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    Home Forums AskWoody support Windows Windows 10 Windows 10 version 1909 – November 2019 Update Question on upgrading 1809 to 1909 using ISO

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      • #2296797 Reply
        Berserker79
        AskWoody Lounger

        My machine is still running Win 10 (Home) version 1809 and since this version’s EOL is now approaching, I’m start to get things ready to upgrade to 1909. Several months back, I squirrelled away a copy of the 1909 ISO as suggested by woody and I was in fact planning to use it to create a USB stick for upgrading.

        The 1909 ISO I have downloaded back then is the “V1 version” with build 18363.418 and, while I don’t mind that after using this ISO for the upgrade I’ll have to download some patches, I have some concerns about actually using this V1 version ISO due to the following post by EP where he stated the following:

        the problem in getting the 1909 ISO from MS is that it’s the 1909 V1 version with build 18363.418 which has the “missing” feature update deferral bug (the days to defer feature updates will no longer appear when set to any value other than 0) and the inability to keep existing files & apps when doing an in-place upgrade or repair install of 1909 – these issues were fixed in 18363.446 & higher cumulative updates for 1909.

        Since what I plan to do is – at least to my understanding – an “in-place upgrade” from 1809 to 1909 keeping the existing files and apps, do I understand correctly that EP is basically saying that the V1 ISO will not allow such upgrade?

        Given that now is too late to download a later version of the ISO, if the V1 is not going to be useful for an in-place upgrade, does this mean that the best route would be to simply allow the Feature Update to 1909 to download and install through Windows Update?

      • #2296803 Reply
        CADesertRat
        AskWoody Plus

        Given that now is too late to download a later version of the ISO, if the V1 is not going to be useful for an in-place upgrade, does this mean that the best route would be to simply allow the Feature Update to 1909 to download and install through Windows Update?

        If you do that, you will probably get 2004.

        Heidoc may have a newer version of 1909, see PKCano’s post about how to use Heidoc here:

        It’s time to be thinking about saving a copy of Win10 v2004

        Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
        4 Win 10 Pro at 1909 (3 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

        • #2296944 Reply
          Berserker79
          AskWoody Lounger

          Thanks for the input! I’ve been offered 1909 over the past few months through WU and hid the update with wushowhide, with luck I can simply unhide the latest offered version and let it install if need be (and avoid 2004).

          Still, I’d prefer to do the upgrade with the ISO, if I can download a newer version through Heidoc.

          • #2296945 Reply
            Paul T
            AskWoody MVP

            Upgrading when connected to the internet will get you 2004.

            If you only want 1909, mount the ISO on your PC (double click), disconnect the internet and run setup.exe from the mounted ISO.

            cheers, Paul

            • #2296949 Reply
              Berserker79
              AskWoody Lounger

              Thank you Paul. That’s exactly what I was planning to do, but as per the initial post I am unsure whether using the 1909 V1 ISO (Build 18362.418) will work correctly or whether I need to find a way to download an ISO with a later Build no (which I seem unable to do at this time, the Heidoc download provides me with a file having the same Build no as above).

              • #2297253 Reply
                anonymous
                Guest

                I was able to upgrade a PC from 1703 (!) to 1909 using the 1909 V1 ISO mounted via double-click mounting (not via a USB drive) so yes, it’s possible. The build number of the ISO just determines what version you’ll be upgraded to. If you use a V1 ISO, that’s fine, but then you’ll have to download all the updates for it soon after, so it would take longer to finish.

              • #2297297 Reply
                Berserker79
                AskWoody Lounger

                Dear anonymous, thanks for your reply! That’s good to know that the 1909 v1 ISO can be used to successfully perform an in-place upgrade of an earlier version.

      • #2296807 Reply
        PKCano
        Da Boss

        The latest Heidoc ISO for 1909 is Build 18363.592 – use this one.

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        • #2296948 Reply
          Berserker79
          AskWoody Lounger

          Thanks for the suggestion PKCano, unfortunately when trying to download the 1909 ISO from Heidoc the file is reported to be Build 18362.418 when I check it with the DISM tool.

