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Here we go again with the monthly updates for Windows. Just a reminder that end of life for Server 2012 and 2012r2 is hitting. You can opt for 0Patch,
[See the full post at: Ready for Thanksgiving updates?]

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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AKB 2000003 has been updated for Group B Win7 and Win8.1 on Nov 14, 2023.

See #2602522 and #2602523 for information on Win7 and Win8.1 updates (Logged in Member access required).

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The October 2023 security update might fail to install

Fixed with Nov. 23 KB5032189

“Fixes an issue when installing KB5031356. The installation of the update would display progress but would not finish.”

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Noted in the resolved section.   I do wish they would detail the root cause.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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https://www.ghacks.net/2023/11/14/the-windows-november-2023-security-updates-are-now-available/

Windows 10 version 22H2: 25 vulnerabilities, 2 critical and 23 important.

Windows HMAC Key Derivation Elevation of Privilege Vulnerability — CVE-2023-36400
Windows Pragmatic General Multicast (PGM) Remote Code Execution Vulnerability — CVE-2023-36397

Windows 11 version 22H2: 29 vulnerabilities, 2 critical and 27 important
same as Windows 10 version 22H2

Windows 11 version 23H2: 29 vulnerabilities, 2 critical and 27 important
same as Windows 10 version 22H2

Windows Server 2008 R2 (extended support only): 15 vulnerabilities: 1 critical and 14 important

Windows Pragmatic General Multicast (PGM) Remote Code Execution Vulnerability — CVE-2023-36397

Windows Server 2012 R2 (extended support only): 61 vulnerabilities: 11 critical and 50 important
Not published (yet)

Windows Server 2016: 23 vulnerabilities: 2 critical and 21 important

Windows HMAC Key Derivation Elevation of Privilege Vulnerability — CVE-2023-36400
Windows Pragmatic General Multicast (PGM) Remote Code Execution Vulnerability — CVE-2023-36397

Windows Server 2019: 27 vulnerabilities: 12 critical and 66 important
same as Windows Server 2016

Windows Server 2022: 30 vulnerabilities: 2 critical and 28 important.
same as Windows Server 2016..

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^ ghacks article currently is showing all the October 2023 info in their November article.

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Guest wrote:

^ ghacks article currently is showing all the October 2023 info in their November article.

No. It is showing November updates.

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I’m still utilizing Win 10. I installed the Cumulative updates for .Net Framework and 22H2 without difficulty or any issues requiring my attention after the install. My Os is now Win 1o Pro 22H2 19045.3693.

Peace,

CAS

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Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.119 (KB890830)

2023-11 .NET 6.0.25 Security Update for x64 Client (KB5032883)

2023-11 .NET 7.0.14 Security Update for x64 Client (KB5032884)

2023-11 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 11, version 23H2 for x64 (KB5032007)

2023-11 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 23H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5032190)

All were installed without incident.

Now running Windows 11 Pro 23H2 22631.2715

--Joe

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Hardened Windows user:

KB5032190 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 23H2 for x64-based Systems
KB5032007 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 11, version 23H2 for x64
KB890830 Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.119

Now running Windows 11 Pro Version 23H2 (OS Build 22621.2715)

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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bbearren wrote:

KB5032190 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 23H2 for x64-based Systems
KB5032007 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 11, version 23H2 for x64
KB890830 Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.119

Now running Windows 11 Pro Version 22H2 (OS Build 22621.2715)

You installed updates for Win11 23H2 and ended up with 22H2 Build 22621.2715?
Did you possibly make a mistake? 🙂

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PKCano wrote:

Did you possibly make a mistake?

Yes, a typo.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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Were there any hiccups? 🙂

Mark

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Mark wrote:

Were there any hiccups?

Nope.  I had some hiccups getting to 23H2, but I resolved those.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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My NAS (unsupported hardware) got the push overnight.  No hiccups.

My Dell Latitude E5420 (unsupported hardware) got the push as well, and also KB5032883 .NET 6.0.25 Security Update for x64 Client.  No hiccups there, either.

I’ll do the B side of my daily driver sometime today.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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The B side of my daily driver got the push almost as soon as I signed in, no hiccups.

That’s four out of four fully updated to Windows 11 Pro Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), two of which are on unsupported hardware, all without hiccups.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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KB5032190 re-installed Edge, but Edge didn’t make itself known until yesterday, 11/18.  Revo Uninstaller Pro made short work of that on all four installations.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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FYI

1) .NET Blog – .NET Framework November 2023 Security and Quality Rollup

2) .NET Blog – .NET November 2023 Updates – .NET 7.0.14, .NET 6.0.25

The updates contain both security and non-security improvements.

HTH.

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PC1 in my signature updated with no issues so far, after making the usual Macrium Reflect backup beforehand, of course.

I see Microsoft have now “helpfully” added the word “System” to those unremovable icons on the Start Menu.

I guess they must have heard the many people who were complaining about these icons cluttering up the Start Menu but instead of providing a way of removing or hiding them they’ve decided to clutter things up even more by adding the word “System”. *sigh*

I’ll update PC2 tomorrow which I had Linux Mint on for a while but I’ve recently put Windows 10 back on it (using a Macrium image).

PC1: Gigabyte B560M D2V Motherboard, Intel i5 11400 CPU, 16GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 870 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Professional 22H2 64bit.
PC2: Asus H81M-PLUS Motherboard, Intel i3-4160 CPU, 16GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 870 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Home 22H2 64bit.

