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      • #2305006 Reply
        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        When Microsoft first included Flash in the operating system I thought it was a bad idea.  Flash is/was often how attackers wiggled into systems.  So i
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      • #2305026 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I liked Flash in the old days, simply because it was a small download to bring a unified (video, audio, scripting) experience to the big three OSes: Windoze, Linux, and Mac.

        The alternative was Java, which in those days was super heavy for dialup connections and many processors struggled to run the applets smoothly.

        Yes, Macromedia/Adobe could/should have done more to guard against the obvious security vulnerabilities, but that is water under the bridge.

        Once HTML5 became available, I jumped to that and haven’t looked back.  As for vulnerabilities — IE/Edge/Chrome/Firefox/Safari/……. have even more perpetual vulnerabilities than Flash 🙂  Basically if you need something to be secure, you must keep it isolated from all networks/external hardware/etc. It’s not practical nor scalable for most applications.

      • #2305028 Reply
        F A Kramer
        AskWoody Plus

        Thank you for bring this to the  attention of the AskWoody faithful.

        If I had encountered this unexpectedly on my computer, I would have likely viewed it as a phishing attempt or some sort of malware and have been reluctant to click on the uninstall button.  I have come to distrust anything “unrequested” that appears on my computer.

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      • #2305038 Reply
        PaulK
        AskWoody Lounger
      • #2305046 Reply
        Bundaburra
        AskWoody Plus

        I uininstalled Flash many months ago.  So why am I currently being offered a Flash update – KB4580325?  Should I install this, or drop it on the floor?

        Is it the same reason why I am also offered an update (KB4481252) for Silverlight, which was uninstalled even longer ago?

        Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 2004

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        • #2305077 Reply
          Coldheart9020
          AskWoody Lounger

          I uininstalled Flash many months ago.

          The screenshot in the OP, which is what I’m sure you’re referring to, is Flash for your web browser.

          KB4580325 is a Flash security update for Windows which is independent of the application for web browsers.

      • #2305123 Reply
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        When Microsoft first included Flash in the operating system I thought knew it was a bad idea. – Fixed that comment for my view.
        Embedded flash was one of the things that put me off upgrading from Win7 back in the day.
        A continuation of exploits was inevitable historically and integrating flash was, IMO, a sorry move for Win8-W10
        Why oh why? I’ll certainly be glad to see the back of it anyway.
        Wonder if it’s in 20H2 (v2009) or whatever they are calling it?

        Win8.1 Pro | Linux Hybrids | Win7 Pro O/L | WinXP O/L
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        • #2305433 Reply
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          yes flash is still there in 20H2, Microfix

          the 21Hx releases in 2021 could end up being the first “flash-free” versions

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      • #2305127 Reply
        Save_Us_from_MS
        AskWoody Lounger

        I haven’t installed October patches yet. Is this Flash uninstaller going to be automatically pushed by Windows Update or do you have to do it manually?

      • #2305143 Reply
        kstephens43
        AskWoody Plus

        I agree Flash is a pain to deal with.  I subscribe to COMCAST cable.  On their main site, it has been necessary to have flash, or I could not see their news videos.

        One day, when Flash on their site did not seem to be working, I thought it was because I had tweaked Flash on my computer.  When I contacted COMCAST, they said that their entire site was messed up because Flash had “gone berserk.”

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      • #2305155 Reply
        access-mdb
        AskWoody MVP

        I have  Seagate GoFlex NAS and this requires Flash. Can’t find anything online about getting to the admin page sans Adobe Flash, so does anyone know how I can get to this?

        • #2305203 Reply
          Michael Austin
          AskWoody Plus

          I might still have Seagate disc management software on my PC, and your post makes me wonder why my deletion of Adobe’s version of Flash didn’t also remove the ‘Flash Player (32-bit)’ option in the computer’s Control Panel.

          Finance, social and tech founder. Co-founder of a global, gamified, crowd-sourced ESG advertising platform, and managing director of new crowd sourced games, both in pre-release development. My planet-wide talk show for people craving new stories by which to live is Casual Saints.

      • #2305163 Reply
        agoldhammer
        AskWoody Plus

        I don’t think I have used Flash for the past three years.  Once HTML5 was in place Flash was redundant and I never had any apps that required it.  Adobe Lightroom had a feature from the beginning on how to create Flash driven photo web galleries but I always used static HTML for that because of the security issues.  Flash had its time in the sun when there was not an alternative.

      • #2305202 Reply
        Michael Austin
        AskWoody Plus

        Adobe yesterday gave me the option to delete their version of Flash from my PC. There’s still a ‘Flash Player (32-bit)’ option in the Control Panel. How can all traces of Flash be safely nuked from the computer? Revo Uninstaller isn’t finding it. Thank you.

        Finance, social and tech founder. Co-founder of a global, gamified, crowd-sourced ESG advertising platform, and managing director of new crowd sourced games, both in pre-release development. My planet-wide talk show for people craving new stories by which to live is Casual Saints.

      • #2305204 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Adobe yesterday gave me the option to delete their version of Flash from my PC. There’s still a ‘Flash Player (32-bit)’ option in the Control Panel. How can all traces of Flash be safely nuked from the computer? Revo Uninstaller isn’t finding it. Thank you.

        Adobe has a flash uninstaller :

        https://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/support/uninstall_flash_player.exe

        • #2305207 Reply
          Michael Austin
          AskWoody Plus

          Thanks Alex. I tried that twice before asking and it didn’t remove the applet.

          Finance, social and tech founder. Co-founder of a global, gamified, crowd-sourced ESG advertising platform, and managing director of new crowd sourced games, both in pre-release development. My planet-wide talk show for people craving new stories by which to live is Casual Saints.