          I downloaded the “Windows-ISO-Downloader.exe” tool from Heidoc, selected Win10, then 1909 Home/Pro and my language (Italian), then used the following command line to check the Build of the downloaded ISO

          dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:F:\sources\install.wim /index:1

          This is the information provided by DISM (apologies it’s in Italian, but the two relevant lines should be readily understandable):

          Indice: 1
          Nome: Windows 10 Home
          Descrizione: Windows 10 Home
          Dimensioni: 14.474.633.675 byte
          WIM avviabile: No
          Architettura : x64
          HAL : <non definito>
          Versione : 10.0.18362
          Build Service Pack : 418
          Livello Service Pack : 0
          Edizione : Core
          Installazione : Client
          Tipo prodotto : WinNT
          Famiglia di prodotti : Terminal Server
          Radice sistema : WINDOWS
          Directory : 21365
          File : 92719
          Data creazione : 07/10/2019 – 05:09:04
          Data modifica : 07/10/2019 – 05:50:22
          Lingue : it-it (valore predefinito)

          I thought this might be a problem with the Italian version of the ISO, so I downloaded the “English international” version. That file too is reported by DISM as having Build 18362.418 unfortunately (btw, no idea whether upgrading an Italian installation of Win10 with an English 1909 ISO would be a good idea in any case).

          Am I doing something wrong when downloading the ISO from Heidoc?

          • #2296989 Reply
            PKCano
            Da Boss

            If you also notice, it says the version is 10.0.18362 – that is 1903, not 1909. But 1903 and 1909 have the same base. The difference is whether or not the Features package is turned on or not. I saw the same thing when I used it, but the labeling is correct – 1909.
            Please try the one marked latest 1909 from Heidoc. It will give you 18363.592

            • #2297020 Reply
              Berserker79
              AskWoody Lounger

              If you also notice, it says the version is 10.0.18362 – that is 1903, not 1909. But 1903 and 1909 have the same base. The difference is whether or not the Features package is turned on or not. I saw the same thing when I used it, but the labeling is correct – 1909.
              Please try the one marked latest 1909 from Heidoc. It will give you 18363.592

              I downloaded once again what I believe is the latest 1909 ISO from Heidoc, using the “Windows-ISO-Downloader.exe” tool and selecting the Home/Pro version from the drop down menu as in the below picture:

              Heidoc_download1

              Then selected Italian language, picked the x64 version and started the download:

              Heidoc_download

              I ran DISM on the ISO and got the following info:

              Heidoc_download2

              Do I understand correctly from your message above that despite what DISM is saying this ISO is actually Build 18363.592?

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              • #2297032 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                Do I understand correctly from your message above that despite what DISM is saying this ISO is actually Build 18363.592?

                Yes. That is exactly what I said.
                There is an actual case of it somewhere on this site where I had the same discussion with another poster. I don’t have time to search. But if you can find it, it will validate what I said.
                You MUST do the in-place upgrade OFFLINE, otherwise it will update you to whatever the current version is during the installation,

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              • #2297051 Reply
                Berserker79
                AskWoody Lounger

                Thank you very much for confirming PKCano! I will then use this ISO to prepare the USB key and confirm that I will do the in-place upgrade offline (thanks for the reminder!).

                Also apologies that this discussion regarding the Build number of the 1909 ISO available through Heidoc already took place in the other thread: I thought I had thoroughly looked throughout the forum, but it looks like I missed that previous discussion, sorry. Thanks for your patience explaining this again, much appreciated.

              • #2297052 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                You can mount the ISO directly on the machine by right-clicking, open with File Explorer. It will create another drive (letter) – double click on setup.exe in the mounted ISO.
                Don’t forget to unmount the ISO when you are through.

