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      • #2012584 Reply
        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        I have an HP ProBook 450 G2 laptop that started as W7 Pro and in 2015 I upgraded it to W10 Pro. It used to be pretty responsive after the W10 upgrade but as I accumulate more feature updates and cumulative updates it is getting more sluggish (mainly at bootup). I’m still on 1809 17763.805 right now.

        Current specs: Intel core i7 5500u at 2.4 GHZ, memory 4GB x 2=7.97 GB + 32 MB video, a 500 GB SSHD.

        I’m wondering if it’s worth it to max out the memory by replacing the memory with 16 GB      (8 GBx2) and a Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB SSD, or will I be just wasting money trying to get better bootups out of a 2.4 GHZ laptop.

        Thanks

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

      • #2012612 Reply
        joep517
        AskWoody MVP

        Have you checked your startup programs? You can use Task Manager to disable unwanted startup programs.

        --Joe

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      • #2012634 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        I’d definitely put a proper SSD in, but the real issue will be other software starting up, as Joe said.

        cheers, Paul

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      • #2012647 Reply
        Ascaris
        AskWoody_MVP

        It will absolutely make a noticeable difference to put in a SSD.  I’m using a 2.5 GHz notebook with a SSD (860 Evo 1TB M.2) right now, and it’s a much slower 2.5 than yours (Intel Pentium Silver N4200, a derivative of the famously slow Atom).  I bought a SSD in my 2.5 GHz Core 2 Duo laptop too, and even with that old hardware (and only SATA 2), it was still a pretty huge improvement.  That SSD (850 Evo 1TB 2.5″) is now in my Dell G3.

        That said, what the others said is right… if it is slower than it used to be, something’s changed, and whatever that is will slow you down on a SSD too.  It will be faster than now, but not as fast as it could be.  In my Windows days, I used to regularly go to the “run” keys (which I had bookmarked in registry editor) and clean out the cruft that accumulates in there.  It seems that every program wants to check for updates upon Windows start, and that can really slow things down when you get a bunch of them.

        The startup tab in task manager will show the programs having the biggest performance hit on startup.  You can try disabling some or all and see if that helps.  If it is fixed, you’ve found the issue; if not, you know to keep looking.

        I would also suggest running a disk check just to be certain it’s all working as intended, if you have not already.

         

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      • #2012728 Reply
        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        Yes, Startup would be the place to start looking. I only fire it up once a week (usually on Sunday) to charge it up and get all the MS reconfiguration files. I was looking at prices and actually it would be fairly cheap to do the upgrade I mentioned, crucial memory=$81.00, SSD=$58.00 so it’s not cost prohibitive but as everyone alludes to, I probably need to check startup and maybe look at Disk cleanup for the all the past WU stuff that is left behind.

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

      • #2013532 Reply
        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        Interestingly, Startup programs didn’t look that bad and disk cleanup wouldn’t get more than 4 GB back. I guess my next step will be to add the SSD and max out the memory.

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

        • #2013579 Reply
          Michael Austin
          AskWoody Plus

          On a 2015 Toshiba Satellite running Windows 8, with 8 GB RAM and a 750 GB, 5,400 RPM HD I just swapped in a 1 TB SSD for the spinning disc. Startup is massively faster and also an acceptable speed.

          Finance, social and tech founder. My new, planet-wide talk show, Casual Saints, is happening.

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          • #2013687 Reply
            CADesertRat
            AskWoody Plus

            My ProBook originally came with a 5400 SSHD but I changed it to a 7200 SSHD. After the bootup it seems to be pretty quick but it seems to be getting slower and slower on bootup, especially after going to 1809 17763.805. Anyway, I think I’m getting the SSD and memory for Christmas 🙂

            Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
            4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

      • #2014155 Reply
        Vincenzo
        AskWoody Lounger

        Why not put in the SSD and do a fresh install of Windows? You can always attach the old HDD externally to copy stuff.
        I don’t think going to 16 GB will help boot time IMO.

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        • #2014161 Reply
          CADesertRat
          AskWoody Plus

          Why not put in the SSD and do a fresh install of Windows? You can always attach the old HDD externally to copy stuff. I don’t think going to 16 GB will help boot time IMO.

          Your probably right about the memory but the SSD is what I am hoping will shorten the boot time. The memory will help after boot.

