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    • #2000659 Reply

      Susan Bradley
      AskWoody MVP

      Microfix spotted in the catalog a catalog only patch to test for the ability to accept extended support patches for Windows 7. The update https://supp
      [See the full post at: Patch Lady – 7 patches are getting prepared]

      Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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    • #2000667 Reply

      PKCano
      Da Boss

      Windows 7 Security Monthly Quality Rollups have had the KB2952664 functionality (Compatibility Appraiser) included since Sept. 2018. Rollups are cumulative. KB4519976 is a Rollup

      Just a guess, but I doubt MS would give away anything for free. There has to be a caveat.
      I think Group B and updating will part ways after Jan 14th unless there is consent to (try to ) block the telemetry.

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      • #2000673 Reply

        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        I guess one can always go in and ensure you disable the tasks that turn on telemetry?

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

        • #2000677 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          I set the script up as a scheduled task to run on startup as per @abbodi86 ‘s AKB2000012.

          Automate! I have a good memory, but it’s just not very long.  🙂

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        • #2001179 Reply

          anonymous

          I always skip the Windows 7 “Security Only” months and will continue to skip any Security Only patches that have any telemetry included. I’m not looking to get any extended Windows 7 updates unless there is some paid consumer option that is guaranteed in writing to only have Security Only update options sans any telemetry.

          All MS needs to do is search its licensing servers and that will let MS Know if that license is a Volume/Enterprise/SMB variant of Windows 7 and that ‘s all its takes along with some extended updates paid key that’s attached to that specific Windows 7 license.

          That’s really easy for MS to check for and see if the License is qualified and able to get the extended update offer for paid extended W7 updates until 2023.

    • #2000679 Reply

      anonymous

      The great  thing about all this is that Windows 7 will still be supported by other software for at least 3 years or longer. For me this is more important than the Microsoft patches.

      For ordinary users the browser is the main defense surface.

       

       

      • #2000745 Reply

        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        the newly released Malwarebytes 4.0 version is a prime example in that it will still support Windows 7 as they confirmed they are not abandoning Windows 7 anytime soon:

        from this topic:
        https://forums.malwarebytes.com/topic/253227-announcing-malwarebytes-40-for-windows/

        Which Operating Systems does Malwarebytes 4 support?
        Malwarebytes 4 supports Windows 7 SP1 or newer.

        We continue to support legacy XP and Vista with our Legacy version, you may download the latest available version for XP and Vista by clicking here.

        Even though Malwarebytes does not recommend running operating systems that Microsoft no longer supports, we have no current plans of ending or phasing out in any form our support for Windows 7. This means that going forward, and until further notice, we will continue to support Windows 7 as we have up to this point.

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    • #2000721 Reply

      OscarCP
      AskWoody Plus

      Two questions, with thanks in advance for any clarifying answers to same:

      (1) What does it mean “test for the ability to accept extended support patches”? Test how? And when it is done “testing”, would it then send the user messages such as: “YOU DO NOT QUALIFY, SO FORGET IT!”? Or: “THIS YOUR LUCKY DAY, YOU MADE THE CUT!”? Or…? (Or is it still too early to ask?)

      (2) Also, about installing KB4519976: That, I believe, is a rollup, but I am Group B and do not install those. What else can I do instead?

      Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W(?) + Mac&Lx

      • #2000724 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Here’s what qualifies for Extended Support OS wise.
        The monthly Rollups, of which KB451997 is one, have had telemetry (KB2952664 functionality) baked in since Sept 2018.

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        • #2000750 Reply

          LHiggins
          AskWoody Plus

          So – Windows 7 Home is not included in this at all? Seems that they said that they would offer support for “any size” businesses – so why wouldn’t all versions of Win 7 be included? And what qualifies as a business? A freelance writing business can be run on Win 7 Home so why wouldn’t that “count” I wonder.

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          • #2000752 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            Pro and Enterprise are business.
            Home and Ultimate are Consumer, ie, not business.

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            • #2000947 Reply

              LHiggins
              AskWoody Plus

              Pro and Enterprise are business. Home and Ultimate are Consumer, ie, not business.

              Thanks! So I guess the only alternative right now for those with Home or Ultimate is 0Patch that Woody mentioned a while back. Guess I’ll look into it.

