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    • #225913 Reply

      Susan Bradley
      AskWoody MVP

      Here’s a paranoia item for you… what happens if…or rather when… the Internet goes down for enough time that you have to make a plan B?  Note thi
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      GreatAndPowerfulTech
      AskWoody Lounger

      Cellular or satellite Internet are the only viable options to destroyed landline Internet infrastructure. Good luck getting satellite if hundred of thousands of others also sign up for it after a disaster strikes. Having an active smartphone, hotspot, or laptop with cell connection built in, like yours, are the only practical options, presuming they stay up and aren’t also destroyed like Verizon’s Florida service after Hurricane Michael. Thanks for giving me something to think about.

      GreatAndPowerfulTech

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      Pierre77
      AskWoody Lounger

      At first I took this subject as not seriously. But living in the “Land Down Under” there would be serious problems. The government is still working on providing broadband to a lot of this huge country. There are still places on dial-up, ADSL, Satellite and the whole  network is a shambles. I have gone through most of these stages and now have have broadband running at 12MBS/1MBS. My age is now 78 and I depend on the Internet for paying all my bills etc. I have a credit card and would have to fall back on that. But it would be useless as the country internet would be down so no access to funds. All companies used to have paper backups but that has all gone. I spent part of my working life with IBM from 1966 till I was forced to take a redundancy in 1995 with all company benefits. I have not have to work since and reached my goal which was to retire at age 55. I am familiar and used all versions of DOS and Windows except for Windows 10. Now running Windows 7 Home Premium 64x.

      So if we ever have a huge Internet outage find a slate/pad and pencil. My 2 cents worth (5 cents – inflation !!!).

      If post is not suitable just delete it.

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        anonymous

        Pierre77 from “Land Down Under” wrote:

        My age is now 78 and I depend on the Internet for paying all my bills etc. I have a credit card and would have to fall back on that. But it would be useless as the country internet would be down so no access to funds. All companies used to have paper backups but that has all gone.

        I have resisted the pressure from companies to go paperless for just this reason. While I use the internet for bill pay and funds access, I insist on “paper backups” which are still available in many cases here in the US.

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      Seff
      AskWoody Lounger

      My own take on this is that private individuals would be able to cope, essentially with flashlights, radios and smart phones (in so far as they still operated – it’s not a given that radio stations would be able to broadcast, let alone smart phones remain active with viable signals – and only then until they ran out of charge), but that most companies would be totally unable to operate because their entire business model is based around computers.

      It’s a problem I tried to get my company to take seriously before I retired but they didn’t really recognise it as a serious issue, and I guess that even if they had done and had put their own plans in place for such an eventuality it would probably have meant very little because every other business they dealt with would effectively be down.

      We rely far too heavily these days on computers and the electricity that powers them for every single aspect of our lives, but I don’t think there’s an effective way any more of turning the clock back on that. All we can do is hope they keep running! Life would continue without them for an extended period, of course, but depending on the individual circumstances, the cause of the downtime and its duration, it could be a very different life for many.

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      jescott418
      AskWoody Lounger

      Thinking about how hurricane Michael took down cellular with its fiber lines being damaged also gives pause to wonder about this issue. Maybe we depend too much on these sources and the work arounds are not in place. When natural disasters like hurricanes, earthquakes or whatever happen. We not only lose our internet, but cellular, TV, electricity, the ability to cook, shower, travel. For myself losing internet for a few hours, is better then losing everything for weeks or days or longer. We have become complacent just expecting things will be there. Our ability to cope with anything beyond the norm is getting weak.

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      Ed
      AskWoody Lounger

      I live in a rural area that’s unfortunately prone to power outages, we lose power here for some reason or another for various lengths of time depending on the cause of the outage.

      Many years ago I invested in a good sized portable generator and hired a licensed electrician to run a line from my garage where the generator is to the main circuit panel in the basement so when the power goes out I can have power restored to my entire house in under 10 minutes. The generator and the cost to properly connect it to the circuit box was absolutely the BEST investment I’ve ever made!

      However, being in a rural area my cable provided internet service requires power from the power lines to function, so even though my generator provides power to the whole house I still don’t have internet until the main power comes back on. In fact, regularly checking the status of the “Online” light on my cable modem during power outages is how I know the main power is back on and I can shut the generator down.

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      anonymous

      Pencil, paper, eraser

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      geekdom
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      I am in small town and rural area, where due to storms, high winds, flooding, or other disasters, electricity is intermittent. Prior to large storms, computers are turned off and unplugged. Computers have battery and surge protectors. If there are brown-outs, computers, if they are on, do not turn off abruptly. Sometimes, an especially strong surge will overpower the surge protector.

      A land-line phone is maintained and trust is largely reserved for things mechanical, not computer or electrical.

      We have three seasons here: winter, summer, and monsoon.

      Group G{ot backup} Win7 · x64 · SP1 · i3-3220 · TestBeta
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      OscarCP
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      What will still be there to keep in touch? Whichever of these are still working: Telephone (cell or landline), some radio stations (not many) willing to relay messages as a community service, ham radio, post office.

      Face to face conversations, tam-tam drums and smoke signals should suffice, given enough time, if things do not get back to normal.

      We have an advanced industrial civilization than can work only as long as many interlinked things work and stay interlinked. It is getting more so all the time — and very enthusiastically so, at that. There can be a price for it to be paid, in full, at some point in the future, if we are not thoughtful enough now.

       

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      rc primak
      AskWoody MVP

      Here in New England, we have both warm season storms and winter Nor’Easters. Sometimes the power goes down for days, even a week or more inland. People around here have adapted with generators, cell modems, good old Ham Radios, and food and water kits. Luckily for me, in the two years I’ve been here, nothing major has disrupted the electric power.

      But the gas service infrastructure has deteriorated, and one very large gas company chose this time to lock out its Union workers.

      Folks all over the country have heard what happened when an absentee-owner utility company literally blew up houses in the Merrimack Valley, north of Boston.  It’s getting cold around here, and the gas lines there have not yet been rebuilt. (This is not the same Company who locked out their Union workers.)

      Then the Big Company’s Replacement Workers overpressurized a gas line near Boston, and now all infrastructure maintenance and upgrade work for most Massachusetts gas customers except emergency repairs is halted, per State orders. Quite a mess, the gas distribution network in New England! And an example of what’s in store in the future for  water supply systems, roads, sewers and storm drains, and bridges.

      So, electric utility outages and Internet Services outages are not the only disasters we should be prepared to face.

      -- rc primak

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