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      • #2288283 Reply
        doriel
        AskWoody Lounger

        Hello, today I found interesting issue. Did someone saw this before?

        Some applications freeze (Office2010, Synology Station Client, Chrome ..) and in Windows logs, there is event: “Service Windows Error reporting ended: Pagefile too small”
        But when I check this, pagefile has 22 GB. Never saw that much..

        I know that error reporting service is not the cause of issues. But why is his pagefile so big? Could be the size cause of computer freezing?

        PC =
        Dell Optiplex 7070 SFF
        8 GB DDR4
        M.2 256 GB PCIe SSD
        Win 10 1809 Ent

        Dell Latitude E6530, Intel Core i5 @ 2.6 GHz, 4GB RAM, W10 1809 Enterprise

        HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

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      • #2288285 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        Page files are generally 1 to 1.5 times the size of RAM maximum. How you managed to get a 22GB file on an 8GB machine I don’t know.

        Set the page file to zero and reboot, then set it to “system managed” and reboot.
        What size is now?

        cheers, Paul

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        • #2288293 Reply
          doriel
          AskWoody Lounger

          User is productive in these hours, cant get on his computer right at this moment, screenshot is from the past. I will try your suggestion and I will put result in here.
          I would never set it this big, I leave this descision on OS, I found it by accident when investigating why his applications freezing.

          Dell Latitude E6530, Intel Core i5 @ 2.6 GHz, 4GB RAM, W10 1809 Enterprise

          HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

      • #2288291 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        pagefile has 22 GB

        I think the message should have been ‘page file too big’.

        On my laptop with 16GB of RAM page file is 2.5GB !

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      • #2288296 Reply
        satrow
        AskWoody MVP

        Office applications mostly copy to page file as soon as they are loaded and the cursor is moved, MS loves using your drive space; similar with the new space hog Chrome (and that can hog space even after you think you’ve closed it). Same for little Notepad and a number of other 3rd party software.

        MS expects you to reboot every 2.4 hours, Chrome’s trying to reduce that limit to 0.2. Gross inefficiency is somehow regarded as ‘better’ than high efficiency.

        Here’s a screenshot from a few minutes ago of this W7 machine after 55 days uptime, only 3x1GB allowed for page file (1GB per SSD). I’ve seen the Windows slide-up warning about ‘too much memory’ this session, thus the maxima in PageFileMonitor.

        PageFileUsage_55

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        • #2288299 Reply
          doriel
          AskWoody Lounger

          I suspect Synology Surveillence Station Client, that is eating most from pagefile, but that is just my wild guess. That PC displays security cameras, where user has approx 20 cameras displayed in application. Video codec is H.264, so maybe data flow is high on this machine and Windows compensates this by adding more and more to pagefile size.

          MS expects you to reboot every 2.4 hours.

          This computer is on 24/7 and users do reboot rarely. Every other day I would say.

          Update:
          Ooops. Our company recold-holder users 🙂
          And the award goes to… Blue line is affected computer

          record

          Dell Latitude E6530, Intel Core i5 @ 2.6 GHz, 4GB RAM, W10 1809 Enterprise

          HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

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      • #2288314 Reply
        satrow
        AskWoody MVP

        The machine only has 8GB of RAM and a single drive? Maybe running Synology and using it as a general purpose/MS Office is simply too much for it without frequent browser restarts.

        Needs someone checking the various Resource Managers throughout a typical day to check it isn’t being swamped; one machine trying to do the work of two.

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        • #2288332 Reply
          doriel
          AskWoody Lounger

          Security system has its own Synology NAS storage and dvrserver. User is just viewing, if some truck is comming inside or outside. Records are being stored on Synology NAS server.
          Also user is working in SAP to print papers for trucks, then he checks his email inbox..
          Apart of cameras, I think it is sufficient machine. Maybe my explanation was vague.

          Still waiting to try:

          Set the page file to zero and reboot, then set it to “system managed” and reboot.
          What size is now?

          Dell Latitude E6530, Intel Core i5 @ 2.6 GHz, 4GB RAM, W10 1809 Enterprise

          HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

      • #2288339 Reply
        bbearren
        AskWoody MVP

        I’ve always setup a dedicated partition of 6GB formatted FAT32 for the page file since Win 2K.  The page file has a fixed sized of 4GB, but its actual size fluctuates, usually less but never more.  It’s currently 3,048MB.

        On my dual-boot machines I use the same dedicated partition for both sides.  I’ve never had any issues with, or caused by, the page file.

        Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
        "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns
        "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

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        • #2288353 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          Had a dedicated 2nd hdd and the primary partition was circa 5Gb and the secondary logical partition was used for personal data on NT4WS, w2k and XP

          Also used sysinternals pagefiledefrag occasionally to tidy the pagefile up. The speed benefits showed compared to standard single drive setups.

      • #2288345 Reply
        Cybertooth
        AskWoody Plus

        MS expects you to reboot every 2.4 hours

        Whoa, say what?? Inquiring minds want to know.

        • #2288352 Reply
          satrow
          AskWoody MVP

          Need to lern sum inglish ‘cos that you ain’t aimed at you – obviously.

          PS memes and smilies didn’t replace all forms of humour/humor.

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        • #2288452 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          MS expects you to reboot every 2.4 hours

          Although satrow was joking, I actually think his math holds up.

          Start with the classic “reboot daily” Windows advice from years ago, and then update that guidance to adjust for degraded build quality and decreased stability resulting from the current “Windows 10” release strategy, so…

          ( 24 hours per reboot ) / ( Windows 10 ) = 2.4 hours per reboot

          Thank you satrow for your insight and shrewd semi-quantitative analysis! 🙂

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      • #2288512 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        I’ve always setup a dedicated partition

        That’s fine as a power user but not for standard rollout in a company. The fix in a company is “15 minute re-image” unless it’s an easy fix.

        cheers, Paul

      • #2288525 Reply
        doriel
        AskWoody Lounger

        Finally I was able to put my hands on that machine.
        Setting was “system managed”

        I set the size to zero manually. And restarted PC.

        jirsak

        Then, I set to “system managed” and restated again.

        jirsak02

        File size was exatly the same as before.
        So I set to manually and doubled the recommended size to total 3788MB.

        jirsak03

        I am going to let it that way, until user complains 🙂
        I did not try to delete C:pagefile.sys
        Interesting is, that recommended value shows 1894 MB and actual size is nearly 12 times greater.

        Dell Latitude E6530, Intel Core i5 @ 2.6 GHz, 4GB RAM, W10 1809 Enterprise

        HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

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