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      • #2307477 Reply
        Susan Bradley
        Da Boss

        So the other day I had a misbehaving computer that wouldn’t boot.  After I reset the cmos battery it booted up and is working like a champ.  But it go
        [See the full post at: Patch Lady – how old is that computer?]

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2307484 Reply
        aristofeles
        AskWoody Plus

        Had to search in my email – on next month, November, my main PC – a Dell Optiplex 980, an i7 870, will celebrate it’s 10th birthday!

        Had to upgrade to an SSD, and the video card is a GT1030 so I can get 2160p, and with only 8G DDR3 (it’s enough, no VM on this machine).
        Use it every day for everything, but most with Remote Desktop Manager to get to ton of clients, and personally Lightroom for my photos and a customized 2160p/HDR version of Kodi as a media center.

        Hope to use it for at least another 5 years, since thanks to covid my country is on a recession even bigger our normal :-/

      • #2307488 Reply
        Kirsty
        Da Boss

        I have a mothballed Win7 Dell desktop, that I was wanting to update to win8.1, but found that no drivers existed to support an upgrade. I would love to get it going again, as a backup device, but haven’t found the time to give it a try, yet.
        Maybe it’s worth a try, after all?

        • #2307506 Reply
          Ascaris
          AskWoody_MVP

          No drivers exist truly, or just none are available from Dell?

          I updated my Asus F8 laptop that came with Vista x86 to Windows 7 x64, then Windows 8.1 x64,  and I found drivers for everything. Not from the Asus support page for my model, though– it had XP and Vista x86, and that was it.

          If you find a component that does not have a driver, you can usually grab the device ID from the ! error symbol’s listing in the Device Manager and search that along with “driver” and the version of Windows you are aiming for. Sometimes they come from other OEMs, but that’s not usually a problem. It’s best to get each of the drivers from one or the other OEM rather than a third party source.

          There’s also Linux, of course, if the other option is to keep the PC mothballed. When I put Linux on the same F8 laptop, everything worked right at the first boot, save the fingerprint reader. I had to do something to get that to work, though it’s been years and I do not recall the details.

          Group "L" (KDE Neon Linux 5.20.3 User Edition)

          • #2307550 Reply
            Kirsty
            Da Boss

            As you suspect, I checked Dell’s driver versions, and it had nothing available for Win8.1. When I get a chance, I’ll see about other possible driver options. Thanks for the encouragement 🙂

        • #2307919 Reply
          Canadian Tech
          AskWoody_MVP

          Kristy, follow my process to do this: https://www.askwoody.com/2019/canadian-tech-how-to-rebuild-a-win7-system-with-minimal-snooping/

          I’ve done this a lot. If you do it right, you will be delighted.

          CT

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          • #2307961 Reply
            Kirsty
            Da Boss

            Thanks CT. I have followed your earlier process to rebuild a Win7 machine, but in this case, I was hoping to get Win8.1 as the end result, when resurrecting the dormant machine 🙂

      • #2307502 Reply
        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        2 Home built Desktops (2013), 1 HP Laptop (2014), 1 Home built Desktop (Sept. 2019). All seem to work quite well and run pretty fast.

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

        • #2307682 Reply
          CADesertRat
          AskWoody Plus

          Just to add, I have 2 old desktops (XP Pro, Win 7 Pro), an old HP Pavillion with W7 Pro just sitting in storage since they wouldn’t upgrade to W10. All of them way too old in hardware to upgrade.

          Looks like there are many older computers listed that are using W10 (2013 or older vintage).    🙂

          Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
          4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

      • #2307503 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I have a Lenovo Y50 Laptop, will be 6 years old in December. I changed right away to an SSD drive after my purchase. 2 months ago I upgraded my Ram from 8GB to 16GB it runs fine and I do not see a need to replace it any time soon.

         

      • #2307515 Reply
        Still Anonymous
        AskWoody Lounger

        Although I moved to a newer machine about 16 months ago, my previous daily machine was a ThinkPad W530 that I’ve upgraded to Windows 10.  It’s still quite solid, enough where there wasn’t necessarily a compelling reason to replace.

        I have a desktop machine that I swapped out a couple of months ago for a refurb of similar specs — I kept my RAM and peripherals, and changed out only the motherboard and processor and case, because for the shop I was working with, they didn’t have a compatible motherboard that fit my case.  That motherboard was 11 years old, and died when capacitors failed.

