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    • #169318 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      So what happened?  Well a funny thing happened to a server.  Long story short, I decided that it was time for a fresh start and a new location courtes
      [See the full post at: Patch Lady Posts 2018-02-13]

    • #169320 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      I like the new format. Much easier to follow.

    • #169326 Reply

      AJNorth
      AskWoody Plus

      W E L C O M E   A B O A R D ,  S U S A N

      May-The-Force-Be-With-You

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    • #169332 Reply

      Cee Arr
      AskWoody Plus

      The first revamped update post is a ripper.  So much easier for my aging brain to comprehend. Who is the little bloke next to Susan?  Woody!  Woody! Is that you?

      1 user thanked author for this post.
      • #169346 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        In a dark place we find ourselves, and a little more knowledge lights our way.

        3 users thanked author for this post.
    • #169339 Reply

      CADesertRat
      AskWoody Plus

      Thanks Susan, the format is great. Glad to see you back.

      Out of curiosity, are you still going to be doing Patch Watch for WS’s if/when they ever get back up?

      Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
      4 Win 10 Pro all 1903 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

      • #169672 Reply

        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        I’m going to stay over here.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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        • #169759 Reply

          CADesertRat
          AskWoody Plus

          Just an observation:

          You were the main reason that WS’s newsletter had any subscribers left after Fred Langa and many others left the newsletter, so I assume their subscriber base will take a major hit. Woody’s gain and WS’s/Penton’s loss. Hopefully their forum will stay afloat ( if things ever get fixed ).

          Again, thanks for sharing your knowledge and guidance on the maze of patch’s being pumped out.

          Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
          4 Win 10 Pro all 1903 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

    • #169348 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody_MVP

      Nice profound guide

    • #169351 Reply

      PerthMike
      AskWoody Plus

      Love it.

      However, could I trouble you to include the equivalent security only update KB number for Windows 7/8.1 when you post the Monthly Update Rollup KB number? Sorry, never going to be group A.

      Other than that, love it.

       

      No matter where you go, there you are.

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      • #169383 Reply

        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        Hear, hear!

        And, please, the security rollup for Explorer 11 as well, whenever convenient.

        Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W + Mac&Lx

        • #169392 Reply

          Susan Bradley
          AskWoody MVP

          Do you manually download the updates from the catalog site?  I’m just trying to cater to how folks patch.

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

          • #169414 Reply

            woody
            Da Boss

            We have a split audience. Those who install the Monthly Rollups (what I call “Group A“) are in the majority. The more skeptical only install Security-Only patches (“Group B”)

            @pkcano maintains a list of Security-Only patches in AKB 2000003.

            The MS-DEFCON system (see level “2” above) is for people who don’t want to install individual patches, but instead are looking for overall guidance. When I change MS-DEFCON level, the event is marked by an article in Computerworld giving detailed, step-by-step patching instructions.

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            • #169434 Reply

              AJNorth
              AskWoody Plus

              “When I change MS-DEFCON level, the event is marked by an article in Computerworld giving detailed, step-by-step patching instructions.”

              …and a collective sigh of relief is heard ’round the world (as Microsoft’s servers go into overload).

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            • #169484 Reply

              walker
              AskWoody Lounger

              @woody:  How can we be certain that we receive all of “Patch Lady’s” information as it is issued?   Should we “subscribe” to this one, or what would your recommendation be so none of us misses any of this information?     This is WONDERFUL!     Thank you so much for all the wonderful work you do!    It is sincerely appreciated by everyone who uses your site!    🙂

          • #169466 Reply

            MrJimPhelps
            AskWoody_MVP

            I install the standard monthly rollup for Windows 7 and 8.1, after Woody says it’s ok to do so (i.e. when we are at MS-DEFCON 3 or higher).

            Group "L" (Linux Mint)
            with Windows 8.1 running in a VM
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          • #169539 Reply

            OscarCP
            AskWoody Plus

            Patch Lady:

            Thank you for asking.

            Yes, I install, monthly, from the Catalogue, but just the security only update for (in my case) Windows 7 [Pro], SP1 x64, as well as the corresponding Explorer 11 cumulative security only.

            On the other hand, I install Office, .NET and the MS malware tool remover, from the Update page in the Control Panel’s “Action Center”.  I have Windows Update set to inform me of new updates, but to let me chose when (and which) to install. Usually wait for one or two weeks, to see if anything bad transpires, such as a serious issue pending resolution, according to postings here at Woody’s. Also hide updates I do not want (but you never know if some day…) Mostly optional updates to fix things like the problem with the time in Azerbaijan,  and things with “quality” and “rollup” in their names.

