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      • #2307510 Reply
        Susan Bradley
        Da Boss

        https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4577586/update-for-removal-of-adobe-flash-player Saying unofficial goodbye to Flash.  Note this is on the cat
        [See the full post at: Patch Lady – saying goodbye to Flash]

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2307541 Reply
        WCHS
        AskWoody Plus

        Microsoft writes:

        We are releasing this removal update in advance of end of support to help customers test and validate their environments for any impact that might occur by the removal of Adobe Flash Player.

        Where/how would one look for a resulting impact? In operational terms, what kind of environments would one test and validate?

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      • #2307544 Reply
        davefox
        AskWoody Plus

        From the KB article:

        If another security update for Adobe Flash Player is released, customers who take this removal update will still be offered the security update.

        But if I take the removal update, Flash is supposed to be removed.  Why would I be offered a security update if the software is no longer installed?

        And why is MS using a Windows update to remove Flash?  Can’t I do that myself?  Does MS generally remove third-party software via a Windows update?

      • #2307584 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        And why is MS using a Windows update to remove Flash?

        Because it’s built-in to Microsoft Edge and removing it is not straightforward.

        cheers, Paul

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      • #2307585 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Does MS generally remove third-party software via a Windows update?

        Flash is removed for security reasons.

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      • #2307604 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        Does MS generally remove third-party software via a Windows update?

        Yes, look at the issues W8/7 users had when they updated to W10.

        cheers, Paul

      • #2307851 Reply
        AngryJohnny75
        AskWoody Lounger

        Is anyone else getting the feeling that the universal uninstall of Flash is going to cause more problems than Y2K did?

        We did a preliminary test of disabling Flash for everyone a few months in advance and were surprised at how many help desk calls we received asking to have it re-enabled because some vendors, training sites, and even banks are still using it today. Some people are asking us what happens if someone demands access to Flash after the eol date?

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        • #2308259 Reply
          mledman
          AskWoody Plus

          We did a preliminary test of disabling Flash for everyone a few months in advance and were surprised at how many help desk calls we received asking to have it re-enabled because some vendors, training sites, and even banks are still using it today.

          Adobe announced Flash player EOL in July of 2017.  I’d be far more concerned about the security attitude of those vendors, training sites and banks.

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      • #2307852 Reply
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        Read here for further information:

        About that Flash-zapping patch, KB 4577586? One leeetle problem. It doesn’t remove Flash.

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      • #2311575 Reply
        lcohen10500
        AskWoody Plus

        So Microsoft in its recent Windows 10 update has entirely eliminated Adobe’s flash software.  Flash has for several years served as an entry point for malicious software generally downloaded through internet connections.  In fact most browsers have eliminated or restricted flash coding for some time now because of this.So why am I complaining?
        Well here is what that means for me (and others in similar positions): I have been using Quicken for many years – currently on version Quicken 2016.  Quicken has moved to a subscription service for some years, but I continued to use Quicken 2016 because I did not need their online service features.
        Now Quicken 2016 still loads and (mostly) operates as before.  Except it has certain functions that use a bit of flash coding – in my case the ability to do a Search (or Find) across the entire Quicken database of my financial records.If I invoke the function by clicking on “Find” Quicken tries to bring up the box to enter the search terms but it is flash based, and fails to load.  This completely locks up Quicken and I have to CTRL+ALT+DEL to close the ap.
        Note: I can still use Quicken to enter and view data as long as I stay away from the Find function (at least that is the only flash function I have found so far, there may be others).  This is a serious omission as Find is a very handy function to have in any database application.
        I cannot find fault with Quicken who no longer supports old versions of its software.  Microsoft offers work arounds that require users to go back to  previous updates to Windows 10 – but such actions are short lived if you want to keep updated versions of Windows 10.
        There may be other software that rely on parts of Flash coding that will similarly fail now either in part or entirely meaning this may be an ongoing issue for many users.
        Could this be a way that software vendors force users to update software??

        Who cares about users?

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        • #2311597 Reply
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          This completely locks up Quicken

          If you can run a virtual machine on your PC, you could run W7 unpatched and not networked, and install Quicken on that. Or you could spend $1 per week (or less).

          cheers, Paul

      • #2311590 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Could this be a way that software vendors force users to update software??

        Removing flash has nothing to do with vendors and their software forcing users… It has to do with security, stability and the world moving to html5.
        Apple never supported flash on iPhone/iPads/Macs for the reasons of security and stability.

        Removing/disabling flash is tough luck for those that still depend (software, sites..) on it. They had 3 years to prepare for the inevitable.

        • #2311667 Reply
          wavy
          AskWoody Plus

          If someone asked me if quicken had any reliance on flash I would of just laughed and said how could it. Guess I saved my self some embarrassment there! 😉
          Did quicken give a warning before failure? Not a fan of Intuit but am still using Quicken 2010. I need to try a search to see if that has a problem.

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          • #2311689 Reply
            lcohen10500
            AskWoody Plus

            Quicken 2016 gave no warning – just hangs if I try to click on “Find” which is supposed to bring up a widget to put in the search parameters.

            I have been told that Quicken 2013 (and I would surmise earlier versions) does not have a problem so I assume it does not use flash code.

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      • #2312172 Reply
        MHCLV941
        AskWoody Plus

        what happens if someone demands access to Flash after the eol date?

        If they stay in business at all, they won’t be nearly as busy.  Your problem is how badly do you need them.

      • #2312173 Reply
        MHCLV941
        AskWoody Plus

        Quicken 2016

        If I recall, Quicken supports a version for 3 years, so Quicken 2016 passed its end-of-support on the date that Quicken 2020 was released.  The same in spades for Quicken 2010, which another poster is using.

      • #2312391 Reply
        Byteman
        AskWoody Lounger

        Is there an alternative to Adobe Flash?
        Is there a way to determine if a site used requires Adobe Flash to work?

        Thanks.

      • #2312431 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Is there an alternative to Adobe Flash?
        Is there a way to determine if a site used requires Adobe Flash to work?

        Thanks.

        The alternative to Flash is HTML5.

      • #2312433 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Firefox 84 will be the last version with NPAPI plugin support

        Mozilla plans to remove support for so-called NPAPI plugins in Firefox 85 according to a post by Jim Mathies, Senior Engineering Manager, to the Mozilla Dev Platform group.

        Mozilla dropped support for all NPAPI plugins except for Adobe Flash when it released Firefox 52 in March 2017. NPAPI allowed the browser to integrate plugins to add support for content such as Silverlight or Java to the Firefox web browser….Mozilla will remove support for Adobe Flash in Firefox 85, and start the removal of NPAPI in Firefox 85 as well. There won’t be an option to restore Flash plugin support in Firefox 84 or newer.

        Firefox 84 Stable will be released on December 15, 2020, and Firefox 85 Stable on January 26, 2021.

      • #2312495 Reply
        wavy
        AskWoody Plus

        No promises but these may be of assistance:
        https://www.howtogeek.com/563875/how-to-play-old-flash-games-in-2020-and-beyond/

        https://www.howtogeek.com/438141/how-to-play-adobe-flash-swf-files-outside-your-web-browser/

        🍻

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