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      • #2295897 Reply
        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        In the consumer patching survey, quite a few of you indicated that you still were running Office 2010.  Just a kind reminder that as of October of 202
        [See the full post at: Patch Lady – just a kind reminder about Office 2010]

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

      • #2295932 Reply
        Seff
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks Susan.

        0patch continues to cover Office 2010. That’s the option I’m running with for the moment, in any event since the onset of the pandemic with lockdown etc the voluntary work which is my main requirement for Office has ceased completely.

        Ultimately my aim has been to upgrade to Office 2019 as a subscription service certainly wouldn’t appear to suit my limited needs but I think that’s dependent on also upgrading to Win10 which I’ve put on hold given the unreliability of v.2004 which despite any workarounds we’re going to get saddled with at some point and possibly before it’s considered fit for purpose. Or does Office 2019 work ok with Win7?

        LibreOffice may be worth a look for me, although last time I tried a MS Office free substitute which was probably Open Office years ago it turned out to be useless so I’ve been sceptical ever since.

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        • #2295989 Reply
          lurks about
          AskWoody Plus

          The biggest problems LO are some weird issues with goofing MSO Word formatting and macro support. The Word formatting issue appears to be different versions of Word do not always use the same methods for formatting templates. Aggravating but fixable. LO does not support VBA, personally I think this good, which means MSO macros cannot run. This is a bigger problem with those who rely on macros extensively. However, macros have been a long time, notorious security problem with MSO I do not see this as necessarily bad. Joe in Accounting might hate my guts.

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      • #2295936 Reply
        Lawrence Patterson
        AskWoody Plus

        And for our MAC friends, Office 2016 for Mac suffers the same fate on October. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/end-of-support-for-office-2016-for-mac-e944a907-bbc8-4be5-918d-a514068d0056#:~:text=Support%20for%20Office%202016%20for%20Mac%20will%20end%20on%20October,will%20you%20lose%20any%20data.

        Though our organization has moved to Office 2019, I need to decide if I want my one MAC to update to Office 2019 (which involves setting up the configuration.xml and then running a batch file in a CMD window setup /configure…… on Windows) versus buying a MAC Office installation file / license.

        To Seff’s comment, yes Microsoft Alternatives don’t always cut it, though I’ve hear many good things regarding Libre Office and if you’re somewhat isolated and have basic uses (i.e. your colleagues / customers / stakeholders are not absolutely wedded to MS Office and unlikely to encounter strange compatibility glitches) then I suggest giving it a try as it’ll most likely cover all that you need to do.

        I’m personally happy with Office’s Personal MS 365 subscription (which I almost hate saying it, but it’s true) and sharing licenses with family.  Though once retirement hits (not for a decade, hopefully) and no longer supporting Microsoft professionally, I’ll be reviewing the free Office alternatives more.

        IT Manager Geek

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      • #2295964 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I won’t get into how each subsequent version of Office seems to be worse than the last.  We standardized on Office 2010 because it was the least offensive version of the “ribbon crippled” version of Office.  Interestingly, many users I support still use Office 2003, which was the last truly usable version of this software!  Even years later, no client I have, or testing I’ve seen, shows the ribbon as anything other than a productivity impediment when compared to its predecessor.

        My clients would spend real money on any viable alternative to Office, if one actually existed.  Macros in Word and Excel documents are an issue, although we’ve found and are testing one Office alternative that actually incorporates the Microsoft macro add-in.  We also have line of business applications that integrate Word into their functionality and won’t work with other word processors.

        And very bad news for terminal service deployments using Windows 2019 Server – only the Office 2019 Pro Plus product (at roughly $540 per user) will run on an RDS server.  No other (available) version of Office, nor any of the current Office 365 offerings, will run on an RDS server.  That’s been coded into the products!  That’s a real killer for those of us that only need Word and Excel.

        This monopoly truly is a sorry state of affairs.

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        • #2296272 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          LibreOffice still has the old-school menu system, as far as I’m aware.  It’s not quite a drop-in replacement unfortunately as you would need to rebuild macros and any back-end code from Excel.  Some of the features from Word I think are also missing.  Outlook would be the biggest difference but you could run Thunderbird.

          That’s comparing against Office 2013+.  For matching 2003, LibreOffice should be close to parity (other than extension/macro/VBA differences).

