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    • #1896626 Reply

      Susan Bradley
      AskWoody MVP

      Just reading “how to geeks” birthday list of all the changes we’ve seen. So, what’s your favorite change you’ve seen?  What’s the biggest change you d
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      Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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    • #1896629 Reply

      Zaphyrus
      AskWoody Lounger

      Unrealiable Feature Updates that are forced to you,  That’s what I hate the most of windows 10

      Just someone who don't want Windows to mess with its computer.
    • #1896665 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      Going over the new ‘best’ 15 features in 4 years ! I didn’t find anything productive or anything that fixed users frustration with Windows 10.

      4 users thanked author for this post.
    • #1896676 Reply

      doriel
      AskWoody Lounger

      I do not like these “general error 0x000000c” notifications that gives you no clue whats happenning (I like Linux because you can see which file is being processed during upgrades etc.)

      I like most the Alt+X shortcut. Saves me lot of time.

      I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.
      --- Thomas A. Edison

      • #1898962 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Plus

        I like most the Alt+X shortcut. Saves me lot of time.

        What does that do?

        Knuckle dragger Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Crazy/Ignorant Toxic drinker Blockhead Unwashed mass Seeker/Sucker "Ancient/Obsolete" (Group ASAP) Win10 v.1903

        • #1901003 Reply

          doriel
          AskWoody Lounger

          It lets you access instantly Control panels, Printers, Device Manager, power Manager and very lot of places I usually need to do some setup.

          I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.
          --- Thomas A. Edison

          • #1901110 Reply

            b
            AskWoody Plus

            Isn’t that Win+X?

            Knuckle dragger Cannon fodder Chump Daft glutton Idiot Crazy/Ignorant Toxic drinker Blockhead Unwashed mass Seeker/Sucker "Ancient/Obsolete" (Group ASAP) Win10 v.1903

          • #1901161 Reply

            access-mdb
            AskWoody MVP

            Right clicking on the windows icon also brings it up

    • #1896687 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      Personal favorites:

      • The ability to Pause cumulative updates, particularly for Home users, added in 1903
      • Snip & Sketch
      • Winkey + v for an enhanced clipboard

      The first one is probably the most important. The latter two have better third party alternatives, and should’ve been built into the base release four years ago.

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    • #1896693 Reply

      AngryJohnny75
      AskWoody Lounger

      Best Windows 10 change: being able to paste text into a cmd prompt using CTRL-V

      Least favorite: Where do I start? How about the feature upgrade concept. Need a reason why? This one is a favorite:

      https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4013822/network-provider-settings-are-removed-during-an-in-place-upgrade-to-wi

    • #1896702 Reply

      anonymous

      The real question is how old would Windows 10 be today if Microsoft had waited until they had finished making it before releasing it to the general public for worldwide distribution? I would say probably one year old.

      • #1896714 Reply

        anonymous

        Except that Microsoft has no testing or QA departments in place anymore, so without their unpaid beta testers they would be incapable of releasing a finished product!  It would forever be Windows 10 beta.

        But that would have allowed almost four more years of collecting data from focus groups that could then be completely ignored!

    • #1896735 Reply

      zero2dash
      AskWoody Lounger

      Like: More control over updates, compared to launch

      Dislike: Less control over updates, compared to every other version of Windows

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    • #1896737 Reply

      GreatAndPowerfulTech
      AskWoody Lounger

      The original Edge (Project Spartan) was a near useless browser originally. It’s better now, but is finally being replaced by a superior performing Chromium version. Since Edge (Project Spartan), were based on Windows 8’s Internet Explorer app, it has taken Microsoft seven years to admit that one of the few crucial parts of Windows, that they seriously messed up, was ready to put into Hospice. I dislike the arrogance shown toward users that made their opinions known on IE-app and Edge from the start, by Microsoft, on this issue.

      GreatAndPowerfulTech

    • #1896757 Reply

      gkarasik
      AskWoody Lounger

      “wow Windows 10 is four years old”

      Will the beta be over soon?

      GaryK

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    • #1896758 Reply

      anonymous

      Microsoft are still not going to push many beyond Windows 7, or even Windows 8.1 with a third party product to turn all that TIFKAM madness off. It’s a control issue that MS has and plenty of PC/Laptop users that do not like that control over their systems in Microsoft’s hands.

      It’s 4 years on and it’s only been by attrition that Windows 10 has barely gained the larger part of the Windows OS versions market share. And Windows 7 is still installed on a very significant number of systems even going on 7+ years after Windows 8/8.1 and Windows 10 were introduced.

