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      • #2306989 Reply
        Tracey Capen
        AskWoody MVP

        UPGRADING WINDOWS By Susan Bradley Windows 20H2 is in the pipeline — so it’s about time to install … its predecessor, Win10 2004. On Octob
        [See the full post at: Pulling the trigger on Win10 Version 2004]

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      • #2306992 Reply
        lylejk
        AskWoody Plus

        I actually did so a few months ago; it’s been quite good as opposed to other major updates (so far anyway).  I only did so when I got to the go ahead to do so from Microsoft (and it was like early August when I finally did as memory servers me correctly).   Still, no regrets.   Going to use this strategy for now on (wait until M$ tells me it’s OK for my system that is).   lol

         

        🙂

      • #2307007 Reply
        MHCLV941
        AskWoody Plus

        I’ve not had any problems with 2004 after upgrading about 25-30 computers, but  I have had some painfully slow upgrades.   I’ve found that putting the 2004 ISO on the target machine and using it to upgrade is far faster (once you pay for the time to copy the file onto the machine) that upgrading via Microsoft Update.

        One machine I upgraded was very short of disk space and the 2004 updater told me as much.  It also told me how to use a flash drive to do so.   As I recall, it involved expanding the ISO onto a thumb drive and, when Windows warns of low disk space, point it to the thumb for more storage.

        From the Dell web site:

        If you cannot free up enough space on the primary drive to upgrade to Windows 10, you can attach a USB key (16GB or greater) or an external USB hard drive to the computer to finish the upgrade. Once you have attached a USB storage device, when the “Windows needs more space” screen appears, select the drive letter for the USB key or USB hard drive to continue with the installation.

        Dont’ erase the thumb drive until you’re sure you’re happy with the upgraded system because the rollback files are on it…

      • #2307013 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        It is advisable to do the ISO upgrade while offline as to block updating to 20H2.
        After the upgrade, and before going online, users should go over Windows Update settings in order to defer 20H2, set privacy settings….

        I don’t see the need/rush to 2004 as 20H2 is practically the same (just as 1909 to 1903).
        Those on 1909 (like me) have until May 2021 to upgrade. By that time 21H1 will be out (rumor has it there won’t be a 21H1 next year as Microsoft may publish Windows 10X).
        I will skip 2004.

        • This reply was modified 1 month ago by Alex5723.
        • #2307037 Reply
          CBA
          AskWoody Plus

          “I don’t see the need/rush to 2004 as 20H2 is ‘practically’ the same…”

          So, what’s the case for not going straight to 20H2 now .. rather than 2004?  As I am on 1809 Pro, I have to do something within the next few weeks!

          As to 2004, is there only one ISO version?  I have 10.0.19041-450 downloaded.

          • #2307075 Reply
            Berserker79
            AskWoody Lounger

            I’m on 1809 too and planning to install 1909 atm. However, I download the 2004 ISO a few days ago with the MCT tool (before 20H2 began rolling out) and it is your same version, i.e. version 10.0.19041-450.

            This appears to be the most recent 2004 ISO version currently available (August 2020), but I think that if you try to download now a 2004 ISO from https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 you’ll get the earlier version 10.0.19041-264 (May 2020), and I see that you can get through the tb-adguard website the ESD files for other versions too, namely 10.0.19041-84 (Feb 2020) and 10.0.19041-388 (Jul 2020).

            • #2307084 Reply
              EP
              AskWoody_MVP

              the 2004 ISOs with either 19041.264 or 19041.450 do not include the defrag bugfix though, which was fixed in the KB4571744 (19041.488), KB4571756 (19041.508) & recent 2004 updates

              the 2004 Sep 2020 or Oct 2020 refreshed ISOs that MSDN/MVS users got include the defrag fixes

              • This reply was modified 4 weeks, 1 day ago by EP.
              • #2307317 Reply
                Berserker79
                AskWoody Lounger

                Thanks for pointing this out EP. Actually, I’m not planning to update to 2004 for the time being and I will rather update to 1909. However – purely for the sake of the argument – I suppose that even if the 19041.450 ISO does not include the defrag bugfix I could still use that ISO to update to 2004 the next time that the MS-DEFCON is raised and then install the October CU for 2004 that includes the defrag fix, is that right?

          • #2307225 Reply
            Susan Bradley
            Da Boss

            Sheer paranoia.  It’s a little too early for me to be installing 20H2.

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady

            • #2307985 Reply
              CyGuy
              AskWoody Plus

              Susan (regarding updating via ISO): “… will install on top of your existing system — without impacting your existing files”.  Please forgive my ignorance.  Does the term “files” include Program Files or do you mean only data files?  Thank You.

              • #2307988 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                When you install from the ISO you have  the option to do an in-place upgrade. Doing so will give you these three options:
                1. Save your apps and your data. This will reinstall Windows but will preserve the compatible installed programs and your data.
                2. Save your data only. This will reinstall Windows only, not preserving your installed programs, but keep your data.
                3. Save nothing. This will do a clean install of Windows only, not preserving installed programs or data.

                You do this by either mounting the ISO from within your current system, or creating install media from the ISO and accessing the external drive, and then executing setup.exe.

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              • #2307989 Reply
                CyGuy
                AskWoody Plus

                Thank you very much.  When “mounting the ISO from within your current system” do I just double-click the ISO (which is on my data drive)?  Am I then presented with the 3 options you outlined?  Thanks again.

