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    • #109547 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      For those of you new to this game… Yesterday, Microsoft released April, 2017 Preview of Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008
      [See the full post at: No, you don’t want the Rollup Preview patches]

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    • #109549 Reply

      radosuaf
      AskWoody Lounger

      I’ll just note there’s no mention about fixing update block for those “accidentally” included CPUs…

      MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i5-6402P * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti D5 4G * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit + Windows 10 Mobile (Lumia 735)
    • #109551 Reply

      MrBrian
      AskWoody MVP

      I believe that the reason for the metadata change for the two .NET updates listed here for April 18, 2017 wasn’t due to a change in Microsoft’s update recommendation status. Instead, perhaps there were some users previously offered those two .NET updates who shouldn’t have been offered them, or perhaps there were some users who previously weren’t offered those two .NET updates who should have been offered them.

      • This reply was modified 2 months ago by  MrBrian.
      • #109591 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        So they’re not appearing as Recommended?

        • #109602 Reply

          MrBrian
          AskWoody MVP

          I installed it on April 13, so it must have been either Important or Recommended as of April 13. If it was Optional, I wouldn’t have installed it.

        • #109603 Reply

          PKCano
          AskWoody MVP

          On my machines the .NET for April was checked under “important” (that is the rollup, not the security only)

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          • #109629 Reply

            woody
            Da Boss

            So it appeared as Recommended prior to this week?

            • #109636 Reply

              PKCano
              AskWoody MVP

              I updated Win7 and Win8.1 last week on the 11-13th or 14th. The Security and Quality Rollup for .NET was checked in the important updates or it would not have been installed.

        • #109693 Reply

          GoneToPlaid
          AskWoody Lounger

          I just ran Windows Update just now (April 19) on two of my Windows 7 computers. The April, 2017 Preview of Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4015552) appeared as Optional and unchecked. Interestingly, my WU settings are configured to “Check for updates but to let me choose whether to download and install them.” WU showed that the last check for updates was earlier today on both computers, yet never raised the WU icon in both computer’s system trays. Thus, available optional yet unchecked windows updates do not raise the WU icon in the system tray.

          • This reply was modified 2 months ago by  GoneToPlaid.
    • #109570 Reply

      MrBrian
      AskWoody MVP

      Once again there are many more issues listed as being fixed in the Windows 8.1 preview monthly rollup than the Windows 7 preview monthly rollup.

      • #109631 Reply

        anonymous

        I can’t help but see an amusing (but terrifying) conspiracy here. Excuse me just a sec while I don my tinfoil hat.

        Hypothesis: by not patching known security issues in Windows 7, it follows that Windows 7 becomes more insecure. And after all, Microsoft has been saying that Windows 10 is the most secure version of Windows. Now it will be true from a certain point of view.

        Bah! Humbug.

        • #109646 Reply

          MrBrian
          AskWoody MVP

          The preview monthly rollups fix only non-security issues.

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      • #109637 Reply

        anonymous

        I’ve always wondered if the reason the Windows 7 rollups have less fixes is because it’s in extended support if Windows 8.1 is just all around buggier. I mean after the failure of Vista they probably wanted to make sure Windows 7 was as bug free as possible.

    • #109572 Reply

      MrBrian
      AskWoody MVP

      The Windows 8.1 preview monthly rollup lists this as being fixed:

      “Addressed issue where the printer cannot print OPENGL rastered graphics after installing any of the following updates: KB3164035, KB3205394, KB3207752, KB3212646 and KB4012215.”

      All of those updates are security-related.

    • #109582 Reply

      BobbyB
      AskWoody Lounger

      I am starting to wonder if they actually test anything at “Microsnooze HQ” any more. Dont want to join the “Insider program? No problem you can be an unwitting volunteer in the patch testing game. There has to be a sizeable chunk of folks out there that blithly or unkowingly install these preview patches and then wonder why all of a sudden the reliable machine is having a “meltdown” Just lately it seems the new “dei facto” testing regime still isnt getting it right when it comes to the official “patch Tuesday” as we are in the midst of another slew of bad patches again. The latest debacle with the Kaby lake thing is nothing short of scandalous. I was going to ay its fine if your ok with jumping though hoops to patch your machine, but its not at all. For the average user its a positive nightmare digging in to the depths of the OS where you shouldnt have to go.
      It isnt my “first Rodeo” with these infernal machines but it seems every new edition/incarnation you have to learn new stuff just to keep it going and I am certainly delving in to stuff that normally I wouldnt need to. Not so bad at work where at least its paid but at home? When all I really want to do is push the “on button” and go.
      On an amusing note maybe this is M$’s way of educating the masses to get round the H1-B visa problem that is currently plagueing the IT industry right now. You too can install a bad patch go through all the IT Hoops & solutions and come out a highly trained IT professional lol 😛