          My plan is to clone the SSHD to the SSD and replace it. The SSD and memory are going to be gifts so I won’t be out any money on the upgrade so why not, LOL. If I’m not happy with the results, I will move on to another plan. The CPU is only a 2.4 GHZ so that could be part of the problem also.

          I originally bought the laptop with W7 Pro to experiment with the (then) new W10 and I upgraded to W10 on 8/4/15. The laptop always booted up pretty quickly until I got to 1809.

          Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
          4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

          • This reply was modified 8 months, 1 week ago by CADesertRat.
          • #2014171 Reply
            Michael Austin
            AskWoody Plus

            The laptop from which I’m typing this (at a restaurant) has an Intel i5 (four-core) processor running at 2.2 GHz on Windows 8.1 from 2015. It has a slower processor than yours and 8 GB RAM.

            This is laptop on which I swapped (by myself) the 5,400 spinning disc for a Western Digital 1 TB SSD. Yes, the laptop had glacial startups before I changed the drive. But the drive solved all my problems, and in this case the memory was a non-issue. Yes, I’ve selected Delayed Start for my cloud storage app. But even that didn’t make the difference the SSD did. The SSD gives this box lickety-split startups that no one else had imagined. Including the mediocre-at-best techs of Geek Squad, or the very respectable, silver-back computer tech shop owner who opined that he didn’t know if the drive would solve my needs.

            To create a disc image of the original drive I used EaseUS Disk Copy Pro to send the image to an external USB drive which is usually used for disc image backups on my desktop. Then I attached the external USB drive to my very fast desktop (with 32 GB of RAM and an 8-core Intel processor). I then wrote the clone to the new SSD. Then removed it and installed it into the laptop.

            In nosing around I also found external SATA/IDE/USB interfaces which connect directly to USB ports for $20. With this I wiped some old drive using LapLink Safe Erase, including the 5,400 spinner 🙂

            The laptop booted fast on the very first try. No, I don’t usually run graphics-intensive programs on the laptop like Photoshop. But it still handles that just fine when I want it every once in a while.

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            • #2014181 Reply
              CADesertRat
              AskWoody Plus

              The laptop booted fast on the very first try. No, I don’t usually run graphics-intensive programs on the laptop like Photoshop. But it still handles that just fine when I want it every once in a while.

              That’s encouraging, hopefully mine will do the same. I do have an old copy of Photoshop on it but seldom use it.

              To create a disc image of the original drive I used EaseUS Disk Copy Pro to send the image to an external USB drive which is usually used for disc image backups on my desktop. Then I attached the external USB drive to my very fast desktop (with 32 GB of RAM and an 8-core Intel processor). I then wrote the clone to the new SSD. Then removed it and installed it into the laptop.

              Yes, that’s my plan but I use “Casper” for cloning. I’ve been using it since XP days and have version 8. So far (knock on wood) it hasn’t failed me. 🙂

              Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
              4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

            • #2036656 Reply
              Ascaris
              AskWoody_MVP

              the very respectable, silver-back computer tech shop owner who opined that he didn’t know if the drive would solve my needs.

              Gorillas own businesses where you live?  That sounds, erm, kinda strange.

              Group "L" (KDE Neon User Edition 5.19.4).

      • #2014195 Reply
        Michael Austin
        AskWoody Plus

        The laptop booted fast on the very first try. No, I don’t usually run graphics-intensive programs on the laptop like Photoshop. But it still handles that just fine when I want it every once in a while.

        That’s encouraging, hopefully mine will do the same. I do have an old copy of Photoshop on it but seldom use it.

        To create a disc image of the original drive I used EaseUS Disk Copy Pro to send the image to an external USB drive which is usually used for disc image backups on my desktop. Then I attached the external USB drive to my very fast desktop (with 32 GB of RAM and an 8-core Intel processor). I then wrote the clone to the new SSD. Then removed it and installed it into the laptop.

        Yes, that’s my plan but I use “Casper” for cloning. I’ve been using it since XP days and have version 8. So far (knock on wood) it hasn’t failed me. 🙂

        From a cold boot, it takes around 8 seconds to get to my laptop’s Windows log-on. The Task Manager Startup tab shows 2.7 seconds BIOS time.

        Moment boot into Windows here’s a snap of Task Manager status 🙂

        Given your Ask Woody user name you might find the company I co-founded to be interesting:  HardshellLabs.com.