          • #2296282 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            Ah, I didn’t read the macros part.  Honestly, at this point I’d say just recreate them in Libre.  The amount of time or money required to do this would probably end up being cheaper than finding some obscure solution.

            Specialized software that requires Office is something different.  We have the exact same issue and we’re looking into dropping it and finding a different vendor because of it.  Luckily we might be able to, I know that’s not always an option.

      • #2295971 Reply
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        I would have expected MSFT to issue a (hideable/removable) reminder patch by now for Office 2010, as a duty of care and security for their customers, akin to the Win 7 EoS patch.
        Not all Office 2010 users know about the EoS on the 13th October 2020 nor do they visit tech or blogsites.

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        • #2295996 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          I thought I saw a thread on here not to long ago (two or three months maybe) from someone who was indeed getting EOL notifications regularly from Office 2010 and wanted to know how to shut them up.

      • #2295997 Reply
        scooby
        AskWoody Plus

        I forgot to uninstall Office 2010 when I installed Office Home and Student 2019 a few weeks ago.

        Would I be causing any problems by now uninstalling Office 2010? Thank you!

         

        • #2296283 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          If it’s not currently causing problems, then you should be able to uninstall fine.  Office can coexist with older versions under some specific circumstances.  In those cases, I don’t think it shares any common files with 2019.

          At worst, run a repair on 2019 after you uninstall 2010 and you should be fine.

      • #2296019 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        I would have expected MSFT to issue a (hideable/removable) reminder patch by now for Office 2010, as a duty of care and security for their customers

        You are joking of course.

        …reminder patch by now for Office 2010, as to force their customers into paying $hundreds for Office 365 subscription.

      • #2296028 Reply
        Douglas
        AskWoody Plus

        I am still using Office 2010 and plan to continue using it. When I retired a few years back, the place I worked at was still using Windows 7 and some iteration of Office 2010 Professional. I always liked to have the same OS and Office running on my home PC, so I installed and still have Windows 7 and Office 2010 at home (I am going to upgrade to Windows 8.1 soon and will keep using Office 2010). The version of Office I have at home is the Home and Student because I didn’t need all the bells of whistles of the Professional version that I had available at work. I need even less now.

        I use Word quite a bit, and Excel on a fairly regular basis to keep track of some things I created spreadsheets for. I may sometimes need to open a PowerPoint document, but of course I no longer create them since retirement means I no longer have to do presentations (I do not miss that at all). I don’t create macros and very little of what I already have include any. So long as I am careful to scan any Office documents I might occasionally download or receive as email attachments, I don’t see any reason to upgrade to a more recent version of Office. I am also one of those who do not like Microsoft’s new subscription model and have zero interest in ever using the cloud for anything.

        Outlook 2010 was not included in the Home and Student version and it was installed separately from a DVD that came with my PC. I assume it is also hitting end of service, although I do not see it in the list in Patch Lady’s post. I have not seen any notifications from Microsoft about the October end of service for Office or Outlook. I still use Outlook (mainly because I am used to it), but the nice thing is there are so many email programs out there that if security issues arise that convince me to get off of it, finding something else non-Microsoft shouldn’t be a problem. If need be I will explore what 0patch has to offer and go from there.

        Bottom line is I am not too concerned about the October end of service.

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        • #2296092 Reply
          gkarasik
          AskWoody Plus

          Douglas–I’ve stubbornly clung to Win7, but am curious about your thinking re Win8.1. Would you mind emailing me  and sharing your thoughts?

          Moderator note: Email address removed for security reasons.

          GaryK

      • #2296049 Reply
        alphacharlie
        AskWoody Plus

        Will it work to install Office 2013 over directly over an installed and working Office 2010?

        Or is it necessary (or better) to uninstall Office 2010 before installing Office 2013?

        Thank you.

        • #2296051 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Office 2013 will not install “over” Office 2010.
          It will install in “addition to” Office 2010.
          You can have multiple versions of Office installed (except for Outlook, I think), but it can sometimes cause problems.

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          • #2296064 Reply
            L95
            AskWoody Plus

            I have Windows 7 Professional and have purchased Extended Security Updates (ESUs) that will enable me to continue using Windows 7 for the next 2 – 1/2 years.  I have Office 2010 and I like using MS Outlook and Word,  so I’d like to continue using them for the next 2 1/2 years until my Windows 7 ESUs terminate.   I’m thinking of purchasing Office 2013 to accomplish this.  What do you think of this?  Is this a good idea?   If so,  what would be the best way to install it?  Should I uninstall Office 2010 and then install  Office 2013?

