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    • #192312 Reply

      Susan Bradley
      AskWoody MVP

      As noted in https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4103718/windows-7-update-kb4103718 and in https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4103712
      [See the full post at: Patch Lady – KB4103718 /KB4103712 known issues]

      Susan Bradley Patch Lady

    • #192324 Reply

      leonardoco
      AskWoody Lounger

      Really?? Microsoft fixed NIC problems in April…. then broke again in May ??

    • #192335 Reply

      Geo
      AskWoody Lounger

      Win 7 x64,  Home Premium  AMD, Group A,  no problem, no slow down.

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    • #192342 Reply

      Mr. Natural
      AskWoody Lounger

      I had just approved 3712 earlier today. I didn’t realize it also had the nic issue. D’OH! I just went back and marked it as not approved. I guess I’ll find out if any pc still grabs it. 3718 remains not approved. Thanks Susan!

    • #192359 Reply

      anonymous

      I noticed that April’s patch forcefully uninstalled NIC drivers while I was watching the cmdline scroll.  I wonder how much they mucked with May’s rollup for it to run into this issue only a month later.

    • #192362 Reply

      anonymous

      Seems to not be an issue for me on Win7 with KB4103718 installed.

      What network drivers do they mean? Ethernet? Wi-Fi? Bluetooth? VPNs?

      Is installing an older version a solution?

      What about built-in network drivers that are included? They will keep installing and failing after you remove them?

      Why is Microsoft less and less descriptive? I swear there’s more technical stuff about Windows 98SE than Windows 10 on their pages…ok, that’s an exagerration 😛

       

      • #192365 Reply

        OscarCP
        AskWoody Lounger

        Maybe it helps to create a restore point before updating (if you do, same as I, update B-group style). One can, then, restore the system to its previous state before installing the problem patch, which I assume restores also the drivers this bad update did remove.

         

      • #192403 Reply

        Nibbled To Death By Ducks
        AskWoody Lounger

        NIC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_interface_controller

        …and as a side note, I, too have noticed the info on these situations getting less verbose over the years.

        I really do wish that, also, that “…and will provide a status update when the investigation is complete,” also included an estimated date when they think they’ll have a fix.  I mean, the second question I always got asked was, “OK, how long is it going to take to fix it?” (“Captain, I can’t get her going for at least three hours!” “I need it in 10 minutes.”” OK, OK, I’ll try and make it 20.” 🙂

        That’s a “known unknown” (groan), but anything might be helpful.

        Back to my wishing well.

        Win7 Pro SP1 64-bit, Dell Latitude E6330, Intel CORE i5 "Ivy Bridge", Group "A/B [negative] :)", Air-Gapped backups, "Notify but do not download or install without asking."

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        "The more kinks you put in the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the pipes!" -Scotty

      • #192412 Reply

        Noel Carboni
        AskWoody MVP

        Why is Microsoft less and less descriptive?

        I’m imagining several reasons:

        1. They don’t want you being self-sufficient when they want to be firmly in charge of your computer.

        2. It’s much easier not to document something than to document it, and apparently no one in Microsoft management really cares any more.

        SomethingHappened

        -Noel

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    • #192372 Reply

      anonymous

      I am Group B Windows 7 64 bit and I don’t think May updates seem that important so I might bypass altogether. It ain’t broke so why mess with it theory.

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    • #192384 Reply

      davinci953
      AskWoody Lounger

      Microsoft just continues to amaze me and not in a very good way. 😉

    • #192417 Reply

      acmilanbaggio
      AskWoody Lounger

      I cannot install monthly rollup from Mar rollup 2018 KB4088878 until May monthly rollup

    • #192416 Reply

      anonymous

      I cannot install monthly rollup 2018 (KB4103718) from Mar monthly rollup 2018 until May 2018

    • #192430 Reply

      CraigS26
      AskWoody Lounger

      Win 7-64  Grp A — KB4103718 Rollup Inst’d BY ITSELF was the most UNeventful Update I’ve done in awhile. Previous Updates did not always show “Preparing to Update” or “Please wait – Preparing to Configure” – Just a Normal Re-Start sequence that sometimes requ’d multi-Re-Starts to make a sluggish computer smooth again; This ran like clock work.

      Also, I inexplicably had incurred an issue where  I could NOT clk the Right Arrow in an Explorer String to See that member’s Contents without seeing “Configuring Items” OR seeing the Green Loading bar in the Explorer Address bar IF I simply tried to Clk the Arrow in Explorer “Name Column” to Reverse the member positions. Cause or Coincidence – THAT issue is gone.

      Will Install remainder together, I think, asap. Dreading the day this machine must be Replaced. I don’t know HOW Win 10 users stay sane.

