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It’s DefCon Tuesday again.  Remember Windows 10 22H2 will be out later this month. We have yet to get the details on the Windows 10/11 ‘moment’ releas
[See the full post at: Ready for October’s Patches?]

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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AKB 2000003 has been updated for Group B Win7 (ESU) and Win8.1 on Oct 10, 2022.

There is a Security-only Update for those with Win7 ESU subscriptions.
There is an October IE11 CU KB5018413 for Win7 ESU subscriptions.

October Rollup KB5018454 Download 32-bit or 64-bit for those with Win7 ESU subscriptions.

You must have at least the August 2020 Servicing Stack KB4570673 previously installed to receive these updates).

There is a Sept 2022 Servicing Stack KB5017397 – Download 32-bit or 64-bit  for those with Win7 ESU subscriptions.

There are .NET Framework updates listed for Win7. See #2487370.

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Microsoft has released a new ESU Licensing Preparation Package KB5016892 for the extension of Win7/Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 ESU on Aug 25, 2022. Requires SHA-2 KB4474419 (9/23/2019 or later) and SSU KB4490628 (3/12/2019).

 

There is an October 2022 SSU KB5018922 for Win8.1
There is an October IE11 CU KB5018413 forWin8.1

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For Win 7 ESU KB5018454 October rollup, there are many reports of it failing when using windows update.  The fix that worked for me and others is to download the update from the MS catalog and install it.

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For those on Windows 11 22H2 remember Microsoft warned about a SMB file copy slowdown.

Microsoft already said the slow copy is not a SMB problem . Its a Kernel problem.

And

Signing in using Windows Hello might not work as expected after upgrading to Windows 11, version 22H2 on devices using Windows Hello Enhanced Sign-in Security. Windows Hello using face, fingerprint or PIN might be affected. This issue might be encountered on devices which already have Windows Hello when upgrading but should not happen on devices which enable Windows Hello after upgrading or installing Windows 11, version 22H2.

To safeguard your upgrade experience, we have applied a compatibility hold on devices using Windows Hello Enhanced Sign-in Security from being offered or installing Windows 11, version 22H2. If your organization is using Update Compliance, the safeguard ID is 40667045. ..

Resolved
KB5017389

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SMB file shares.  It’s still a problem with file copying no matter what you want to call it 🙂

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Susan Bradley wrote:

It’s still a problem with file copying no matter what you want to call it

I’ve had no issues with file copying, either from partition to partition, SSD to SSD, desktop to NAS, or desktop to phone.  I routinely copy drive images which are from ~17GB to 53GB in size SSD to SSD and desktop to NAS, as well as music/video files from desktop to phone and vice-versa.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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“Heya folks, Ned here again. There is a performance reduction in 22H2 when copying larger files from a remote computer down to a Windows 11 computer or when copying files on a local drive.

For the latest information about this issue, please see the known issues section of KB5017389

If you are using Microsoft 365 admin center and have Windows Release Health available there, you can view this issue in the Windows 11, version 22H2 section. The ID on Microsoft 365 is WI442499″

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Susan Bradley wrote:

There is a performance reduction in 22H2 when copying larger files from a remote computer down to a Windows 11 computer or when copying files on a local drive.

I’m not denying that some people are having issues, I’m only saying that I am not.  I just put a stop watch on a copy from NAS (Windows 10 Pro 21H2) to Desktop, a drive image file transferred over Gigabit Ethernet: 53,053,348KB in 9:03:67 which includes grabbing the file with the left mouse button and dropping it, for a transfer rate of 95.3 MB/s.  This is quite normal for my setup since my hardware upgrade June 19, 2022, before 22H2.

Copy from Desktop NVMe SSD partition to SATA SSD, same file: 1:48:47 including drag and drop for a transfer rate of 477.64 MB/s.  Again, this is quite normal for my setup.  I personally haven’t noticed any issues with large file transfer rates.  YMMV

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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On Neowin.net

Windows 10 October 2022 Patch Tuesday (KB5018410) out — here’s what’s new and what’s broke

Microsoft releases Patch Tuesday update for Windows 11 (KB5018418)

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Win 10 21H2  No issue About 15 min…. (2) Macrium Bkups Ready …. KB5018410 Oct CU – MSRT …. Control panel often shows SSU,etc., but only CU there today.

W10 Pro 22H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / HP Envy Desk-Ethernet - SSD-HDD/ i5(8th Gen) 12GB / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU=0

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Susan Bradley wrote:

Ready for October’s Patches?