        With windows, it’s noteworthy that hardware demand hasn’t significantly increased since Windows 7.  If a machine ran with Win 7, and all the standard apps (browser, mail client and office suite), it’s fine running on Windows 10, unless there’s issues with drivers that don’t support Win 10. An SSD can help with performance, but if the machine has 8GB of RAM, that’s sufficient for typical use.

        To me the thing that is the driver for whether to replace a machine or not would be laptops and how much they travel.  The more time a computer spends in the bag, the more abuse it gets, and that will affect the working lifespan.  However, business-grade computers with better parts and build quality will handle travel much better than consumer-grade computers. On the other hand, if you have a consumer-grade computer (say, an HP Pavilion or Dell Inspiron) even those can last 5 years or longer if they spend most of their time on a desktop and don’t get rough handling from being moved around, whether being put in a bag, or walked around with the lid open.

        As for reconditioned computers, it’s important to know just what “reconditioned” means, and how much work is being done. To me, the essential thing is with moving parts. In particular, that’s hard drives, and I strongly urge making sure that a reconditioned machine has a new drive.  A couple of years back, I got burned on a reconditioned machine off-lease, where the only work had been done was physical cleaning of the case, and reimaging the drive. I ended up having to replace the machine less than a year later, when a Patch Tuesday update to Office 365 was disruptive.  I’m convinced that the machine would have been much sturdier had we verified that the drive was new.

        If buying a reconditioned desktop machine, I consider it essential to replace the CPU fan and the power supply (or at least the fan in the power supply).

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      • #2307516 Reply
        Will Fastie
        AskWoody_MVP

        So the other day I had a misbehaving computer that wouldn’t boot.  After I reset the cmos battery it booted up and is working like a champ.  But it go
        [See the full post at: Patch Lady – how old is that computer?]

        Depends upon the laptop. My wife’s older Toshiba has an SSD, which greatly increased its life, but regrettably is maxed out with RAM. The processor can handle more but the device was built with a 4GB limit. Currently runs Win 7 but will be updated to Win 10 soon.

        Other than that, I have two older Dells:

        • 2013 OptiPlex 790, 4GB RAM (supports 16GB), newer HDD, used for testing, Win 10 Pro. If I add SSD and more RAM, this should last even longer.
        • 2009 Vostro 220, 4GB RAM Max, newer HDD, used for fun, has two drives and a switch for booting either Win 7 or Win 10. A little creaky, though; probably needs SSDs.

        My daily driver is a 2015 DIY Win 10 Pro box. Several years left on it for sure, but now at 5 years I need to replace the two HDDs that are mirrored for my D: drive. SSD for boot, 16GB (32GB max). Remains remarkably peppy.

        There are some fabulous, almost amazing deals on refurbs, especially from MicroCenter. I’ve outfitted several friends with them to replace even older PCs and everyone’s been happy. Around $300 for most of them (box + 8 or 16 RAM + modest SSD (!) plus Win 10 Pro (!) + keyboard). For another $200 you can get a real screamer. These are not gaming machines but they are very capable.

      • #2307517 Reply
        KWGuy
        AskWoody Plus

        My Dell Dimension 2400 Win XP desktop and HP printer will be SEVENTEEN years old next month.  Used weekly with original software and runs like a champ!!!  Of course, it’s internet days are long over.  Only hardware upgrades were RAM; it’s now rockin an entire 1 Gig!  And, yes, I have much younger Win 10 computers for daily work.  They don’t make them like they used to.

         

