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    • #1904850 Reply

      Susan Bradley
      AskWoody MVP

      One of the issues I’ve seen reported after the inplace upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is printer failures. So much so that you can’t get printer
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      Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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    • #1905194 Reply

      AskWoody Plus

      As I’ve always said the best tool for fixing issues with Windows is another functional computer.  To both search for fixes as well as steal registry keys and functional code from.

      Agree this would be nice, but per the reason for the Defcon rating many are on their own with one computer at a time.  Perhaps if possible someone could post the files referenced in your article links here or somewhere for those folks?

      Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64
      • #1905336 Reply

        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        In this case it’s specific printer files, so it’s not generic enough to post.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

        • #1906876 Reply

          AskWoody Lounger

          Besides, I’ve found that some (model or at least product line specific) printer drivers that worked fine with Windows 7 no longer work quite right with Windows 10.

          So far it seems that this is mostly drivers that were supposed to be compatible with “Windows XP or newer” or something, but…

          Hopefully long-lived printers can take Generic PostScript or Generic PCL5 or something like that, because it’s not a given that a working model-specific driver for W10 exists.

          Oh and in case it’s a print server that stops working, get driver isolation turned on. That seems to fix about 60% of the cases.

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      What about some In Place upgrade love for any Widows 8/8.1 Pro laptops that came with Windows 7 Pro downgrade installs and the owners reinstalling 8/8.1 and staying away from 10 until at least 2023. There are millions of Business Grade laptops that shipped with 8 Pro, and 8.1 Pro licenses on the laptops and those laptops getting a factory downgraded  to Windows 7 Pro, via Pro Version downgrade rights.

      So many will have had their Business Grade laptops shipped with sets of Windows 8/8.1 Pro and Windows 7 Pro recovery DVDs. My HP Probook shipped with 2 sets of recovery DVDs one for Windows 8 Pro and one for Windows 7 Pro and millions of Business Grade laptops where sold that have Windows 8 Pro licenses that give the owners the option/rights to install Windows 8 and do an in place upgrade to windows 8.1 and using that until 2023.

      I’m one of those business grade Laptop Owners that do not have any Enterprise/Volume licensed version of Windows 7 Pro so I can not qualify for any extended Windows 7 Pro extended security updates until 2023(For an extra cost). But I have a Windows 8 License  on the laptop and that license has stated rights to support until 2023 and I’d assume that I have upgrade rights to Windows 8.1 because MS replaced Windows 8 with Windows 8.1 and both have to have the same support date until 2023 with it being done via a guarantee that Windows 8 Pro licensees having some implied rights to Windows 8.1 pro in order to receive that stated Windows 8 support until 2023.

      There are still millions of Windows 7 Pro version based business laptops that are actually Windows 8/8.1 Pro laptops with 7 Pro factory downgrade  installed on millions of laptops up until windows 8.1 whet into it’s final 5 years of extended support on January 9, 2017. So if that laptop has an 8/8.1 Pro license then that laptop has at the very least been vetted/certified for 8/8.1 and will do fine with 8.1 and some third party software to keep the TIFKAM out of the way until 2023.

      Windows 10 is too new for any of those older laptops to actually be fully vetted/certified to run Windows 10 without issues like this so what about some 7 to 8/8.1 upgrade info for potentially millions of Business grade laptops sold until 2017, and probably a little later that still will have OS rights to 8/8.1 until 2023.

    • #1905441 Reply

      AskWoody Plus

      That is such a sad, but oh so true, commentary on Windows-10.  Having to also maintain a separate PC to fix Windows-10 problems is so ridiculous.  The reasons to keep Windows-7 just keep coming and coming- with MS seemingly not caring at all.

    • #1905817 Reply

      AskWoody Plus

      Another “flavor” of W10 and Multi-Func Printer setup is what Canon had me do for my former printer. A newer (replacement) HP MF Printer inst’d without issue.

      Nothing like these examples cited but offered for the rare case similarity to my scenario-

      USB Un-plugged / Ran Canon MF Printer Install app / Re-attached USB

      In W10 Settings / Bluetooth & Other Devices / Devices & Printers @ Far Rt Column

      Rt Clk on Canon Printer Icon – “Set as Default Printer” Choose Canon MF4500 UFRIIL LT

      Rt Clk Printer Properties & Select Canon MF4500 UFRIIL LT / Did a Test Pg & all worked

      SCAN didn’t work after Print Fixed: Rt Clk (desktop) Canon Toolbox Shtcut/ Properties/ Compatibility Tab/ Run as Windows 8 … Scan then Worked

      W10 1903-18362.267 Home / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / i5-8400/ 12 GB / 256 SSD + 1 TB HDD / InSpectre = GREEN

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    • #1905907 Reply

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      “As I’ve always said the best tool for fixing issues with Windows is another functional computer. To both search for fixes as well as steal registry keys and functional code from.”

      I agree with that. Always have.
      — I had to learn how to use computers OTJ in 1985 w/o any training.
      — I discovered how to acquire a refurbished or used computer at an excellently low price and/or free.

      In today’s world I had picked up a Dell Inspiron 580 Windows 7 Pro and upgraded it to Windows 10 Pro when it was available for free.
      — I got that computer for free from someone who more than complained that the computer was a piece of crap to put it politely.
      — Fortunately it wasn’t hardly any effort to “uncrap” it: I offered to return it the original owner: no way was the answer.
      — I use that computer to test some items that need to be checked out when applicable as well as conduct some experiments.
      — With a monthly maintenance plan and system image backups, the computer still runs as good as new.

      When I have to service a Windows 7 or 8 computer that needs more than a simple fix, I use a system image backup to attain the computers status.
      — In the end, the owner gets a USB Recovery Drive as well as a System Image Backup if they agree to it.
      — Unfortunately most users don’t agree to go to those recommendations: I believe we all know that isn’t uncommon but it is what it is.
      — But they get a copy of a report from me on the results that includes what was refused to do.

      BTW, I’m not in the computer business, I’m just a volunteer at our Senior Center.

      HP EliteBook 8540w laptop Windows 10 Pro (x64)

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