      WU Grp A - Win 7-64 Hm Prem / Hm-Stdnt Office '10 / i5 Sandy Bridge Gen 2 / NO Java or Flash

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    • #192441 Reply

      anonymous

      I had a BSOD after installing this and the .NET update (4103718 and 4099633)!

      Rolled back. Will see if it falls over again..

      • #192446 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        KB4103718 is not a .NET update. It is the 2018-05 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Win7

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        • #192518 Reply

          amraybt
          AskWoody Lounger

          I think what they meant was “after installing this (KB4103718) and the .NET update (KB4099633).”

          -- Group B through Dec 2017, currently Group W --
          Win 7 Pro x64 desktop (Haswell CPU, AMD GPU)
          Win 8.1 Home/Basic x64 laptop (Haswell CPU, Nvidia GPU)

          • #192676 Reply

            anonymous

            That’s correct, installing both at the same time!
            In hindsight, I should have installed only one of them at a time, of course.

            I have now uninstalled both, will wait a little while to see if there is further fallout, before trying again!

    • #192470 Reply

      James Bond 007
      AskWoody Lounger

      Well, another month in 2018, and another potentially serious problem in a Windows 7 update. Why does a security update try to uninstall the Network driver and actively prevent its reinstallation? How can such a bug slip by undetected?

      Seems to me that my Windows 7 x64 systems will have to stay unpatched for at least another month.

      For me, it is obvious Microsoft now does little or no testing itself, and no longer cares about the quality of the security patches, ever since Nadella fired its testing department back in 2014. Otherwise how can problems that can have potentially serious consequences occur so regularly?

      Mr. Nadella, if your company no longer wants to keep to your promise of patching Windows 7 until January 2020, please just come out and say so. Why make users suffer with your half-hearted “support” and “fixes” repeatedly?

      Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.

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      • #192551 Reply

        Cascadian
        AskWoody Lounger


        Mr. Nadella, if your company no longer wants to keep to your promise of patching Windows 7 until January 2020, please just come out and say so. Why make users suffer with your half-hearted “support” and “fixes” repeatedly?

        Your plea resonates with me, and many others I’m sure. The difficulty of course is that openly admitting it creates an actionable liability; but willful voluntary incidental incompetence can be explained away.

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    • #192471 Reply

      CraigS26
      AskWoody Lounger

      Win 7-64 Grp A — KB4103718 Rollup Inst’d BY ITSELF was the most UNeventful Update I’ve done in awhile. Previous Updates did not always show “Preparing to Update” or “Please wait – Preparing to Configure” – Just a Normal Re-Start sequence that sometimes requ’d multi-Re-Starts to make a sluggish computer smooth again; This ran like clock work. Also, I inexplicably had incurred an issue where I could NOT clk the Right Arrow in an Explorer String to See that member’s Contents without seeing “Configuring Items” OR seeing the Green Loading bar in the Explorer Address bar IF I simply tried to Clk the Arrow in Explorer “Name Column” to Reverse the member positions. Cause or Coincidence – THAT issue is gone. Will Install remainder together, I think, asap. Dreading the day this machine must be Replaced. I don’t know HOW Win 10 users stay sane.

      As suggested above After my Computer zipped along after JUST the May W7-64 Rollup KB4103718, it was Very Sluggish AFTER inst’ing the Remaining (9 total) ’10 Office, 4.71 Net Frmwk, and MSRT. Typical, too, a Re-Start Fixed That.

      All Seems well AND I’d Suggest one or two Re-Starts after a Post-Update problem as THAT has cured my ills more than you’d think.

      WU Grp A - Win 7-64 Hm Prem / Hm-Stdnt Office '10 / i5 Sandy Bridge Gen 2 / NO Java or Flash

    • #192475 Reply

      MrToad28
      AskWoody Lounger

      I rolled back my most used boxes to Dec 2017..was hoping May would be problem free so I could get up to date…looks like June or July. The patches are WAY MORE RISKY than the threats to someone who uses multi-layer anti-malware and practices safe computing, IMO.

      Recently switched to Quad9 security filtered DNS https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/11/New-Quad9-Dns-Service-Blocks-Malicious-Domains-For-Everyone/
      to help block the bad guys…no problems on 6 pc’s.

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    • #192531 Reply

      laidbacktokyo
      AskWoody Lounger

      I’ve duly tested install of both KB4103718  & KB4103712 with absolutely no network issues @ static IPs set but the issues of dwm.exe those I’m monthly reporting here from Jan2018 still persist and it’s confirmed to be beyond of NVidia drivers’ version and/or performance.