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      • #2307518 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I have two desktop computers, one a Dell XPS 4770 and the other an HP-Envy desktop, that are both Intel Haswell chipsets (the Dell is a core i7 4770 and the HP is a core i5 4440), both with 12 Gb ram, 10 or 12 USB ports (half 2.0 and half 3.0), DVD combo drives and 1 Tb (Dell) or 2 Tb (HP) HDD. Neither has an SSD installed. Both are running Windows 7 x64 sp1 fully updated through the end of service date. The Dell is nearly seven years old; and the HP is six years old; and both are, and always have been, running beautifully: reliable, fast and problem free. I have an even older 17 inch laptop – a Dell XPS 17 with a second generation Intel core i5 2450m that is almost nine years old, with 8 Gb ram and 1 Tb HDD, and DVD combo drive. It still runs Windows 7 x64 sp1 just fine, though I only use it maybe twice a week for a couple hours at a time. Its DVD combo drive creates, copies, formats and erases DVD’s better and with fewer errors and problems than any of the other computers. The laptop that I’m now on is an HP Omen Intel core i7 7700HQ with 128 Gb SSD and 1 Tb HDD and 8 Gb ram, with a manufactured date almost exactly three years ago. I just upgraded it tonight from Windows 10 Home version 2004 to 20H2. The upgrade was super smooth and went as quickly as any monthly cumulative update and no problems at all. I far prefer the Windows 7 x64 sp1 operating system to any other Windows OS I have ever used, certainly far more than any version of Windows 10. So, for my common home use and home wi-fi, I plan to keep using these computers until they die. When both desktop computers no longer operate reliably, I will reluctantly purchase a Windows 10 Pro desktop, probably the latest Dell with an Intel core i5 or i7, and think back to the good old days of Windows 7.

         

      • #2307522 Reply
        Mele20
        AskWoody Lounger

        Dells from their small business division . One is an XPS desktop from three years ago and runs Windows 10 1809. The older desktop is also an XPS 8500 and it will be eight years old in a few days. It is running Windows 8.0 Pro because back in the day I did not want 8.1 for a variety of reasons. I did not think it would last this long on the ocean with no air conditioning as this environment is hard on them. I learned long ago to never turn desktops off here as that is deadly for them as corrosion occurs much faster if you do. Come to think of it though, my first computer (also Dell Dimension with 98SE and then XP Pro lasted eight years and the newer Dells are more corrosion resistant).

        I loved XP and Windows 8 Pro is ok. I did Microsoft beta of Windows 7, hated it and will never use it. Windows 10 Pro would be so much better if Microsoft would stop with the insane pace of updates to newer versions. 1809 has been fine. I dread moving on soon.

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      • #2307524 Reply
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        I have a local-built computer of April 2013 with Windows 2004 (just updated from 1909 ), Intel chips, and currently offline.

        G{ot backup} BetaTest
        offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WUMgr
        online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.630 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox84.0b4 WindowsDefender TRV=2004 WUMgr
      • #2307527 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        ? says:

        hi Susan,

        trick question? i flipped over the acer laptop i got from the Goodwill in Seattle and the tag reads, MFG DATE: KS 071227 which i translate to be December 27th 2007. It was languishing on the shelf and i picked it up for $5.00 (did not boot.) i looked up a utube video and followed the instructions down to the bottom of the main board and popped out the factory button battery popped in a new one and volia bios screen appeared. i have run win98, ME, XP, Vista, and 7 on the old girl along with an assortment of Linux distros as well.  and yes she runs all the operating systems i have booted on her much faster than i can type. well, maybe i don’t type that fast either. i do disable spellchecker because i enjoy a challenge…

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      • #2307528 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        My oldest PC is an eleven year old Dell Vostro laptop with Windows 7 Pro.  It’s still running strong even though a surge from a lightning strike knocked out its built-in Ethernet adapter when it was only two years old (also fried a firewall router and backup power supply/surge protector at the time). Couple years after that the hard drive started to fail so replaced it with another HDD as a SSD was still too expensive then. About a year ago finally put in a SSD, replaced the battery and re-installed a fresh copy of the OS. It flies now, feels like a brand new system!

        Otherwise my primary desktop system a Dell Inspiron is only a couple years old. About six months in replaced its HDD with a SSD, installed a discrete Nvidia graphics card (to drive two 27″ monitors) then wiped Windows 10 from it and installed Windows 8.1 Pro (with Classic Shell) instead. Works sooo much better and once again I have full native control over updates as well as no longer have to play the feature release dance anymore. Plan to keep it for quite a while!

      • #2307531 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        DIY desktop built in March 2010 with an AMD Phenom II X4 processor. I’ve added ram to 8GB and an SSD. Still running fine with Windows 10 but with every Windows upgrade I expect to run into driver issues with the video card.

      • #2307597 Reply
        mn–
        AskWoody Lounger

        Well this specific one is from late 2012 or early 2013, forgot the exact manufacturing date… but was available from 2012. And I run Linux on this thing anyway.

