to be a real impediment.

      Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W + Mac&Lx

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    • #1983048 Reply

      Pointedly
      AskWoody Plus

      Unlike other Linux users in the above discussion, I chose to install the Ubuntu-based elementary Operating System Juno. I dual boot it with Windows 7. My Linux installation contains software to easily stream online videos to my TV (using an HDMI cable).

      I don’t use the Linux command line much, except to obtain and install some software. If you need information about the command line, here are a couple of good references:

      Unix/Linux Command Reference

      Dave McKay Articles – How-To-Geek

       

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    • #1983982 Reply

      Slowpoke47
      AskWoody Plus

      This is the book I have started with, very basic, published a year ago. Linux in easy steps: Illustrated using Linux Mint: Mike McGrath: 9781840788082: Amazon.com: Books   There are a few changes in the Mate 19.2 OS we are using over some details in this book, but overall a good place to start for those who, like myself, want a reference for context.

      The copy I’m using is borrowed from the local library, may decide to buy a copy, but waiting for a couple of others from Amazon to see which one(s) seem to be the most helpful.  The Mint forum cited earlier has been a huge help, as have the user guides in the OS itself.

      Windows 7 HP and Linux Mint Mate 19.2

      • #1984013 Reply

        LHiggins
        AskWoody Plus

        Yes – this is the same book I mentioned above:

        When I started looking into Linux, I found a book called Linux in Easy Steps: Illustrated in Linux Mint by Michael McGrath that I found useful. It as a lot of good, basic information, but it is shown using Mint, so it is very easy to follow and absorb. Very good illustrations as well.

        I have found it to be helpful, but there are many great tutorials and discussion groups for using Mint as well.

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    • #1986316 Reply

      Slowpoke47
      AskWoody Plus

      Changeover from W7 to Linux Mint proceeding reasonably well.  Only real snag is enabling the scan function in our HP all-in-one printer, but it looks doable.  The new install is a dual boot with W7- on this machine, using two individual HDDs, but with adequate storage, a dual boot can be set up on one disk.

      An unexpected benefit of going with a dual boot is that Linux imports the complete library of files from Windows unbidden- most convenient!  Mint OS comes with a comprehensive library of software, including LibreOffice, a development of the OpenOffice suite we have used since MS began charging a monthly fee for their Office programs- and LibreOffice can export its native formats (.odt, .ods, etc.) in the more widely used MS Office formats- another bonus.

      As I get further introduced to the Mate OS, I am less and less interested in using Windows- by comparison, stuck in the Stone Age.

      Windows 7 HP and Linux Mint Mate 19.2

    • #1986340 Reply

      jabeattyauditor
      AskWoody Lounger

      As I get further introduced to the Mate OS, I am less and less interested in using Windows- by comparison, stuck in the Stone Age.

      Windows 7 is only ten years old – I’m absolutely shocked you’d consider it to be stuck in the Stone Age.

    • #1986396 Reply

      Slowpoke47
      AskWoody Plus

      As I get further introduced to the Mate OS, I am less and less interested in using Windows- by comparison, stuck in the Stone Age.

      Windows 7 is only ten years old – I’m absolutely shocked you’d consider it to be stuck in the Stone Age.

      Yeah, condemned to the trash heap by MS.  Likely I wouldn’t have looked further afield if they hadn’t done that- but they actually did me a favor.

      Windows 7 HP and Linux Mint Mate 19.2

      • #1986554 Reply

        Ascaris
        AskWoody_MVP

        Yeah, condemned to the trash heap by MS. Likely I wouldn’t have looked further afield if they hadn’t done that- but they actually did me a favor.

        Same here.  I was mostly satisfied with Windows from 3.0 in 1990 to ME in 2000 (yes, I actually liked ME… I must have been one of about four people who did!), but when I tried XP, that’s when it really got good.  From there I moved to 7, mainly because I wanted to go 64-bit, and XP, 64-bit or otherwise, was then so close to EOL that it seemed foolish to try.  By that time, 8.1 was already out, and I was just getting around to 7… but I had been satisfied with XP, so why fix what is not broken?  I was not interested in the weird interface of 8.x, so that was out (at that time).

        The weirdness of 8 didn’t bother me, as we’d had “bad” Windows versions before, and Microsoft always had fixed what was wrong and come back to the table with a new, improved version of Windows that we did want.  I was sure that would happen again, and until then, I would be on 7.