      MS broke the UI with Windows 8 and never really fixed that completely with Windows 8.1 and folks needing third party software to make things more manageable for 8.1 and with Windows 10 and all that spyware as as feature and forced cloud integration and forced updates that more often than not break things and cost users time and money. So there is third party privacy software for Windows 10 and that should be giving the folks in Redmond some idea of why there is so many still avoiding their latest OS offerings if possible.

      Stability has gone out the door with Windows 10 and many are still waiting for some consumer variant of Windows 10 that will bring stability rather than feature creep madness.
      Not many more folks are going to be wanting any forced cloud sign in when they log onto their PCs/Laptops and the lack of privacy from having their productive desktop application ecosystem turned into a Smartphone like metrics gathering non productive ecosystem.

      It’s that eternal game of settings Whack-A-Mole that’s keeping even more away from Windows 10 and some away from needed security only updates on windows 7 and probably 8.1 as well.
      Some have no plans for moving beyond Windows 7 even after it’s EOL in 2020 on the consumer side while the lucky Enterprise/Volume Licensing customers will get the option of purchasing extended Windows 7 security updates until 2023 and having less overall headaches from Windows 10 over that 3 year period. And $350 over 3 years for extended windows 7 support until 2023 is a bargain compared to that Windows 10 breakage and time consuming fixing required.

      Microsoft has very little remaining time to get its latest OS working properly for the majority of folks and their PCs/Laptops working for the end users and not for the folks in Redmond. It’s not helping hardware sales to have Windows 7 and 8.1 unsupported on the latest few years of new processor offerings while the Linux Kernel based OS distros have no artificial impediments placed in the way for supporting the latest PC/Laptop and mobile processors/processor features.

      I have completely skipped this months(July 2019) “security only” Windows 7 patches as they are not Security Only and hopefully Aug 2019 will be different as I’ll skip that as well if any Security Only patches get any nefarious extras that are not security related. I’ve got one laptop with a Windows 8 Pro license that’s been running Windows 7 Pro via downgrade rights and that laptop is getting a new SSD to replace the spinning rust and Windows 8 pro installed from the Recovery DVDs and an in place upgrade to Windows 8.1 and any security only updates that are telemetry free. And Maybe by 2023 Microsoft will get a clue.

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    • #1896769 Reply

      gkarasik
      AskWoody Lounger

      “And Maybe by 2023 Microsoft will get a clue.”

      Agree, except for this last line, for which there is no evidence.

      GaryK

    • #1896780 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody_MVP

      The loss of Control Over Windows Update still the biggest dislike

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    • #1896783 Reply

      steeviebops
      AskWoody Lounger

      Microsoft are still not going to push many beyond Windows 7, or even Windows 8.1 with a third party product to turn all that TIFKAM madness off. It’s a control issue that MS has and plenty of PC/Laptop users that do not like that control over their systems in Microsoft’s hands.

      It’s 4 years on and it’s only been by attrition that Windows 10 has barely gained the larger part of the Windows OS versions market share. And Windows 7 is still installed on a very significant number of systems even going on 7+ years after Windows 8/8.1 and Windows 10 were introduced.

      MS broke the UI with Windows 8 and never really fixed that completely with Windows 8.1 and folks needing third party software to make things more manageable for 8.1 and with Windows 10 and all that spyware as as feature and forced cloud integration and forced updates that more often than not break things and cost users time and money. So there is third party privacy software for Windows 10 and that should be giving the folks in Redmond some idea of why there is so many still avoiding their latest OS offerings if possible.

      Stability has gone out the door with Windows 10 and many are still waiting for some consumer variant of Windows 10 that will bring stability rather than feature creep madness.
      Not many more folks are going to be wanting any forced cloud sign in when they log onto their PCs/Laptops and the lack of privacy from having their productive desktop application ecosystem turned into a Smartphone like metrics gathering non productive ecosystem.

      It’s that eternal game of settings Whack-A-Mole that’s keeping even more away from Windows 10 and some away from needed security only updates on windows 7 and probably 8.1 as well.
      Some have no plans for moving beyond Windows 7 even after it’s EOL in 2020 on the consumer side while the lucky Enterprise/Volume Licensing customers will get the option of purchasing extended Windows 7 security updates until 2023 and having less overall headaches from Windows 10 over that 3 year period. And $350 over 3 years for extended windows 7 support until 2023 is a bargain compared to that Windows 10 breakage and time consuming fixing required.