      Details are here – when issues are same:

      https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/april-17-2018-kb4093113-preview-of-monthly-rollup-early-arrival/

      Even more details & debugging results are here:

      https://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/414573-help-needed-win7-dwm-exe-issues-upon-install-any-m-rollup-2018-a.html

      No any solution is found so far so KB4103718 removed and put to hidden list as below pic:

      2018-05-09-Wed_3_M4300SSDHiddenUpdatesOf12Total_1OfWin103OfTelemetryKB4056894KB4057400KB4074598KB4075211KB4091290KB4093118KB4093113KB4103718

      Rgds,

      P.S. I believe we need an update of Desktop & Session Manager Service to be adjusted to perform in new messy environment of Spectre/Meltdown etc protection, and a proper way of heap management.

      So is anybody here happens to know a right webpage/email to complain to m$ directly?

      Thanks.

      P.P.S. BTW, where is May preview rollup? Now is a 3rd Tuesday of month, right?

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    • #192668 Reply

      HonzaZKrumlova
      AskWoody Lounger

      Hi folks,

      seen laptop with crippled WLAN, Win7 64bit, group A style, right after 05 update KB4103718 repeatedly trying to finish update (4 restarts), and the result as described by MS.

      Atheros AR5BWB222, Acer TravelMate P253M. Driver reinstall helped.

    • #192730 Reply

      anonymous

      A newbee here ,Is it safe to Install KB4103718 /KB4103712 Updates on Windows7 Physical & VM boxes’s?

      • #192740 Reply

        columbia2011
        AskWoody Lounger

        NIC problems exist in KB4103718/KB4103712. Wait for change of MS Defcon to 3 or above.

      • #192742 Reply

        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        Your safest bet is to wait until Woody changes the MS-DEFCON level to 3 (at the top of each page). We are currently at level 2 as of 15th May. (patch reliability is unclear. Unless you have an immediate, pressing need to install a specific patch, don’t do it.)

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    • #192752 Reply

      anonymous

      So this is Win7 SP1, x64 Intel Haswell processor; consistently Woody group B. Re: 5-2018 Security only KB4103712: Has anyone considered making use of the April 2018 revision of KB4099950, used for apparently-similar problem in April, in connection with the May update? Would probably have to do as I did installing one of the Mar./April updates: Un-install 4099950 since it was already on my PC; then re-install it prior to running the security-only May patch. Has anyone done this for May? Do any of the Senior posters on this blog (you know who you are) have any thoughts as to whether this might alleviate the NIC/network/whatever bug? (FYI: On the csv. file contents list for May’s 4103712, I checked it about ten days ago and it listed — I thought — a pci.sys, which was same version V.6.1.7601.24056 as I already have on my PC; When I checked file list off of Web again today, pci.sys was *not* listed. Guess this updating must be making me cross-eyed, or something.)

    • #192910 Reply

      jjunc
      AskWoody Lounger

      kb4103712 is still listed on the “Master Patch List” page as:

      Issues being tracked

      None at this time.  Fixes the memory leak issue

    • #193047 Reply

      anonymous

      With KB4103718, my Win7 64 SP1 wasn’t able to connect to a distant PC through RDP anymore. After uninstalling it, it worked again.

    • #193550 Reply

      Nibbled To Death By Ducks
      AskWoody Lounger

      For what it’s worth, (.01) the language on the info site for 103718 seems to have been abridged, more terse; now reads,

      “Microsoft is presently investigating and will provide a status update when the investigation is complete.”

      A bit less vague, but could mean the heat is being turned up, or it’s snowing in an unlikely place.

      I know, back to my wishing well. 🙂 I can dream, can’t I?

      Old song :”I’m a dreamer, aren’t we all?…..and I’m a fool, but aren’t we all?”

      Win7 Pro SP1 64-bit, Dell Latitude E6330, Intel CORE i5 "Ivy Bridge", Group "A/B [negative] :)", Air-Gapped backups, "Notify but do not download or install without asking."

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      "The more kinks you put in the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the pipes!" -Scotty

    • #193894 Reply

      LeaningTowardsLinux
      AskWoody Lounger

      @woody @sb @pkcano Any update on KB 4103712 NIC issues yet?
      Some loungers have problems after installing, others do not.

      The ‘truth’ must be out there, somewhere (impatient….)

      Group B + Windows 7 SP1 x64 + Office 365 C2R + Linux Mint
      • #193897 Reply

        PKCano
        AskWoody MVP

        DEFCON is still 2. Why installing KB 4103712?

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        • #193901 Reply

          LeaningTowardsLinux
          AskWoody Lounger

          Yep, I know we’re still on Defcon 2, but since the Win10 horror is taking all the attention….

          KB 4103712 is Group B’s May security only update, right?

          Group B + Windows 7 SP1 x64 + Office 365 C2R + Linux Mint
          • #193904 Reply

            PKCano
            AskWoody MVP

            DEFCON applies to all versions of Windows. Group A and Group B.

