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     EP 3 days, 13 hours ago.

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    • #1848878 Reply

      Susan Bradley
      AskWoody MVP

      Yes this is an infamous Acer Spin with the 32 gig of hard drive space that can’t get an upgrade to 1903 right now.  Stay tuned as I monitor and see wh
      [See the full post at: Patch Lady – well not quite ready]

      Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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    • #1848913 Reply

      anonymous

      Microsoft has said the 32 GB limit applies to clean installs.

      I recently tested this taking a system, wiping the hard drive, and clean installing 1903.

      At the end, 21GB was used.

      If the user puts all personal files on an Micro SD card, there should be enough storage space.

      RAM would probably be more of a limiting factor.

       

       

      • #1848966 Reply

        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        To get it to 1809 (it was on 1803) I had to disable hibernation, uninstall LibreOffice.  There’s no files on this little guy.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

    • #1848915 Reply

      NetDef
      AskWoody_MVP

      I’ve come to appreciate and anticipate your WMC (Windows Mine Canary)!  😀

      ~ Group "Weekend" ~

    • #1848981 Reply

      Elly
      AskWoody MVP

      This notification has in large letters, “What Needs Your Attention”, and goes on to say that the hardware isn’t ready for this version of W10- which gives me the feeling something should be done by me to fix or replace the hardware.

      “This PC cannot be upgraded to W10”

      Its on W10… but with Windows as a perpetually updating service, its headed for an early demise…

      But…in smaller letters it says no action is needed… and Windows Update will offer the version once the issue has been resolved. If the actual problem is the hardware, that is something that Microsoft can’t change, right?

      Shouldn’t it say that their version isn’t ready for your hardware since no action is needed on your part, except patience in waiting for the new version? They will resolve the issue? I’m assuming they will do a software resolution of some kind… they could even say that the hardware and W10 software are not compatible… but they make the focus the of the problem be on your hardware.

      The customer and their hardware should not be viewed as The Problem. It devalues the customer and reinforces that the customer must adapt to Microsoft, not that Microsoft needs to provide products that serve their customers and is committed to doing so. Maybe it is the problem to be solved for the software developers… but its their job to design their software to work on the hardware specs that Microsoft has set for it. The problems between the specifications Microsoft sets and the operating system that Microsoft offers need to be resolved in house, and not dumped on end users to resolve.

      One of the changes that Microsoft and its partners need to make is to commit to supporting their own recommended minimum hardware specs for about 10 years… and that might mean supporting a version of W10 that works with that hardware for longer than the current end of life is now. That way, if anyone buys a lower, but ‘acceptable’, piece of hardware, they have assurance that there will be an operating system that continues to be compatible for it, for a decent length of time, and not intentionally or neglectfully be made the Problem to be solved by the customer buying new hardware.

      Its odd… an ‘average’ customer is seen as too non-techy to be trusted to update as suits their needs, but must be techy enough to deal with blue and black screen problems, network problems, driver problems, and various workarounds for their particular hardware? (Or any other issues introduced by updating), as well as adapt to a constantly changing system?

      Susan, I look forward to hearing how your Acer Spin fares!

      Win 7 Home, 64 bit, Group B

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      • #1850207 Reply

        anonymous

        In MS’s case the average customer is, for the most part, more the captive on any OEM laptops and all but a very few laptops are OEM restricted to a greater degree than on PCs. But really how could Acer have not anticipated any Windows OS bloat growth trends what with that bloat growth being a thing since forever. So with regards to the needed disk drive size over-provisioning to accommodate for the end user’s needs and the Windows OS bloat growth trends over time  for the Acer Spin with only 32 gigs of storage space Acer really laid an egg with that product’s minimal storage space specifications.