        Oldest things that my immediate family members run Windows 10 on are from 2007, there’s actually several, both laptops and desktops.

        Then again we only quite recently gave up on keeping the old 486/33 with Windows 3.10 running…

        But, single examples are sort of different from the organizational thing.

        I can honestly get more than four years out of a computer… “Most faculty, staff, and students will find their needs will be easily met by this year’s “standard desktop,” which is designed to provide sufficient performance for at least 4 years. ” Laptops are a bit harder, especially if you want something portable, but desktop style you can get five and more years out of it.

        That probably means that if it gets a hardware fault, it’s repaired and not replaced if it isn’t older than 4 years. (Possibly out of warranty, so you might get a new motherboard with your old serial number or something like that…)

        I know some organizations that do exactly that.

        And if it does last longer, then that’s just a bonus for the IT budget.

        At least one largish organization does this “repair for 4 years”, then “replace with new standard model if it breaks” for some years, and eventually at a certain point after that, “automatic replace even if not broken”.

        Oh well, got a nicely priced ~7 year old PC chassis out of that organization once, and it ran fine for some years with a new HDD… then the power supply started acting up, replaced that too and…

        Some other organizations never go to automatic replace.

      • #2307606 Reply
        radosuaf
        AskWoody Lounger

        My mom has Windows 10 on a E8400 & 8GB RAM with SSD and it gets the job done. Nowadays if it has a SSD and 8GB of RAM, it will do whatever office job you will throw at it.

        MSI H110 PC MATE * Intel Core i5-6402P * 2 x 8 GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133 MHz * Aorus Radeon RX 570 4GB * Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD * Western Digital Blue 1TB HDD * Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI * Windows 10 Pro 2004 64-bit
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      • #2307613 Reply
        JohnR
        AskWoody Plus

        The computer I am using at present is a bit like grandpa’s old axe that has had 2 new handles and 3 new blades and is as good as new! The case is from an HP Pavilion Media Centre desktop I bought about 11 years ago which kept going until this year. The processor is a Core i5 4590 that I bought second hand for A$29, the motherboard is a Gigabyte that was cheap because it was only compatible with 4th gen Intel processors, the RAM is 8Gb DDR4 left over from a previous build whose ASRock motherboard developed a fault, the graphics card is a Gigabyte Nvidia GT 240 bought about 9 years ago which drives 2 BenQ 1920×1080 monitors perfectly well, and it is all powered by a fairly old Corsair 450W power supply. Win 10 1909 Pro resides in a Samsung 250Gb SSD, and data lives in a 2Tb Seagate HDD. Wifi is via an Edimax USB 802.11ac device.

        When this fails I have a newer HP desktop with a Core i5 8400 Hexacore processor to fall back on. This processor was let down a bit by the 2Tb HDD which was a bit slow so the HDD has been replaced with a 1Tb Samsung SSD which I cloned with the HDD using the Samsung software and am now updating to Win 10 2004 Pro. I am hoping that this will be a fairly responsive machine.

        My test machine has another Core i5 4590 on an old ASRock motherboard with 8Gb of RAM and an old 500 Gb Seagate HDD all mounted in a very dated looking but perfect beige/blue case that I picked up free from our local e-waste facility. This has Win10 2004 Pro and I have yet to find any problems with the operating system. The monitor was bought in a garage sale for A$10 and works perfectly.

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      • #2307635 Reply
        MrToad28
        AskWoody Lounger

        I just bought a refurbished Win 10 [1st Win10]..when I unpacked and checked components the HDD was manufactured in 2013..I have several Win7s of similar vintage…they’re working fine..only reason I got the Win10 pro box was that tax software won’t run on win7.

        Correcting, I have 3 Win7’s bought refurbished that were manufactured in 2009..another one died.

      • #2307662 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        With extra time on my hands due to covid, I recently revived an old gaming system of mine originally build in early 2006. It sports an Athlon X2 6400+ black edition cpu, Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard, 4 gigs of dual channel DDR2 800 memory, and a newish 1Tb hard drive. Originally it had two nVidia 6800XT video cards (good old SLI!). But one blew up long ago, so it now has a Radeon 5700 series card in it. I still had a copy of the XP drive image from just before it was decommissioned which it runs as its primary OS. But it also run Window 10 1909 without much issue either.