            • #2296066 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              If you are thinking of purchasing Office 2013, be really careful where you buy it. There are MANY too-good-to-be-true offers out there and many are illegal copies.

              I have Office 2010 .msi version (perpetual) on several of my computers. I have every intention of continuing their use. If I decide otherwise, my choice will be Libre Office.

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              • #2296100 Reply
                L95
                AskWoody Plus

                PK:  Thanks.  You said you have every intention of continuing your use of Office 2010.  How are you going to do that without the security updates?

              • #2296173 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                The same way I have been doing it since I installed Office. It won’t stop working (I have the perpetual version installed on my computer).

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              • #2296262 Reply
                L95
                AskWoody Plus

                PK:  Thanks again for your response.  I probably didn’t phrase my question very well.  What I meant was what are you going to do about security?  Will you be using OPatch?   Or are you just going to run Office 2010 without any security protection?

              • #2296266 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                Just run Office 2010. (I don’t use Outlook)

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      • #2296065 Reply
        PaulForeman
        AskWoody Plus

        I’ve got the same question as “Scooby” in that I had/have Office 2010 installed and then put the Microsoft Office Professional 2019 package on my PC when it came out without uninstalling the 2010 program.

        So, can I uninstall / delete the 2010 suite without issue?  I’ve retired and don’t have an active Microsoft account and keep the suite as off-line as I can and use it for my “home use” only.  I am using Outlook 2019 with my ISP for mail but that’s it.  Advice?

        Paul –

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      • #2296127 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        If I run Office 2010 only when I am offline, will I be OK?

        • #2296146 Reply
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Potentially not, if the doc/sheet you are working on came from the internet and contains malware.
          Use your AV to scan things you receive from the internet before opening them in Office and you should be fine, whether you are on or offline.

          cheers, Paul

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      • #2296187 Reply
        doriel
        AskWoody Lounger

        Given HOW MUCH malware, phishing and what not is coming through email, given HOW MUCH malware, phishing and what not are using macros to enter systems, given HOW MANY times Office is being patched for remote code execution attacks that you will no longer be protected for after October 13, 2020

        I would like to disagree, please. We are not going be protected against newly discovered security risks. Old patches remains and we are protected at least somehow.
        And to strenghten my argument please consider how “magnetic” for phishing attacks are Office(Microsoft) 365. Corporations with 365thing are targeted most, not Office 2010 users. So this step is another use of force by Microsoft. I remember recently, that MSFT gave longer servicing period for certain version, cause pandemia was comlicating things. This would be nice if Office 2010 will still work.
        And I can guarantee, that, in enterprise, no transition from Office2010 to Office365 will be trouble-free. NOT-A-SINGLE-ONE.

        Dell Latitude E6530, Intel Core i5 @ 2.6 GHz, 4GB RAM, W10 1809 Enterprise

        HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

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      • #2296333 Reply
        brw2019
        AskWoody Plus

        I subscribe to MS Action Pack and have MS Office Pro Plus 2019 on several of my own machines which I installed via the Action Pack benefits. None of them are Click-to-Run, which is just the way I want it. But I’m confused since from what I read online and at your site it appears you can no longer get MS Office without Click-to-Run. Is getting it through the Action Pack an automatic exception or is it still possible to actually purchase Office 2019 without Click-to-Run? Reason I ask is I’m planning to get it for some clients and it wouldn’t be appropriate to use my Action Pack licenses for that.

      • #2296517 Reply
        RM
        AskWoody Plus

        If you have an ESU, would you still be able to get Office 2010 patches after the EOL for Office 2010?  I am currently getting patches for office 2010 with the ESU although Office has not hit  EOL so it is probably still available to everyone (?).  I plan to upgrade Office, but do not really want to go to subscription version, when I switch to new PCs in the near future and would like to only have to do the upgrade when I switch computers.  Or would switching to interim solution such as using Opatch or another software be a viable solution or is Microsoft going to continue to patch those of us with ESU?

        • #2296522 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          ESUs apply to the Win7 Operating System.
          Office 2010 is a different program. MS has said nothing about extending updates for Office 2010 after EOL.

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