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      • #2283915 Reply
        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        So here’s the recent thing I noticed.  1903 offers – but does not push – the optional .net update.   1909 does not do this optional offering. Fur
        [See the full post at: Patch Lady – the different “offerings”]

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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      • #2283930 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        At some stage I’ve x3 W10 1909 to upgrade. Bored in C19-Lockdown. I took a chance on my project machine; 32-Bit Atom 1.6GHZ, 2GRam. It took 15-hours to upgrade 1909-2004. The only thing I had to do was rebuild my personal themes. Otherwise, good-2-go.

        ps. A 33-RPM record-deck is quicker than this machine. But, it’s still functional.

      • #2283937 Reply
        Tex265
        AskWoody Plus

        Your first screen “Windows Update” including the Download button looks to me as the exact same screen that I get with V1909 with my Group Policy for Windows Update set to 2 (download but do not install).

        Windows 10 Pro x64 v1909 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
        • #2283939 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Group Policy for Windows Update set to 2 (download but do not install).

          That is not correct.
          The GP “2” is “notify download/install.” It gives a “Download” button that, when clicked, downloads and initiates install. It remains at the “Restart” until your active hours end or you click the “Restart” button, but the installation is in place..

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          • #2283942 Reply
            Tex265
            AskWoody Plus

            PK  you are correct, I stated that incorrectly.  It does notify not download until the button is clicked.

            (Exception, at least on my system, Defender updates will also notify but when I click Download they do install).

            Windows 10 Pro x64 v1909 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
      • #2283940 Reply
        pHROZEN gHOST
        AskWoody Lounger

        Microsoft’s approach to updates is definitely s****ed up. You never know how they are going to change things from release to release. I never click “check for updates”. Maybe it isn’t as dangerous now as it once was. But, there’s no telling what they might do to it next.

        I have feature updates delayed 90 days and other updates delayed 15 days. At least that way I have some form of control over Microsoft’s insanity.

        Byte me!

        • #2283947 Reply
          dmt_3904
          AskWoody Plus

          I was thinking the same thing!  It’s so unfair and ridiculous the way MS treats their customers!!

          I could switch to Apple but I just don’t think it would be easy for me  : (

          I could go on & on, but then I‘d have to move this reply to the rants forum.

          It does help to have this community of users.

          • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by dmt_3904.
      • #2283941 Reply
        Brocktoon
        AskWoody Lounger

        I’m running Windows 10 Home 1909 … when I recently ‘resumed’ updates for the cumulative update I got the .NET preview pushed as it acted like I ‘checked’ for updates.

        For Windows 10 Home 1909 users, here’s a scenario:

        If a non-security cumulative preview (not .NET) is released towards the end of a month while we have updates paused, and then Woody eventually goes to Defcon 3 and tells us to get patched … Does that mean we’ll get the cumulative PREVIEW pushed instead of the tested monthly cumulative update since we pressed ‘resume’?

        I’m wondering if we will now have only a small window in which to pause updates right before patch Tuesday, and then need to resume updates before the ‘previews’ are released so that we don’t trigger an auto update of the preview via ‘checking’.

        Hopefully the above made sense?

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        • #2283943 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          One thing you can TRY:
          Have wushowhide on your desktop. Before you Resume Pause, set metered connections ON, then Resume. I think that will keep the big updates, like the CU, from downloading immediately. I think you will have to turn metered connections OFF before the CU will download.
          I not sure if that will stop the .NET Preview (it may not be big enough), but if it does, it may give you time to hide the Preview with wushowhide, then clear the update queue, and download only what you want to download.

          There are guarantees on this method.

        • #2283944 Reply
          woody
          Da Boss

          It makes sense – sounds exactly like the sequence I saw on my two 1909 machines.

          https://www.computerworld.com/article/3568351/windows-update-is-a-bifurcated-mess.html

          (I was very surprised to see Susan’s results with 1903 – mind-boggling how many bugs are running around!)

          This month we’re OK because the .NET Preview doesn’t seem to be having any problems. But if it were a buggy mess, we’d be in very deep dreck.

          Corollary: This month’s DEFCON 3 instructions are going to be horrendous. Imagine trying to explain this to a “normal” Windows customer.

          • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by woody.
          • #2283956 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            Wouldn’t be easier for you just to choose and recommend of one of these tools (possibly with Sledgehammer from MDL added to the list) to “normal” Windows customers / loungers at this point?

            Just a thought. I’m sure @abbodi86 and many others would gladly help to choose the best of these for safe and long time use.

            Controlling Win10 patches with greatly presented but less and less understandable ways just becoming more and more ridiculous for the cautious everyday user.

      • #2283972 Reply
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        So here’s the recent thing I noticed.  1903 offers – but does not push – the optional .net update.   1909 does not do this optional offering. Fur
        [See the full post at: Patch Lady – the different “offerings”]

        my dad’s Toshiba laptop running Win10 Home v1909 [not v1903] got automatically pushed the .NET KB4562900 update when first released last week on July 21. So I get a different result for 1909 than with your 1909 systems, Susan.

        MS also pushed the optional .NET KB4562902 patch on my LTSC 2019 v1809 system automatically after checking for updates there.

      • #2283969 Reply
        gborn
        AskWoody_MVP

        I’ve covered it this night within my English Windows 10 installs .NET Framwork Preview Update KB4562902 withouth user consent and German Windows 10 installiert ungefragt .NET Framwork Preview Update KB4562902 blog – after an Ex MVP colleague pointed out his observation.

