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      • #134283
        woody
        Manager

        It ain’t a pretty sight. Post coming in Computerworld.
        [See the full post at: Patch Alert: Where we stand with September’s Windows and Office patches]

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      • #134299
        Noel Carboni
        AskWoody_MVP

        My hat’s off to you, Woody, for juggling all the details of all the patches and building executive summaries we can all deal with.

        A data point:

        I went ahead with the Win 8.1 patches this month before the change in the MS-DEFCON level, since I have my own testing regimen based on a virtual system, and I can say that after 10 days of hard use on my actual hardware system, given that I have only a local account, the Win 8.1 patches have been working perfectly. I’ve had zero problems, and I’ve been working my workstation pretty hard doing business management and software development.

        I’m still holding off updating my critical Win 7 system, which functions primarily as a server, since I haven’t had a chance to fully test the patches yet and it has no current problems.

        -Noel

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        • #134323
          Microfix
          AskWoody MVP

          Done the same Noel, both W8.1 devices group B with no issues.

          Tux machines are a joy to recieve updates that work as intended, bit like the old days of MS 🙂

          W10, the itch you simply cannot scratch!
          • #134331
            woody
            Manager

            Are you using Microsoft accounts?

            • #134340
              Microfix
              AskWoody MVP

              Not for either device Woody, not needed. 🙂

              W10, the itch you simply cannot scratch!
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      • #134317
        fl
        AskWoody Plus

        Ow my head!!!

        The link to the MS Support article for more information regarding the Sept. 12 .NET Security and Quality update for Windows 7, provided in Woody’s Computerworld article:

        https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4043601/rendering-issues-after-the-september-12-2017-net-security-and-quality

        suggests that a workaround is to install the Security Only updates for .NET – KB4040957, instead of the Security and Quality Updates, and provides a link to where it can be downloaded.

        That link takes you to a new information page where CVE-2017-8759 is discussed (in typically obscure MS fashion):

        https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4040957/description-of-the-security-only-update-for-the-net-framework-4-6-4-6

        and then provides links to the MS Catalog where the Security Only Patch can be found. THAT page:

        https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=4041090

        provides links to download KB4041090, NOT KB4040957 (Is your head starting to throb yet? Just wait.) in three different flavours, and I guess you have to know that the option for “Windows 7,Windows Embedded Standard 7” will provide x86 versions, whereas the “Windows 7,Windows Embedded Standard 7,Windows Server 2008 R2” provides x64. If that’s not confusing enough, clicking to download either of those options brings up a pop-up with links to download KB4040960, KB4040957, KB4019990 and KB4040966.

        My question: If I only want to patch .NET on my Win7 machines (both Pro, but one is x86 and the other x64), do I want to install all four, or only KB4040957?

        Thanks in advance for any light shed.

        Mac Mini v. 6.2 (2012) with Win10 Pro 64 bit v. 1809
        MacBook Pro v. 3.1 (2007) with Win7 32 bit - Group B Updater

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        • #134326
          Kirsty
          Manager

          My question: If I only want to patch .NET on my Win7 machines (both Pro, but one is x86 and the other x64), do I want to install all four, or only KB4040957?

          If your machines don’t need any of the four parts of the security only .NET patches, they won’t install, but I always try installing all (one wasn’t needed on my machines this month).

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        • #134345
          DrBonzo
          AskWoody Plus

          You need to know what versions of .NET you have, and you might have more than one. An easy way to find out what versions you have is to let Windows Update CHECK for updates, but unless you want, don’t have it download or install them. You should get an update that says something to the effect of “.NET update for versions 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, etc.” The versions you see are the ones you have on your computer.

          I’m going to refer to the KB numbers by their last 3 digits (in other words they all begin with KB4040). Then, here’s how things shake out this month:

          977 and 960 are the Rollup and security only patches, respectively, for .NET 4.5.2
          980 and 966 are the Rollup and sec only for .NET 3.5.1
          973 and 957 are the Rollup and sec only for .NET 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, and 4.7

          KB4041083 essentially combines all the above Rollups into one patch and KB4041090 essentially combines all the above sec only into one patch.

          You can decide on what you want – Rollup or sec only – and download them from the MS Update Catalog and then install them manually. In the Catalog make sure you pay attention to the title of the patch; the titles should have ‘x64’ in them for the 64 bit versions, while 32 bit versions may have ‘x86’ or perhaps neither ‘x86’ or ‘x64’ but maybe only something like ‘…for Win 7…. Might sound complicated but it’s not bad if you read the titles carefully.