        However, my oldest functioning machine has an AMD-K6-2 500 MHz cpu, with a whopping 256 Mb of PC-133 RAM and runs Windows 98! Every so often I pull it out to satisfy my nostalgia for the good old days of DOS gaming.

      • #2307666 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Personal computer:

        • My oldest working computer is Windows 95 about 25 years old now.
        • After that, my Windows 98 about 23 years old finally failed about 1 year ago and can not find a replacement PSU for it. Can not get to some of my programs that work only on it. Use it online until is fail in 2019.
        • After that, my Windows 2000 about 20 years is still on line daily.
        • After that, my Windows Xp about 17 or so. rescued from my work place. They want to throw it out since PSU and GPU failed. I replaced them and still works. My main machine for now that Windows 7 is down….
        • After that my Windows 7 about 10 years, failed about 3 months ago….need to find a GPU and possible motherboard replacement so that I can get back to work online.
        • After that my Windows 8 about 7 years, failed about 3 years ago. Can not find the right parts to replace and fix it.

        Company

        • Cobol machines from 1960… still works great
        • Windows 3.1 machines – not sure of age still works with minor problems with the machines
        • Windows 98 machies about 22 years and some of them have issues with GPU but all other work great
        • Windows 2000 were retired and are in storage just in case are need.
        • Windows Xp machines mostly from 2003 but some are from 2011 and 2015 refresh were windows 7 was removed and installed Xp.. still working and paying MS support for extended support. Got IE 11 updates that causes issues but still working
        • Windows 7 mostly from 2011 and 2015 program that are kept as spare to install Windows Xp machines if they fail. Not use in daily active
        • Windows 8 machines from 2016 -2017 are all broken and awaiting IT to repair them
        • Currently IT is purchasing old hardware from Windows XP to Windows 7 to have in stock for our machines that do not work on newer OS systems.

         

        As you can see the older computer work better and longer than the new computers that are design to break down after X amount of years.

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      • #2307679 Reply
        wavy
        AskWoody Plus

        Well my new one is from last year, but I have been dragggggiiinnnggg my feet over getting it up for use as my main. My main is from 2014 as a W7 Pro machine now W10. Previous not used is my XP machine (now virtualized). I can’t remember when that was built. Nostalgia mode off.

        🍻

        Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
      • #2307695 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Oldest ATM is a home built currently serving as HTPC.   It’s a Universal Abit MB running an intel Core2Quad.   Had a DRAM fail and buying a new pair was expensive compared to current RAM.  It has been running Win 8.1 but the HDD just failed and I have to decide if I should reload 8.1 or try if I can get Win 10 to install.  I actually was using WMC on 8.1  to manage ATSC tuners for broadcast TV  even after MS killed off the program guide as it didn’t need much maintenance .  It does need periodic fan replacement as those things don’t last.

        I tried in in place upgrade of a Win 7 Toshiba laptop to Win 10 but setup would always fail and roll back.

      • #2307698 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        We have a fleet of 20 Dell desktops that are ending their 7th year of service. They are all sitting in a now-empty office, humming away, operated by Remote Desktop. Planning to replace them this year with the expectation we will eventually return to the office.

      • #2307709 Reply
        Phil F
        AskWoody Plus

        My current daily driver is an Acer TravelMate Core i3-380M (Arrandale) laptop purchased in 2011 with Windows 7 Pro. In 2016, I swapped out its 4GB of RAM for 8GB and replaced the HDD with a 512GB SSD, during the countdown period (?) for free upgrade to Win 10. Since June 2016, it has been running Win 10 Pro, currently at 2004. Initially, there were problems with intermittent loss of wi-fi a few times a day that I finally resolved with the purchase of a cheap USB wi-fi adapter.  It was during this period that I discovered IObit Driver Booster, a useful tool in the hunt for Windows drivers.

      • #2307753 Reply
        Al Taylor
        AskWoody Plus

        but regrettably is maxed out with RAM. The processor can handle more but the device was built with a 4GB limit.

        It might not necessarily be “maxed out with RAM”.  One of my older HP laptops (from 2013) has specs that say it’s limited to 8GB, however, it happily runs with 16GB installed.

