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      • #2267463 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        Susan has spotted the new Feature Update notification at the bottom of the Windows Update pane on her main machine: I still haven’t seen it on any of
        [See the full post at: Open questions about the Win10 version 2004 upgrade]

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      • #2267464 Reply
        PKCano
        Da Boss

        I installed v2004 yesterday. I never saw that notice. My settings were: GUI Feature deferrals=365 Quality deferrals=o, GP WU=enabled value=2 (notify d/l install), no Pause.

        I installed v2004 on one of my Win10 Pro VMs yesterday. Results are here #2267366.

        I am in the process of looking through the Registry and comparing before/after, but I believe the settings associated with the GUI settings that were there in v1909 are GONE in v2004. Don’t know if putting them back will work. The Before settings are in AKB2000016 #2177791.
        Here’s what they look like now – the After settings:

        GUI-Settings-v2004

        GP-Settings-v2004

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        • #2267497 Reply
          KYKaren
          AskWoody Plus

          Here’s what they look like now – the After settings:

          Can you explain what each of those registry screens is saying?

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          • #2267498 Reply
            PKCano
            Da Boss

            Off-topic for this thread.
            Make the comparison I suggest.
            If you have further questions, create a topic for your individual help.

        • #2267597 Reply
          abbodi86
          AskWoody_MVP

          Setting any deferral settings kills the OptionalInstallation updates (the “Download and install now” thing”

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      • #2267469 Reply
        MWmC
        AskWoody Plus

        Good morning. I just checked my updates screen, noting that i’m still paused for updates through 14 June, but i do indeed have the same notification that Susan has seen on her machine — including the statement that my machine “isn’t quite ready” for the upgrade. My machine isn’t that old and has more than enough resources for Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, so i am left to speculate. Microsoft’s Windows “info” is once again useless. (I do not have the same experience with Azure, which is clearly built and maintained by a qualitatively different set of engineers.) I will follow your advice and hold off on this upgrade. Thank you!

      • #2267478 Reply
        barcud
        AskWoody Plus

        Susan,

        I’ve got the same notification. It has appeared in the last 2 hours, while I was out.

        I have not searched for updates, merely looked to see if I had any 2004 related messages.

      • #2267481 Reply
        Tex265
        AskWoody Plus

        Running Windows 10 Pro x64 Ver1909 current thru April.

        My settings are: Window Update Advanced settings Feature deferrals=365 days,  Quality deferrals=0 days, GP WU=enabled value=2 (notify d/l install), no Pause, wushowhide.

        I did “Nothing” but open the Settings Window to visually check to see if there were any Defender Definitions to Download. There were none, but that Windows 2004 update notification was now there.

        My Advanced setting are still there and appear to be functional.

        Windows 10 Pro x64 v1909 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
      • #2267482 Reply
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        May 29, 2020
        Noted here:
        https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/win10-version-2004-is-here-but-surprise/#post-2267144

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        • #2268462 Reply
          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          All drivers appear to be up-to-date. I have a couple of working monitors in the hardware graveyard and may try a swap to see if there is a “worthiness” change.

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          • #2269598 Reply
            geekdom
            AskWoody Plus

            I swapped one monitor for another with no change in the message. There must be something only Microsoft artificial intelligence can determine.

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      • #2267486 Reply
        KeeterJ
        AskWoody Plus

        I have now intentionally upgraded 3 Win10 Pro PC’s from 1909 to 2004.  Another PC where I asked to upgrade came up with Susan’s message.  It did not tell me why it refused to upgrade.  This was an AMD Ryzen X570 mobo but it uses Intel Thunderbolt, Intel Wi-Fi, and Intel Bluetooth.  If I had to guess, I’d say it was the Thunderbolt that was causing the upgrade refusal.

        I have come back every few hours for the last two days and tried to upgrade, but still get the same message.  Curiously, sometimes it shows the PC graphic along with the message and sometimes it just shows the message text but not the graphic.

        • #2267490 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          I’m going to suggest something off-the-wall. May not work, but then, who knows.
          Be sure there are no deferrals or Pause set. And no metered connections.
          Run through the procedure in AKB2000013 to clear the update queue (even there is nothing showing to clear).
          After the reboot (and time for the computer to finish booting), set the WU Service back to manual, but DO NOT start the Service.
          Go to Windows Update and click “check for updates.”

          Let me know if this does any good.