      Microsoft has very little remaining time to get its latest OS working properly for the majority of folks and their PCs/Laptops working for the end users and not for the folks in Redmond. It’s not helping hardware sales to have Windows 7 and 8.1 unsupported on the latest few years of new processor offerings while the Linux Kernel based OS distros have no artificial impediments placed in the way for supporting the latest PC/Laptop and mobile processors/processor features.

      I have completely skipped this months(July 2019) “security only” Windows 7 patches as they are not Security Only and hopefully Aug 2019 will be different as I’ll skip that as well if any Security Only patches get any nefarious extras that are not security related. I’ve got one laptop with a Windows 8 Pro license that’s been running Windows 7 Pro via downgrade rights and that laptop is getting a new SSD to replace the spinning rust and Windows 8 pro installed from the Recovery DVDs and an in place upgrade to Windows 8.1 and any security only updates that are telemetry free. And Maybe by 2023 Microsoft will get a clue.

      Save yourself some hassle by clean installing Windows 8.1 rather than going the 8-8.1 upgrade route. The 8 key won’t be accepted during the initial install – you could use a KMS 8.1 key to work around that – but you can then use your real 8 key after it is installed.

    • #1896910 Reply

      sproket90
      AskWoody Lounger

      only 2 useful features,  copy and paste in Dos prompt

      SSH in Dos prompt,  but already use putty, so this is a maybe

      rest of it could have just stuck with win7,

      much dislike that fact that we are the product not the customer

      • #1897564 Reply

        Noel Carboni
        AskWoody_MVP

        copy and paste in Dos prompt

        ??

        We’ve been able to do that since the very first Windows. Just not with Control-C/V. And not as true strings of text but broken by the line wrapping.

        But I get your point. Improvement. However, in my recent experience all the subtle changes to the CMD prompt, including those subtle improvements in copying/pasting, and other things such as interpreting VT100 escape codes to color output, are offset by small, subtle, and unfortunately negative usability issues. I find myself a few times a day expecting to be able to interact with a CMD window only to find a selection has eaten my return keystroke or it’s not really got the keyboard focus because the cursor keeps blinking… Sigh.

        -Noel

        • #1900299 Reply

          sproket90
          AskWoody Lounger

          We’ve been able to do that since the very first Windows. Just not with Control-C/V.

          the CTrl-C/V was what I was referring to.   🙂    much more convenient now

    • #1897284 Reply

      UncleRemus83
      AskWoody Lounger

      And unlike a fine wine, it doesn’t get any better with age.

    • #1897508 Reply

      Noel Carboni
      AskWoody_MVP

      No.

      It’s never more than 6 months old.

      -Noel

      • #1898767 Reply

        anonymous

        Replying to Noel Carboni:

        Great point.  And my question is when will it be finished?

        • #1898810 Reply

          anonymous

          W10 probably can never be finished because that would be inconsistent with the concept of Windows as a service. Software companies have pitched the Cloud and SaaS revenue models so hard to Wall Street analysts that I suspect any retreat from the mantra would hurt the stock price.

          • #1900440 Reply

            EP
            AskWoody_MVP

            Win10 will ALWAYS be WIP (work in progress)

            but the Win10 version now (current version is 1903) is much better than the RTM or 1507 version back in end of July 2015

    • #1900607 Reply

      MrJimPhelps
      AskWoody_MVP

      I have no idea how long this particular feature has been around, but I really like the on-screen keyboard, and here’s why:

      Sometimes I remote into a machine, and from there I remote into yet another machine. If I want to either change my password on one of the remote machines or log off of one of the remote machines, the on-screen keyboard lets me make sure that I am hitting CTRL-ALT-DEL on the correct machine.

      Here’s how it works:
      * I load the on-screen keyboard on the desired remote machine.
      * I hold CTRL and ALT on my physical keyboard, and click DEL on the on-screen keyboard.

      Because I launched the on-screen keyboard on the desired remote machine, I can be sure that my CTRL-ALT-DEL will apply to that remote machine.

      CTRL-ALT-END is supposed to work, but that’s only if you have only one remote machine running – if this is the case, CTRL-ALT-END will bring up the change-password menu on the remote machine. But once you have remoted into the 2nd machine, all bets are off.

      On every remote computer that I access, I have put a shortcut to the on-screen keyboard on the task bar. Therefore, it’s just one easy click and I’ve got me an on-screen keyboard on the desired remote computer.

      Works like a champ; you should try it sometime!

      Group "L" (Linux Mint)
      with Windows 8.1 running in a VM
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    • #1900802 Reply

      OscarCP
      AskWoody Plus

      The biggest change I have seen brought by Windows 10: people who have been using Windows for many years, shaking their heads and shuffling off to other ports of call.

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