            I think many people visiting this site for information and advice update more or less in this way. We are what is known in Woodyese as the “Group B” people. There is also the Group A people, that let MS do the updating for them (e.g., my great aunt Agatha). Then there are the radical extremist daredevil rebels of Group W, I think it is called, that have both pulled out a tooth and swore a blood oath never to update, no matter what.

            Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W + Mac&Lx

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    • #169355 Reply

      cesmart4125
      AskWoody Plus

      It was indeed a pleasure to read Ms. Susan’s column again, and the somewhat different format works well.  Look forward to reading her column in the coming months.

      Charles

      PS

      Would someone please tell me how to insert an

      image I downloaded from google images.  I want

      to put it in the Insert/edit image box above.   

    • #169359 Reply

      MrJimPhelps
      AskWoody_MVP

      Susan, I noticed that you listed a patch for Office 2007 and Outlook 2007. Is Microsoft still patching Office 2007?

      Group "L" (Linux Mint)
      with Windows 8.1 running in a VM
    • #169364 Reply

      AlexEiffel
      AskWoody_MVP

      Wow, that is great, but now traffic will rise and server will have to be changed again.

      Question. Does your semi-annual channel trick work on a standard click-to-run Office installation permanent license our just for those who suscribe to Office365?

      • #169365 Reply

        Sessh
        AskWoody Lounger

        Yeah, great format and very easy to follow. Makes getting NET patches manually much easier.

        The site was timing out this morning when I tried to come on here and for part of the afternoon. We’re going to be changing servers every week at this rate. AW might be getting too popular for it’s own good now.

        • #169468 Reply

          MrJimPhelps
          AskWoody_MVP

          Maybe Woody can increase what he’s charging for ads!

          Group "L" (Linux Mint)
          with Windows 8.1 running in a VM
    • #169382 Reply

      OscarCP
      AskWoody Plus

      Welcome, Patch Lady!

      And may I remind all in attendance, that when it comes to decide when and what to patch, one should be mindful of what your friend in that picture once said about how really important things get done?

      “Do. Or do not. There is no try.”

       

      Windows 7 Professional, SP1, x64 Group B & macOS + Linux (Mint) => Win7 Group W + Mac&Lx

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    • #169387 Reply

      anonymous

      Does this mean we can install the Febraury update (1703)?
      I don’t know, there are people that reported issues with this patch…..

      • #169395 Reply

        anonymous

        Therefore I think I will skip this month’s patch.  Nothing wrong with just skipping 1 month. I will wait until a more stable month to update, (hoping it’s March).
        Thanks Patch lady for your advice.

        • #169415 Reply

          woody
          Da Boss

          Keep an eye on the MS-DEFCON level. When things look stable, I’ll move to MS-DEFCON 3 (or 4 or 5) and post the notice here, and in Computerworld.

          • #169421 Reply

            anonymous

            thanks woody,  I just  dont want to blindly install a patch that messes my pc

    • #169388 Reply

      EspressoWillie
      AskWoody Plus

      SO HAPPY you are here.

      Cheers!!
      Willie McClure
      www.datarim.com
      Talk's cheap, takes money to buy whiskey.
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    • #169403 Reply

      Latka
      AskWoody Plus

      I tried your command line instructions to switch Office from the monthly updates to the semi annual plan, but nothing much took place until I shut off the metered wireless connection setting. Hopefully the Office update process will be more fruitful this time; it’s running longer, in any case.

      Welcome to Woody’s world.

      • #169673 Reply

        Latka
        AskWoody Plus

        Nope. It’s not happening for me, even with unmetered WiFi.

        My Office 365 on Win10 Home v1703 still says Vers. 1801 (Build 9001.2171 Click-to-run) Monthly Channel.

        Any ideas?

    • #169405 Reply

      PerthMike
      AskWoody Plus

      Do you manually download the updates from the catalog site? I’m just trying to cater to how folks patch.

      I just need the KB numbers, I use WSUS for our organisation patching.

      No matter where you go, there you are.

    • #169430 Reply

      anonymous

      Hi Susan, thanks for the info on how to switch Office Click-to-Run from the monthly channel to the semi-annual channel.

      However, my Office 365 automatic updates were still switched off when I applied the commands you provide, and the update window just kept on running and running.
      So only after I reset Office to automatic updates the process was finalized.

      Oddly enough, after that Office had signed into my secondary subscription account by itself. Had to switch back to my primairy subscription account.

      All is well now. I’m on the semi-annual channel. Thanks a million!

    • #169617 Reply

      Steve S.
      AskWoody Plus

      It’s great to see your succinct patching posts here, Susan!

      I’m currently a home user of Win 7 Pro 64-bit (three machines) firmly in “Group B”.  But I keep my finger on the pulse of Win 10 – in case I choose it instead of Linux in the future. 😉

      Welcome!