              But too bad really – if “business” is limited to those two versions. I’m sure there are many running Win 10 Pro who do not have a business who will be eligible for the extended support, but those who may have a legitimate business, but not Pro, aren’t.

              Wonder if there will eventually be a way around that?

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            • #2002334 Reply

              abbodi86
              AskWoody_MVP

              I would not be surprised if Ultimate get ESU support too (but only for Volume and OEM suppliers)

        • #2000761 Reply

          OscarCP
          AskWoody Plus

          So, as I do not install rollups, being Group B, would it be the same if I installed the corresponding Security Only patch, not just because it is a good idea, but also as part of my getting ready to “test for the ability to accept extended support patches”?

          Telemetry is not my concern, right now.

          Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W(?) + Mac&Lx

          • #2000771 Reply

            PKCano
            Da Boss

            The prerequisites say KB4519976, which is a Rollup, not a Security-only update.

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            • #2000774 Reply

              OscarCP
              AskWoody Plus

              Thanks, PK. I just checked at MS and KB4519976 is last month’s rollup. I have installed already last month’s Security Only and don’t want to meld it with the corresponding rollup, as who knows what that will do. So: either this requirement will become a little more comprehensive in time for the testing, or I’ll just forget about the whole thing.

              Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W(?) + Mac&Lx

            • #2000784 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              FYI, the Rollup consists of three parts: the Security-only patches, the IE11 CU, and the non-security patches (which you don’t install and which contain the telemetry piece).

            • #2000849 Reply

              OscarCP
              AskWoody Plus

              Thanks. If I understand you correctly, by installing the October Security Only and E 11 patches, I have already put in place all the parts of the rollback needed for “testing”. Right?

              Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W(?) + Mac&Lx

            • #2000897 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Not right. You need the ROLLUP KB4519976. The requirements PLAINLY state that. The Security-only patch is NOT the same thing as the Rollup. You have NOT met the requirement.

            • #2001374 Reply

              OscarCP
              AskWoody Plus

              Thanks PK: This last bit of knowledge finally sets me free from worrying about Windows bad patches after next January as, mindful of it, I will have joined by then, for ever and ever, the glorious and brave brotherhood of Group W! Hooray!

              Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W(?) + Mac&Lx

      • #2000748 Reply

        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        I don’t have the key code yet to confirm.  My assumption is that in the event log it would indicate that all parts are ready to go.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

    • #2000723 Reply

      tbsky
      AskWoody Lounger

      did anyone test how long will the win7 Monthly Quality Rollups keep cumulate? I had test windows 2012R2, it’s about a year. you need to install 2017 December Rollup before install 2018 December Rollup. so it seems possible there will be lighter Rollup after 2020 for Group-B?

      • #2000734 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        The Rollups have been cumulative since October 2016.
        Security Monthly Quality Rollups are for Group A (contain telemetry).
        Group B installs the Security Only Quality Update, which has not contained telemetry (except for July and September of 2019).

        KB4519976 is the October 2019 Rollup (Group A).

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    • #2000770 Reply

      PKCano
      Da Boss

      Food for thought:

      Win7 Home and Ultimate Editions are NOT eligible for Extended Support.
      Pro Edition (and Embedded), Windows Server (and Embedded), Enterprise, and a few others are eligible for ESUs.

      Microsoft is going to “test for the ability to accept extended support patches.”
      Before you download and install the patch, consider the test of your copy of Windows 7.

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      • #2000856 Reply

        anonymous

        PKCano, thought about it and a correction is required, as per MS notes-

        This update is not applicable for Windows 7 Virtual Desktop (WVD) and Windows 7 Embedded OS

        • #2000950 Reply

          abbodi86
          AskWoody_MVP

          The note is probably because Embedded 7 is still supported (without ESU) until 2021
          so it doesn’t need the eligibility for now

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    • #2000872 Reply

      gkarasik
      AskWoody Lounger

      I appreciate the heads-up. I have downloaded all the supposed prerequisites for the ES patches, and when I run them I’m told they exist on my system, but when I run the ES readiness-testing patch, it fails with a less-than-helpful “Installation fails” error. Are others able to get this to work?