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      • #109610 Reply

        abbodi86
        AskWoody MVP

        Most often issues comes from Secruity updates, the one you all consider as “safe” to install

        Windows 7/8.1 have been recieving optional updates since the beginning
        some get included later in security updates or rollups, some get offered as important.. etc

        both security and non-security fixes have the same level of testing

        nothing changed in that procedure with the new Rollup model
        they just have the courtesy to give you non-security fixes ahead of mass deployment

        one mistake they do is the labeling they choosen for the new model
        “Preview” is vague word that make users think the update is beta, which is not, it’s production-ready.

        • #109615 Reply

          Noel Carboni
          AskWoody MVP

          it’s production-ready.

          By whose measure?

          Everyone knows there’s risk in any change (though to be honest, it IS actually possible to write perfect software in a digital system).

          The risk has to be weighed against the risk of making no change and running into whatever bug or vulnerability the patch fixes in a real world situation.

          Production-ready in my book would involve the patch being WELL DOCUMENTED.

          Does anyone here think they’re better documented now than at some time in the past? Microsoft already went so far as to create the system for disseminating the information. It’s just that now it’s getting filled in with “This change addresses issues in Windows”.

          For what it’s worth, on a test Win 8.1 system that got April’s updates a bit over a week ago, the only update available now is Optional and unchecked:

          ScreenGrab_W81EVM_2017_04_19_154012

          My favorite all-but-undocumented patch in the roll-up this time around:

          • Addressed issue to updated time zone information.

          -Noel

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          • #109620 Reply

            abbodi86
            AskWoody MVP

            By Microsoft’s

            since the rollup model started in September, non-security fixes in preview rollup are implemented as they are in security rollup

            • #109628 Reply

              woody
              Da Boss

              So there have been no changes in the non-security Preview, between the time it was released as Preview and the time it was released as part of a Monthly Rollup?

            • #109630 Reply

              abbodi86
              AskWoody MVP

              No
              the only expection i know is WUA that was changed from March preview to April security
              but that maybe due security-only update have the same version
              and i expect next month both will have new version too

               

            • #109649 Reply

              Noel Carboni
              AskWoody MVP

              By Microsoft’s

              Since when does what Microsoft says about their software matter? (I’ll answer my own question: It mattered last when engineers, not marketeers and lawyeers, did the saying.)

              It sure seems to me they’re calling them “preview” updates precisely so only people who still trust fully in mother Microsoft will install them, and others will wait, thereby causing the roll-out to be more gradual and mitigating any unforeseen problems the patches may cause.

              PRECISELY what a company who no longer tests as thoroughly would want to do.

              -Noel

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    • #109634 Reply

      gkarasik
      AskWoody Lounger

      Microsoft is cynical and irresponsible in releasing these “previews.” Given MS’s track record publishing flawed patches, no knowledgeable user would knowingly install these previews (even calling them “previews” is cynical) and be a voluntary MS beta tester. That leaves non-knowledgeable people who will unwittingly download and run these patches and as a result ruin their PCs. Meanwhile MS sits back and waits for the anguished cries of unsuspecting amateurs, then decides whether to adjust, pull, or leave these patches in the pipeline. This is behavior that crosses the line into indecency. Maybe the European Union will sue them.

      GaryK

      • This reply was modified 2 months ago by  gkarasik.
      • #109648 Reply

        Noel Carboni
        AskWoody MVP

        Heh heh. Microsoft might say, in return, that savvy users who allow them to install what they want ASAP get their “issues” (i.e., bugs) fixed first (without actually saying the word “bugs” or acknowledging that they could possibly be creating new ones).

        No one is going to sue Microsoft or do any damage to them in any way for fixing their problems that they built into software you bought so long ago. They’ll be given medals and accolades.

        FYI, I installed the preview update on a test Windows 8.1 VM then tested it for a little while. Lo and behold they didn’t break anything that I could find.