        • #2267542 Reply
          KeeterJ
          AskWoody Plus

          Even though Windows 1909 update would not download the 2004 version for me, I just went to the Win10 Upgrade Tool web page and ran an update from there. There were no prompts about any incompatibilities. It installed 2004 and rebooted without any problems.

          This is a new PC sitting on my test bench, so I don’t mind taking a chance that something isn’t working properly. I don’t seem to have any of the known 2004 problems listed by MS, but I do have Intel Thunderbird3 hardware and my test PC uses an old Nvidia GTX 240 card with really old drivers.

          Also, on another PC, I ran the Media Creator 2004 tool to download a 2004 ISO. I used that to update another 1909 PC without any trouble. That one was an AMD X399 ThreadRipper system with Intel Wi-Fi but it does not have Intel Thunderbird. No problems have been observed, yet.

          These are TEST PC’s — I’m not suggesting everyone upgrade using my methods.

      • #2267488 Reply
        bbearren
        AskWoody MVP

        It hasn’t been pushed to my NAS yet, but my Update & Security screen looks normal.  My NAS has the same motherboard/CPU combo as my desktop (which I updated using the MCT-USB), so I’m sure it’s update-ready, it just hasn’t hit the queue for the update release yet.

        I’ll just wait, which is my usual procedure for my NAS and laptop.  My laptop already got the push and has the update installed.

        Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
        "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns
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      • #2267499 Reply
        creem
        AskWoody Lounger

        Last Monday the 25th I delayed my updates for over a month.

        This is what I woke up to this morning…

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        • #2267516 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          Good. So that means the notification appears even if you have updates paused.

          I don’t have updates paused on either of my main 1909 machines, and I’m still not seeing the notification.

          Wuh?

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          • #2267556 Reply
            creem
            AskWoody Lounger

            I remember back in the late ’90s I had a Microsoft program that I was going to install via disc. I went through a few set up screens before coming to the ‘are you ready to install Yes or No’ screen. I reconsidered and said No. A few weeks later I discovered a hidden directory containing all of the program files, already pre-loaded, even though I had said No and cancelled the installation. The assumption being that I would automatically say Yes and everything would be ready to go.

            And although I doubt that Microsoft still does that today to any great degree, what with all those full disclosure progress bars and all, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the necessary files will still be stealth downloaded in the background, you know, for my convenience.

            Finally, some Vegas touts are saying five’ll get you ten that when my machine is ‘ready’ to go (whatever that means, considering that I have almost every Windows 10 program, er, application shut off except for browser; email; and Word, basically making it a stripped-down XP machine) that it will offered to me before my download pause expires on June 29th.

            Then again, as my parole office used to tell me: Never bet against the house. A lot she knew.

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          • #2267596 Reply
            abbodi86
            AskWoody_MVP

            I believe the one responsible for the notification is the “UNP Campaign Manager”, which is controlled by this schedule task

            Microsoft\Windows\UNP\RunUpdateNotificationMgr

            WaaSMedic service and WaaS Assessment (triggered by UpdateOrchestrator) also have effect

            if any of them are disabled or not working somehow, you won’t be assessed

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      • #2267505 Reply
        KYKaren
        AskWoody Plus

        Running Windows 10 Pro x64 Ver1909 current thru April on two DELL laptops.

        My settings are: GUI Feature deferrals=365 Quality deferrals=0, GP WU=enabled value=2 (notify d/l install), no Pause, wushowhide

        No WU notice yet about v2004. This is the only notice that I have at the moment: WU-screen-05-31-2020

        After installation of Defender, this is the WU screen:WU-update-screen-05-31-2020-after-Defender-installation

        After Defender installation, this is the WU History: WU-update-history-after-Defender-installation

        After Defender installation, this is wushowhide > hide updates (apparently, it’s a bit slow on the uptake, since .330 has already been installed):wushowhide-after-Defender-installation

        I understand this is a phased roll-out.  Maybe, I will be in a later phase.  (not that I want to install v2004 – just wondering if the machines are compatible).

        Looks like having Feature Update deferrals set to non-zero may be part of the equation,

        So, you have your Feature Update deferral set to 0??

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        • #2267513 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          V2004  is a Feature Update. It has been out 4 days.
          If you are deferring Feature Updates for 365 days, you will not be offered v2004.

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          • #2267529 Reply
            KYKaren
            AskWoody Plus

            I must be missing something here. I thought the gist of some of these posts was that the availability of v2004 was ignoring the 1909 Feature Update setting. Susan at #2267268 says she had her FU deferral set to 180 days. Jayinalaska at #2267390 says he had his FU deferral set for 90 days. Tex265 at #2267178 says he had his set for 365 days. In each of these instances, they got the v2004 announcement.