              • #2297036 Reply
                PKCano
                Da Boss

                Here is the reference (I think).
                Read through this thread.
                https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/nows-a-good-time-to-squirrel-away-a-copy-of-win10-version-1909/#post-2262269

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              • #2297035 Reply
                Microfix
                AskWoody MVP

                this article may help you:
                https://www.computerworld.com/article/3436618/what-we-know-so-far-about-the-unusual-windows-10-1909.html

                Win8.1 Pro | Linux Hybrids | Win7 Pro O/L | WinXP O/L
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      • #2297295 Reply
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        regarding 1909 ISOs, lucky MSDN/MVS users as they get newer 1909 ISOs this month with the Sept. 2020 updates integrated (build 18363.1082)

        get any of these instead (or ask a willing MVS subscriber to give one to you):

        en_windows_10_consumer_editions_version_1909_updated_sep_2020_x64_dvd_c2cf83f3.iso
        en_windows_10_consumer_editions_version_1909_updated_sep_2020_x86_dvd_e5195381.iso

        note – these are not publicly available; only available to MVS subscribers

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        • #2297302 Reply
          Berserker79
          AskWoody Lounger

          This is very helpful, thanks for the information. Now I have to find a willing MVS subscriber, but ask him/her whether they have an Italian version of one of the two files you have mentioned (unless those files support all languages ofc!).

      • #2297584 Reply
        Berserker79
        AskWoody Lounger

        Just reporting that I seem to have found one more way to get hold of a 1909 Build 18363.592 ISO.

        According to ghacks.com ISO files as wells as ESD files of the various Windows 10 versions are available for download on the Adguard website.

        I took a look and the 1909 ISO they offer is stated to be Build 18362.418, however in the ESD section what is stated to be Build 18363.592 is available as and .esd file. Turning the .esd into an ISO was just a matter of some searching the internet and downloading a suitable tool. Unfortunately, as reported on TenForums, the resulting ISO created from the .esd fails to work with the DISM tool so I couldn’t check the actual Build number.

        • #2297585 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Heidoc.net is the only download source (other than Microsoft) recommended by AskWoody, because we know the downloads are from Microsoft Servers, they work and are safe.

          • #2297592 Reply
            Berserker79
            AskWoody Lounger

            That’s a very good point, thanks. Updating Windows 10 is already tricky enough without looking for trouble by using files we are are not sure will work and/or prove safe.

          • #2298107 Reply
            Berserker79
            AskWoody Lounger

            Heidoc.net is the only download source (other than Microsoft) recommended by AskWoody, because we know the downloads are from Microsoft Servers, they work and are safe.

            Hi PKCano,

            Further on this topic, I just noticed that according to ghacks the downloads of the ISO files from the Adguard website are “from Microsoft services directly”:

            https://www.ghacks.net/2017/03/13/adguard-website-download-windows-and-office-iso-images/

            On the other hand, I don’t know what their sources are for that statement, so unless I hear to the contrary I’ll consider only Heidoc (other than MS) as a safe source for the ISO files, as per your post above.

      • #2297667 Reply
        HE48AEEXX77WEN4Edbtm
        AskWoody Plus

        Current OS:  Windows 10 Version 1903 OS Build 18362.1082.

        In the past, I have requested and always received very knowledgeable/helpful information concerning various computer problems. My latest issue is related to upgrading from 1903 to 1909.  Every time I start the upgrade, I discontinue it because I am very uncertain as to the exact process and don’t want to screw up my system. Therefore, could someone post a step-by-step procedure for upgrading from 1903 to 1909? I recently paused Windows Update back to October 25, 2020 since I received the message that version 2004 was ready to be installed. I would just like to move up to 1909 until I am forced to install 2004 in the far-off future. Since my system informed me it is ready to install 2004, will this create a problem if I try to upgrade to 1909?  I realize many users on Woody’s site are very proficient in operating their computers; however, for novices like me, confusion arises concerning issues such as “mount the ISO on your PC” (how?), whether to use File Explorer or a USB?, whether to do a “clean install” or just do an upgrade. Therefore, for the less talented users, a step-by-step explanation would be greatly appreciated.

         

        Thank you for your assistance.

        • #2297673 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Do you have Home or Pro Edition?
          Is your ID a Local ID or a Microsoft ID?
          If you want individual help with this, please create a new topic in the Windows 1903 Forum. Copy the contents of the above post into the topic and include the answer to the above two questions. You could name the topic “Need help upgrading Win10 1903 to 1909”

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      • #2297706 Reply
        Linda2019
        AskWoody Plus

        From what I have read ,  if you use an ISO it has to be the same version as the running operating system in order to be able to use it to .. for instance.. run a sfc /scannow command and you get an error message about not being about to find source files… it cant repair your system.

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