          Hope this helps.

          Also see PKCano’s reply below (#134344)

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          • #134388
            anonymous
            Guest

            You cannot determine what versions of .NET you have by letting Windows Update check for updates. The name of the .NET Framework Rollup is the same for everyone.

            • #134414
              Kirsty
              Manager

              To show the above anon post until we are able to moderate it:

              (Awaiting moderation)You cannot determine what versions of .NET you have by letting Windows Update check for updates. The name of the .NET Framework Rollup is the same for everyone.

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              • #134463
                DrBonzo
                AskWoody Plus

                Looks like there are better ways to determine what .NET versions you have. See the posts below by MrBrian and others. Sorry for not giving better info.

                On the other hand if you download all the patches the only ones that should install are the ones applicable to your computer. If a patch isn’t applicable, you should get a message to that effect. That’s happened to me in the past.

          • #135260
            anonymous
            Guest

            The best way to determine what version of .NET you have is to use Microsoft’s tool:

            .NET Framework Setup Verification Tool

            https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/astebner/2008/10/13/net-framework-setup-verification-tool-users-guide/

            Not only will it lists all versions of .NET that you have, it also does a check to see if any of the versions have issues.

            Woody should be familiar with tool (or atleast with website).

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        • #134411
          GoneToPlaid
          AskWoody Plus

          In the past year, I have encountered one instance where the link to the MS Update Catalog listed the wrong update. Apparently idiots now work at MS. My guess is that the really talented people jumped ship soon after Nadella became the new CEO and rather quickly fired the Windows Update quality control team. You never shoot the cash cow, yet this is exactly what Nadella did. And now he is relying on his PR department to try to save his rear end since there already are signs that the “cloud” may not be the best choice for large corporations who are beginning to belatedly realize that they should be in complete control of their data since the more complex a structure becomes (along with implied trust yet complete unknowns), the more likely that the house of cards could come crashing down.

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        • #134419
          MrBrian
          AskWoody_MVP
      • #134324
        DrBonzo
        AskWoody Plus

        Has anybody heard any more about the Win7 KB4038777 Rollup causing broken activation on Dell Win7 Pro machines? Woody reported a couple weeks ago about a reader AJ who had sent him an email that the rollup appeared to break activation on these machines. But apparently several forum members with these machines have installed the rollup with no problems.

        I’d appreciate knowing if there’s any more info about this.

        Thanks.

        • #134333
          woody
          Manager

          There’s more info here:
          https://www.askwoody.com/forums/reply/133291

          In general, I haven’t seen a lot of complaints. But if you know of anybody who’s hit the same problem, I’m all ears!

          EDIT #133291 isn’t currently visible sorry (due to site problems)

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          • #134339
            DrBonzo
            AskWoody Plus

            Thanks, Woody. When I click your link I’m told I don’t have access to that page; I suspect it’s due to the troubles you’ve been having with the site.

            The thread I was recalling should be here:

            Report of KB 4038777 breaking activation on Dell machines

            /

            Thanks for this site, Woody. I’m sure it’s a pain in the neck, but it’s been extremely helpful to me.

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            • #134348
              woody
              Manager

              The site’s still broken. Very frustrating. But, yes, if there’s anything new on the activation problem, it’ll be in that Topic.

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            • #134350
              PKCano
              Manager

              If you go to the topic on Dell machines, and click on the TITLE or the post instead or “comment on the AskWoody Lounge” you will find the “Comments” on the subject are there.

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        • #134428
          _Reassigned Account
          AskWoody Lounger

          Apparently the updates deleted a OEM folder that contained activation info. Dell might have a fix now, but a work around was to grab the folder from another Dell and paste it on the affected machine. Not even sure why a update would do such a thing in the first place?

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      • #134338
        Noel Carboni
        AskWoody_MVP

        (Awaiting moderation)Longtime lurker, question for the experts…, which lets me out.

        On Zbook 17 Workstation (2014) running Windows 7 SP1 x64 O/S. Wanted to install the .Net patch Security Only because I had no desire to mess up my DxO photo-editing software operation. Have taken the .Net rollups prior which were all 4.6.1 apparently.

        From the Update Catalog, clicking on the download link for Win7 x64, four links were provided. The first appeared to be for 4.5, so I ignored it. The fourth tried to install 4.7, so I ignored that. The middle two I installed, apparently with no issues and my RAW converter, photo software is working. Whew!