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            • #2267537 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              You might get the notice, but v2004 won’t be offered in WU.

              • #2267540 Reply
                KYKaren
                AskWoody Plus

                As I said in my original post at #2267505

                (not that I want to install v2004 – just wondering if the machines are compatible).

                which is what the v2004 announcement will say, if they are not.

                So, if I don’t get the announcement, does that mean that the laptops ARE compatibile with v2004??
                I realize that I won’t get the offer to download, due to the fact that GP = 2 notify dl/install and the FU is set to 365 days, but my question is about the incompatibility announcement.

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            • #2267544 Reply
              Tex265
              AskWoody Plus

              I must be missing something here. I thought the gist of some of these posts was that the availability of v2004 was ignoring the 1909 Feature Update setting.

              I don’t think at this point the concern is Windows ignoring the Feature Update deferral setting, but why we are receiving a Windows 2004 notice at all.

              In the past, with the Feature Update deferral set to other than 0 days, the user would not receive anything regarding an upcoming Feature Update – not even the newer but separate download and install link.

              I think Woody was wondering if some of us were receiving this new 2004 notification (and not the separate download and install link) “because” we had Feature Update deferral set to more than zero (0) days (eg: Windows 2004 won’t provide the download and install link, but will provide a notification flag).

              Now why it is telling us we are not 2004 Worthy is still to be answered. @Alex5723  is pointing to the problem areas that 2004 are/will be presenting, but I don’t have any of those potential problem areas on my system and I’m still not Worthy!

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              • #2267550 Reply
                KYKaren
                AskWoody Plus

                I don’t think at this point the concern is Windows ignoring the Feature Update deferral setting,

                Well, THAT is precisely one of MY concerns. I had assumed that the Feature Deferral would work in v2004 in the same way it seems to be working in v1909.

                Apparently, it is not.

                And the other concern is that if you don’t ever get the incompatibility announcement, what with the 1909 FU deferral set > 0, does that mean your machine is compatibile (let’s say you reduce the 1909 FU deferral to 0)? In other words, this announcement lets you know whether or not your laptop is compatible (if it is not, you get the announcement and if is, you don’t get the announcement, if you have FU > 0). And this is independent of whether you have a GP setting or not.

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              • #2267558 Reply
                woody
                Da Boss

                It’d be great if that were the case – seeing or not seeing the announcement would tell you something about the readiness of your machine.

                Alas, I don’t think it works that way.

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              • #2267560 Reply
                Tex265
                AskWoody Plus

                Apparently, it is not.

                Again, whether Windows 2004 will change the way Feature Update deferral works is yet to be determined.

                For now why are we, with v1909 and Feature Update deferral set at >0 receiving ANY type notice of Windows 2004?

                And the other concern is that if you don’t ever get the incompatibility announcement, what with the 1909 FU deferral set > 0, does that mean your machine is compatibile

                Don’t thinks this has been determined by anyone here yet.

                Lets ask if anyone who has their Feature Update deferral set to 0 days – do you receive what has been the standard notice that Windows 2004 is available with the separate Download and install link?

                Windows 10 Pro x64 v1909 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
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              • #2267562 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                I set my Feature deferral to 2 in 1909 and got the Feature Update v2004 (via “check for updates”) through the Windows Update queue.

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              • #2267564 Reply
                Tex265
                AskWoody Plus

                So you clicked the “Check for Updates” button which downloaded and installed v2004?

                Or, did you received the standard notification that v2004 was available with the Download and install link block?

                Any idea what would have happened if you didnt click the “Check for Updates” button and just let the Windows Updater do its normal automatic update check cycle?

                Windows 10 Pro x64 v1909 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
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              • #2267565 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                I never saw the notice.
                I set Feature deferrals to 2 days
                2004 showed up in wushowhide as available.
                I checked for updates
                Clicking “check for updates” starts the download/install process.
                If I had waited for WU to check on it’s own, I would have gotten the “Download” button first.

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              • #2267580 Reply
                Tex265
                AskWoody Plus

                Then this sounds like the New Feature Download and install screen introduced in 1903 and 1909 is no longer functioning as it was wherein it gave the user a separate Feature Update screen with the separate Download and install link at your time and convenience.

                Windows 10 Pro x64 v1909 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
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              • #2267581 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                You don’t get that screen it you use deferrals.