              • #2307991 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                You can place the .ISO file on your desktop, right click on it and choose “open with” File Explorer. It will appear as another drive letter in Explorer. Navigate to the drive and run setup.exe You will be presented with a choice of what to keep.
                You should do the in-place upgrade OFFLINE, disconnected from your network. If you do it online, it will upgrade you to the latest version 20H2 in the process of the upgrade. Answer NO to go online and get updates when asked.
                After the upgrade completes, you should go through the Settings App BEFORE you connect to the network and be sure your settings are to your liking – particularly the settings for Windows Update, so you don’t get bombed with 20H2 when you connect to the Internet.
                You can do any updates needed in the normal way you do updates after connecting.

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              • #2307995 Reply
                CyGuy
                AskWoody Plus

                Ah!  The missing pieces.  Thanks once again.

              • #2308000 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                Dismount the ISO when you are through, it the reboot doesn’t do so.

        • #2307789 Reply
          Linda2019
          AskWoody Plus

          Alex5723, I didn’t realize that you should disconnect from the internet when upgrading using an ISO file at this time… because 20H2 has just been released.  I incorrectly assumed using the 2004 ISO .. it would simply update to that version.  Thanks.

          I don’t plan on updating to 2004, but when I updated to 1909 from 1903 I used the Windows Update system.  But…  2004 had not been released yet… so I got the version I wanted.

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          • #2308032 Reply
            CyGuy
            AskWoody Plus

            Concerning your last paragraph… Me Too!

      • #2307033 Reply
        Noel Carboni
        AskWoody_MVP

        Just generally speaking I’d judge v2004 as slightly less stable than its predecessors at this time in its 6 month cycle. That’s based on my recent needs to reboot or recover from a crash, where this has been atypical for prior versions.

        Disclaimer: I don’t do the exact same things over and over; I use my computer systems creatively. There has never been a year like 2020 so far. Read into that what you will, but I like to keep my Windows systems lean and rock solid reliable so they’re ready to meet new challenges. Windows 10 v2004 so far just isn’t inspiring the confidence I’ve felt before, which has – being brutally honest – been waning since Windows 8.1.

        -Noel

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      • #2307038 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        So, what’s the case for not going straight to 20H2 now

        20H2 is still ‘beta’ and too new to judge stability, bugs,….

        ISO comes in 2 versions : 32bit, 64bit. You can download 2004 only from Heidoc.net. It is the same file for Home & Pro.
        Downloading from Microsoft using MCT you get 2 options : ISO for your current version (32/64 home/pro) of Windows 10 or ISO for any PC which will download an ISO applicable to any version.

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        • #2307039 Reply
          CBA
          AskWoody Plus

          Thanks, but I’m aware of all that.  The point is that many regard 2004 as (buggy and) not very stable and that 20H2 is a bug fix (with minor new features) of 2004.  So, it’s tempting to contemplate skipping 2004 and go straight to 20H2.  Thinking out loud…

          As to the ISO, my question was: is there one version “19041-450” only (I have that one) or is there a newer one.

          • #2307787 Reply
            Linda2019
            AskWoody Plus

            I have the same version – downloaded it in September

      • #2307040 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        As to the ISO, my question was: is there one version “19041-450” only (I have that one) or is there a newer one.

        “19041-450” contain Aug. patch Tuesday. I don’t know if Heidoc.net has a newer version.

        • #2307087 Reply
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          there isn’t one, at least not for normal or casual users.

          only MSDN & MVS subscribers are getting the “newer” or refreshed 2004 ISOs like the following:

          en_windows_10_consumer_editions_version_2004_updated_sep_2020_x64_dvd_4c07c420.iso
          (Win10 v2004 consumer multi-edition ISO build 19041.508 – KB4571756 update integrated)
          at least this one includes the defrag bugfixes

          found it listed here:
          https://www.heidoc.net/php/myvsdump_details.php?id=p6831f93773ax64len

          ask a willing MVS user to give you something like it

          • This reply was modified 4 weeks, 1 day ago by EP.
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      • #2307058 Reply
        WSDKS01
        AskWoody Plus

        I just completed upgrading 20H2 in two of the four computers in our home offices. One machine is on Insider Dev Channel and the last one was just moved up to 2004. The upgrade process from a USB took about an hour, including downloading. No bugs seen yet. Seamless, actually.

      • #2307113 Reply
        geekdom
        AskWoody Plus

        I installed from a 2004 ISO disk dated May 2020 while disconnected from internet.

        I then connected to internet and installed the latest 2004 cumulative update. The version and Build for the computer is now 2004.19041.572; on minimal preliminary testing, the system boots and runs without error.

        G{ot backup} BetaTest
        offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WUMgr
        online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.630 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox84.0b4 WindowsDefender TRV=2004 WUMgr
        • This reply was modified 4 weeks, 1 day ago by geekdom.
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        • #2307162 Reply
          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          In 2004, if you have optional updates, the screen after you click on Optional Updates looks like this:

          opt

          G{ot backup} BetaTest
          offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WUMgr
          online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.630 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox84.0b4 WindowsDefender TRV=2004 WUMgr
          Attachments:
      • #2307154 Reply
        dmt_3904
        AskWoody Plus

        I don’t know how to update from ISO and am not really interested in learning ; )  Can’t I update to 2004 from Windows update, with the GP setting from this article?</p>

         https://www.computerworld.com/article/3586968/my-new-favorite-windows-update-setting.html</p>
        I have my deferral set to 365 days and would change that to 30 days or somewhere around there.

