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      • #2208792 Reply
        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP
      • #2208829 Reply
        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        I just sent an email to Satya Nadella to ask him to open up Win7 patching to all given the work from home situation right now.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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        • #2208834 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          Here’s hoping he reads it.

          What a magnificent gesture!

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        • #2209542 Reply
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          we’ll have to wait & see if the April 2020 Win7 updates will be ESU based or not

        • #2209635 Reply
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          Susan

          can you also email John Cable about extending Win7 patching to non-ESU users?

          • This reply was modified 6 months, 1 week ago by EP.
      • #2208835 Reply
        Brocktoon
        AskWoody Lounger

        It would be nice if MS could flip all current Win10 updates to ‘optional’ at least until the current crisis is over.  Many of us are still going to have to cross our finger before installing the KB4551762 patch

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        PKCano
        Da Boss

        v1809 will go EOL during this time also. It would be nice if it didn’t, considering the problems with KB4551762 for 1903/1909.

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          anonymous
          Guest

          Yes 1809(EOL May 12 2020 for consumers) Home and I’m being offered 1909 and maybe a few more months to get the 1903/1909 feature update fixed of its issues. And keep 2004 from taking over as the new feature upgrade offered for the 1809 folks over the 1909 feature  upgrade that’s currently being offered as well. Because 2004 is too far ahead for driver stability vetting on a laptop(late Q1 2019 model)  that shipped with 1803 new.

          It’s hard enough going through a single feature version upgrade, driver wise, so 1809 directly to 2004 is not an option.

      • #2209080 Reply
        lurks about
        AskWoody Plus

        Maybe Covid 19 might make MS realize churning the OS just because is an idiotic idea that only causes problems for the customer. OS stability is highly valued for a reason, people can more reliably get work done.

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        • #2209413 Reply
          Ascaris
          AskWoody_MVP

          If they were only putting out the frequent feature updates “just because,” they might be somewhat inclined to see it as you do, but my bet is that MS will not do that, or extend support for older versions of 10 Pro that are still supported for enterprise, or make the security updates for 7 available to everyone.  MS has spent years pushing to get to where they are now (with most Windows users accepting the inevitability of Windows 10), and the last thing they would want to do now is to give hope to people (consumers in particular) who don’t want to ride the Windows 10 pain train.  They have to hold a hard line to keep people from thinking that Microsoft’s resolve is slipping and that they may give people a future Windows version worth waiting for.

          Those constant feature updates are not “just because.”  MS would not be doing what they are doing without a concrete reason.  The feature updates are an ideal vehicle for MS to quickly implement any Windows monetization scheme they can imagine without having more attention than is necessary drawn. They can hide the negative bits of each update behind the blaring headlines about the wonderful new features they’re giving you, so it seems more like a give-and-take.

          By making the updates so frequent, the constant drumbeat of Windows feature update becomes old hat really quickly, like the initially exciting Space Shuttle launches during the ’80s that soon barely inspired a yawn. The usual MS press releases about the wonderful new “features” that nobody asked for will draw yawns from the tech press, and the inclination to dig deeper will be minimized.  Whether or not that will actually work depends on the members of the press. With this site, I am sure it will not work.  With some of the more “Microsoft, Microsoft, rah, rah, rah” sites, it almost certainly will.

          There have been several incidents of this kind of thing that did trigger enough backlash to push Microsoft back into another “aw shucks” moment, as Woody put it, but as a strategy to reduce the likelihood of any given scheme blowing up on them, WaaS seems to be very well crafted.  Unless MS gives up on trying to cook up new ways to monetize Windows, I don’t see them ever letting up on any of the things they now have in place, even temporarily under extraordinary circumstances.  It’s taken years longer than they’d hoped, but Microsoft has finally gotten a solid majority of Windows users right where it wants them, and I can’t see them being willing to let up on that pressure, even to a minor degree.

          One thing I could reasonably see them doing would be to announce the return of the free upgrade to Windows 10 deal, which we all know never went away in the first place.  That could be their answer to anyone who would accuse them of cutting consumers off from update support in this “time of need,” and would give MS the opportunity to announce that they’re “here for you” (like five separate commercial entities with whom I do business have announced in email titles in the past week).