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              • #2267588 Reply
                KYKaren
                AskWoody Plus

                Let’s say that
                1. you lower the FU deferral setting to 0
                2. you check wushowhide and you find it in the queue.
                3. You wait for WU to do its thing according to its own schedule (i.e., you do not click on “Check for Updates”)
                4. You eventually get the “Download” button. Then, if you have changed your mind about downloading it, do you have two choices?
                a. You can let it sit there on the WU display until you decide to click on the “Download” button?
                or
                b. You can use wushowhide to hide it and then unhide it when you are ready to install?

                I am asking because in the back of my mind I had thought that Feature Updates were not open to control via wushowhide.

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              • #2267590 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                Increase the deferral button, it should go away the next time the computer checks.
                But you can reboot and run wushowhide just to be sure.

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              • #2267598 Reply
                abbodi86
                AskWoody_MVP

                @KYKaren

                you can try this to mimic WU self-search without initiating the downloading

                reboot computer first
                https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/chasing-the-elusive-upgrade-for-win10-pro-v1803/#post-2016748

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              • #2268411 Reply
                Tex265
                AskWoody Plus

                You don’t get that screen it you use deferrals

                That is how it has been working.  With my FU deferral at 365 days I have never seen that separate Download and install screen link.

                So we are back to the original question here – Why are we/am I seeing this new Windows 2004 notification screen with a FU deferral at 365 days?

                A Feature Upgrade should not be bothering with me at all with that setting indicating no interest in receiving for a long time.

                Windows 10 Pro x64 v1909 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
      • #2267511 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        It seems that any of the 2004 known issues (Realtek BT, Conexant ISST audio drivers, TB3 docks, aksfridge.sys or aksdf.sys, old Nvidia drivers, Kernel DMA Protection enabled, Windows Hypervisor Platform disabled, Always Connected…) on a PC will block the upgrade.

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        • #2267517 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          That’s to be expected.

        • #2267563 Reply
          Tex265
          AskWoody Plus

          but I don’t have any of those potential problem areas on my system and I’m still not Worthy!

          Windows 10 Pro x64 v1909 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
      • #2267522 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Good. So that means the notification appears even if you have updates paused.

        I don’t have updates paused on either of my main 1909 machines, and I’m still not seeing the notification.

        Wuh?

        It takes some time to scan 1 Billion Windows 10 PCs for compatibility 🙂

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      • #2267530 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Just got the incompatibility screen.
        Feature update deferrals = 365. Quality Updates deferrals = 21.
        Notify don’t download/install = 2.

        Lenovo Legion Y530. Windows 10 1909 April patches.

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        • #2267604 Reply
          DriftyDonN
          AskWoody Plus

          When win10 was first offered, my Lenovo E545 Thinkpad would NOT complete install . Didn’t say why either! Tried several times. That gave me the heads up that wind0ws10 and Lenovo were going to have a long arduous and contentious relationship!

          Win7 Pro was installed and current.

          Ah the good ole days!!

          "Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare."

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      • #2267545 Reply
        GCG1000
        AskWoody Plus

        Susan has spotted the new Feature Update notification at the bottom of the Windows Update pane on her main machine: I still haven’t seen it on any of
        [See the full post at: Open questions about the Win10 version 2004 upgrade]

        It will be interesting to see what’s in Windows’ “bag of updates” for this coming Tuesday( June 2nd.) and on June 9th. I have a feeling that AMD-based PC’s and Lenovo are pretty far down on their 2004 rollout list…  Glad to see I’m not alone on this issue.  Thanks Susan.

        Cheers.

         

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      • #2267547 Reply
        MikeMc
        AskWoody Lounger

        All but one of my machines started a ‘getting ready to install…’, got to 90% and then errored out – perhaps because I have domain group policy to prevent Feature Updates. Didn’t click on anything, the process just started when I went to the ‘Windows Update’ settings page.

        I have all of my computer upgraded now by using an ISO. Two only upgraded successfully by NOT seeking updates before the upgrade (both hp workstations black screened on reboot). One HAD to have the update done as part of the upgrade as it had a boot error and rolled back on the first try. So, if one way doesn’t work, try the other.

        All is fine except for the Trim and DISM issues. I always run a chkdsk /f on C drive after an upgrade as it will cleanup 1,700 to 2,000 ‘marked as used’ entries.

      • #2267555 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        I have a feeling that AMD-based PC’s and Lenovo are pretty far down on their 2004 rollout list…

        This has nothing to do with rollout list. It has to do with some hardware/drivers… 2004 compatibility. My Intel Lenovo Y530 has Realtek Bluetooth adapter and I use BT dongle for my Logitech mouse.