        • This reply was modified 4 weeks, 1 day ago by dmt_3904.
        • #2307161 Reply
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          You don’t need the GP settings. Just changing the Feature deferral days to higher than 30 should offer 2004 (if it is compatible with your hardware).

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          • #2307173 Reply
            dmt_3904
            AskWoody Plus

            I thought there was a danger of getting 20H2 if I didn’t set the release in GP to 2004.  So by setting the deferral to say, 35 days, I’ll get 2004?

            • #2307175 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              20H2 was released Oct 20 – so start counting from there.
              Any number larger than the number of days from Oct 20 to the current day will get you 2004.
              So setting the deferral to anything between 35 and 100 days will get you v2004.

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            • #2307174 Reply
              Alex5723
              AskWoody Plus

              You should.

              After the update you will need to set GP to 2004 as Microsoft removed the deferrals in Pro version.

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              • #2307836 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                After the update you will need to set GP to 2004 as Microsoft removed the deferrals in Pro version.

                This information is incorrect.

                MS did NOT remove the deferrals in Pro 2004. They only removed the GUI pulldown settings in Windows Update\Advanced settings.

                Deferrals are STILL available in Group Policy under Windows Update for Business.

      • #2307221 Reply
        R
        AskWoody Lounger

        About a month ago we upgraded to 1909, on systems with an Enterprise-license that means monthly updates for the next 1.5 years guaranteed. Personally I don’t see a single reason to do a risky full upgrade to 2004 or higher. Not in times of exploding COVID-infections and a possible full lockdown at around the corner. As long as at least security updates keep coming in for any version of Windows you like, I advice to follow the same strategy. They main goal of an OS is to serve as a platform to run your software. Every Windows program will run without troubles on 1909 for  long time to come. Save yourself the hassle, nothing impressive in the ‘latest and greatest’ Windows 24 (I mean 10 of course, slip of the pen) to be found that’s urgently needed.

        • #2307224 Reply
          geekdom
          AskWoody Plus

          It could also be pointed out that we are at MS-DEFCON 2.

          G{ot backup} BetaTest
          offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WUMgr
          online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.630 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox84.0b4 WindowsDefender TRV=2004 WUMgr
          • #2307329 Reply
            dmt_3904
            AskWoody Plus

            I don’t want to appear ignorant, but I have to check my understanding, bc I don’t always understand! So, your point is I should wait until DEFCON 3 or higher bc if I install 2004 now, I will get Oct updates, correct?

            • #2307853 Reply
              geekdom
              AskWoody Plus

              If you are not a business nor willing beta tester, wait to patch at MS-DEFCON 3 which is the setting for safer patching.

              G{ot backup} BetaTest
              offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WUMgr
              online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.630 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox84.0b4 WindowsDefender TRV=2004 WUMgr
            • #2307855 Reply
              geekdom
              AskWoody Plus

              If you want to update from 1909 to 2004, it must be done with an .ISO disk and disconnected from internet. If you attempt to update from 1909 to 2004 via Internet, you will get 20H2.

              G{ot backup} BetaTest
              offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WUMgr
              online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.630 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox84.0b4 WindowsDefender TRV=2004 WUMgr
              • #2307875 Reply
                dmt_3904
                AskWoody Plus

                I am on 1909.  I set my deferral days to 50 yesterday.  Got this today – Feature update to Windows 10, version 2004.  I’m going to pull the trigger : d : )

              • #2307884 Reply
                geekdom
                AskWoody Plus

                Let us know how the update goes.

                G{ot backup} BetaTest
                offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WUMgr
                online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.630 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox84.0b4 WindowsDefender TRV=2004 WUMgr
              • #2308420 Reply
                dmt_3904
                AskWoody Plus

                Just updated.  I downloaded the update yesterday – it took a looooong time – about 3 hours.  Download & install cycled through twice!  I was worried, but was prepared to take action if necessary.  It finally completed and I was able to schedule the install for today.  That went well.

                I went into GP edit and set my version to 2004 and 30 day deferral on quality updates (which is what I’ve always had.  I also went to configure auto updates to ‘2’ but that was already set!

                So far, so good.  But it’s only been about 30 minutes : )

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              • #2307878 Reply
                Paul T
                AskWoody MVP

                I think if you set deferral or TRV you can get 2004 via Windows Update.

                If you do it via the ISO you must disconnect.

                cheers, Paul

            • #2307857 Reply
              geekdom
              AskWoody Plus

              If you have updated to 2004 and have not blocked 20H2, if you check for updates you will get 20H2.

              If you have updated to 2004 and have blocked 20H2, you will get October 2004 updates.

              G{ot backup} BetaTest
              offline▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.572 x64 i3-3220 RAM8GB HDD Firefox83.0b3 WindowsDefender TRV=1909 WUMgr
              online▸ Win10Pro 2004.19041.630 x64 i5-9400 RAM16GB HDD Firefox84.0b4 WindowsDefender TRV=2004 WUMgr
      • #2307223 Reply
        Mike
        AskWoody Plus

        Personal user here. On a Lenovo i5 laptop with SSD. I updated to windows 2004 using an ISO and I would say it is about 15 to 25% slower than 1909.  Apps close to 25% in loading.