        From my list/history of installed updates, kb4040966 would appear to be the security update. Is that all I needed???

        Had installed kb4019990 too, just in case. Deeper Googling would indicate that this is a required dll update for installing .Net 4.7 which I would not do unless instructed by the experts here that it was useful/necessary! Should I remove it or leave it in place? Haven’t noticed any negative impacts.

        Group B here since inception. Will wait for Defcon 3 before acting further. Always update IE11 just in case another program is using it as a viewer, but am on Firefox ESR 52.3.0 which plays nice with my Kaspersky KIS 2017, etc., etc.

        No clue what to do about SnowflakeFox when ESR shifts to 59. ? Rely on Noscript which hopefully will be a webextension. Also rely on Status-4-Evar and Hide Tab Bar With One Tab. Will NOT be a happy bunny if those two are likewise NOT updated as webextensions…

        Be gentle, I’m retired… ?

        FYI, as far as I can tell it’s still impossible for MVPs (well this one anyway) to approve anonymous posts. However, I can see them. By quoting the above perhaps it’ll get general exposure and then answered.

        -Noel

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        • #134349
          AJNorth
          AskWoody Plus

          Thanks for posting this, Noel.

          In addition to KB4040966, this person may also require KB4040957 and KB4040960; the various Win 7 Pro x64 boxes I look after do  though I’ve only actually installed them on three machines (with no issues reported, so far…).

          (As you know, PKCano, Kirsty and others, have discussed the .NET updates in some detail.)

          Edit to remove HTML

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        • #134354
          woody
          Manager

          It’s a bug and the devs are still working on it.

          Most frustrating to me – on some blog posts, there are different comments that appear if you click on the title of the blog post, as opposed to the “Comment on the AskWoody Lounge” link.

          In both cases, MVPs are having trouble approving anonymous posts.

      • #134344
        PKCano
        Manager

        How to find the .NET security-only patch you need:

        First, find out what version(s) of .NET are installed on your computer.
        When you go to the catalog, enter the KB number in the search (example: 4041090 for Win7, 4041092 for Win8.1)
        Find your version (32-bit or 64-bit)
        Instead of clicking on “download,” click on the title of the patch
        In the popup box, click on “More information
        That will take you to a page that tells you which of the several patches offered is for your version of .NET – make a note of the one(s) you need.

        Return to the download page, and download only the ones you need.

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      • #134392
        woody
        Manager

        Just got this from OC:

        Yesterday, I installed the September IE 11 cumulative update.
        When that was done, and I launched IE 11 for the first time afterwards, I got a once-only message telling me to right-click on any open tab, and then on “Show tabs in a separate row” in the dialog box that then opened.

        I did that, and things went right back to what they have always been before this “innovation” came along.
        So: problem solved, or so it seems.

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        • #134402
          Noel Carboni
          AskWoody_MVP

          I saw that once-only message, too, on my test system when first opening IE after doing the update. It times out all too quickly on its own, though; I didn’t even have time to read the whole thing before it disappeared.

          If it does that, you can still fix it… Since IE is open at that point, you can right-click on the tab and uncheck the “Show tabs on separate row” selection.

          -Noel

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      • #134399
        bjm
        AskWoody Lounger

        Hello again,

        I Submitted this message a moment ago and now cannot find.

        I have 4038782 Improvements n Fixes, 4038806 FlashPlayer and 4033637 ??? … Hidden.
        I pulled 4038801 waiting further advice & Defcon 3-5.

        Also noticed I’m still on NetFramework 4.0.30319.

        Thank you as always,
        Regards w Respect

        EDIT: appears there’s a unexpected lag between Submit and message appearance.
        Apology if I’ve duplicate posted.

      • #134418
        MrBrian
        AskWoody_MVP

        The situation with Win10 Anniversary Update, version 1607, isn’t as straightforward. Apparently, there were a host of problems that appeared after this month’s Patch Tuesday cumulative update, KB 4038782. It isn’t clear if that update introduced bugs of its own, but the situation’s bad enough that we got a second cumulative update this month, again on Monday.

        In my opinion, one shouldn’t assume that because a given issue is listed as fixed in a given build that the given issue was introduced in the prior build.