      • #2307765 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        2012 stock Intel rig 8300 sff Elite core I-5
        went thru h*** for 3 weeks upgrading to ver 2004
        scared it was a force hardware conspiracy via MS & Intel.
        turns out was just corrupted, irreperable update records (Tried everything, but nada)
        had an old win7 bakup SSD and smooth update to 2004
        Now no problems, even with old Qualcom wifi card
        maybe I should try that old grfx card now :}}

      • #2307859 Reply
        Michael Dugger
        AskWoody Plus

        My custom PC was purchased in August 2013, and I see many other users with computers that old. It still holds up and passes VR stress tests and other performance benchmarks. It’s a sturdy, reliable beast.

      • #2307902 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I bought a refurb Thinkpad T450S that I am currently using in my home office. It had an Intel Core i7-5600U processor, 12 gb ram, and a 1TB spinning drive. I also bought a used docking station for it and am running two HP 1920 x 1080 displays. The docking station has more sockets than I will ever need. It is perfect for my use and the cost for the laptop + docking station was less than $600; well spent.

      • #2307917 Reply
        Canadian Tech
        AskWoody_MVP

        Woody, I am kind of the king of older computers. I still look after nearly 120 machines. My clients have not bought a new computer in years. The average age of these computers is about 7 or 8 years. some of them north of 12 years. With very few exceptions they have had their hard drives replaced and now have what I call a “Final State” installation of Windows 7. They are all backed up with a set of DVD’s with a system image.

        Laptops do not fare well as they get older. They are subject to damage from being moved around and are much less repairable due to their parts sizes and limited competition for parts replacements.

        My clients are just plain home users. Most all of them have other digital devices like pads and smart phones which comprise a greater portion of their time. But, for a computer, win7 “Final State” serves their purposes well. I expect the majority of these computers will be working just fine up until the day that Bit Defender and/or Chrome are no longer supported for Win7. My guess is that is probably another 5 years. Most of them now have a 3 year subscription to Bit Defender installed recently.

        The beauty of “Final State” is that Microsoft updating does not happen ever, or at all. they have not been “updaed” since May 2017. IE is out and Chrome is in. The result is a solid state, rarely changing system that just wakes up every morning and behaves exactly the way it did the day before. Exactly what a home user really wants.

        CT

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        • #2308014 Reply
          RTEsysadmin
          AskWoody Plus

          Twelve years?

          I truly believed that I was the king. I bow to you.

          OTOH, with exploits for Windows 7 running rampant, as always happens immediately after an OS goes EOL, I’m done with it. Besides, everyone I know with a machine that old tells me that they’ve been wanting to upgrade for some time, and they’re always happy when I give them a little nudge.

          Group K(ill me now)
          • #2308022 Reply
            Canadian Tech
            AskWoody_MVP

            Please keep in mind, again, my clients are home users, who are not at all anxious to spend hard-earned money to replace something that fulfills their needs quite satisfactorily. My mission is and always has been to maximize the value my clients get from their system investments.

            What my clients want and what I do is absolutely opposite to what Microsoft and the many related businesses want. They created the problem about 5 or 6 years ago when they delivered an absolutely perfect OS (Windows 7, which is actually Vista SP3) and hardware that holds up significantly better than they did before that.

            As of May 2017, Win7 was about as good as it ever was going to be. Shutting down Microsoft’s opportunity to louse our systems up with bad and completely unnecessary “updates” was called for in my opinion. I did that for all my clients. After nearly 5000 computer use months without one single problem arising, I am certain that I was
            and continue to be right.

            I realize that the vast majority of techies in the world and IE managers believe I am stark raving mad. My clients are constantly being told that I am misleading them. Then they start their computer up and it works perfectly fine. Same as it did the day before and the day before that.

            Those paranoid techies are correct when it comes to their enterprise considerations. But, their mom, dad, uncles, aunts, and grandparents are not enterprises, and that update paranoia is just a waste of time and money. All they want is to be able to reliably use their email browse the web, and play a few games. Maybe even play some tunes and see some videos. Their 10 year old dual core does it all without a problem. All of this provided someone replaced the hard drive and re-installed Windows7 and limiting windows updates in the manner I describe in detail at: https://www.askwoody.com/2019/canadian-tech-how-to-rebuild-a-win7-system-with-minimal-snooping/

            CT

      • #2307945 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        ? say:

        CT you are the king of Windows in my humble opinion. your posts on Microsoft Answers were the only ones that helped me fix the problems. do you think it is possible to install win7 on a removable usb using your link from above #2307919? thank you.