      • #2267557 Reply
        GCG1000
        AskWoody Plus

        I have a feeling that AMD-based PC’s and Lenovo are pretty far down on their 2004 rollout list…

        This has nothing to do with rollout list. It has to do with some hardware/drivers… 2004 compatibility. My Intel Lenovo Y530 has Realtek Bluetooth adapter and I use BT dongle for my Logitech mouse.

        OK, thanks for your input.

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      • #2267559 Reply
        Emkay1001
        AskWoody Plus

        On 4 machines with Windows 10 Pro 1909 with the following settings:
        Feature deferrals=0, Quality deferrals=8 in GUI the below had occurred:

        On a Dell Inspiron 5477 – Windows 10 2004 had installed automatically. The following issue happened after an update: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000056299/memory-and-storage.html

        On a Lenovo Thinkpad T560 – the “incompatibility” message had appeared in Windows Update (most likely due to “GameInput Redistributable” being installed; after uninstalling and running Windows Update Assistant – the update went through)

        On an old Sony Vaio laptop (Intel Core i3 + AMD Radeon) – it installed automatically.

        On an old HP Laptop with Intel Core + NVIDIA GeForce – the “incompatibility” message had appeared in Windows Update (most likely due to old GeForce drivers)

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      • #2267561 Reply
        GCG1000
        AskWoody Plus

        BTW, a few days ago (as an experiment), I upgraded to 2004 using the Upgrade Assistant.  The install was smooth and everything worked, with the exception of Sleep/Wake function in 2004.  It turned out that the only way to fully wake-up Windows was a Restart, which is unacceptable.  I restored 1909 and have had no problems since.  After restoring 1909 my PC was updated with the latest AMD graphic drivers, so I’m temped to try my “experiment” again.  Your thoughts would be appreciated.

        My PC’s profile appears below.

        SIV64X – System Information Viewer V5.48 DESKTOP-4L8GH8L::gcgri

        Windows 10 x64 Home V10.00 Build 18363 19H2 Lenovo F0EM0003US DESKTOP-4L8GH8L::gcgri English (0409) United States (1) Eastern Daylight Time Base Priority 8 (Single User) BIOS O4AKT25A 07/12/2019 CPU µCode 2018-08-13 (08108102) AGESA Combo-AM4 1.0.0.2
        Workgroup WORKGROUP 00 08:46:53 2020-05-31 16:07:26 [2.66GHz Dual DDR4 RAM] PCIe FSB:DRAM 3:40

        Resource Usage 50% [1] 42% Current Maximum DDR4 RAM CAS Latency (tCL) 20
        System Physical Memory 4.22GB 438.66MB 8.00GB RAS to CAS Delay (tRCD) 19
        System Paging File 4.52GB 4.35GB 8.87GB RAS Precharge (tRP) 19
        System File Cache 3.48GB 303.65MB 3.78GB Cycle Time (tRAS) 43
        System Power Usage 14.56 W 5.99 W 33.16 W Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC)467 1T

        Cores 4 Chips 1 Disks 37°C DIMMs 4GB 4GB

        Sensor ITE IT8712 MB 35°C 39°C I/O +3.35 SIO +1.89 +4.49 VBAT +2.24

        Processor FSB 7.2% CPU Utilisation Volts Temp Power APIC Socket AM4 PGA-1331 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE Radeon Vega (Picasso) [PCO-B1]
        CPU-0 2.82GHz x28.25 99.8MHz U 2% K 2% D 1% I 1% 1.11 38°C 0.104 0.0.0 Technology 12nm x64 Family 23 Model 24 (18) Stepping 1 Revision 08108102 Brand 2
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      • #2267570 Reply
        firstmerk
        AskWoody Plus

        I just did a clean install (MBR) using 2004 Prox64 from a Media Creator download. Install went fine, Device Manager shows no problems, activated OK. It seems to run OK but I’ve not installed much or used it extensively.
        What I did notice is in Windows Update I now only have [Pause Updates], kind of like Home version.
        [Choose when updates are installed] is gone.  Is this the new normal….again?
        Is there anyway to get it back?
        I do know about [gpedit]. That’s kind of a techie headache for me. I can use it if I have the options cheat sheet right in front of me.  [Choose updates…..] is simple and seems to work OK.