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      • #2307230 Reply
        howardagoldberg
        AskWoody Plus

        Windows 10 2004/20H2 Not Being Offered Due to Conexant HD Audio Issue

        ^^^ Anyone have any thoughts on this? I would *like* to update to 2004 (or even 20H2), but my Windows is still not ready for my system. Argh. 🙂

        • #2307344 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          Use task manager and resource monitor to see what is being done on the system
          My ‘discoveries’

          Defender AV is slower – and seems to be a major reason for slow loading of files.

          The looking for what MAY not be appropriate  means that you may also get told ‘stuff’ that was installed and running for years  to date  is now reported – and removed? –  so the defender may well be checking through the system more frequently than (IMO) needed.

          I also find lots of references to the $MFT ‘file’ and the pagefile usage
          OK – the last is probably because I only have 2GB RAM –
          Note best if the pagefile not allowed to expand — as that happens in relatively small amounts so much more I/O getting the space, and then lots more I’O returning each  ‘got’ block to freespace -If you have the s[ace it may be better to set the pagefile so you have at least 10GB as a working area for the OS and EDGE.

          And that is assuming the integration of the ‘installed’ update with the installed apps and other software  has completed – on my development and data management system the 1909 took many hours using most of the CPU – and the incremental backups following the one after the update were about 30GB

          So, for all, I would say, from the time you get told the update is installed, wait at least a day ( 12 hours powered up ) for the update to actually be completed

      • #2307256 Reply
        Mike
        AskWoody Plus

        You’ll have to do the update manually using a ISO file as detailed in the post/link below.  My system was also blocked because of “Dolby Digital Plus Home Theater”.  I believe the reason for this is that the older hardware drivers are not compatible with 2004 version.  At least yet.  After I did the 2004 update the “suspect” driver was disabled.  My feeling on this is that if this is an older machine and the manufacturer or you can’t update the driver, you may lose that feature.

        https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/missed-version-2004/#post-2307222

        • This reply was modified 4 weeks, 1 day ago by Mike. Reason: Added information
        • #2307324 Reply
          howardagoldberg
          AskWoody Plus

          … hmmm, losing the ‘feature’ of sound is not an option ;-). According to MS’s known issues page, the are working with Symantec on a fix with a ‘feature release,’ but the language has been in place since May/June. Wondering if anyone here has insight as to what the issue is and what the risks are of forcing the upgrade …

      • #2307289 Reply
        brian1248
        AskWoody Lounger

        Windows 10 Home 1909 here.  I downloaded the ISO for 2004 the other week.  I use a combination of a metered connection and wushowhide to hold things off.

        I’ve had the “Feature Update to Windows 10, version 2004…….Download and Install” option for over a month, maybe two.  I just haven’t taken it.

        I have the ISO on my desktop, as well as on backup media.

        I have not updated using the ISO before.

        My understanding is the following.

        1. Right-click the ISO file, select Open with, and click Windows Explorer.
        2. The ISO file will open, appearing to be a mounted drive.
        3. On the left pane of File Explorer, click on the mounted drive.
        4. Double-click the Setup file to begin the Windows 10 installation.
        5. Follow the prompts.
        • This reply was modified 4 weeks, 1 day ago by brian1248.
        • #2307318 Reply
          Berserker79
          AskWoody Lounger

          As Mike mentioned below, your steps for updating from the ISO are missing the “Disconnect from the internet” step before you run setup.exe.

          I understand that if you stay connected when updating using the ISO you risk having your system updated to 20H2 rather than to 2004 because the updater will check for a newer version (and I assume that if you plan to use a 2004 ISO that’s because you want to update to 2004 and not to 20H2).

      • #2307298 Reply
        Mike
        AskWoody Plus

        Brian, You are missing one step.  Refer to the above link.  “Disconnect from the Net”

        • This reply was modified 4 weeks, 1 day ago by Mike.
      • #2307353 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I’ve just purchased a new laptop (to replace ageing HP mini Netbook).

        Out of the box Win10 Home S mode 1909 64bit. – (got rid of S mode).

        Did a search for updates, but nothing significant came through.

        Couple of days ago had a nice message (Big yellow I) from MS that Update of Windows was on its way, replaced a day or two later by ‘normal’ update message.

        Decided to accept the offer.

        Laptop now running not the expected 2004, but 20H2 ! No problems fingers X’d

         

      • #2307382 Reply
        bagnara
        AskWoody Plus

        My Windows 1909 Enterprise cant be updated. The second time already trying and it does not go. What can I do to get the update ?? =((((

        • #2307393 Reply
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          I would not be updating 1909 yet.

          That said, what did you want to update to, 2004 or 20H2?
          How old is the machine?
          What Windows version did it have when you got it?
          What is the machine?

          cheers, Paul

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          • #2307462 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            I’ve got a laptop that was introduced at CES 2019(AMD APU based, Ryzen 3550H/Vega 8 integrated graphics and Radeon RX 560X discrete mobile GPU). And that laptop was OEM Certified for and Shipped with Windows 10 1803 Home and that laptop was automatically updated to 1809 soon after first boot-up(The laptop was purchased new on clearance sale in Feb 2020). There have been issues with some of that laptops system software that’s using a front end that’s UWP based that provides the UI for the back end laptop systems service that runs to manage the laptop’s Keyboard back-lighting control.