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        • #134426
          MrBrian
          AskWoody_MVP

          Example: KB4038801 lists this item: “Updated the BitLocker.psm1 PowerShell script to not log passwords when logging is enabled.” Should we assume that this issue was introduced with the prior build, KB4038782? Let’s investigate. The file list for KB4038782 lists BitLocker.psm1 for Windows 10 x86 as having size 294460 and last updated on March 4, 2017.  KB4039396, the build prior to KB4038782, also lists BitLocker.psm1 for Windows 10 x86 as having size 294460 and last updated on March 4, 2017. KB4013429, released on March 14, 2017, also lists BitLocker.psm1 for Windows 10 x86 as having size 294460 and last updated on March 4, 2017. Conclusion: this issue has very likely existed since at least KB4013429, which was released on March 14, 2017, and therefore was not introduced in KB4038782, the build prior to KB4038801, the build that fixed the issue.

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      • #134420
        MrBrian
        AskWoody_MVP

        As I mentioned in another thread, KB4038801 contains .NET Framework September 2017 Preview of Quality Rollup.

      • #134447
        Morty
        AskWoody Lounger

        What happened to the Thank button?

        I’ll just have to thank you manually while waiting for the all-clear siren.

        Morty

        PS: Let me know if you start a hardware kvetch lounge. I just dumped a replacement for a defective monitor. Bought a new Dell, but it came with only a 15-pin cable. Had to use the old cable from the bad guys and pray….

      • #134448
        Morty
        AskWoody Lounger

        Aha. I found the button. Thanks again!

        Morty

        • #134453
          woody
          Manager

          Replying/thanking/moderating/logging in are all completely screwed up. I have a call in with the devs in about half an hour.

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      • #134288
        anonymous
        Guest

        Woody,

        Great job. Thanks. Just trying to be patient for the green light again this month.

        Dave

      • #134302
        anonymous
        Guest

        Win 7 X64  home premium  Group A   Received KB4038803 on the  Sep. 21.  Nothing happened  out of the ordinary.

      • #134304
        anonymous
        Guest

        Microsoft already employs quantum technology on Windows 10. It works and it doesn’t work at the same time!

        It’s real state is only defined when the observer (the user) sits on front of the computer after Windows Update reboots the system.

      • #134318
        anonymous
        Guest

        Longtime lurker, question for the experts…, which lets me out.

        On Zbook 17 Workstation (2014) running Windows 7 SP1 x64 O/S. Wanted to install the .Net patch Security Only because I had no desire to mess up my DxO photo-editing software operation. Have taken the .Net rollups prior which were all 4.6.1 apparently.

        From the Update Catalog, clicking on the download link for Win7 x64, four links were provided. The first appeared to be for 4.5, so I ignored it. The fourth tried to install 4.7, so I ignored that. The middle two I installed, apparently with no issues and my RAW converter, photo software is working. Whew!

        From my list/history of installed updates, kb4040966 would appear to be the security update. Is that all I needed???

        Had installed kb4019990 too, just in case. Deeper Googling would indicate that this is a required dll update for installing .Net 4.7 which I would not do unless instructed by the experts here that it was useful/necessary! Should I remove it or leave it in place? Haven’t noticed any negative impacts.

        Group B here since inception. Will wait for Defcon 3 before acting further. Always update IE11 just in case another program is using it as a viewer, but am on Firefox ESR 52.3.0 which plays nice with my Kaspersky KIS 2017, etc., etc.

        No clue what to do about SnowflakeFox when ESR shifts to 59. 🙁 Rely on Noscript which hopefully will be a webextension. Also rely on Status-4-Evar and Hide Tab Bar With One Tab. Will NOT be a happy bunny if those two are likewise NOT updated as webextensions…

        Be gentle, I’m retired… 😉

        • #135284
          MrBrian
          AskWoody_MVP

          I recommend that you keep KB4019990 installed.

        • #135324
          anonymous
          Guest

          anonymous wrote:
          Had installed kb4019990 too, just in case. Deeper Googling would indicate that this is a required dll update for installing .Net 4.7 which I would not do unless instructed by the experts here that it was useful/necessary! Should I remove it or leave it in place? Haven’t noticed any negative impacts.

          I have KB 4019990 (prerequisite) & .NET 4.7 here on Win 7 x64 SP1 Home Premium since Aug 2017. Prior to this, I only had .NET 4.0 Client. So far, I have not observed any negative effects.

          I suppose if you already have .NET 4.6.x installed & you aren’t using any application that requires .NET 4.7, there is no need to rush to install .NET 4.7.