        • #2305209 Reply
          Michael Austin
          AskWoody Plus

          I have found procedures that have very involved Registry hacks. But I really don’t wanna use one like this – https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-completely-uninstall-remove-adobe-flash-player-from-windows-10

          I imagine I’m not the only person with this need. One of the posts I read mentioned that Internet Exploder 11 can be turned off via ‘Turn Windows features on or off”, and I turned IE 11 off, which was said to help in the decommissiong of Flash. But that didn’t nuke the Control Panel applet.

          In a cursory Registry search I’m finding references to Shockwave, Macromedia, and ActiveX associated with Flash. There might be more. Rather than pulling out all the weeds one-by-one I’d rather have an ‘environmentally friendly herbicidal program’ someone wrote which will work for me 😉

          Finance, social and tech founder. Co-founder of a global, gamified, crowd-sourced ESG advertising platform, and managing director of new crowd sourced games, both in pre-release development. My planet-wide talk show for people craving new stories by which to live is Casual Saints.

      • #2305251 Reply
        Bundaburra
        AskWoody Plus

        I had not noticed the applet in Control Panel, but it was there.  When I clicked on it, I got a small window headed “Flash Player Settings Manager” (even though Flash was, I thought, thoroughly deleted).  With that window open, I went to Process Explorer and found the entry.  According to PE, the process name and command line was “C:\Windows\System32\FlashPlayerApp.exe”, but on searching in there, no such entry was found.  However, PE also listed a Path of “C:\Windows\Syswow64\FlashPlayerApp.exe”, and on looking in there I found not only that file but also “FlashPlayer CPLApp.cpl”.  I closed out and then deleted both files, whereupon the Control Panel applet was gone

        Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 2004

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        • #2305275 Reply
          Michael Austin
          AskWoody Plus

          Thank you. That was straightforward enough for me that I tried it and it worked – after a reboot.

          Finance, social and tech founder. Co-founder of a global, gamified, crowd-sourced ESG advertising platform, and managing director of new crowd sourced games, both in pre-release development. My planet-wide talk show for people craving new stories by which to live is Casual Saints.

      • #2305271 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I’m with @PKCano …I firmly believe that Microsoft will issue a patch in late December or early January to remove any and all traces of Flash/Flash Player on all editions of Windows, from Win7 SP1 to Win10 20H2/2009. I’m guessing that Vista will be out of luck, since it’s completely unsupported now. The patch might even be rolled into the regular monthly patches for December and/or January for all currently supported OSes to include Win7 users with ESU eligibility.

        R/

        Bob99

        • #2305273 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          I think MS will remove the version of Flash that it has tied to its browsers and that it has installed through its updates.

          However, I think the User may be responsible for removing any of the standalone versions that have been installed through Adobe or an outside third-party. For example the Active-X, NPAPI and PPAPI Plug-ins may need to be removed separately.

        • #2305274 Reply
          Bob99
          Guest

          D’oh, my bad! I forgot that Win7 doesn’t have Flash “baked into” the browser or OS, you have to install Flash Player using the separate installers for Active X and NPAPI uses. Please insert “embarrassed” emoji here.

          R/
          Bob99

          • #2305438 Reply
            EP
            AskWoody_MVP

            yup, you did your “Homer Simpson” impression, Bob99 🙂

            XP/Vista/Win7 users can easily use the adobe flash un-installer to remove all traces of flash. and no Vista users are NOT out of luck as Flash v32 does work on Vista (with their last supported updates from 2017) and also can be removed there.

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      • #2305519 Reply
        SuperMJT
        AskWoody Plus

        Looking back, I’d have to say that EMC’s choice to utilize Adobe Flash for Unisphere was never a good idea.  The Dell EMC VNXe3200 and VNXe3100 SANs are low- to middle-range SAN equipment, with enterprise features, that are managed using Unisphere, which is embedded within the system software.  Unisphere requires Adobe Flash, and thus, at the end of December 2020, we’ll no longer have a way to manage the storage that underlies our VMware cluster.  Supposedly, Dell engineering is hard at work on a replacement for Unisphere that removes the Adobe Flash requirement.  Hopefully, they’ll finish it in time, it won’t be terribly buggy, and it won’t cost an arm and a leg to obtain it.  As it is embedded within the system software, I’m not holding my breath on the “arm and a leg” part.  I suspect a 1-yr software maintenance renewal will be required, which will be thousands of dollars per SAN.  I’ve also learned that Adobe has a partner that will provide a packaged browser with an embedded copy of Adobe Flash.  The price tag for the packaged browser is $25,000 per year.  So, I wish Adobe Flash wasn’t going away.  I’d like to be able to provision storage for our virtual machines!

      • #2305687 Reply
        doriel
        AskWoody Lounger

        So long, endless hours spent with Yetti games, Into space and other magical stuff 🙂

        Dell Latitude E6530, Intel Core i5 @ 2.6 GHz, 4GB RAM, W10 1809 Enterprise

        HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

      • #2305990 Reply
        ve2mrx
        AskWoody Plus

        Hi all!

        This inclusion of Flash in the OS is the reason I use Spywareblaster’s “Disable Flash in IE” setting. I stopped installing it at least half a decade ago, and actively uninstalled it every time I saw it installed somewhere.

        Remember that when the decision to include Flash in the OS was made, most users had outdated Flash installed, and Adobe had no self-update mechanism in place for Flash. So, MS did so to ensure basic updates where done on Flash!

        Martin

      • #2306162 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Just has to restart my 1909 Pro and got the Adobe Thank You message.
        Uninstalled Flash.

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