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            • #193906 Reply

              LeaningTowardsLinux
              AskWoody Lounger

              Again, I know.
              Just wanted to get some attention for the ‘prodigal son’ Windows 7 at the verge of being devoured by its false younger sybling 😉

              BTW, it would not be the first time I install an update before DEFCON 3 because of multiple positive outcomes from fellow loungers. (Call me stupid)

              Group B + Windows 7 SP1 x64 + Office 365 C2R + Linux Mint
            • #193910 Reply

              Elly
              AskWoody MVP

              I always appreciate those that have the technical know-how to recover from any problems they may encounter… who do the testing for the rest of us…

              Win 7 Home, 64 bit, Group B

            • #193930 Reply

              LeaningTowardsLinux
              AskWoody Lounger

              Thanks, @elly. But I won’t take the compliment, as I only dive into the deep with a backup at hand. Till now I never encountered problems that I couldn’t undo, but I’m no technician.

               

              Group B + Windows 7 SP1 x64 + Office 365 C2R + Linux Mint
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    • #193913 Reply

      anonymous

      netsh i i rr resolves this.

      • #193927 Reply

        columbia2011
        AskWoody Lounger

        What does exactly above command? When should execute it? After or before installing cumulative Rollup?

        can tell you from experience that it removes any static IP information for all the NICs on the machine. I tried it on a server that was acting up and had to re-enter all the IP/netmask/gateway information for 6 network interfaces.
        Is it right to do reset tcp/ip protocol to lose any static settings on productive servers?! Stop, I will wait for the next rollup!

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      • #193931 Reply

        LeaningTowardsLinux
        AskWoody Lounger

        ‘Googel’ says it resets the TCP/IP stack.

        However, dear anonymous, we do appreciate a little explaining about how you found out / how you tested this. KB 4103718 or KB 4103712??

        Thanks

        P.S. Actually, the command is “netsh_i_i_r_r” (where _ is a space), not anonymous’ “netsh i i rr”.

        Group B + Windows 7 SP1 x64 + Office 365 C2R + Linux Mint
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    • #194212 Reply

      columbia2011
      AskWoody Lounger

      Microsoft recently has removed any issues with network drivers for May Monthly Rollup and security-only update.
      https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4103718/windows-7-update-kb4103718/

      My question: were NIC issues corrected silently or insufficient information to identify the problem?

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    • #194211 Reply

      anonymous

      KB4103718 has been updated today to remove any reference to the NIC driver issue. No explanation. Nothing!

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    • #194260 Reply

      Nibbled To Death By Ducks
      AskWoody Lounger

      Thanks for the heads up!

      Lack of info? The explanation is simple:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmzsWxPLIOo

      (John Banner was a jewel…)

      Now, who’s going to be first to install this “fixed” baby…’cause “I don’ play dat game no mo!”

      No, my days of cramming the stick forward at full throttle are over. 🙂

      Patch Lady? Woody? Anyone want to take a dive in the old reactor pool?  *|p

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    • #194577 Reply

      anonymous

      5/2018 group B secur.-only patch KB4103712 x64, and also this month’s IE patch, applied uneventfully last night. This is a Win7 Pro SP1 x64 machine. Speccy says: Intel Pentium G3220 @ 3.00GHz, Haswell 22nm Technology; Intel64 Family 6 Model 60 Stepping 3, PROCESSOR_LEVEL 6, PROCESSOR_REVISION 3c03. Of course, before installing: Regedit whole Reg. backup, plus backup of HKLM/SYS/CURRCONTROLSET/ENUM/PCI; plus system backup and system image beforehand (needed none of them). Also had handy, but did NOT need nor run, KB 4099950 re networking, 4/17/2018 revision, nor MS hotfix “easy fix” (?!) 20140 if were needed to reset default values of NIC etc.; Also **very much appreciated**, but did NOT need to do, the fine suggestion made by anon in reply 193913, above, re netsh command; was unaware of same. Note: Installed Group B patch; reboot; then installed IE patch. Note also: I’ve been group B consistently since Woody first proposed same; also, I don’t have dotNet 3.5.1 installed; do have dotNet 4.7.1 but haven’t patched it since 1/2018; maybe I’ll remove it. Also running latest version of Avast Free AV. I don’t have installed MS Office although I do have their “doc viewer” 2007. Also have MS EMET 5.5.2; and have tried to turn off as much as poss., telemetry per fine suggestions in this forum; thanks, people! HTH. A pleasant Memorial Day holiday to one and all here in the USA; God bless our service personnel — including those who have gone on before — who made this nation the beacon of the world, for liberty, for 231 years.

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