        So it’s the laptop’s date of manufacture and the disk size requirements of the Windows version that was in active support at that device’s time of manufacture  plus some average end user personal disk space needed metric plus the required amount of free disk space needed by the system to perform an OS upgrade. And in addition to that whatever OS bloat metric that could be calculated looking at past OS bloat trends to provide a method(Mathematical OS bloat growth function) for some extrapolated into the future bloat growth factor to more fully account for OS/System disk space needed over the usable life of the device.

        And for Windows 10 especially that bloat growth trend now occurs across the new bi annual update cycle with many new features(Plenty of new bloat)  creeping in over time.  That’s more bloating for one OS version that’s supposed to be the last version that’s issued with that new bi annual update cadence taking over in place of any higher OS numbering. There is even the Candy Crush factor where some crapware remains a factor even after the end user removes the crapware only to have that return after some update cycle on Windows 10.

        If I shop for any Windows OS laptop then that laptop is really going to need at least 256GB of storage for the C/System drive or I’m not really willing to purchase but there really has to be some logical low end metrics set for minimal System Drive size for Windows with at least double, and then some,  the minimum necessary Widows OS required drive size for any device that’s expected to last 5 years before obsolescence begins to become a large enough factor to consider.

        I realize that the PC/Laptop market technology change is currently in an accelerated phase due in the most part to increased competitive market pressures but one has to consider the device’s usable life-cycle before making any purchasing decisions and 32GB is really not been enough for a few good years now as far as the OS and minimal end user/system storage needs are concerned.

        • #1850260 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          See the system requirements published by Microsoft linked here.
          The laptop manufacturer is simply taking advantage of MS’s unrealistic figures and the buyer’s ignorance to sell whatever they can get away with.

    • #1849107 Reply

      MikeMc
      AskWoody Lounger

      I saw a message in Windows Update this morning about 1903 being out but not ready for my computer, or any other of my 8 Windows 10.1809 computers. Various types of computers; workstations, laptops, tablets, htpc, etc.

      I’m suspecting that 1903 is not really ready for general distribution, but MS doesn’t want to admit this publicly. So you get the message ‘available, but not for YOUR computer’. Helps them save face.

      My Windows 1903 Issues during testing after it’s released:

      1) Start Menu: ms-resource:appDisplayName; old issue not fixed.

      2) Start Menu: ms-resource:appAppName/Text; old issue not fixed.

      3) svchost (876,R,98) TILEREPOSITORYS-1-5-18: Error -1023 (0xfffffc01) occurred while opening logfile C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\systemprofile\AppData\Local\TileDataLayer\Database\EDB.log.

      Folders missing and must be added manually:
      C:\WINDOWS\system32\config\systemprofile\AppData\Local\TileDataLayer\Database\

      4) The application-specific permission settings do not grant Local Activation permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
      {9E175B6D-F52A-11D8-B9A5-505054503030}
      and APPID
      {9E175B9C-F52A-11D8-B9A5-505054503030}
      to the user <domain>\<user> SID (S-1-5-21-4054344115-3099168799-2196126696-1164) from address LocalHost (Using LRPC) running in the application container Unavailable SID (Unavailable). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool. ; Old issue not fixed.

      5) Remote desktop blank screen with Intel Q45/Q43 chipset. Use Microsoft Basic Display Adapter as a temporary fix.

      6) if you end up with a System Reserved and a Recovery partition, it’s probably because you have a Recovery folder in the System Reserved partition.

      If you want to get rid of the Recovery partition, restore the previous version of Windows (I use Macrium Reflect), mount the System Reserved partition with a letter and remove the Recovery folder. Remove the drive letter and then upgrade Windows 10 again.

      FYI, I rebuilt 5 machines over the last 2 weeks on 1809 and it was worth every hour. The last time they were rebuilt was for Windows 8.1; just a constant series of updates since then. Virtually every little nagging issue went away and my OS backups are now about 10% smaller.