        Finance, social and tech founder. My new, planet-wide talk show, Casual Saints, is happening.

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        • #2014210 Reply
          CADesertRat
          AskWoody Plus

          Hopefully my boot times will be as good. They are nowhere near that presently.

          Given your Ask Woody user name you might find the company I co-founded to be interesting:  HardshellLabs.com.

          Very perceptive. I deal with the Ravens constantly as I live surrounded on 3 sides by a Pistachio orchard. They use Propane canons and predator calls during the time the nuts get ripened and harvesting time. Between the Ravens, noise pollution, and the leaves at this time of year clogging up my fence line and access gates, it’s quite an adventure to say the least.

          Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
          4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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      • #2014215 Reply
        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        This is starting to go off topic but to answer your question, no I don’t own the orchard. They bought the land around this property and expanded.

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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      • #2036540 Reply
        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        Well, I spent Christmas cloning/installing my new SSD and memory. It most certainly improved boot time and seems pretty snappy.   🙂

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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      • #2036588 Reply
        Michael Austin
        AskWoody Plus

        Wonderful!! Ho ho ho!!

        Finance, social and tech founder. My new, planet-wide talk show, Casual Saints, is happening.

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      • #2036617 Reply
        MrJimPhelps
        AskWoody_MVP

        Sounds like your computer is getting old. Therefore, it may be becoming incompatible with Windows 10. That said…

        A clean install of Windows 10 would likely speed things up. If you are going to go that route, I suggest going with W10-1909.

        You have plenty of memory, and you already have an SSD; unless one of those is defective in some way, then you are fine in those two categories.

        Like others have said, check your startup items – you may be able to disable something there.

        Another thing you should check – run MSCONFIG, and go to the Services tab. Check the box which says to hide all Microsoft services. You will then see only the non-Microsoft services. Services are programs which run in the background, and one or more of them may be slowing things down. Uncheck all of the services which appear to be unnecessary (e.g. Google updater, HP printer service), then restart the computer. See if things are now faster. If not, then go back into MSCONFIG and disable one service at a time, rebooting after each one, to see if that fixed your problem. If things speed up, then whatever you just disabled is the culprit.

        Once you find the culprit, reenable whatever wasn’t causing the computer to slow down. If you don’t find the culprit after disabling all non-Microsoft services, reenable all of the ones you disabled, then restart the computer.

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      • #2037771 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        becoming incompatible with Windows 10

        How so? Surely if you were able to put W10 on it in the first place it will continue to run?

        cheers, Paul

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        • #2037864 Reply
          Ascaris
          AskWoody_MVP

          How so? Surely if you were able to put W10 on it in the first place it will continue to run?

          Usually, but not always.  Windows 10 isn’t like other versions of Windows that were, more or less, a singular product.  Each feature release is, in many ways, like a new version of Windows, so the odds of a driver API or some other thing changing is greater than it would have been during the previous era of the Windows upgrade cycle.

          There was one case on record where PCs that had Windows 10 installed and working well stopped being Windows 10 compatible when the new build arrived.  So far, it’s the only example I’m aware of in Windows 10, but it happened another time, and it wasn’t a function of the “it’s a new version” nature of WaaS.

          In June 2018, over at ComputerWorld, Woody reported that Microsoft had decided to cut off support for older machines running Windows 7, specifically those whose processors did not support the SSE2 instruction set.  These were older machines (Pentium 3 era) that initially shipped with much older versions of Windows, but they’d successfully upgraded to 7, and that worked fine with 7 until Microsoft altered the deal.

          In the previously mentioned case with the Clover Trail machines, Microsoft eventually gave in to pressure and agreed to keep supporting the last version of 10 that would work on those machines until the end of the Windows 8.1 support period (which is what they would have had if they had kept the original OS).  Without that, it would have been the case that people who decided not to upgrade to Windows 10 would be receiving security updates longer than those who had.

          In the SSE2 incident, according to Woody’s article, it appears that MS just cut off those people who had presumably paid for licensed copies of Windows 7 for their older PCs and offered nothing beyond “upgrade your PC.”

          The new, kinder, gentler Microsoft, ladies and gentlemen.

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      • #2038101 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        Each feature release is, in many ways, like a new version of Windows, so the odds of a driver API or some other thing changing is greater than it would have been during the previous era of the Windows upgrade cycle.

        That’s what backup is for.

        cheers, Paul

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