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        • #2267572 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          The GUI setting pulldowns for deferrals are gone, not just in the GUI, but the Registry settings for it as well.
          Looks like the only way to have deferrals now (in Pro only) is the settings in Group Policy under Windows Update for Business. Otherwise, it would seem Pro is stuck with just Pause outside of Group Policy.

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          • #2267584 Reply
            KYKaren
            AskWoody Plus

            Can anyone who has Windows 10/Pro use the Group Policy under Windows Update for Business?

            Offline: Win7Pro ∙ SP1 ∙ x64
            Online: Win10Pro ∙ 1909.18363 ∙ x64 ∙ i7-6500U ∙ RAM 12GB ∙ SSD ∙ Firefox ∙ McAfee Internet Security ∙ Windows Defender
            Online: Win10Pro ∙ 1909.18363 ∙ x64 ∙ i7-8565U ∙ RAM 16GB ∙ SSD ∙ Firefox ∙ McAfee Internet Security ∙ Windows Defender

          • #2267594 Reply
            KYKaren
            AskWoody Plus

            The GUI setting pulldowns for deferrals are gone, not just in the GUI, but the Registry settings for it as well.

            What about using wushowhide in v2004 to hide the 2004, Fall Feature Update, when it becomes available and is in the WU update queue. And then unhide it when you are ready to install it?

            I know that v2004, Fall Feature Update probably will not be available until November, 2020 (if MS follows the same pattern as the 2019 Feature Update calendar), but I am wondering if wushowhide can be used, now that the deferrals are gone. As a matter of fact, I am using wushowhide that way now for Quality Updates, since my QU deferral is 0.

            Offline: Win7Pro ∙ SP1 ∙ x64
            Online: Win10Pro ∙ 1909.18363 ∙ x64 ∙ i7-6500U ∙ RAM 12GB ∙ SSD ∙ Firefox ∙ McAfee Internet Security ∙ Windows Defender
            Online: Win10Pro ∙ 1909.18363 ∙ x64 ∙ i7-8565U ∙ RAM 16GB ∙ SSD ∙ Firefox ∙ McAfee Internet Security ∙ Windows Defender

          • #2268414 Reply
            Tex265
            AskWoody Plus

            Sounds like an exact re-occurance of what happened when 1909 arrived.

            Is it intentional or by accidental omission?

            Windows 10 Pro x64 v1909 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
      • #2267589 Reply
        Cameochi
        AskWoody Plus

        Re Windows update to 2004, the Microsoft Update Catalog still shows it as pre-release for the Insider Fast Ring.

      • #2267591 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        What concerns me the most are the very infrequent mentions of 2004 being installed without a click on the “Download and install” link.

        Woody, I just had this happen on a Windows 10 1909 Pro machine (latest patches installed). Probably due to some sort of bug in Windows update.

        Initially I had all deferrals set to 0 days. No matter how many times I checked for updates the feature update was showing as unavailable. No domain, the only local group policy I had set was to not wake my machine to install updates.

        I kept hearing “phased rollout,” so I was patient. But this seemed unlikely to last until today. So as an experiment, I changed my feature update deferral setting from 0 to 1, and clicked check for updates. And bingo, Windows Update found 2004 and started installing it without the “download and install” prompt.

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      • #2267595 Reply
        DriftyDonN
        AskWoody Plus

        As most or at least MANY of us(Woody?) have not installed the May patch Tuesday release,and the Jun release is on the horizon,  isn’t this thread way out ahead of itself ? Just skip over May with it’s issues and  skip June without even a look? Or is June already in the dumper as far as msft is concerned? Woody ALMOST addressed May issues, but we are still at defcon2.

        "Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare."

      • #2267610 Reply
        DriftyDonN
        AskWoody Plus

        So it seems upgrading from Home to Pro would be spitting into the wind? This lapptop (acer) is pro but I have another I was considering upgrading to pro. But if it’s just going to have the ability to delay w/ pause……and not group edit….hmmm… am not at all familiar w/ windows business setting or if it’s even pertinent to me.

        Moderator note: Edited for content.

        "Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare."

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      • #2268209 Reply
        Sueska
        AskWoody Plus

        Had some oddities in getting my Windows 10 1909 updated somewhat similar to what poster #2267591 mentioned. I however, had group policy (GP) set to option 2 for Windows Updates and GP Windows Update for Business set to zero days for both feature and quality updates.  Was a bit behind in updating, since I had not used the PC for a few months. Was offered May’s .NET and MSRT, the 2004 feature update, but not the May 2020 cumulative update. Had my iso ready to upgrade to 2004, but wanted to fully update before installing the feature update. I tried numerous times checking for updates/rebooting trying to get May 2020 cumulative update. I saw a message in Windows Updates that my system was not up to date (which was correct). Changed the settings in GP Windows Update for Business from enabled \zero days for both feature and quality updates to disabled for both. After rebooting and checking again for updates, the May 2020 cumulative update appeared.