      Mike

    • #1849116 Reply

      VulturEMaN
      AskWoody Lounger
    • #1849390 Reply

      MrChaz
      AskWoody Lounger

      Time for a storage upgrade and a fresh install is the answer, especially if the device is out of OEM support. Doing anything otherwise is delaying the inevitable and will just need replicating in the future. I say bite the bullet, upgrade the storage and save yourself the headache the next and subsequent feature upgrade/s. The current 32Gb storage can be put to good use elsewhere as a backup drive or similar.

      illegitimi Non Carborundum
    • #1849763 Reply

      AngryJohnny75
      AskWoody Lounger

      I’m not sure if the Acer Spin is like the Acer Cloudbook. Late last year, a friend of mine had me fix his Acer Cloudbook with a 32GB eMMC. It was stuck on Win10 1507 in November 2018. After uninstalling everything I could (including O365 trial), it still didn’t have enough free disk space to install the 1803 upgrade through Windows Update. I had to use two USB flash drives – one that utilized the 1803 Media Creation Tool, and the other just for additional free disk space. That method allowed the Acer Cloudbook to upgrade to 1803, which it is still running today.

      As for the 1903 upgrade, there was an issue involving USB drives connected to the system. Microsoft had since mitigated the issue but it is still being blocked. So in that case the above USB drive method still won’t work for the 1903 upgrade as long as the block is still in place.

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         AngryJohnny75.
    • #1849912 Reply

      Metanis
      AskWoody Lounger

      I ran into this yesterday while trying to update 1903 over top of 1809 using a flash drive. The failure message linked to a Microsoft explanation about drive letters which made me think to try an alternative method of installation so I coped the 1903 folders to a network share and then successfully updated all my machines to 1903  without any additional problems or warning messages.

       

      Each of my machines use a 256GB SSD for the OS and also contain a traditional 1TB HDD for File History backups. Those additional drives are all set as E: in Disk Management. (You guessed it… the DVD drive is D:) The Flash drive was assigned F: on insertion. It would appear this “custom” drive arrangement is considered a potential failure point so the installer has been programmed to “fail” and decline to perform the update.

    • #1851017 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      New Microsoft message regarding PC compatibility with Windows 10 1903

      Windows 10 notifies when your PC is not ready for May 2019 Update

      https://www.windowslatest.com/2019/06/20/windows-10-can-now-notify-if-your-pc-is-not-ready-for-may-2019-update/

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    • #1856812 Reply

      WildChild
      AskWoody Lounger

      Hi Susan,

      I am still trying to learn exactly how to post questions to you on the forum so please forgive me if this is not the correct place.   I wanted to make a suggestion about the patch watch list.

      Would it be possible for you to add the Last Updated Date beside the PDF lists so I don’t have to open each one to see if it has been updated?  Example on Windows 10 PDF below.

      Click here to download our new Win10 Master Patch List spreadsheet.  Windows 7 and other platforms are below:

      PDF of Windows 10 patch info is here.   Updated on 06/15/2019

      PDF of Older Windows platforms is here.   

      PDF of Office updates is here.

      Thanks for all you do.

      J

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         WildChild.
    • #1874484 Reply

      EP
      AskWoody_MVP

      I’m not sure if the Acer Spin is like the Acer Cloudbook. Late last year, a friend of mine had me fix his Acer Cloudbook with a 32GB eMMC. It was stuck on Win10 1507 in November 2018. After uninstalling everything I could (including O365 trial), it still didn’t have enough free disk space to install the 1803 upgrade through Windows Update. I had to use two USB flash drives – one that utilized the 1803 Media Creation Tool, and the other just for additional free disk space. That method allowed the Acer Cloudbook to upgrade to 1803, which it is still running today.

      As for the 1903 upgrade, there was an issue involving USB drives connected to the system. Microsoft had since mitigated the issue but it is still being blocked. So in that case the above USB drive method still won’t work for the 1903 upgrade as long as the block is still in place.

      Microsoft has changed that status of the external USB devices problem as being “resolved” as of July 11 but does not say how it was resolved:
      https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-information/resolved-issues-windows-10-1903

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