          The below link shows some known issues pertaining to .NET 4.7, but the only one obviously relevant to Win 7 is the D3DCompiler_47.dll prerequisite (which is already taken care of by KB 4019990). I have not encountered any of the other listed issues. Nor do I have any idea how they can be reproduced on demand.

          https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4015088

          .NET 4.6.x & .NET 4.5.x have their own list of issues, which can be seen by clicking the respective links at the bottom of the aforementioned link.

      • #134322
        anonymous
        Guest

        Back in the day (Windows 98), we used to wait half a year before installing Windows updates to make sure there were fixes for the ‘fixes’… Now, we are back and Microsoft, again, has become the worst trashware/spyware/malware publisher on the planet. What’s even worse, Microsoft does not care to maintain previous Windows versions as soon as they’ve been shipped. In fact, they use previous versions as testbed for testing their new junk.

      • #134335
        anonymous
        Guest

        Hopefully we’ll have a level 3 by next week sometime or so. I wait until were at 3 or 4 to patch updates.

      • #134617
        anonymous
        Guest

        Is Windows 10 the most worthless … you’ve ever had shoved down your throat?

        I have several clients who were VERY HAPPY with their VERY STABLE WINDOWS 7 machines, and now since they were force-fed this 10 garbage, it’s nothing but problems… and endless support calls to me.

        Seems to me we could form a class-action lawsuit about this, couldn’t we? Microsoft wantonly and maliciously modified our working systems, and installed software that doesn’t even qualify as “experimental”, in my view.

        Comments?

        • #135327
          anonymous
          Guest

          anonymous wrote:
          I have several clients who were VERY HAPPY with their VERY STABLE WINDOWS 7 machines, and now since they were force-fed this 10 garbage, it’s nothing but problems… and endless support calls to me.

          I’m still running Win 7 SP1 on a 2010 laptop. Win 10 (even when it was free) doesn’t look very appetizing to me due to privacy issues, as well as the modern tiled/ touchscreen-focussed GUI.

          On the other hand, I’ve come across numerous comments (elsewhere on forums & Facebook) that indicate that users are OK or even quite pleased with Win 10. This group of users probably find the complaints about Win 10 rather puzzling.

          For Win 7 users (more likely to be using older hardware, I suppose) who were forcibly, or had voluntarily switched to Win 10 … is it possible that the endless list of problems are caused by unresolved/ unresolvable incompatibilities with the older hardware &/or device drivers ?

          For instance, according to the OEM, my laptop model isn’t compatible with Win 10 due to its age, even if I were keen on Win 10 (& I’m not).

      • #134328
        anonymous
        Guest

        My comment goes back to kb4034664 (2017-08 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems ) from last month.  I waited until early this month (Sept 6) to install that, and since them I’ve had problems with IE11.

        In particular, it periodically gives an IE11-has-crashed message, does a dump, and then restarts the crashing window.  There is no other apparent ill effect except having a number of dumps over the course of the day.  I hypothesize that this has to do with a session time out, since the website where this is happening (Fidelity Investments) is one where you have to do a login, and which will time out if there is no activity after a set time.  The timing of the dump seems to coincide with when a time out would otherwise occur.

        Has anyone else noticed a similar issue?

      • #134363
        anonymous
        Guest

        I installed the IE 11 cumulative security update for this month. When I finished and then launched IE 11 for the first time, the search and the tabs were in one bar, as veriously reported here.

        There was also a once-only message telling me to right-click on any open tab, and then click on the “show tabs in a separate row” item in the menu that then  opened. I did that, and everything got back to how it always used to be:

        Problem solved it seems, and by MS itself; imagine that.

      • #134377
        anonymous
        Guest

        Thanks to Noel for posting my questions! And to AJNorth’s reply which must have been deleted. kb4040957 did in fact install as an update for 4.6.1, (not 4.7),. Already had kb4040966 & kb4019990 and as Kirsty suggested, kb4040960 wouldn’t install as it was for 4.5 which I must not have. Assume this is all I need?

        PK’s instructions didn’t work for me. Must have missed something or be very dull…, or both.

        Turned on WU which offered me the 4.7 installer. Assume I just just hide that???!!!

        Even with the above .Net Security Only patches installed, WU is offering me kb4041083 Rollup. Assume I should hide that along with the other Rollup, kb4038777??? Will do Security Only as part of Group B after Defcon 3.

        Have Office 2010 on my workstation too. FWIW, kb4011089 “Tower of Babel” appeared, but UN-checked. Maybe they’ll fix it if I live that long… Went ahead and installed the other Excel and Powerpoint and Office patches, fingers crossed.

        Thanks for the help and clarifications!