        My questions. Am I correct to make sure 1909 is updated fully prior to installing the feature update for 2004? Why would I be offered the feature update and not the most current cumulative quality update even though GP business windows update was set to zero days for both quality and feature updates?

      • #2268212 Reply
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Is it possible that Windows 2004 is on a timer where the message is shown until Microsoft determines it’s time for you to receive this update? In other words,  is it possible there’s not a problem with your computer, but Microsoft is just staggering releases?

        notice

        G{ot backup} TestBeta
        offline▸ Win7Pro SP1 x64 Storage
        online▸ Win10Pro 1909.18363.900 x64 i5-9400 RAM8GB HDD Firefox79.0b6 Windows{Image/Defender/Firewall}
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      • #2268217 Reply
        Kathy Stevens
        AskWoody Plus

        Just checked my PC and sure enough the feature update notice was there.

        “Feature update to Windows 10, version 2004.  The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is on its way. We’re offering this update to compatible devices, but your device isn’t quite ready for it. Once your device is ready, you’ll see the update available on this page. There’s nothing you need to do at this time.”

        Computer – HP ENVY desktop – 795 – 005:

        • Microprocessor Intel Core i7 – 8700 @3.20 GHz;
        • System memory 16 GB;
        • Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060; and
        • Audio Andrea PureAudio USB.

        All hardware drivers are current as per HP, Nvidia, and Intel.

        Microsoft operating system:

        • Windows 10 Pro 64 – bit; Version 1903;
        • OS build 18362.778; and
        • Last Quality Updates May 7, 2020.

        Windows Update Advanced options:

        • Receive updates for other Microsoft products when you update Windows – off;
        • Download updates over metered connection – off;
        • Restart this device as soon as possible when a restart is required to install an update – off
        • Show a notification when your PC requires a restart to finish updating – on
        • Pause updates;
          • Feature updates deferred 365 days;
          • Quality updates deferred for 30 days.
      • #2268232 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Is it possible that Windows 2004 is on a timer where the message is shown until Microsoft determines it’s time for you to receive this update?

        Doesn’t seem so. It is clear that there are compatibility issues with many PCs.

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      • #2268236 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Can anyone who has Windows 10/Pro use the Group Policy under Windows Update for Business?

        Yes.

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      • #2268376 Reply
        Sueska
        AskWoody Plus

        What about using wushowhide in v2004 to hide the 2004, Fall Feature Update, when it becomes available and is in the WU update queue

        Yes, that should work using group policy windows updates set to option 2 (notify d/l install) with Win 10 Pro. The 2004 feature update was in my update queue and I hid it to only install the other updates. I experienced some oddities (mentioned in post 2268209). Sometimes oddities occur, but the GP setting of Windows Updates Option 2 (notify d/l install) has never failed me.

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      • #2268385 Reply
        Win7and10
        AskWoody Lounger

        To further clarify my question:

        Good Day,

        From what has been posted here, you do NOT have to download the new version if the notice appears when the computer checks on it’s own for updates.

        I have deferred the updates until 6/15/20 for May as we were waiting for the all clear from Woody.

        Today we have all clear Defcon 4.

        If I check for May updates, will the Win10 v2004 be optional to install or can I defer it.

        I have W10 1909 Home.

        Thanks!

        Win 7 Home Premium x 64 SP1 (DELL INSPIRION i5) Still Alive!
        Win 10 Home 1909 (HP ENVY i7)

        • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Win7and10.
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        • #2268388 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          All you have to do is end Pause and you will get the May Patch Tuesday updates.
          DO NOT click on “check for updates.”
          You will not get v2004.

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          • #2268468 Reply
            Win7and10
            AskWoody Lounger

            Thanks PKCano,

            How do I safely end pause?
            Is it resume updates but not check for updates?

            Win 7 Home Premium x 64 SP1 (DELL INSPIRION i5) Still Alive!
            Win 10 Home 1909 (HP ENVY i7)

            • This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Win7and10.
            • #2268474 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Resume updates.
              NOT “check for updates”

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      • #2268443 Reply
        GCG1000
        AskWoody Plus

        Win7and10- Thanks for your response. I’ll defer installing 2004 until it appears in WU.