            So that whole UWP mess and Windows store download requirement and not the proper way to get the software downloaded and not automatically installed, as the actual background service has to be extracted and installed first before the front end UWP based UI gets installed to provide the management interface to the Keyboard Back-Lighting. That’s not been installed properly because it’s not possible to download and not have that install automatically from the MS App Store apparatus.

            I’ve never bothered with getting that working properly with Windows 10 1809, or 1909 that was forced on me a few months back, and really I wish that laptop OEMs would spin their own non UWP based System Software to manage their laptop’s specific hardware and not tie that in with UWP and the MS Store. I rather have most of that laptop system hardware control in firmware and the application that controls that created, managed, and maintained by the laptop’s OEM and outside of any MS App Store requirements.

            At most the laptop’s Keyboard is Backlit but I can not dim that or turn that off currently but that’s OK as I treat that as an acceptable compromise as the laptop works for the most part normally. But I think that UWP is not a solution for any OEMs system software management functionality as that should be maintained directly from the OEMs website where it should be.

            I’m really uncomfortable with 10’s too rapid update cadence  and the fact that my laptop’s certified OS(10 1803 home) has gone out of date so quickly and that laptop’s OEM not likely to do very much in the way of vetting that now nearly 2 year old model year laptop’s hardware on 10/2004 and later OS/Ecosystem. There were much less issues with Windows 7’s and 8/8.1 longer term OS stability with respect to my previous laptops’ hardware and OEM laptop specific system management software/services.

            Laptop OEMs tend to only invest in certifying their laptop hardware/OS/System Software  only once and then only maintain that for 1 or 2 years at most with minor fixes. So I’d rather wait for 10 20H2 to see if that’s going to fix the 10/2004 stability issues and problems that are not currently resolved.

        • #2307494 Reply
          Susan Bradley
          Da Boss

          When you attempt the upgrade what happens?

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady

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          • #2307512 Reply
            bagnara
            AskWoody Plus

            The update process goes well until I do boot of the machine, it then logs on and stays at 1909. I want update to 20H1, as recommended by AskWoody.

            What is happening the machine cant update?

            My machine is an AMD, follows the hwinfo64 report and summary:

            View post on imgur.com

            View post on imgur.com

            What is the cause of this strange behavior of W10?

            Thanks !!!

          • #2307520 Reply
            bagnara
            AskWoody Plus

            disk free of C: and E:

          • #2307552 Reply
            bagnara
            AskWoody Plus

            yesssss, problem solved!!!! =DDDD

            first time it did not got it solved, second time same thing, but on the third time the Windows 10 updated to version 2004, that is, first half of 2020.

            Very thanks for all the folks !!!! =DDDDD

            Happy Christmas to All !!

            I am so happy !!!! =DDD

            Good bye !!

            MS doing their best!! =DD

            • #2308213 Reply
              EP
              AskWoody_MVP

              it seems you are celebrating Christmas 2 months early, bagnara
              it’s still October and not even December yet

      • #2307478 Reply
        grumpy65867
        AskWoody Plus

        Pulled the trigger yesterday.  Used windows update, not iso file.  Was slow but using iso stopped at 70%.  No problems so far.

      • #2307485 Reply
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        pulled the trigger yesterday on a 2008 test laptop result…. gunsmoke
        Neither 2004 or 20H2 are getting anywhere near our Ivybridge or Haswell, sticking with the reliables Win7/ 8.1

        No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created IT - AE
        • #2308214 Reply
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          what did you mean by “gunsmoke”, Microfix? is that a success or fail?

      • #2307511 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Windows 2004 ISO. I neglected to Download the ISO and now I understand the only way I can load Windows 2004 is with an ISO but I don’t know where to get the ISO. Pulling the trigger on Win10 Version 2004, Susan Bradley’s Article has a web link but that takes me to Wikipedia ISO 9660… I’m Lost and any help would appreciated. I’m running Windows 10 version 1909 with no October updates yet. Sorry Woody for any lapses in etiquette or coherence of thought…

      • #2307645 Reply
        WSdavid-heath
        AskWoody Lounger

        On my own laptop, and others I’ve heard of, PCs that installed this year’s earlier BIG Windows update (aka 2004) are finding that every day or two, after coming out of hibernation, all WiFi connections vanish.  A reboot is the only solution.

        • #2308212 Reply
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          what kind of laptop are you using?

      • #2307654 Reply
        audeq45
        AskWoody Lounger

        When I allowed Win 10 v. 2004 to install I found I had to update the drivers for my Epson 3490 Photo scanner, and my older Canon ImageClass MF4150 multifunction printer. This despite the fact that I updated them back when I installed v. 1909. It was worse this time, the scanner would not work at all , even though it was recognized in the Epson PhotoImpressions app. After I installed the latest Epson update, the scanner worked again, but took twice as much time per page as the previous update.

        The MF4150 would print one page, then the Error LED would flash telling me to change to A4 paper size using the Paper Size and Type functions (Ltr is the default). Doing that didn’t help. I had to reinstall the exact same Epson update I applied after the Win 10 1909 update, and then it worked normally again.

        Another annoyance is that the NumLock is not turned on when I boot 2004. I have to do it manually so I can log in my Windows 10 password.