      • #134495
        anonymous
        Guest

        Many thanks, many times, to “Da Boss” (Woody) for his informed and experienced commentaries.

        Truth be told, when my present computer goes off to the field of dreams, I may go elsewhere also — for a different operating system.  Maybe other producers are having problems also, but Microsoft repeatedly looks like the gang who couldn’t shoot straight. On the premise (and promise) of helping you, they just mess you up.

      • #135484
        Lori
        AskWoody Plus

        Has there been a fix for the W 8.1 logging-in problem? I saw it’s Defcon 3, but couldn’t tell if this issue is fixed? Does the problem occur in the Sept. security only update, too?

        I have a w8.1 64-bit pc, and log in via a Microsoft account. Do I need to create a local account (in case there’s a problem) to install the September updates; or is it best to skip them, and just install the IE update? Is the .NET frame update still problematic, or should I wait on it, too?

        • #135487
          PKCano
          Manager

          Has there been a fix for the W 8.1 logging-in problem?

          I haven’t seen a fix. I would create a local account that has admin privileges just in case. Then login with your MS account and install the update. If you get locked out, you have an out till the Oct patches come out next week.

          Is the .NET frame update still problematic

          If you install the Rollup offered through Windows Update, and it causes problems, uninstalling it removes the problems.
          The security-only .NET patch apparently does not cause the problem. See Woody’s ComputerWorld article for instructions.

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      • #135502
        Sparky
        AskWoody Lounger

        How to find the .NET security-only patch you need: First, find out what version(s) of .NET are installed on your computer. When you go to the catalog, enter the KB number in the search (example: 4041090 for Win7, 4041092 for Win8.1) Find your version (32-bit or 64-bit) Instead of clicking on “download,” click on the title of the patch In the popup box, click on “More information” That will take you to a page that tells you which of the several patches offered is for your version of .NET – make a note of the one(s) you need. Return to the download page, and download only the ones you need.

        I haven’t pulled the trigger yet on the .NET security-only patch yet.
        Before I do, I need a little more clarification on the correct patch for my machine.
        Computer OS: Win7 Home Premium SP1 x64, Purchased February, 2011
        Using the .NET Framework setup verification tool  it came back with the below results.
        [10/05/17,14:44:26]
        Build created on May 25, 2017
        Install state for .NET Framework 1.0: not installed.
        Install state for .NET Framework 1.1: not installed.
        Install state for .NET Framework 2.0: installed with service pack 2.
        Install state for .NET Framework 3.0: installed with service pack 2.
        Install state for .NET Framework 3.5: installed with service pack 1.
        Install state for .NET Framework 4 Client: installed with no service packs.
        Install state for .NET Framework 4 Full: installed with no service packs.
        Install state for .NET Framework 4.5: installed with no service packs.
        Install state for .NET Framework 4.5.1: installed with no service packs.
        Install state for .NET Framework 4.5.2: installed with no service packs.
        Install state for .NET Framework 4.6: installed with no service packs.
        Install state for .NET Framework 4.6.1: installed with no service packs.
        Install state for .NET Framework 4.6.2: not installed.
        Install state for .NET Framework 4.7: not installed.
        Not adding product ‘.NET Framework 1.0’ because it is not currently installed
        Not adding product ‘.NET Framework 1.1’ because it is not currently installed
        Not adding product ‘.NET Framework 1.1 SP1’ because it is not currently installed
        Not adding product ‘.NET Framework 2.0’ because it is not currently installed
        Not adding product ‘.NET Framework 2.0 SP1’ because it is not currently installed
        Not adding product ‘.NET Framework 3.0’ because it is not currently installed
        Not adding product ‘.NET Framework 3.0 SP1’ because it is not currently installed
        Not adding product ‘.NET Framework 3.5’ because it is not currently installed
        Not adding product ‘.NET Framework 4.6.2’ because it is not currently installed
        Not adding product ‘.NET Framework 4.7’ because it is not currently installed

        If I’m reading the data correctly it shows I have :
        2.0, 3.0, 3.5, 4 Client, 4 Full, 4.5, 4.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2,  installed.

        Do I download the second patch on this MS catalog list ?
        2017-09 Security Only Update for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7 on Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 for x64 (KB4041090)

        I have never downloaded anything from MS update catalog.
        I have not updated .NET Framework using WU for awhile because of its problems.

        I also have not installed KB4038777, 2017-09 Security Monthly Quality Rollup yet.
        Here is a screen shot of what patches are hidden.
        WU is set on “Never check for updates”
        10-5-17-hidden-patches

        Any Help would be appreciated.