      GaryK

    • #2000945 Reply

      Seff
      AskWoody Plus

      I guess the question for domestic users with Windows 7 Home Edition is whether we can upgrade from Home to Pro and then purchase one or two Extended Support agreements (assuming most domestic users have one or two machines as an example) – and, if so, at what total cost?

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      • #2000956 Reply

        LHiggins
        AskWoody Plus

        I guess the question for domestic users with Windows 7 Home Edition is whether we can upgrade from Home to Pro and then purchase one or two Extended Support agreements (assuming most domestic users have one or two machines as an example) – and, if so, at what total cost?

        How would one go about doing that?

        As I said above:

        …too bad really – if “business” is limited to those two versions [Pro and Enterprise]. I’m sure there are many running Win 10 Pro who do not have a business who will be eligible for the extended support, but those who may have a legitimate business, but not Pro, aren’t. Wonder if there will eventually be a way around that?

        Hopefully there will be some way for Home users to be included in the extended patches – but time is really growing short, unfortunately.

        Certainly open to suggestions!

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    • #2000976 Reply

      T
      AskWoody Plus

      I’m not quite sure I follow this; it may be too early to determine the nuts and bolts of this yet but if you’re a business using pro and you push out the security only updates every month does that mean you’re not eligible for extended support unless you use the telemetry infested rollups? Getting extended support was good news but it seems there’s now a massive caveat attached to that.

      • #2000984 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        The October ROLLUP KB4519976 is one of the required installs.
        You didn’t think MS was going to give without taking back, did you? 🙂

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        • #2000991 Reply

          T
          AskWoody Plus

          You’d think I’d have learnt this valuable lesson by now but it seems that was the key piece of information I was missing – Microsoft’s belligerence when it comes to supporting anything their users actually want to use that isn’t riddled with ads, cloud (someone else’s computer) features or telemetry. There’s a well known phrase that says ‘if you’re not paying for the product then you are the product’ but increasingly if you do pay for the product then you’re still the product.

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          • #2001154 Reply

            BobT
            AskWoody Lounger

            Yeah I’m thinking they can go *******, if they’re only offering it with telemetry.

            Will see how it goes without, then move to Linux if needed, and keep my W7 purely for gaming.

            Please follow the –Lounge Rules

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    • #2001243 Reply

      tbsky
      AskWoody Lounger

      The Rollups have been cumulative since October 2016.
      Security Monthly Quality Rollups are for Group A (contain telemetry).
      Group B installs the Security Only Quality Update, which has not contained telemetry (except for July and September of 2019).

      KB4519976 is the October 2019 Rollup (Group A).

      I don’t why windows 2012 R2 Rollup cumulate only about only 1 year. you can not jump from 2016 to 2019.  I didn’t test win7.  maybe the Rollup file size would give some clue.

    • #2001371 Reply

      Man, I sure appreciate all those here who are delving into this can of worms…after reading all the requirements, MSFT’s “99 steps  to Extended Support”, and the rest of what I can only describe as a turgid rigmarole, well, I have only one question:

      Do they take PayPal?

      <Dodges tomato>

      Oh, and do you have to go through all these steps while at a crossroads at midnight holding a black cat bone?

      Seriously, thank you all, I’ll just be sitting here in my little foxhole with my helmet on until the smoke clears.

      Win7 Pro SP1 64-bit, Dell Latitude E6330, Intel CORE i5 "Ivy Bridge", Group "Wait for the all-clear", Multiple Air-Gapped backup drives in different locations, "Don't check for updates-Full Manual Mode."
      --
      "...All the people, all the time..." (Peter Ustinov ad-lib from "Logan's Run")

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    • #2004358 Reply

      EP
      AskWoody_MVP

      to patch Lady Susan:

      I manually downloaded & tested this KB4528069 ESU update from the MS catalog site and it fails to install on a machine running “consumer” editions of Windows 7 like Home Premium and Ultimate (and no ESU key was installed)

      perhaps this update only applies to those who have valid ESU keys AND they’re running either Enterprise or Pro edition of Win7

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    • #2004381 Reply

      Susan Bradley
      AskWoody MVP

      No ESU keys are out yet.  For the record it won’t install on my pro at this time either.

      Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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