        • #2307714 Reply
          MHCLV941
          AskWoody Plus

          And you haven’t heard about all the ones, like mine, that have had no problem at all because there was nothing to head.  Without specific details, like specific model(s) or specific wireless adapters, it’s folklore.

          • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 6 days ago by MHCLV941.
      • #2307797 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        NumLock is not turned on when I boot 2004

        I would not expect NumLock to be turned on from a cold boot. It doesn’t on my 1909 laptop.

        cheers, Paul

      • #2308091 Reply
        buckwheat
        AskWoody Plus

        I am new to the Lounge. Hope I am doing this right. I have never used ISO files before. I
        downloaded the V2004 ISO file onto a portable USB hard drive. I have viewed the posts above, using the portable hard drive do I still need to disconnect the internet to install?

        Also I do not know if this information is useful. The Windows Update page in settings is offering the Window 10, version 20H2. It says – When you are ready for the update, “Download and install.” Does this mean when I feel like it install or my computer is not ready for it? Would this affect my install of V2004?

        • #2308151 Reply
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          do I still need to disconnect the internet to install?

          Yes.

          If you don’t disconnect, Windows will attempt to update you to the latest release (20H2).

          cheers, Paul

      • #2308133 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Would this affect my install of V2004?

        It won’t affect installing 2004 if you run the install offline.

      • #2308144 Reply
        ymo1965
        AskWoody Lounger

        Will avoid the 2004 update forever if I have to. I’m a VR user and the 2004 update really s****s with the bluetooth funtionality of VR setups. Also it totally messes with XBOX wireless controllers. Really annoyed with M$ for not even bothering to address these issues. To me it’s as broken as it was when it first appeared. /salty

        • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by ymo1965.
        • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by Paul T.
        • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 5 days ago by Paul T.
      • #2308161 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I tried to install 2004 from an ISO USB created in Sept’20 – based on Woody’s advice to save a copy.  However, having booted from the USB and following the ‘Upgrade’ option in the installation routine, I am told: “The upgrade option isn’t available if you start your computer using the Windows Installation Media. If a copy of Windows is already installed on this computer etc.”  It looks like using the “Custom” option wipes the SSD. I have full Macrium backup/image of my Win10Pro 1909 system, but would prefer not to go that route.  Have I missed something?  Thanks

        • #2308166 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          It looks like using the “Custom” option wipes the SSD. I have full Macrium backup/image of my Win10Pro 1909 system, but would prefer not to go that route. Have I missed something?

          Yes. If you boot from the installation media it will do a clean install, wiping you previous installation.
          To do an in-place upgrade, you need to access the installation media from within your current operating system. Boot up your computer and then insert the install media.

          You should do the upgrade OFFLINE. If you are online, you will be upgraded to 20H2 in the process of the installation. Say NO when it asks to go online for updates.
          Disconnect from the Internet and your network. Navigate to that drive letter where you media is located and run setup.exe.
          You will be given three choices of what to save: your apps and data (will preserve your programs and data), only your data (you will have to reinstall and third-party programs), or save nothing (basically a clean install).

          Your version of 2004 will not be up-to-date.
          Before you go online, go through the Settings App and be sure your settings are where you want them. Pay particular attention to Windows Update settings so you don’t get bombed with 20H2.
          Once online, you can update like you usually do. Since we are at DEFCON-3 you can update to the OCT patches.

          • #2308325 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            Many thanks PKCano – I will proceed as you suggest…. and make sure that I only get the Oct patches, not 20H2.   Much appreciated.

             

      • #2308190 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        I’m probably gonna stay on 1909 until it reaches EOL, at which point I’ll choose between 2004 and 20h2.

        1 user thanked author for this post.
        • #2308207 Reply
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          only the Home & Pro editions of 1909 will get EOLed in May 2021 but the Enterprise & Education editions of 1909 will be supported until May 2022

      • #2308274 Reply
        BillL1587
        AskWoody Lounger

        I just wanted to let you know that newsletter article was a great help for me after I was having trouble with updates to windows.  I run windows on a virtual Machine on my MAC (via Parallels). I was unable to install the cumulative updates until I downloaded the recommended installer software. What I also found out was not only do you need to turn-off the 3rd Party Virus protection on the Windows environment, but you also need to turn of the virus protection on the MAC as well. So all said and done, all is well and up to date.

      • #2308379 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Just checked with wumgr & wumt and got the following strange pending update.
        wushowhide shows the same update.

        I am on 1909 Pro Oct. updates 18363.1139

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        • #2308449 Reply
          Alex5723
          AskWoody Plus

          Decided to run 2004 with Windows Update instead from ISO.
          The process took 2 hours with 4 restarts (i7-8750H, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD).
          I noticed during to upgrade that the process was writing some data to drive D.
          Got the ‘default app for .html set to Edge’, but Chrome remained the default app in settings.
          Used GP to set quality deferral to 21 days, set ‘target Feature Update version’ to 2010 but it seems the settings were to late. I got now ;
          Version 20H2 pending download
          CU .Net KB4576478
          Adobe Flash KB4561600

          • #2308457 Reply
            Alex5723
            AskWoody Plus

            set ‘target Feature Update version’ to 2010

            What a blackout. Setting should have been 2004 🙁

            • #2308458 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              I wasn’t going to say anything, but it seems you got what you asked for. 🙂
              Something like the old saying “Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.”
              Hope you had an image backup.

            • #2308460 Reply
              Microfix
              AskWoody MVP

              I will skip 2004.