        Dell, W10 Professional, 64-bit, Intel Core i7 Quad, Group A

        HP, W7 Home Premium, 64-bit, AMD Phenom II, Group A

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        • #135509
          MrBrian
          AskWoody_MVP

          “Do I download the second patch on this MS catalog list ?”

          Yes. And then in your case its 1st, 3rd, and 4th files. Reference: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2017/09/12/net-framework-september-2017-security-and-quality-rollup/.

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          • #136095
            walker
            AskWoody Lounger

            @Mr.Brian:  I have been unable to even access the comments that arrive in many of the e-mails, so I’ve just “given up” for now.   Without many of the comments and replies not available it seems best to try to wait until I can attempt to get more of the comments.   It’s very frustrating, which I’m sure it is for some others as well.   Hoping everything will straighten itself out while there is still time to salvage “something”.  Thank you once again for all of your invaluable help with “the mess”.   I appreciate it all, more than words can ever express adequately.     Thank you once again for your perseverance, and patience as well.    🙁

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      • #135539
        Sparky
        AskWoody Lounger

        “Do I download the second patch on this MS catalog list ?” Yes. And then in your case its 1st, 3rd, and 4th files. Reference: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2017/09/12/net-framework-september-2017-security-and-quality-rollup/.

        I downloaded the following:
        windows6.1-kb4040966-x64_e7962089ce768c11b0aafc644abb7df0e985bdea.ms
        It shows in installed updates & that it installed successfully.

        ndp46-kb4040957-x64_25f36953431af3abd007e23f44950bc9b46134d7.exe
        The wizard said it installed but does not show up in installed updates.
        Why doesn’t kb4040957 show in installed updates or is it not suppose to ?

        ndp45-kb4040960-x64_49acc241ffd0fe529497060f2da2e1aa81d7f405.exe
        Wizard says: Software Update kb4040960 Installation Wizard does not apply, or is blocked by another condition on your computer. Does this mean kb4040960 is not needed or is there another reason why its being blocked?

        I saved all three onto the desktop and ran them from there.

        Dell, W10 Professional, 64-bit, Intel Core i7 Quad, Group A

        HP, W7 Home Premium, 64-bit, AMD Phenom II, Group A

        • #135543
          MrBrian
          AskWoody_MVP

          I did some tests. One should not use .NET Framework Setup Verification Tool for this purpose. Instead, I recommend to use Raymondcc .NET Detector. KB4040960 probably wasn’t needed on your computer.

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          • #135653
            Sparky
            AskWoody Lounger

            Here are the results from the
            Raymondcc .NET Detector
            Installed .NET Framework packages:
            .NET Framework 2.0 Service Pack 2   ver: 2.0.50727.5420
            .NET Framework 3.0 Service Pack 2   ver: 3.0.30729.5420
            .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1   ver: 3.5.30729.5420
            .NET Framework 4.6.1   ver: 4.6.01055
            Note: The detector results are after KB4040957 & KB4040966 .NET Framework security only updates were installed.
            KB4040960 did not install.

            KB4040960 is the Security Only update for the .NET Framework 4.5.2 for Windows 7 SP1, Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 SP2: September 12, 2017
            Source for the above info.

            According to the Raymondcc .NET Detector, I do not have .NET Framework 4.5.2 installed. So you are correct, KB4040960 was not needed on my machine.

            Also both updates show in installed updates.
            KB4040957 is under “.NET Framework 4.6.1” and it shows as:
            “Security update for Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6.1 (KB4040957)”
            KB4040966 (.NET Framework 3.5.1) is under “Microsoft Windows” and it shows as:
            “Security update for Microsoft Windows (KB4040966)”
            Out of the two KB4040966 is the only one that shows in update history.

            I think I have what was required, do you concur?
            If this is the case all I need to do is install KB4038777, 2017-09 Security Monthly Quality Rollup and I’m good to go. Until next months whirlwind.
            Hopefully By then, Woody can get these attacks to this site under control.

            Dell, W10 Professional, 64-bit, Intel Core i7 Quad, Group A

            HP, W7 Home Premium, 64-bit, AMD Phenom II, Group A

            • #135660
              MrBrian
              AskWoody_MVP

              “I think I have what was required, do you concur?”

              I agree :).

               

              • #135725
                Sparky
                AskWoody Lounger

                MrBrian,

                Thanks for the Help.

