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     Norio 3 months, 3 weeks ago.

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    • #345174 Reply

      Susan Bradley
      AskWoody MVP

      After trying to deal with all the dkim/dmarc listserve issues, we’re moving the patchmanagement.org listserve to a new location:  Google Groups.  The
      [See the full post at: Patchmanagement.org listserve moving to a new location]

      Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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    • #345187 Reply

      anonymous

      You’re going through all this because you’re not sure how DKIM/DMARC records work?

    • #345193 Reply

      anonymous

      Well that’s too bad.  It was useful and informative while it lasted.  But I, as well as many others that I know, with concerns about security and patch management of Windows systems lead a Google free life (or as close to one as we can get).

      Security and privacy are two sides of the same coin.

      -J

      • #345204 Reply

        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        You can sign up without a google profile.  I have and did.   And yes I know how Dmarc and Dkim work.  The problem is that with the current listserve software it adds dkim headers to the sent emails.  Every other email client on the planet handles emails differently and won’t handle two or more dkim headers.   So when an email is sent from you there’s one dkim header, then when it goes through the listserve software there’s another.   Google groups is the only one that pulls off the existing headers and rewrites them so that the headers are clean and do not have multiple headers so that they will get through.  Trust me, I have a single listserve set up so that it will go through all dkim requirements and you cannot tell who the email is being sent by.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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        • #345369 Reply

          jabeattyauditor
          AskWoody Lounger

          Google groups is the only one that pulls off the existing headers and rewrites them so that the headers are clean and do not have multiple headers so that they will get through. Trust me, I have a single listserve set up so that it will go through all dkim requirements and you cannot tell who the email is being sent by.

          Mailman also handles this quite well; I use it on the lists I run. You can configure it (easily) to rewrite the headers to avoid this particular issue, and you can do it easily through the management interface.

          • #345430 Reply

            Susan Bradley
            AskWoody MVP

            It has to totally rewrite/strip off the headers and only put in the mail server header.  Can you show me exactly where mailman does this?  Most can add dkim headers, no one else that I’m aware of strips off the header file of what dkim is there and replaces it with the one from the mailing server.  All of the vendors I contacted said “oh you don’t want to do that”.

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady

            • #345440 Reply

              jabeattyauditor
              AskWoody Lounger

              On the General Options page, setting the “from_is_list” parameter to “Mung From” resolves this issue (for my lists).

              The “first_strip_reply_to” parameter gets rid of the header entirely; I’ve not had to use that option.

              My apologies if I’ve misunderstood the original issue or if these settings won’t do the trick for you.

            • #345457 Reply

              Susan Bradley
              AskWoody MVP

              That changes the reply to header.  That I can do.  This is specifically changing the DKIM headers (a sub header) in the mailing.  All listserves can change it so that the email is from the list.  What many don’t do is totally strip and rewrite the dkim headers.  Most let the dkim header be added.  Then the other mail server reacts to multiple dkim headers and totally freaks out and blocks them as spam.

              Susan Bradley Patch Lady

            • #345459 Reply

              jabeattyauditor
              AskWoody Lounger

              For whatever reason, I’m not getting bounces due to multiple DKIM headers. I’ll review a few messages when I get home to see if these settings result in a single DKIM header or if my subscriber base just has more DKIM-aware (or DKIM-blind) mailservers.

    • #345213 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      An admittedly biased report… as Susan says, this is the firehouse, especially for anyone who’s in charge of an organization’s machines.

    • #345378 Reply

      taftbaby
      AskWoody Plus

      I successfully signed up at “https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/patchmanagement. I can see Susan’s post ” if you are reading this you got to the right spot.” I do not have a patchmanagement.org account. Do I need to sign up for one to read future posts? How does this work? thank you for your time! ASKWOODY is the greatest!!!

      • #345431 Reply

        Susan Bradley
        AskWoody MVP

        The postings will come into your inbox.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady

    • #345603 Reply

      davews
      AskWoody Plus

      Note that you can subscribe by sending an email to patchmanagement+subscribe@googlegroups.com

      No need to have a Google account.

      As for munging, one of our groups recently tried the option available in Mailman to wrap the message in an outer wrapper. It caused many problems with some only able to see postings as attachments and others like myself seeing loads of headers in the messages. We have not tried the first option yet, to munge the ‘from’ address but that probably works a bit better. The ‘wrap’ option most definitely does not.

       

    • #345606 Reply

      anonymous

      This link below appears to be correct, it will pop-up with a box to enter the e-mail address you want to use to subscribe:

       

      https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/patchmanagement/join

       

    • #345658 Reply

      Norio
      AskWoody Plus

      Hello,
      I have a gmail account, but my Woody Plus account is based on a different email.
      Does it matter that I use a different email?
      Also, you indicated that using a google account gives one access to the “web interface.” What additional resources does that give us? For example, will I be able to search through past postings with the web interface? Seems to me that would be important if I was a new member of patchmanagement.org.
      Thanks!
      Norio

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