              Congratulations alex 🙂

              No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created IT - AE
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            • #2308470 Reply
              Alex5723
              AskWoody Plus

              I will skip 2004.

              Congratulations alex 🙂

              A family (Windows 10 home) member asked me about 2004 configuration after his PC got updated.
              Had to upgrade mine as well 🙂
              I have a full image backup, he doesn’t.

          • #2308918 Reply
            dmt_3904
            AskWoody Plus

            Did you install the updates? I got the same ones.  I don’t even have Flash (it is not in my list of programs) and I thought it was being sunset!  Should I install KB4576478 and KB4561600?  Second question on Flash – how can I be sure it is NOT installed on my machine?  I searched and did not find it.  I looked in programs & it’s not there. There are many flash files on my C drive in Windows-old – how can I, should I get rid of them?

            I am using FF – not Edge.

            • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 2 days ago by dmt_3904.
            • #2308923 Reply
              PKCano
              Da Boss

              If you have IE11 and Edge installed on your computer (Win8.1 and Win10), you have Flash installed. Microsoft bundled Flash with those two browsers several years ago.

              Flash Player for other browsers (plugins for ActiveX, NPAPI and PPAPI) are received directly from Adobe and show up in Installed Programs. THey are uninstallable there.

              • #2308926 Reply
                dmt_3904
                AskWoody Plus

                ok thanks. I am concerned about the security risk – I don’t think I am using flash.  I read that MS will remove it from their browsers (which I am not using) by 12/31/20 with an update.  I do not see Active X or Flash in my control panel programs.   I also read that FF blocks flash.  So I hope it’s ok.

                Should I install the udpates?
                Security Update for Adobe Flash Player for Windows 10 Version 2004 for x64-based Systems (KB4561600)

                2020-09 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 2004 for x64 (KB4576478)

                • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 2 days ago by dmt_3904.
              • #2308933 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                Yes, you should install the updates that come through WU for security reasons.

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              • #2309228 Reply
                dmt_3904
                AskWoody Plus

                Just got another .NET Framework update – 2020-09 Cumulative Update Preview for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 2004 for x64 (KB4576945)

                Are .NET Framework updates included in DEFCON setting? Where do these updates sit in the universe of MS updates (feature, quality, security, optional, etc.)

                 

      • #2308382 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        I saw that 93GB download a few days ago, but I downloaded the 1909 ISO (3.5GB) and used that to update my 1903 machine instead.

        cheers, Paul

      • #2308968 Reply
        dmt_3904
        AskWoody Plus

        Soo – a few days into 2004 update from 1909 Pro and all is well.  I installed the updates I just got:  Security Update for Adobe Flash Player for Windows 10 Version 2004 for x64-based Systems (KB4561600) & 2020-09 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 2004 for x64 (KB4576478)

        Since we are at DEFCON 3 – I know I need Oct updates. I installed 2004 on 10/31 via internet download – which means I should already have Oct updates is that correct?

        • #2308977 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Type winver in the search box and hit Enter. If the Build is 19041.572, you have Oct updates.

      • #2309432 Reply
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        well woody & Susan I finally “pulled the trigger” so to speak in upgrading my dad’s Toshiba Satellite C55dt-A laptop from Win10 v1909 to v2004 using an updated 2004 ISO from MSDN/MVS with the Oct. 2020 updates already included last Friday 10/30 and the upgrade went through fine with no problems.

        also manually installed KB4580364 on there and winver.exe shows build 19041.610.

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      • #2309865 Reply
        rwolfor
        AskWoody Plus

        Just a couple of notes about updating to 2004.

        I updated 4 Dell Computers at the end of October. All went pretty much okay with the exception of a few minor things such as Desktop theme changes, etc. On one computer running Outlook 365 with a POP, the email account kept prompting for a password every time Outlook was opened after the update. Resolved that by creating a new profile. Not necessary a straight forward task. Now here’s the really strange thing. On one commuter, the update jumped from version 1909 to 20H2. On the other 3 computers, I ran the Check for Updates over a 3 day period and 20H2 never was exposed. Go figure?

        Past item:

        I had written earlier this year about the issues encountered with the Cumulative updates on my primary computer. From March forward all the updates created a temporary profile and needed to be backed out. I did ultimately resolve the issue by creating a new Windows account and transferring all the applications and settings to the new account manually. That was 3 days of intense work and correcting settings and configuring the existing apps over the next 2 months. Wish Microsoft would develop and account migration app/tool to migrate from an existing account to a new account on the same computer.

      • #2309917 Reply
        CraigS26
        AskWoody Plus

        For anyone not getting 2004 offered — via Search for – “My HP desktop won’t offer Win 10 2004” – I found a Thread that states that this file (DevMgr: Sound-Video-Games) — uci64a189.dll — is in a List of Problem Conexant HD Audio drivers blocking 2004. My Driver was NOT either of (2) Ver 85. series drivers that MS Blocks, but I think my Ver # may be HP generated after they mod’d that driver.