        One German reader came back and left a comment, that on his V1909 machine optional updates has been offered via download and install link. But after the paused optional update thing (the corona virus moratorium) the optional preview .NET update was pushed on the machines …

        it seems to me that Microsoft has lost its track again.

        Or to say it with Susan Bradley (see this old post): A while ago I had put in place a “Pinocchio” scale.  I’d put a graphic on a post when I felt Microsoft wasn’t being transparent enough.    I think I need another graphic.  One that represents when your Company hasn’t earned our trust.

         

        Microsoft Windows Insider MVP, Microsoft Answers Community Moderator, Blogger, Book author

        https://www.borncity.com/win/

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      • #2284104 Reply
        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Well, perhaps something has changed with the way MS is doing at least some of the updates.

        I am currently fighting an upgrade to my Win10 Dev Channel Insider Preview. But in the process I tried to hide the 2020-07 Cumulative Update for .NET 3.5 & 4.8 (according to the name, not a “Preview”) so as not to have anything but the Build upgrade installed.

        I find I can no longer clear the Windows Update queue after hiding the .NET update. That means, if I click the “Download” button, that update is going to get pushed to my computer, like it or not. I have always been able to clear the queue with the procedure in AKB2000013, but it doesn’t seem to work on the .NET now.

        Perhaps something has changed.

      • #2284124 Reply
        abbodi86
        AskWoody_MVP

        If you have 2020-07-14 Security .NET CU installed, the 2020-07-21 Preview .NET CU will be detected and offered during the scheduled scans (technical term Non Interactive)

        and since it’s handled by the legacy WU agent, the only way not to get it auto-installed is either metered connection or policy AUOptions = 2

        if you don’t have the Security installed, the Preview one won’t show up during the scheduled scans

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        • #2284134 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          I have “2” set for download. So the B week Security CU didn’t auto download, it was in the queue. But I could not clear it from the queue after I hid it with wushowhide. wushowhide no longer showed it available, but I still couldn’t clear it from the queue. No Preview showed up.

           

      • #2286377 Reply
        Carl D
        AskWoody Lounger

        Bit late to the party but here’s what just happened with my Windows 10 Professional 2004 (Clean install done at the end of May with July updates already installed).

        I have updates stopped and paused with StopUpdates10 – I don’t use the options available in O&O’s ShutUp for Windows Update.

        After I resumed updates and unblocked them with StopUpdates I checked for updates, first thing I had to do was reboot the computer because Windows Update was throwing an error about not being able to update because “an update service was shutting down”???

        Anyway, after the reboot I checked again and got this with no option to say yes or no.

        update

        Not cool, Microsoft. I am about to restore a Macrium image which I made a couple of days back (I have the paid version so it only needs to restore the parts of Windows that have changed since the image was made hence less “wear and tear” on my SSD) and Windows Update will now stay blocked (except Defender updates which I can do through StopUpdates10 while other updates are blocked) until later in the month.

        Gigabyte GA-B250M-D3H Motherboard, Intel i5-7600 CPU, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Professional 2004 64bit.

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        • #2286384 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          If  you clicked “Check for Updates,” that is why you got KB4563899.
          “Check for Updates” does not mean “check.”
          It means download and install whatever is available.

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          • #2286389 Reply
            Carl D
            AskWoody Lounger

            Nope, didn’t even have the option to click “Check for Updates”

            As soon as I clicked on “Update & Security” in Windows Settings it went straight to the screenshot in my last post.

            Might have something to do with the way Windows Updates  are resumed and restored with StopUpdates10? I’ll just have to remember to keep an eye on this in future.

            Edit: actually, from memory, if you pause updates (which I do with StopUpdates10, not Windows 10’s own settings) when you resume them Windows will then download and install all available updates without prompting users, I think that’s right?

            But, I don’t like that happening with Preview updates, of course.

            Gigabyte GA-B250M-D3H Motherboard, Intel i5-7600 CPU, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Professional 2004 64bit.

            • #2286391 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              Never have used StopUpdates 10.
              I don’t use third-party blockers. I try to work with something I know how it works. Using Windows built-in functions, resuming updates after Pause, or the Pause period ending is an immediate download/install of available (pending) updates without any notice.

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              • #2286392 Reply
                Carl D
                AskWoody Lounger

                Yep, thanks PKCano. I just realized that and edited my previous post before I saw yours.

                Gigabyte GA-B250M-D3H Motherboard, Intel i5-7600 CPU, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Professional 2004 64bit.

        • #2286393 Reply
          dmt_3904
          AskWoody Plus

          On a different subject,

          I am about to restore a Macrium image which I made a couple of days back (I have the paid version so it only needs to restore the parts of Windows that have changed since the image was made hence less “wear and tear” on my SSD)

          I also have a paid version of Macrium.  I have never had to do a restore & didn’t know I could restore only the parts of windows were changed – is this what you’re referring to?

          https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW72/Rapid+Delta+Restore+-+RDR

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          • #2286399 Reply
            Carl D
            AskWoody Lounger

            Hi,

            yes, that’s it. And, I think you’ll find that your paid version of Macrium Reflect uses this all the time by default.

            Here’s a screenshot of mine (with the default setting):

            restore

            (Sorry for the off topic posts).

            Gigabyte GA-B250M-D3H Motherboard, Intel i5-7600 CPU, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Professional 2004 64bit.

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