        Cheers.
        GCG1000

      • #2268456 Reply
        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        This morning when I saw Defcon 4, I started updating with 2 of my Desktops and all went well. There was no 2004 warning/message on either Desktop (and there still isn’t).

        Then I fired up my HP ProBook 450 G2 laptop (settings are all the same on all computers, FU=365 days). Only the HP laptop has the 2004 message in WU. Makes me wonder if it is an OEM thing?

        2004-message

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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        • #2268460 Reply
          CADesertRat
          AskWoody Plus

          Forgot to mention that all Desktops are home built.

          Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
          4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

      • #2268467 Reply
        cyberSAR
        AskWoody Plus

        Received it across a myriad of systems this weekend. Mostly Dells with feature updates 365 and quality updates 15-24 days. For the heck of it, I upgraded my workstation,with the notice, by iso this am. Everything working fine except the stupid issue with the network icon saying no internet, when I am in fact connected, and of course, the missing deferral settings in updates.

      • #2268472 Reply
        GCG1000
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks for your update.

      • #2268477 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Hi

        1. Windows 10 Home v1909 64Bit (OS Build 18363.836) laptop.
        2. System Up-to-date with Patch May 2020 CU KB 4556799 & Intel Microcode Update KB 4497165 back in mid-May 2020 or so.
        3. Pause was set until 27Jun2020 then.
        4. Hit resume from Windows Update today just to find out whether the Win 10 May 2020 Upgrade is available. Internet connection set as “metered”.
        5. Windows Update starts its run and then presented : (a) You’re up to date . Last checked : today , time . “Check for updates” button below it and (b) Feature Update to Windows, version 2004. The next version of Windows is available with new features and security improvements. When you are ready for the update , select “Download and install’. The “Download and install” button is just below that. No auto upgrade was performed by Windows Update.
      • #2268775 Reply
        E Pericoloso Sporgersi
        AskWoody Plus

        My May update on 13 May went fine on my vanilla hardware system.

        But today someone put sugar in my pea soup and salt in my vanilla. I got the same somewhat insulting message that annoyed Susan.

        Oh well, let’s hope patience will suffice to appease Saint Byte.

      • #2268830 Reply
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        woody & Susan

        check out this recent article from Softpedia news – “Why the Windows 10 May 2020 Update Not Available On Day One Is Actually a Good Thing”
        https://news.softpedia.com/news/why-windows-10-may-2020-update-not-available-on-day-one-is-actually-a-good-thing-530150.shtml

        good explanation in the article by Bogdan Popa

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      • #2268922 Reply
        Kathy Stevens
        AskWoody Plus

        Just sitting here killing some time so I went to Windows 10 update and clicked on “Learn more” under the “Feature update to Windows 10, version 2004”.

        The link  https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-information/status-windows-10-2004  took me to the Windows 10, version 2004 and Windows Server, version 2004 webpage that contains an extensive list of known issues associated with the update as well as two articles – “What is new for IT pros” and “Wondering how to deploy feature updates remotely?”.

        It is an interesting read.

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      • #2269000 Reply
        Win7and10
        AskWoody Lounger

        Well, I have the update on my computer for Windows 10 2004, and says download and install in the feature update.

        Is there anyway to ignore this or defer this?

        I will not be downloading and installing right now.

        Win 7 Home Premium x 64 SP1 (DELL INSPIRION i5) Still Alive!
        Win 10 Home 1909 (HP ENVY i7)

        • #2269242 Reply
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          We do not recommend updating to 2004 yet, especially if your PC is running happily at present.

          cheers, Paul

      • #2269007 Reply
        Win7and10
        AskWoody Lounger

        Addendum: I resumed updates for the May Updates Win 10 Home and all went well so far.

        After they installed I paused updates again into to July to avoid the June updates.

        When I did this, the feature update for Win 10 2004 also paused.

        Win 7 Home Premium x 64 SP1 (DELL INSPIRION i5) Still Alive!
        Win 10 Home 1909 (HP ENVY i7)

      • #2269835 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I have not seen the 2004 upgrade being offered on any of the laptops in my household yet.

        I will note, however, that I’ve seen the upgrade being offered on a Windows 10 Pro v1909 virtual machine running in VirtualBox on my MacBook Pro. Obviously I have not installed it (I need that virtual machine for work), but it’s something I’ve noticed. I have not been pushed into installing it.

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