As always.

Hardened Windows user

KB5018427 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems
KB5019349 .NET Core 3.1.30 Security Update for x64 Client
KB890830 Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.106

Now on Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 (OS Build 22621.674)

Did not disable Malwarebytes, no hiccups.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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I finally got around to updating the B side of my dual boot today.

KB5018427 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems
KB5017271 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 11, version 22H2 for x64
KB5019349 .NET Core 3.1.30 Security Update for x64 Client
KB890830 Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.106

Now running Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 (OS Build 22621.674).  No issues.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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Ready to go.

Full disk image done.

Will update later today.

 

 

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Updates went smoothly, and no issues so far.

 

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FWIW, I had some difficulty installing the SSU for Windows 8.1 as it refused to download at first, but patience and persistence paid off, and it installed.

I also installed the .NET update for 8.1 and the MSRT for 8.1 with no problem.

I am still waiting to install the Windows 8.1 Security Update only and the Internet Explorer update.  I don’t know why Microsoft continues to issue updates for IE since it is dead, and Windows 8.1 will also soon be unsupported.

That’s all for now, folks.

Mark

 

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If you use the Win8.1 SQMR (Rollup) KB5018474, you do not need the IE11 CU because it is included in the Rollup. You only need it if you use the Security-only patch KB5018476 (which does not include the IE11 update).

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@PKCano:

Yes, I know. I didn’t get the SSU  in Windows Update until I hid the rollup.

I always update some of the patches with the Microsoft Update Catalog  (thanks for your list).

Why do I not use the rollup?  Because I have a slow connection and updating would take at least the better part of an hour.  Updating, with rebooting, etc. is slow enough now with the Update Catalog on my old, slow computer.

When I used to update Access 2013, someone at Microsoft would write “Wow, you must have a slow connection”.  I no longer use Access.

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I installed KB5018476 and KB5018413, (Windows 8.1) but the installations weren’t normal.  Using the Windows Update Catalog was different for starters.  I chose the updates I wanted, and pressed Download, but instead of the usual automatic process,  the downloads went into my Downloads folder.

Then I had to double-click each file to install.  The process followed the normal pattern after that. with the different panels appearing.  This never happened to me before.  I never saw the actual update files before on my computer.  Now they have to be deleted manually, instead of with Disk Cleanup.

Then on the reboot for KB5018476, but not the other update, the computer took an inordinate amount of time to boot (about 20 minutes), so much so that I thought that I had lost it so I invoked automatic repair procedures, which didn’t do any good – it was a slow reboot.

Everything runs normally now.

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Mark wrote:

I chose the updates I wanted, and pressed Download, but instead of the usual automatic process, the downloads went into my Downloads folder.

I don’t know what browser you use. I use FireFox. The default download location is set in your browser settings. You can probably also set whether is asks you where before downloading.

Mark wrote:

I never saw the actual update files before on my computer. Now they have to be deleted manually, instead of with Disk Cleanup.

Disk Cleanup works if you use Windows Update to download the updates. Then it knows where the files are. When you download from the MS Catalog, it doesn’t clean up your Downloads Folder.

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Addendum:

Everything did not work normally, as I eventually found out.  Booting Windows was painfully slow – almost 15 minutes – so much that I thought that the hard drive was crashing.  But by using chkdsk and another utility, boot sequences became shorter with a multitude of restarts so things are about back to normal now.  I am not sure what happened.  I didn’t have the problems before I installed the updates.  I haven’t had problems like this in a long time.

Ubuntu updates are much smoother and worry-free, at least since 16.04.

Mark

 

 

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Installed without issue:

Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.106 (KB890830)

2022-10 .NET 6.0.10 Security Update for x64 Client (KB5019351)

2022-10 .NET Core 3.1.30 Security Update for x64 Client (KB5019349)

2022-10 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5018427)

Now on build Windows 11 Pro 22H2 22621.674

--Joe

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Oct 11th 2022 MSFT Patches

Win8.1 Pro x64 (2 of 3 devices)
KB5018922 SSU
KB5018474 CU
KB5018519 NET4.8 Rollup

Win10 Pro (x86 and x64 – 2 devices)
KB5018410 CU x64/ x86
Both updated to version 21H2 (OS build 19044.2130)

Findings on all devices:
MSRT blocked as usual.
No event viewer errors.
SFC OS Integrity good.
Shutup10++ no changes made.
Homeuser confidence is high here this month 😉