                Dell, W10 Professional, 64-bit, Intel Core i7 Quad, Group A

                HP, W7 Home Premium, 64-bit, AMD Phenom II, Group A

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      • #135923
        Morty
        AskWoody Lounger

        I ran the update on Wednesday, Oct. 4, and when I rebooted, it installed something on my desktop called “Homegroup.”

        From what I can tell, it’s some kind of networking program from MS. But I don’t have any networked computers. (The only other computer I have is an XP machine with a wireless internet connection.) Can I remove Homegroup? Can I remove it with Revo Uninstaller, or should I go through the regular Windows uninstaller?

        Thank you!

        Here are the updates I got:

        Update              KB4019990       Admin-PC\Admin          10/4/2017
        Update              KB4040980      Admin-PC\Admin   10/4/2017
        Security Update      KB4038777      Admin-PC\Admin      10/4/2017

        • #136013
          Bob99
          AskWoody Plus

          Homegroup is a feature of Windows 7 to help those at home and some smaller businesses network two or more computers together without a lot of “geeky” effort. Therefore, Revo Uninstaller probably won’t do you any good to try and uninstall it.

          However, you can manage it’s settings by going into the Network and Sharing Center. Just click on the little networking icon in your system tray in the lower right corner of the screen and then click the blue link labeled “Open Network and Sharing Center”.

          When I originally got Windows 7 back in 2010, it was installed on a new computer that I bought from a local shop (no brand names on it, it was a locally built unit to my specs), and I had another computer that was running XP at home. Well, once I got to the point of plugging in the networking cable, the Win 7 Pro machine found the XP machine and “automagically” set up networking between them, enabling the XP machine to see everything on the 7 Pro machine and vice versa. I later went into the machines and manually tweaked some networking settings to restrict what each could see on the other. That XP machine has since been replaced by a newer Win 7 machine.

          So, it could be that the recent updates you’ve installed have “reawakened” that capability on your Win 7 machine somehow.

          However, with no more support for XP in the form of security patches, you’re better off leaving the XP machine alone, isolated from the Win 7 machine.

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        • #136017
          PKCano
          Manager

          @Morty

          Go to Control Panel\Homegroup
          If it says “This computer can’t connect to a homegroup” at the top, you’re OK. Just ignore it.
          If it says you belong to a homegroup, there will be a link “Leave the homegroup.” Click on that to remove the homegroup.

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          • #136046
            Sparky
            AskWoody Lounger

            I only have one laptop computer with Win7 Home premium and it always belonged to a homegroup. I think it was changed to homegroup somehow.
            None of the boxes under “share libraries and printers” were ever checked.
            What is the default setting suppose to be on a brand new Win7 Home premium OS ?

            Is a homegroup defined by multiple computers connect via copper wires i.e. cat5 ?
            Can the computers that belong to a homegroup be connected wirelessly ?
            If you leave the homegroup does this effect the wireless connection to your printer ?
            I currently don’t have a functioning printer at the moment. When I did, it was connect wirelessly through the router as is the laptop.

            That bring me to anther question, if you have two identical computers, is there away to use one as a master and use the other as a slave or a back-up ?
            Where as, the master computer uploads it’s changes to the slave computer so that the data on both hard drives are always identical?
            Example:
            Both computers are connected wirelessly and the master computer is continuously uploading it’s changes to the slave computer.
            The reason:
            If one of the two computers fails, I will always have one to fallback on, that is identical.

            Dell, W10 Professional, 64-bit, Intel Core i7 Quad, Group A

            HP, W7 Home Premium, 64-bit, AMD Phenom II, Group A

            • #136051
              PKCano
              Manager

              Homegroup is basically Windows/Microsoft controlling everything connected to your router, wired or wireless, that joins the homegroup. It can make networking easier for those who are not network savvy. (But in the past, I have also run into trouble it causes.)

              If you only have one computer you certainly don’t need to create a homegroup. You are usually asked when your computer initially connects to your network if you want to create a homegroup and it gives you check boxes to choose what you want to share. You can just cancel it if you don’t want to do so.

              Homegroup is not a backup system. You have to set that up separately. You can network your computers, using homegroup or not using homegroup, and sync them using various means.

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      • #134376
        woody
        Manager

        “Daunting” is an understatement.

        The bugs come and go. Most of the major ones get resolved, sooner or later.

        It’d be a full-time job, or nearly so. If we had people who would pay for it, such a list might be possible. But it’s not the kind of thing anyone in their right mind would take on as a pro bono exercise.

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