      Win7 Pro x64(Group B), Win10 Pro x64 1903, Win10 Home 1903, Linux Mint + a cat with 'tortitude'.

    • #169611 Reply

      anonymous

      Please let me know what dism is and how to use it.

      Thanks.

      Charles

    • #169965 Reply

      anonymous

      Hey, just a heads up; I installed KB 4074598 on my Windows 7 Desktop PC (I use AMD stuff etc) and it kept putting my PC into a weird hibernation state when trying to restart.. every single time. It wouldn’t show input from the monitors, mouse/keyboard, but the tower would still be running. To get out of this state I had to turn off the PC directly from the button on the tower itself, then turn it back on. It didn’t even do that “windows shut down unexpectedly” thing when you force turn off the PC.

      The problem fixed by uninstalling the patch, but for whatever reason that patch basically made restarting impossible for me.. I mean, my PC is already feeling fragile enough and does weird glitchy things whenever I update it but this could be a potential issue for anyone that might decide to install it.

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    • #170047 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      Patch Lady Posts 2018-02-13: “Unless you take action, you are by default on the monthly channel – which is a bit of a misnomer – as lately the monthly channel has been updating more than once a month. As a result the first thing I want you to do after reading the Patch Lady post is to adjust how you get your click to run Office 2016 deployment. I’ll want you to change to the semi-annual feature update channel rather than the monthly update channel.”

      This Microsoft page says that the Semi-Annual Channel is the default:

      Semi-Annual Channel is the default update channel for Office 365 ProPlus.

      Overview of update channels for Office 365 ProPlus

      Windows 10 Pro Version 2004: Group ASAP (chump/pioneer)

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      • #170185 Reply

        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        SAC is default for O365ProPlus SKU only
        there are more than 7 major SKUs for Office 2016 C2R, not to mention Project and Visio

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    • #171331 Reply

      Mr. Natural
      AskWoody Plus

      Very glad to see you aboard Susan. I used to subscribe to Windows Secrets when Brian was running the show. With you on board I’m happy to contribute to Askwoody as input from both of you has been invaluable in my 21 years as a system admin. We changed our office365 users to semi annual about a month ago after having our fill of the monthly channel fiasco. Most definitely semi annual is the way to go in a corporate environment.

      Red Ruffnsore reporting from the front lines.

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    • #177016 Reply

      ArlisT
      AskWoody Lounger

      New here. Found this during search for how to get new update to install. Anyway, in this article In you state KB4076492 is an optional update, but on my win 7 computer, notifications lists it as an important update, not an optional one. In any case, it won’t install, despite numerous attempts and suggested ‘fixes’. Anyway, Why is it just showing up now a whole month after its release, and listed as ‘important’?

      "It is better to seek forgiveness than to ask permission." ~Grace Hopper

      • #177305 Reply

        Cascadian
        AskWoody Lounger

        Hello ArlisT, KB4076492 is the February Security and Quality Rollup for all versions of .NET Framework appropriate to your Win7 computer, and carries a classification of Recommended. This will be presented to you on either page of Windows Update offerings, depending on how you have chosen to see recommended items in your Windows Update Settings. There is a box that can be checked to ‘give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates’; deselecting that box will drop any similarly classed items to the optional items page, where they will be listed in italics.

        Kristy has an index page for AskWoody KnowledgeBase topics. In here are directions for both GroupA and GroupB patching disciplines. Each of which prefers a different use of this setting.

        MrBrian has a recent topic that discusses in depth how Microsoft assigns classification to updates. I’ve re-read that now, and it may be more involved than your question is seeking.

        Anyway, Why is it just showing up now a whole month after its release, and listed as ‘important’?

        It is showing up for you now, because it is still the most recent security patches for the .NET Framework and you have not yet installed it. I also have not yet installed this item on my own machine, it is currently in my hidden list found under the label ‘Restore hidden updates’. I had delayed installing back in February because so many other items were causing conflict and I chose to set this one aside. I have not had any failures in tasks while missing this item, and currently plan to wait on the next rollup when it comes.

        If you choose to hide it, you will then be presented the January Preview of the same package, they appear to be identical offerings. That could also be hidden. If you restore both, only the February instance will be listed.

        I do not know enough to say why it has failed for you multiple times. Did you successfully install the last rollup from January, KB4055532? It would be listed by that number in your Windows Update History. But if you choose to view Installed Updates the rollup will be broken into component parts in the appropriate categories; e.g. the .NETv4.7 part is KB4074880. Or have you been skipping this patch in previous months as well?

        Your sig line was familiar in reference, but also seen recently by César. Whether also a fan of Grace, RDML Hopper, or of getting advantages where they can be grabbed, you two seem agreed either way.

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