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Addendum for those who use O&O Shutup ++ v1.9.1431 (most recent)
Be warned (same behaviour flagged on two W10 devices x86 and x64)

O&O Shutup has flagged a delayed? change:
‘Cloud Search’ / ‘Disable MSFT Edge Launch in background’ were reactivated sometime post patching after several restarts but not immediately.
Absolutely nothing installed in between CU patch installation and today other than MSFT Defender updates..go figure
FWIW – I don’t use ChrEdge..period

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Win 10 21h2 enterprise. One system showed an eventlog 6008, unexpected system shutdown, which in reality didn’t happen. Seems to be an error that happens sometimes with updates, according to Microsoft. No hard shutdown experienced for the rest, updates installed as expected without a hitch or extra restarts in between. So I think I’ll leave it as it is, not much else I can do. It all works as it should.

On another PC the print server didn’t start after the update and restart. Oh well, don’t print anything from that machine anyway. Both systems are basically backups anyway, not used for production anymore. Those days are over for good, too risky.

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Windows 10 Pro 21H2. Smooth update.
winver: 19044.2130

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Hi Susan:

Windows Update successfully installed the following Oct 2022 Patch Tuesday updates on my Win 10 Pro v21H2 laptop and I haven’t noticed any negative effects so far:

• KB5018410: 2022-10 Cumulative Update for Win 10 Version 21H2 for x64 (OS Build 19044.2130)
• KB5019349: 2022-10 .NET Core 3.1.30 Security Update for x64 Client **
• KB5019351: 2022-10 .NET 6.0.10 Security Update for x64 Client **
• KB890830 : Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.106

** include security patch for CVE-2022-41032 (.NET elevation of privilege vulnerability)

As a precaution I disabled my Malwarebytes real-time protection before starting the installation [see TheQuickFox’s 01-Oct-2022 Possible Incompatibility Issue with KB5017389 (Update for Windows 11 22H2)] but as far as I know this glitch where Malwarebytes Premium can interfere with Windows updates has only been reported by a few Win 11 users.
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Dell Inspiron 5584 * 64-bit Win 10 Pro v21H2 build 19044.2130 * Firefox v105.0.3 * Microsoft Defender v4.18.2209.7-1.1.19700.3 * Malwarebytes Premium 4.5.15.215-1.0.1784

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lmacri wrote:

… As a precaution I disabled my Malwarebytes real-time protection before starting the installation [see TheQuickFox’s 01-Oct-2022 Possible Incompatibility Issue with KB5017389 (Update for Windows 11 22H2)]…

Just an FYI that, like many Malwarebytes Premium users, I have turned OFF the Malwarebytes setting at Security | Windows Security Center | Always Register Malwarebytes in the Windows Security Center (see attached image). That means that Microsoft Defender is registered with Windows as my primary AV and Malwarebytes essentially runs as a secondary “backup” to look for any potential threats missed by Microsoft Defender. If I temporarily disable Malwarebytes’ real-time protection then Microsoft Defender will continue to protect my system.
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Dell Inspiron 5584 * 64-bit Win 10 Pro v21H2 build 19044.2130 * Firefox v105.0.3 * Microsoft Defender v4.18.2209.7-1.1.19700.3 * Malwarebytes Premium 4.5.15.215-1.0.1784 * Macrium Reflect Free v8.0.6979

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lmacri wrote:

As a precaution I disabled my Malwarebytes real-time protection before starting the installation

I always pause my reall-time A/V (Kaspersky) before running updates as the A/V slows down considerably update process.
With no A/V protection I pray Microsoft’s updates won’t contain malware, trojans, ransomware…

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Alex5723 wrote:

With no A/V protection I pray Microsoft’s updates won’t contain malware, trojans, ransomware…

No need to pray since it has never happened.

Windows 11 Pro version 22H2 build 22621.2361 + Microsoft 365 + Edge

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I still remember Dan Mr. DNS Kaminsky discussion on this.  Because of the digital signing, the code you get is guaranteed to be from Microsoft and can’t be tampered with.

It would be extremely a career limiting move for Microsoft the firm to send out from their source malware.

(granted we may consider some of their actions malware like (cough search resetting/reset pdf to browsers) but the code itself goes through a malware checking before it’s sent from Redmond.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Alex5723 wrote:

I always pause my reall-time A/V (Kaspersky) before running updates as the A/V slows down considerably update process. With no A/V protection I pray Microsoft’s updates won’t contain malware, trojans, ransomware…

Well, some consider Microsoft infallible. But understand that most attack factors are 0Days and even “known” software flaws themselves, msoffice and the databases, are quite notorious I.M.H.O.  I think you are playing with fire to disable the Antimalware Programs during patching. There’s a lot going on in the world right now. Monday coming and the B52’s are practicing again, fully loaded I recon.

