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Patch Lady – this is what drives me insane about preview releases
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July 31, 2020 at 2:51 pm #2284633
Susan Bradley
ManagerToday we got preview updates for 2004: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/net-framework-july-2020-cumulative-update-preview-for-windows-10-version-
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July 31, 2020 at 3:07 pm #2284641
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July 31, 2020 at 4:24 pm #2284666
Barry
AskWoody PlusI noticed a oddity. When i hit check for updates it offered the .net update and and below that it had a message click here to view optional updates (or something close to that i should have done a screenshot) it then took me to a different screen where i had to check the box next to to the Cumulative update then click download and install. Must be something new in 2004.
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July 31, 2020 at 7:56 pm #2284703
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July 31, 2020 at 4:43 pm #2284670
bbearren
AskWoody MVPKB4562899 Cumulative Update Preview for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 2004 for x64 is installed, no hiccups so far.
Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!"When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns"Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware1 user thanked author for this post.
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July 31, 2020 at 8:47 pm #2284709
abbodi86
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August 1, 2020 at 8:16 am #2285312
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August 1, 2020 at 4:57 pm #2285432
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August 5, 2020 at 9:08 am #2286493
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August 2, 2020 at 1:44 pm #2285585
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August 2, 2020 at 4:44 pm #2285619
mcbsys
AskWoody LoungerIMO there something wrong with how the .NET preview KB4562900 is coded.
Previews should be optional, i.e. with BrowseOnly=True. But this one has BrowseOnly=False, meaning that when you seek for updates on Win10 1909, the Preview gets installed:
Is there some way to tell Microsoft to fix this? In the meantime, the only safeguard I can think of is to use wushowhide to hide it.
Here are the details from my PowerShell script:
Checking for update 4562900 -------------------------------------------------------- KBArticleIDs: 4562900 Title: 2020-07 Cumulative Update Preview for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 1909 for x64 (KB4562900) UpdateID: d8cbe3a9-bcf6-4b76-8e21-e6b063bdc2a9 RevisionNumber: 201 LastDeploymentChangeTime: 7/21/2020 12:00:00 AM MsrcSeverity: IsDownloaded: False IsHidden: False IsInstalled: False IsMandatory: False IsPresent: False BrowseOnly: False IsUninstallable: False MinDownloadSize: 0 MaxDownloadSize: 77610497 RebootRequired: False AutoSelection: 1 AutoDownload: 2 SecurityBulletinIDs: SupersededUpdateIDs: 299949d5-edf0-4ab7-ad37-4d0a62fd664d
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August 2, 2020 at 7:00 pm #2285636
abbodi86
AskWoody_MVPFirst of all, the new .NET CU Preview is nothing different from all previous non-security .NET CU
it just has the term “Preview” in labelin my understanding, BrowseOnly attribute has no effect on Windows 10, thus not used
if you compare the attributes of .NET CU Security vs non-Security you notice this difference
.NET CU Security
AutoSelectOnWebSites : True (automatically selected by Windows Update as important update)
AutoSelection : 0
AutoDownload : 0.NET CU non-Security (Preview)
AutoSelectOnWebSites : False
AutoSelection : 1
AutoDownload : 2this is the visible difference
there are also another hidden difference related to Interactive configuration in the search criteria, which- only WU can set and change
in the case of Interactive scan (i.e. Seeker):
.NET Preview CU will be offered and installed regardlessin the case of non-Interactive scan (i.e. scheduled scan):
– if .NET Security CU is not yet installed, .NET Preview CU will be flagged as potentially superseded, and WU will not offer it
– if .NET Security CU is already installed, .NET Preview CU will be offered and installedp.s. how did you managed to insert the details here as block code? 🙂
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August 3, 2020 at 1:16 pm #2285880
mcbsys
AskWoody LoungerBlock code: I pasted text, selected it, then set drop-down to Preformatted.
Thanks for this info. I’ve added that important AutoSelectOnWebSites field to my script.
Still having trouble wrapping my mind around how anything flagged as a Preview can be automatically installed, even if I “seek.” To me, “Preview” implies a look ahead at something we plan to release for real in the future. Which I’ve always interpreted as, “ignore this while others test it.”
You’re right though. On a machine where I haven’t installed 4562900, the previous CU, which is still installed, is coded the same way but does not include the word “Preview”:
Checking for update 4565633 -------------------------------------------------------- KBArticleIDs: 4565633 Title: 2020-07 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 1909 (KB4565633) UpdateID: a4fa30a1-592f-4d6a-9bec-d8220c91459d RevisionNumber: 200 LastDeploymentChangeTime: 7/14/2020 12:00:00 AM MsrcSeverity: Critical IsDownloaded: True IsHidden: False IsInstalled: True IsMandatory: False IsPresent: True BrowseOnly: False IsUninstallable: True MinDownloadSize: 0 MaxDownloadSize: 42914096 RebootRequired: False AutoSelectOnWebSites: True AutoSelection: 0 AutoDownload: 0 SecurityBulletinIDs: SupersededUpdateIDs: 63ea98c8-f7c8-4581-bf9f-30c453d3bb8c
By the way, I tried using a script to uninstall 4562900 on the first machine, but it seems
IsUninstallable: False
is correct–it didn’t uninstall.
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August 4, 2020 at 9:44 am #2286222
abbodi86
AskWoody_MVPThanks
Preview is just bad choice of words, non-security updates exist since XP
but, Windows 10 lost control on updates since day one, Microsoft believe that all updates would/should be installed 😀i doubt if KB4562900 itself is permanent (like servicing stack updates)
however, starting v1903, if you ran Disk Cleanup – Update Cleanup or Dism /StartComponentCleanup, all updates will become not Uninstallable
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August 5, 2020 at 12:19 pm #2286558
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August 4, 2020 at 1:33 pm #2286311
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August 5, 2020 at 4:33 am #2286444
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August 5, 2020 at 8:54 am #2286489
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August 5, 2020 at 2:01 pm #2286600
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August 5, 2020 at 8:59 am #2286491
dmt_3904
AskWoody PlusI just got that too. Did you install it? I ran wushowhide, but it doesn’t come up in there! It only shows one Windows Defender update (and there are two of those). What is the current advice on 2020-07 Cumulative Update Preview for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 1909 for x64 (KB4562900)?
I have my GP settings to ask before downloading – so it’s waiting. I would have to clear my update Q to get rid of this if advice is to not install.
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August 6, 2020 at 4:58 am #2286701
Alex5723
AskWoody PlusThe advice is not to install preview updates unless you have a sever bugs fixed by the preview.
.NET updates are commutative so Aug. patch Tuesday .NET will replace the preview.wushowhide on my 1909 showed the preview which I have hidden.
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