           

          Group "L" (Fedora 32 Linux w/ KDE Plasma).

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      • #2209121 Reply
        AlexEiffel
        AskWoody_MVP

        Versions of Windows 10 that receive extended support for Enterprise should get extended support for everyone and all Windows 7 users should receive ESU patches.

        Considering the situation, it feels rather irresponsible to not continue patching Pro versions of Windows 10 when Microsoft already spent the money on making the patches for Enterprise and other supported versions.

        I guess home users and SMBs are not worthy of security while they have so much to do with so little resources.

        Many workers will work on personal computers remotely, which is already bad enough. Many will be on Windows 7.

        Criminals are already attacking VPNs while IT staff is overworked.

        Microsoft, wake up and send security updates to everyone. You have a social responsibility.

        If it ever comes out that the security of Windows 7 have helped crooks get into corporate networks through home PC computers, I don’t think it will look good for you. You can always blame the corporations for not having moved to Windows 10 with lots of warning in advance about the end of Windows 7, but you can’t blame home users that much when their money is tight and they don’t have the same corporate security requirements.

        The fact that so many people are still on Windows 7 is something that can’t be brushed off.

        As for Windows 10, forcing people to go through testing for features updates that feels so even more unnecessary right now looks like a really bad sense of priorities.

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      • #2209215 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Microsoft announced pausing Edge updates too. This is understandable after Google paused Chrome updates which Microsoft has to copy.

        Microsoft Edge Dev
        @MSEdgeDev

        In light of the current circumstances, the Edge team will pause updating the Stable channel to Edge 81 consistent with the Chromium Project. We are committed to continued security and stability updates to Edge 80. We’ll have more to share on this next week.

        https://twitter.com/MSEdgeDev?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1241055996379664384&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.neowin.net%2Fnews%2Fmicrosoft-is-pausing-edge-updates-in-the-stable-channel-due-to-the-coronavirus%2F

      • #2209406 Reply
        Mele20
        AskWoody Lounger

        This is understandable after Google paused Chrome updates which Microsoft has to copy.

        But Microsoft does NOT need to follow Google with the regular Edge, right? I’m still on 1809 and I blocked, in the Windows Registry, any possible attempts by Microsoft to install Chredge.

        Microsoft should extend 1809’s life span for those of using Pro or Home versions of Windows 10. I do not need the extra pressure and worry that surrounds each feature update when that will just lower my immunity and make me, a high risk person, more vulnerable to Corona virus.

        Microsoft already tried to sneak 1903 onto this machine by not listing it when I ran (as I was nearing the end of the 35 day pause) wushowhide to get a list of available updates. It just suddenly started downloading after I hid the other updates that were listed. I caught it, stopped it and then decided wushowhide is NOT reliable and I immediately applied several third party applications to fully lockdown and stop Microsoft from trying something like that again.

        Edit to clarify that before I ran wushohide, I had already gone to Microsoft Catalog and downloaded and installed the February cumulative update so I ran wushowhide to see what other updates I want/need for 1809. Then after blocking Microsoft completely, I ran Belarc Advisor to make sure I had necessary security updates.

        • This reply was modified 6 months, 1 week ago by Mele20.
        • #2209539 Reply
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          Mele20 wrote:

          Microsoft should extend 1809’s life span for those of using Pro or Home versions of Windows 10. I do not need the extra pressure and worry that surrounds each feature update when that will just lower my immunity and make me, a high risk person, more vulnerable to Corona virus.

          forget about that, Mele20. they are not going to extend 1809 Home/Pro support as MS said and will stand by their decision (unless of course there is enough public pressure)

          • This reply was modified 6 months, 1 week ago by EP.
          • This reply was modified 6 months, 1 week ago by EP.
      • #2209436 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        But Microsoft does NOT need to follow Google with the regular Edge, right?

        Right.

        Microsoft was referring to ChrEdge.

        New ChrEdge update :

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