        -Noel

    • #109657 Reply

      gkarasik
      AskWoody Lounger

      Heh heh. Microsoft might say, in return, that savvy users who allow them to install what they want ASAP get their “issues” (i.e., bugs) fixed first (without actually saying the word “bugs” or acknowledging that they could possibly be creating new ones). No one is going to sue Microsoft or do any damage to them in any way for fixing their problems that they built into software you bought so long ago. They’ll be given medals and accolades. FYI, I installed the preview update on a test Windows 8.1 VM then tested it for a little while. Lo and behold they didn’t break anything that I could find. -Noel

      Well, I don’t actually believe anyone’s going to sue MS over this; that’s just wishful thinking. Still, to quote Fats Waller, “One never knows, do one?”

      Actually I’m grateful that you beta-test MS’s patches, but keep your fingers crossed: Problems, and new issues, don’t always show up right away.

      More significant, at least by my lights: The evident relief you feel at having dodged a bullet. We shouldn’t have to hold our collective breath after installing MS-published patches, hoping that they don’t trash our systems.

       

      GaryK

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    • #109695 Reply

      GoneToPlaid
      AskWoody Lounger

      The preview monthly rollups fix only non-security issues.

      Now that is an interesting piece of information to know! I can now see the dichotomy here in terms of how security updates could subsequently break these non-security fixes since Nadella fired the entire WU quality control team.

    • #109728 Reply

      anonymous

      I haven’t updated since like January or February, and i was wondering: With all the 0-day exploits and whatnot, are there any patches that I absolutely MUST get A.S.A.P?

      Or should I keep away from anything to do with Windows Updates, like the Defcon says, for the moment?

      I never open documents in emails from even slightly unknown sources, does that mean I am safe in that regard?

      Updating Windows being a hassle. Everytime! (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)

      • #109733 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        The DEFCON number refers to the current month’s patches. Read here for more information  on this. Previous months’ patches are safe to install. The WAIT TO INSTALL is for April updates.
        If you have Office (any version) on your computer, it is recommended that you install the patches for it. In addition, you will need a March patch for Windows.
        If you are in Group A (accepts Microsoft’s telemetry), you should install the “March 2017 Security Monthly Quality ROLLUP for Windows.” It is offered through Windows Update if you temporarily hide the April patch and then search for updates.
        If you are in Group B (security-only patches manually installed), you should install the March 2017 Security Only Quality UPDATE and the Cumulative Update for IE11. The Group B patches can be downloaded here

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        • #109738 Reply

          anonymous

          (I’m in Group B for now)

          So:

          1. Download and install all the 8.1 Security Updates (on the page you linked) that haven’t yet been installed, but stay away from the “Apr 2017 KB 4015547” patch.

          2. Install the “Mar 2017 (IE) KB 4012204” patch, but stay away from the “Apr 2017 (IE11) KB4014661” patch (or is the Apr 2017 IE11 patch the one you were referring to in your comment as the “Cumulative Update for IE11”?)

          Have I understood things correctly?

           

          • #109742 Reply

            PKCano
            AskWoody MVP

            You are correct – the March patches are OK.
            April Windows patches are still under DEFCON 1
            If you have Office, you will need the current patches, either through Win Update or download here

            • #109905 Reply

              anonymous

              Just updated, everything works fine so far 🙂

      • #109732 Reply

        anonymous

        #109728

        I’m on Win8.1 by the way.

    • #110978 Reply

      anonymous

      After installing this update on 2012R2, Internet Explorer 11 was severely broken. A significant number of UI elements ceased to function including the address bar, manage add-ons, file->open, and even help->about. I removed and reinstalled IE, reset settings, and wasted a chunk of time attempting to repair IE until I removed KB4015553 and then everything returned to normal.

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    • #117657 Reply

      MrToad28
      AskWoody Lounger

      May I assume the same ‘Don’t install optional rollup PREVIEW patches,’ applies to May and future preview patches?

      • #117661 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        You should not install “Preview” patches .

    • #118233 Reply

      anonymous

      If you’re concerned about Daylight Savings Time in Magallenas, Chile, you might consider installing KB 4015193. As you do so, contemplate why it’s so infernally difficult to change something that should be easy and transparent — like, say, the time on your phone.

      Thanks for the informative article.  It definitely gave me the info I was looking for.

      But to be fair to Microsoft, Magallenas recently changed to Daylight Saving Time indefinitely.  So unless you’re getting your time set externally by a time server or cell phone network (like your phone does), you’ll need the OS to be aware of that.  And hopefully someone on that end of things knows about the DST change (and umm… installs a patch), otherwise Magallenas is going to have a lot of people late (early?) for work come the old DST/ST switchover days.

       

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