        That .dll is in my — Driver/Driver Details tab of mine, and the OP stated HP offered no help (Sept). A Dell owner experienced the same, so we must drift hoping for a solution as I anticipate issues IF I use the ISO and force the Upgrade.

        https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/100175/no-windows-10-version-2004-update.html

        W10-64 1909 Pro / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desktop-Ethernet/ 12 GB / 256G SSD + 1 TB HDD / i5-8400 Coffee Lake/ GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0 + TRV = 2004

      • #2310025 Reply
        rexr
        AskWoody Plus

        Updated from v1909 to  v2004 + v2009 20H2 on a laptop and desktop six days ago on Oct 31. v2004 was defcon 3 and v2o09 20H2 had bug fixes and minor updates. Used the Window 10 Update Assistant from Microsoft, took about two hours with several auto-restarts. (I’m on a slowish 20Mbps aDSL connection.)

        My Realtek Audio got hosed on the desktop with no speaker or headphone output – eventually fixed by uninstalling and reinstalling the same Asus Realtek driver 8971.1 WHQL. Weirdly, the MSI laptop with the same v2004+v2009 20H2 update and Realtek audio driver works fine.

        No lost profiles or certificates, but i’ve a simple set up, not a business.

        The old Brother printer (MFC-J985DW) needed software and a FIRMWARE update from the Brother site.

        Games run fine. But the X-box Gamebar is erratic, MS says there’s a patch coming. I disabled it in Settings.

        Desktop has an Asus Z370 mobo, the MSI laptop has an Intel HM170 mobo. Both with nVidia GTX’s.

        Thanks to all here with their tips and fixes, it helps with these confused renamed sometimes buggy updates.

        Win10 Pro v2009 20H2 19042.610
        Backups via Macrium Home Edition
      • #2310022 Reply
        wmpeter2078
        AskWoody Plus

        My home network comprises two desktops (one with ethernet, one with wifi) and a laptop.  I had previously gotten the network setup so all three computers could share files, etc on any other computer.  However, since I installed Windows v2004 on all devices, none of my computers can see the other computers from file explorer.

        Any thoughts?

      • #2310033 Reply
        rexr
        AskWoody Plus

        My home network comprises two desktops (one with ethernet, one with wifi) and a laptop.  I had previously gotten the network setup so all three computers could share files, etc on any other computer.  However, since I installed Windows v2004 on all devices, none of my computers can see the other computers from file explorer.

        Any thoughts?

        I’m using v2009 20H2 (update to v2004) and just switched to WiFi on the laptop and desktop to test, both are Realtek 8822BE 802.11ac  wireless LAN, and they are working.

        A search found this thread of similar wifi probs, maybe it will help.
        https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-networking/wifi-not-working-after-windows-10-2004-update/80a85104-a575-41d8-8aae-2f90924d16c2

        Edit: I may have missed the point, here’s a thread on broken home networks, not just WiFi:
        https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/56488/why-wont-windows-10-pro-2004-reconnect-my-network.html

        Win10 Pro v2009 20H2 19042.610
        Backups via Macrium Home Edition
        • This reply was modified 2 weeks, 4 days ago by rexr.
      • #2311093 Reply
        WSpbug56
        AskWoody Plus

        I have an old Vaio somewhat getting back to decent performance after a dead HDD, then the screen turning to all different colored bars on internal or external screen, sending it to be repaired by Asurion, comes back fixed – but screen is too dim (it will soon go back for that at no extra charge).  This is an old 15.6 laptop circa 2011, now running Win 10 HOME pretty up to date, more than I intended.  It was 1909, overall, running very well, still very responsive for what I do with it.  Can still play Blu Ray movies nicely, for instance.  Intel I5-460M, internal Intel graphics, ram upgraded from 4GB to 8GB.  The HDD I put in I think is WD Black 1TB.

        One morning the other day, I find it running 2004.  Surprise!  No warning at all.  My only PC still running Home.  I’m guessing that when delay period runs out, it installs 2004 overnight with no notice.  I wouldn’t have minded that so much except that afterwards, any NET VIEW command gets error 1231.  Plus in WE, all you could see of other shares was media, no file sharing.

        I followed every idea out there, including checking drivers, making sure related services all on,  Even tried the old SMB 1.  Got nowhere.  At one point, I was rearranging Windows Explorer to the view where resources (like drives, network objects) are on the left, files on the right.  Pretty much a standard view.  And I suddenly saw at the bottom of the list all PC’s currently on my network, and shore enough, I could see files on them.  And from them I could see files on the Vaio.  Other then perm issues here and there, working normally.  FYI, NET VIEW still says error 1231.

        Anyone have any explanation, and decent knowledge on what to do if the next PC in my house (typically Win 10 Pro) finds itself on 2004?

        • #2311112 Reply
          Paul T
          AskWoody MVP

          Given your current 2004 machine is behaving, I would sit back and relax, knowing that the other machine will continue to function.

          You can backup before the update (now), just in case.

          cheers, Paul

          • #2311116 Reply
            anonymous
            Guest

            Hi Paul,

            I was shocked when it did this update overnight with no warning, but H2 worries me a bit more because of what it takes away, CP.  But the scary part is local networking and file sharing, which I’ve had enough problems with over 1909, and when this VAIO did did its own thing and went to 2004, I put many hours into trying to get it working – and now that I have, I have no clear repeatable path to that fix.  I have multiple PC’s that might run into this, and I’ve not the time or energy to have to keep dealing with such nonsense from MS.  Plus I know I’m not the only victim here, and am wondering if others have a script to deal with it, plus thoughts of how to prevent such surprise updates (at least on HOME).  And I still have the 1231 error – it would be nice to clear that up.

             

            Regards!

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