* _ the metaverse is poisonous _ *

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I forgot to pause the updates.  Home user, Win 10, 21H2.  No problems

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That Home eition OS is now MORE secure 🙂

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My October “Updates Available” list includes a whole bunch of unexpected items (mostly relating to Intel) and I have no idea what any of them are. I am attaching a screen capture of the items. Should these updates be installed, or should I hide them?

I ran Dell SupportAssist to see what updates it suggested.  The following items were listed, and may be related to those offered by Windows Updates.

( Note: 1 – Windows Update lists NVIDIA driver version 30.0.15.1277, while SupportAssist lists versioin 31.0.15.1694.  2 – Windows Update lists Ethernet driver version 3.1222.608.4, while SupportAssist lists version 3.1222.620)

Critical updates:

NVIDIA GeForce GT 10xx/GTX 1xxx/RTXxxxx Graphics Driver
This package contains the NVIDIA GeForce graphics driver. A graphics or video driver is the software that enables communication between the graphics card and the operating system, games, and applications. This update addresses Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE). Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) is a list of security vulnerabilities and exposures that are publicly disclosed. The following are the supported graphics cards: NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050/1060 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650/1650 Super/1660/1660 Super/1660 Ti NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 SI/2060 Super/2070/2070 Super/2080/2080 Super/2080 Super LC/2080 Ti NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050/3060/3060 Ti/3070/3070 Ti/3080/3080 Ti/3090/3090 Ti
Version: 31.0.15.1694
Category: Video
Release Date: October 08, 2022
Last Updated:
Importance: Urgent
File Format:
File Name: NVIDIA-GeForce-10xx-16xx-20xx-30xx-Graphics-Driver_7NFC0_WIN_31.0.15.1694_A00.EXE
File size: 814.95 MB

Recommended updates:

Intel Management Engine Components Installer
This package contains the driver for the Intel Management Engine Components Installer. This driver installs Intel Management Engine Interface, Serial Over LAN driver, Local Manageability Service, Intel Converged Security and Manageability Engine (CSME), Windows Management Instrumentation (WMI) provider, Intel Management Security Status application, and Intel Capability Licensing Service Client.
Version: 2205.15.0.2623
Category: Chipset
Release Date: April 21, 2022
Last Updated:
Importance: Recommended
File Format:
File Name: Intel-Management-Engine-Components-Installer_497XT_WIN_2205.15.0.2623_A08.EXE
File size: 279.88 MB

Killer PCIe Ethernet Controller Driver
This package contains the driver for the Killer E2X00 and E3X00 Gigabit Ethernet Controller. The Ethernet network driver helps the system to connect to a wired Internet connection.
Version: 3.1222.620
Category: Network
Release Date: August 10, 2022
Last Updated:
Importance: Recommended
File Format:
File Name: Killer-PCIe-Ethernet-Controller-Driver_4K1KH_WIN_3.1222.620_A44.EXE
File size: 98.05 MB

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You should update the drivers through your computer’s OEM and hide the ones from Microsoft.
There are also Group Policy settings (for Win10/11 Pro) and Registry settings (Home and Pro Editions) that allow you to exclude driver updates from Windows Update.

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So, I should hide all 12 of the listed updates, and install the ones that are suggested by Dell SupportAssist?  (Note, I updated my original posting to include Dell’s suggestions, and am not sure if I did that before or after you reviewed it.)

I also have a much older system that was recently update from Win8.1 to Win10.  It is also a Dell, but is no longer supported by SupportAssist, so no OEM driver recommendations are available for that system.  Would it make sense to accept Microsofts offerings for that system?

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Bruce wrote:

So, I should hide all 12 of the listed updates, and install the ones that are suggested by Dell SupportAssist?

Yes

Bruce wrote:

I also have a much older system that was recently update from Win8.1 to Win10.

You can find the info on the hardware from Control Panel\Device Manager and using msinfo32.exe. Then go to the Dell Support site and and Enter your Service Code. If you are lucky, you may find the drivers for Win10 there. Be sure get the correct one for the h/w. I have found that the Win8.1 drivers may work in Win10 also.

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I wouldn’t suggest updating drivers unless you are having a specific problem.