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        • #2307947 Reply
          Canadian Tech
          AskWoody_MVP

          Anonymous (I really dislike this idea), I thank you for that praise.

          I have never tried that, but as long as you can get the machine to boot to that drive, I see no reason you it would not work just fine.

          I will be interested to learn of your success.

          What is the link number you refer to???

          CT

          • #2307949 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            ? says:

            thank you for your reply CT. i was speaking about your post above to Kristy #2307919. i have 4 or 5 years  experience running linux distro’s on sandisk 32gb usb’s (no HDD) and have wanted to try win7 in the same fashion. i know i could run VM’s but i like the throw-away nature of the usb setups. i may have to go to the local MicroCenter and pick up a machine with a fast usb port since this Acer from 2007/2008 would probably no give pleasing performance. anyway, thank you for all the years of help you have given the windows crowd…

      • #2308006 Reply
        Marty
        AskWoody Plus

        My home-built Windows 7 desktop machine is 9 years old, and running fine. I keep it offline, but it is excellent for burning CDs and DVDs with Nero, and for printing on my Laserjet 6P, which is over 20 years old and which requires a parallel port.

        Not having wanted to adopt Windows 10, I switched to Macs for everyday use, and have never regretted that decision.

        • #2308012 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          OMG! A LaserJet 6P.
          Where in the world do you get the cartridges?

          • #2308474 Reply
            Kirsty
            Da Boss

            It’s surprising that you can still purchase compatible and refilled cartridges for the 6P (and other old HP laserjets)!

            I don’t care to think how many years ago I traded in my old HP5l for a far quicker MFP – I recently found the invoice, and it was around 5x the price of a new model, and about half the page output. I don’t really miss the first laser printer I owned 😉

            • #2308506 Reply
              mn–
              AskWoody Lounger

              I traded in my old HP5l… I don’t really miss the first laser printer I owned

              Well yeah, that’s understandable – several of the “L” versions were quite bad. Especially with the driver dependencies…

          • #2308538 Reply
            Marty
            AskWoody Plus

            I stocked up years ago.  Still have an unopened box from Office Depot from 2014.  They seem to keep forever in storage.

      • #2308010 Reply
        RTEsysadmin
        AskWoody Plus

        Some IT folks who are friendly with their CFOs will replace machines when they have been fully depreciated, but that makes no sense to me. The extra labor required to configure a new machine is not depreciable, and it makes more sense (to me, anyway) to spend my time looking for and solving actual problems and providing better functionality for users. Upgrading a slow machine with more memory and an SSD is easy and takes less time.

        For business workstations, I want a machine to last six years and then die on day 6 years + 1. For home users, I want ten years from a machine. This requires investing in good machines up front instead of the cheapest available, but the savings on the back end make up for it.

        On the other hand, my main personal workstation, from which I administer several fairly distinct networks, is a 7-year-old 4th-generation Core i7 from Dell. Frankly, it’s more than I need, and the longer I can put off spending two weeks moving everything to a new machine and getting it configured the way I like it, the easier my life is.

        Group K(ill me now)
        • #2308013 Reply
          Canadian Tech
          AskWoody_MVP

          RTE. A re-install of Windows will bring like-new performance. When you do the re-installation, leave out all the OEM stuff and anything else no longer used.

          If you would follow a routine that does this on laptops after 3 to 4 years and desktops after 4 to 5 years, with a strong consideration of a simultaneous hard drive replacement, you will discover your computers will perform well for you for a lot longer.

          I have some clients with P4’s and dual’s that are 10 or 12 years old and for them, perform more than meeting their needs.