        Windows 8.2 was supposed to bring back more desktop-friendly features, like the much requested transparency effect and Windows 7 style start menus in lieu of the tiled, full-screen Windows 8 version.  It was internally called “Threshold,” announced the magazines, but it was never released.

        So bad was the furor over Windows 8.x that Microsoft decided that the name was hopelessly tainted, and that anything that bore it would be instantly rejected, which had happened previously with Vista.  They would redouble their efforts to fix what was disliked about 8.x, working closely with users to bring the Windows that everyone wished 8 had been from the start.

        That’s what became of “Threshold,” which was the internal name for the first release of Windows 10.  It’s kind of humorous to look back at what the prognosticators were saying about it in those early days… this was the make or break OS for Microsoft, so they knew they had better get it right.  I saw one Linux blogger lamenting it, and while my first instinct was to think it was meant ironically, but it had none of the usual hints that it was satirical.  The writer of the blog had said that Linux on the desktop had only attained the modest success it had because of the badness of Windows, and now with Microsoft working so hard to deliver a user-centered version, Linux on the desktop would wither away.

        When Windows 10 was released, I had my doubts about it, based on what I’d read in the tech previews, but I wanted to give it a fair shot, and on familiar hardware, not just in a VM, where I would never know if a glitch or slow performance was the VM or the new OS itself.  I backed up my Windows 7 installation (using Macrium Reflect or Acronis True Image, not sure which) to an external HDD, then unplugged that drive, plugged in another external HDD, and backed it up again.

        While that was going on, I downloaded the Windows 10 media creation tool, and allowed that to create a USB installer drive.  I’d never permitted the update that brought about GWX to install, as I’ve screened every update installed on my PC since the beginning of Windows updates, and I’d rejected all of the ones that mentioned “the latest version of Windows,” which was the way they referred to 10 in all of the update descriptions.

        I began the upgrade process manually using my new USB installer drive.  Back then, it was not possible to do a clean installation of 10 and have the free upgrade… if you installed cleanly, it would want a Windows 10 key, and it would not accept one from the prior versions.  That would come later.

        The upgrade went smoothly, and soon Windows 10 started.  I tried it out… and I found it appalling.  The more I learned about it, the more I wanted to return to Windows 7.  I decided to test the “roll back” feature to restore my original Windows, and it worked fine.  I didn’t trust it… I’ve always been really protective over my Windows installation to keep it from developing Windows rot, and there was no way to know if there was a hidden registry bug or other time bomb waiting in my “restored” Windows 7.  Once I was satisfied that the roll-back had worked, I restored it from one of my backups anyway, just to be certain.

        I wasn’t alarmed.  This was a first release; surely MS would be fixing it soon, as they always had with new Windows versions.  I allowed my second desktop PC, also running 7, to upgrade to 10, and after that was done, I installed Linux (Kubuntu initially, then Mint KDE, and finally Mint Cinnamon) just in case it was going to be something I would need to get used to.

        Over time, I watched people react to 10, and I would try out the things others were mentioning, and my opinion of 10 got worse and worse.  A new feature build arrived, and none of the concerns that I had, which I had seen mirrored in dozens of posts across the internet, had been corrected, but some other things had gotten worse.  Microsoft was catching heat for rolling back people’s settings to limit telemetry and going back to the default settings, which they passed off as a bug, but it was a mighty convenient one that was right in line with their “we will do as we wish with your PC” philosophy.

        It became evident that MS would not be fixing this one.  They’d completely ignored the complaints people had about 10 and delivered a feature update that addressed none of them.  It was evident that the whole thing… the GWX nags, the dark patterns trying to trick people into taking Windows 10, the repeated “Gorsh!” (think Disney’s Goofy) moments when “bugs” continuously managed to serve Microsoft’s interests, the unprecedented amount of control 10 exerted over a user’s system… none of this was in error.  It was by design, every last bit of it.

        I’d been dabbling with my new Linux installation on that same test machine, but I was doing most of my stuff on my Win 7 desktop.  I already knew that Windows 10 was “the last version ever,” so any hope of Windows 11 being better was dashed (intentionally).  That’s when I decided that I had to have Linux on my main machine and really do my normal stuff with it as much as possible so that I could be ready to make the jump when Windows 7’s time ran out.

        That’s where it started.  I did move to Windows 8.1 to give myself some more time… the silly interface was still annoying, but it seemed like a mere nuisance now.  I’d hated Windows 8.x before, but now that I saw what 10 was like, I wondered why I’d disliked 8.1 so much.  As I am fond of saying, it took Windows 10 to make Windows 8.1 look good… suitably modified, of course, but that had been the case even with Windows 7.