 

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IMHO it depends.  Are you rolling out Windows 11?  If so update those drivers.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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after installing October patch, outlook tls may failed to connect postfix mail servers. we were hit by the bug. upstream is discussing what happened. it seems a strange bug and only Microsoft knows why.

https://marc.info/?l=postfix-users&m=166584042429636&w=2

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I’m not seeing that here – but I’m 365.  You may want to check out the out of band updates released for Windows 10/11 to see if that helps?

https://www.askwoody.com/2022/master-patch-list-as-of-october-17-2022/

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October patch has some tls bugs. one of them is that you can not enable tls 1.0/1.1. the out of band update seems fix that. but I don’t use tls 1.0/1.1. so I still need to wait…

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Hardened Windows user here again.  Checking for updates on the A side of my dual boot today I got

KB5019509 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems

Now running Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 (OS Build 22621.675).  Yes, File Explorer does have tabs; click the “+” on the far right of the title bar menu opens a fresh File Explorer in a tab.  That’s probably the only time I’ll use that.  It has added a couple more items to that menu as well.  It also brought back the Quick Access folder, but I got rid of that already.

No hiccups.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

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October updates installed on my 2 Win10 21H2 PC’s and my Uncles 6 Win10 21H2 PC’s with no problems.

Also verified all our VPN S/W (Global Protect, Cisco, Citrix, etc.) still worked as expected so no TLS issues that would require the OoB KB5020435 update!

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I was offered KB5018410 this morning. If I recall there is an Outlook issue which had me concerned? Cannot find this issue. But I use Outlook 2010 desktop and nothing Exchange. Should I be concerned or ok to install? Any other issues to look for? Printers Etc.?

Thanks. Will wait for a reply before inytalling 🙂

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Hmmm, Googling now and find:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/outlook/kb5018410-problem-with-outlook/m-p/3652428

They say the fix is here:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/outlook/kb5018410-problem-with-outlook/m-p/3652428

More links of the issue. Will I need both or is”18410″ fixed now?

 

 

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@SB <SB> Can you comment on whether I should have concern installing this? Have been waiting for opinions here before attempting to install.

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@rebop2020 –

Not seeing a reply here from Susan, I thought I’d ask the question: Have you downloaded and installed KB5018410 yet or not?

The KB itself has been given the go-ahead for installation and is listed as “Install” on the Master Patch List. As far as your concern about subsequent problems with Outlook, I’ve read the thread you linked to and I believe there’s a possibility, but not a given that it will happen to you.

If you haven’t yet installed KB5018410, I’d go ahead and install it after making your necessary back-ups. I’d also download (but NOT install) the fix for the problem from the MS Update Catalog before installing KB5018410.

By only downloading the fix for the problem, you’re ready in case you have problems with Outlook after installing KB5018410. Remember, though, there’s absolutely no guarantee that you will have problems with Outlook after installing KB5018410, just a possibility.

Having the fix ready allows you to simply double click the file and install the fix should you have problems after installing KB5018410. If you don’t have any problems, then you can simply delete the file you downloaded.

By the way, the specific problem with using Outlook that’s mentioned in the thread you linked to is that a couple of users were unable to send email with Outlook after installing KB5018410.

I hope that this post helps put things in the proper perspective for you with this dilemma.

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I did download finally with no issue. Did a backup, of course. Could not afford an Outlook issue. I did realize it was an SMTP issue and I use three different SMTP servers through Outlook. Thanks.

Susan, I do not think that is the issue in question. Not authentication which was a few months back, but SMTP servers which is not necessarily anything Exchange related.

All that said, I have an HTML formatting issue with Outlook I have in SOME emails. And always the same emails. I belive it is a Word issue as Word is the HTML engine for Outlook. I may have to start a thread with a few images and get some opinions on the easiest fix.

 

 

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Apologies for missing your question.  The issue with outlook has to do with online exchange and the use is basic authentication- a normal user name and password.  It’s not triggered by the KB

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PKCano wrote:

Disk Cleanup works if you use Windows Update to download the updates. Then it knows where the files are. When you download from the MS Catalog, it doesn’t clean up your Downloads Folder.

I didn’t know that.  It should clean everything.  I usually delete used files.

I have thought about this problem I had, and I believe that I chose the download option instead of the Update Installer option, which makes download and installation automatic, which I normally use.  However, in this instance I do not recall getting this option, so I either chose or was given the download option, and the file went to the Downloads folder.

Mark

 

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