          CT

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        anonymous
        Guest

        Four years? Pfft. This one I’m using now is 5.5 years old, and was weak to begin with, and used previous ones longer. Here’s my full system history:

        – 1992: 386 SX 16 MHz, 512 kb probably Trident video card, 2 Mb RAM and I think 120 Mb HDD. Some chance it may have just been 80 Mb.
        – 1994: 486 DX2 66 MHz, same video card as above, 4 Mb RAM later upgraded to 8 Mb, 540 Mb HDD.
        – 1998: Pentium II 266 MHz, S3 Virge 4 Mb, 32 Mb SDR 66 MHz RAM later upgraded to 64 Mb, 3.2 Gb HDD with a 20 Gb one added I think in late 2001.
        – 2002: Pentium 4A 2 GHz, GeForce 2 Ti 64 Mb, 512 Mb DDR RAM which in 2006 went down to 256 Mb as one module failed, the 20 Gb HDD mentioned above replaced with a 160 Gb one I think at the start of 2005.
        – 2008: Core 2 Duo E8400 3 GHz dual-core, initially GeForce 8400 256 Mb upgraded to GeForce GTS 250 1 Gb in 2009, 2 Gb DDR2 1066 MHz 5-5-5-15 RAM, initially 500 Gb HDD replaced with a 250 Gb 10000 rpm one in early 2013 (a 500 Gb remained as backup, as the plan was 240 Gb SSD + 250 Gb HDD as main, but dropped the SSD idea).
        – 2015: Pentium G3440 3.3 GHz dual-core, just using the integrated graphics, 4 Gb DDR3 1600 MHz 9-9-9-24 RAM, at first same HDDs as the upgraded configuration above but OS on the 500 Gb one, 250 Gb SSD added in 2018.

        So, before this one, that makes for 2, 4, 4, 6, 7 years between them, with some storage, two RAM and one video card upgrade (and one RAM downgrade) in between. And plan is to hold on to this one for another year now…

        On the other hand, the computer my father uses is 11 years old now…

        And I have a TV tuner in mine that’s 16 years old. Doesn’t seem like they even make such things anymore, and I can’t understand why. Oh, and my monitor is 13.5 years old.

        — Cavalary

      • #2308371 Reply
        TaskForce141
        AskWoody Lounger

        I have a work-issued HP Elitebook for work-from-home (i7-6600U, 8 GB ram); a loud, overheating piece of junk with a tiny 11-in. screen.  And a Dell Inspiron 17-in. laptop, circa 2014 (i3-4030U, 4 GB ram) acting as a media center for the TV; a great find from the Dell Outlet.  But my main driver:

        Dell Poweredge 400SC

        • 2003, came with:  Pentium 4 HT 2.4 ghz, 384 MB Ram, ATI Rage XL 8 MB ram video, 40 GB HDD, floppy drive, Win XP.
        • Various parts swapped in/out (optical drives, video).  Power supply replaced once.
        • 2020, maxed out at: Pentium 4 HT 3.2 ghz, 4 GB Ram, Nvidia GT610 512 MB ram video, 240 GB Intel SSD, Win 7.   And the floppy drive still works!

        Visitors are often astounded to see 1080p Youtube streaming fine on an old P4.  But the old machine is beginning to slow on many sites now (even with ad-blocking), thanks to terrible web designers and the dozen or so 3rd party content delivery domains that every site seems to have now.

        • #2308461 Reply
          mn–
          AskWoody Lounger

          Pentium 4 HT 3.2 ghz, 4 GB Ram, Nvidia GT610 512 MB … Visitors are often astounded to see 1080p Youtube streaming fine on an old P4.

          … don’t see why, that thing might well do 2160p too if you can feed the data to GPU fast enough – GT610 is a “VP5” feature level GPU.

          1080p without any GPU assist in decoding is doable on a P4 3.2 GHz with less efficient compression methods, but you don’t see those all that much online.

          BTDT, my first digital SLR camera body had a max video resolution of … what was it again, 1536×1080 or something like that… largish files… did the editing on a 3.something GHz P4 and made a DVD of a relative’s wedding.

      • #2308548 Reply
        James Bond 007
        AskWoody Lounger

        I still have 2 systems running on P67 motherboards which make them close to 10 years old. The graphics cards on them (GTX 660 / GTX 650 Ti) are about 8 years old. One is running on Windows 7 / Windows 8.1 and the other is running on Windows 8.1 / Windows 10 LTSB 2015 (Testing purpose only) / Windows 7.

        As of now, I am firmly convinced that the “security threat” from the so-called Windows vulnerabilities are largely exaggerated (except one or two such as “EternalBlue”). I keep Windows 7 on every one of my PCs (old and recent), still connected to LAN and internet, and they have been and are working fine.

        Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.

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