        It turns out that I didn’t need any of the extra time.  At first, I just reflexively used Windows, and I had to make myself use Linux, and it was more of a novelty than anything else.  Over time, something happened, and one day I realized I hadn’t started Windows in a longer time than ever before.  I remember the time when I had to make myself use Linux clearly, and I can obviously remember right now quite clearly, but the time in between is more hazy… somehow I made the transition from primary Windows user to primary Linux user, and I wasn’t really sure exactly when or how it happened.

        I’m not completely Windows-free now, and I probably won’t be.  Windows has 90% of the desktop market, and Linux has 2%.  There will be things that work in Windows but not in Linux, and I will want to do some of those things.  The software to program my Corsair mouse and keyboard, for example, does not exist for Linux.  Once programmed, they work in Linux just fine, but the actual programming has to be done in Windows.  I use a VM for that, and it works nicely.

        For my Windows games, where the performance penalty of a virtualized GPU would be too much (and I am not really interested in setting up a pass-through system with a dedicated GPU for the VM), I use WINE.  Nearly everything I want to run works well, and WINE keeps getting better.

        As a PC enthusiast, I actually look forward to updates once again, as I had in Windows long ago.  I have Microsoft to thank for that… had they not made Windows 10 the way it is, I would have kept soldiering on in Windows-land, mostly oblivious to Linux.  I knew it was there, and I had even tried it in earnest several years prior (2008ish), but I hadn’t stuck with it, since I was perfectly happy with XP at that time. Microsoft’s Windows 10 push just pushed me away from Windows completely.

         

         

         

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    • #1986747 Reply

      Charlie
      AskWoody Plus

      Maybe I’m a tad paranoid, and even with Linux at only 2% of market, I still won’t advertise the kind of Linux I’m using unless I absolutely have to.  It’s looking like the Linux percentage will definitely go up if MS continues to screw up.

      Most posts I put Linux or Group L.

      Win 7 Home Premium, x64, Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz, Groups B & L

      • #1986779 Reply

        Ascaris
        AskWoody_MVP

        Paranoid about what?  I can’t imagine what the threat would be to not mention a type of Linux, or what it has to do with the market share.

        Group "L" (KDE Neon User Edition 5.17.4).

    • #1986755 Reply

      wavy
      AskWoody Plus

      The software to program my Corsair mouse and keyboard, for example, does not exist for Linux. Once programmed, they work in Linux just fine, but the actual programming has to be done in Windows. I use a VM for that, and it works nicely.

      I am interested in how to do this, do you have links?

      🍻

      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
    • #1986792 Reply

      MrJimPhelps
      AskWoody_MVP

      I chose Mint XFCE, because it is supposed to be more light-weight than the other implementations of Mint.

      May I suggest that if you can get your hands on a retail license for Windows 8.1, and if you have at least 8 GB of RAM in your computer, that you install some virtual machine software (e.g. Oracle VirtualBox or VMWare Workstation Player), and then install Windows 8.1 as a virtual machine within Linux Mint. Doing this will allow you to instantly click between Mint and Windows. Once you have Windows 8.1 installed as a VM, install Classic Shell in Windows 8.1. Classic Shell will allow you to configure Windows 8.1 to look and feel exactly like Windows 7. Once all of that is done, you will have Windows just a click away, and best of all, you can leave it connected to the internet for another three years.

      Group "L" (Linux Mint)
      with Windows 8.1 running in a VM
    • #1986873 Reply

      Slowpoke47
      AskWoody Plus

      Maybe I’m a tad paranoid, and even with Linux at only 2% of market, I still won’t advertise the kind of Linux I’m using unless I absolutely have to.  It’s looking like the Linux percentage will definitely go up if MS continues to screw up.

      Most posts I put Linux or Group L.

      I’m with Ascaris- Nothing is going to happen to you for moving to Linux- unless MS sets up a computer gestapo to herd us all into W10:)

      But of course, you don’t absolutely have to do anything.  (Well, maybe pay your taxes)

      Windows 7 HP and Linux Mint Mate 19.2

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      • #1987920 Reply

        Charlie
        AskWoody Plus

        I was told once by a salesman for ADT that you shouldn’t put out a sign on your front lawn advertising the fact that you have ADT.  It makes the burglar’s job easier, and that goes for any security system.  I figure the same thing goes for Linux.  One of the things that confronts a would be hacker is how many different distros and versions of Linux there are.  We shouldn’t make his job any easier.

        Win 7 Home Premium, x64, Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz, Groups B & L

    • #1987956 Reply

      JustAsking
      AskWoody Plus

      The security of Linux lies in the fact that it is open source, and if you only use verified and safe modules, hackers can’t get access to your system. Because if a hacker inserts malicious code in a Linux module, it will be detected by others when testing the module.

       

      • #1988050 Reply

        mn–
        AskWoody Lounger

        Linux coders are still human. Security holes are found occasionally. Insufficiently paranoid input checking for data that is just exactly that much off and…

        Also, with Linux the kernel is written and tested by one bunch of people, then each separate background service process and each application is written and tested by separate teams more or less isolated from each other’s progress, then yet another team puts it all together … sometimes things can fall between the seams.

        Open source is no substitute for proper code review and thorough testing before release.

        Another thing with open source is that you’re never very strongly tied to a single supplier. Worst case, everything can be rebuilt from source code.

        (As an example – I mentioned somewhere else that I am… burdened with… ancient things that still require in-browser Java. Some Linux distributions no longer include that, so I built the plugin from source.)

    • #1988081 Reply

      JustAsking
      AskWoody Plus

      Yes, that’s true. But if you only use code that has been around for sometime, and already been ‘beta-tested’, you should be relatively safe, don’t you think? I mean there aren’t many reports of Linux being hacked, and it is probably not very interesting to hackers, as things are.

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      • #1988084 Reply

        mn–
        AskWoody Lounger

        Heh, I’ve been doing this since the 90s… I *have* seen Linux-targeting hack attempts every now and then. Including on one international company’s border router… which looked sort of like Linux but wasn’t, so the exploit didn’t work on it.

        Linux may not be very common on desktops but servers are juicy targets and people prefer to be quiet about that side of things.

        • #1988085 Reply

          JustAsking
          AskWoody Plus

          Ok – interesting. No one is safe. 😉

          • #1988130 Reply

            MrJimPhelps
            AskWoody_MVP

            I think you’re a lot safer with Linux than with Windows, but nothing is 100% safe. For example, if you don’t use common sense when opening emails and clicking on links, you might get stung even if you are running Linux.

            If someone really wants to, and they are an expert in that sort of thing, they can probably hack you no matter what you are running or how careful you are.

            Group "L" (Linux Mint)
            with Windows 8.1 running in a VM
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    • #1988248 Reply

      Charlie
      AskWoody Plus

      Thanks for the replies.  I know that I’m much safer on Linux that Windows, but I was thinking about further down the road at a time when Linux may have 80% of market share, and MS Windows (if it still exists) has less than 20%.

      Win 7 Home Premium, x64, Intel i3-2120 3.3GHz, Groups B & L

      • #1988324 Reply

        Ascaris
        AskWoody_MVP

        I like your optimism!

        Even if that were to ever come to pass, it still isn’t likely that anyone knowing what distro you use (or that you used in 2019, when Linux was still at a paltry 2%) will make any difference.  They all use the Linux kernel and mostly the same packages for a lot of important things. Even if distro mattered, so many people change that so often that it would hardly matter what someone claimed to be using at any given time.

        Fortunately, the odds of someone specifically targeting any one ordinary person’s PC are slim… servers (as mn- mentioned) are another story, but they’re always on, accepting packets from the internet, by design, and they are often have access to a lot of people’s privileged information.  The threat profile is different, and the odds that someone is going to try to hack an ordinary person’s personal computer is pretty tiny.

        The bigger threat to regular users is malware.  It’s not a sophisticated, thinking hacker doing research on you, trying to get an edge… it’s an infected email sent by a bot, an executable program from an unknown source (sent by a bot or left to be discovered in some compromised repository), or (less commonly) a drive-by exploit of a browser or plugin zero-day delivered to anyone who visits the compromised web site.  It’s not one person targeted, but mass numbers of people, as many as they can get to take the bait.

        Of course, this malware is going to try to infect anyone that crosses its path.  It’s not able to figure out who you are on a given web forum and glean from that what distro you use… and it’s not particularly concerned about it.  Either the exploit works, and you’re compromised, or it doesn’t, and you’re not.  If it is programmed to detect the OS of the target and only act if it is a certain version of Windows or Linux or anything else, it will grab that data itself.  There are a lot of ways that a piece of malware can probe its target and figure out its identity.

        Group "L" (KDE Neon User Edition 5.17.4).

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