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With image backups at the ready I’ve updated 2 of three machines with no issues.
Windows 10 Pro 22H2 OS build 19045.3693

Custom desktop Asus TUF X299 Mark 1 16GB RAM i7-7820X
Four 27" 1080p screens 2 over 2.
Laptop Clevo/Sager i7-9750H - 17.3" Full HD 1080p 144Hz, 16GB RAM Win 10 Pro 22H2

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In our WSUS environment I don’t see Security Only updates for Windows Server 2012(r2) for November 2023, just the Security Monthly Quality Rollup updates. Microsoft did release Security Only updates for Server 2008(r2). Are the Security Only updates yet to come?

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No Security-only updates or .NET Framework security-only updates for Server 2012(r2) for November 2023. There is an IE11 CU and an SSU (req for Nov updates).

See #2602522 and #2602523 for information on updates (Logged in Member access required).
Updated every month on Patch Tuesday. Links to AKB2000003.

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DISM health/ SFC/ Chkdsk all good and system ssd trimmed before attempting nov update.
The test device (W10 Pro x86 22H2) November CU would NOT complete once again, stuck at 99% before ‘undoing changes’just like October CU on the same system.
Had to do an Over-the-Top installation before acceptance of the CU, that’s twice in back to back months..

Other three W10 installs, no problems.
Win11 to do but gonna wait a bit, as I’m frazzled, miffed off and tiring of MS.

FYI: Linux distro’s don’t even come close to this ‘update frustration level’..

Win8.1/R2 Hybrid lives on..

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“FYI: Linux distro’s don’t even come close to this ‘update frustration level’..”

Amen to that!

Mark

 

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Imaged, and then, Opened the floodgates and took 5032007 and 5032190 and a few little ones.
No apparent problems. Took about 10 minutes. Using WU.

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Windows 10 Pro 22H2.
Installed Nov. 23 updates.
26 min. start to desktop.

5 restarts :

First after installing updates
Second after reaching 30%
Third after reaching 100%
Fourth after Cleaning up
Fifth after notice of missing touchpad driver that require restart

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1. I’ve had success with patching 4 Windows 10 22H2 test machines, then patching and testing my work machines (laptop and desktop) with these latest set of 4 Windows Updates since October.
   1. KB5032189 2023-11 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5032189) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/5032189
   2. KB4023057 2023-10 Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB4023057) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/4023057
   3. KB5032339 2023-11 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.8 and 4.8.1 for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64 (KB5032339) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/5032339
   4. KB890830 Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.119 (KB890830) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830
2. Questions: Based on my above results, I’ve now authorized others in our group to apply these November updates. However: One user has reported an odd repeated installation of the September and October .NET Framework cumulative updates, KB5031224 and  KB5030180. Anyone else seeing this peculiarity? Fortunately the older cumulative .NET Framework updates preceded the install of the November .NET Framework cumulative update, but the meaning of cumulative seems “obscured” by this odd behavior. Anyone know what’s up with this?

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I think they forgot to add the 2023-09 Sept updates. When I did the Oct updates I got both. But strange, b/c they are supposed to be cumulative.

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deuxbits wrote:

… However: One user has reported an odd repeated installation of the September and October .NET Framework cumulative updates, KB5031224 and KB5030180. Anyone else seeing this peculiarity?…

Hi deuxbits:

I saw something similar last month on my Win 10 Pro v22H2 machine, and I think this oddity has something to do with the current rollout of MS .NET Framework v4.8.1 to Win 10 machines that started last month.  See my 15-Oct-2023 post # 2594292 and 21-Oct-2023 post # 2595944 in Susan Bradley’s’ October Updates – Here Comes Copilot.

Microsoft is gradually rolling out the KB5011048 Microsoft .NET Framework 4.8.1 for Windows 10 (which is listed in my Windows Update history under “Other Updates” with the Malicious Software Removal Tool definition updates instead of under “Quality Updates”).  Once KB5011048 was installed with my other Oct 2023 Patch Tuesday updates and I’d re-booted my computer Windows Update went back and unexpectedly installed the KB5030180 (2023-09 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.8 and 4.8.1 for Windows 10 Version 22H2, released 12-Sep-2023) released the previous month – I presume to patch the MS .NET Framework v4.8.1 that had just been rolled out to my system.
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Dell Inspiron 5584 * 64-bit Win 10 Pro v22H2 build 19045.3570 * Firefox v119.0.1 * Microsoft Defender v4.18.23100.2009-1.1.23100.2009 * Malwarebytes Premium v4.6.6.294-1.0.2189 * Macrium Reflect Free v8.0.7690

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Question regarding the Win 11 KB5032190 update.
Because of limited bandwidth and having more than one PC, I typically download patches from the catalog once and install them manually. I just upgraded one of my PCs to Windows 11 23H2. My question: Are the updates from the catalog for KB5032190 identical for Windows 11 22H2 & Windows 11 23H2. The file sizes and .msu names are the same. windows11.0-kb5032190-x64_fdbd38c60e7ef2c6adab4bf5b508e751ccfbd525.msu

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FYI

2 Windows 10 Home v22H2 systems (one x64 and another x86 system)
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After Macrium Reflect System Image backup were completed, resumed updates via Windows Update and installed the following:

(a) Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 (x86) – v5.119 (KB890830)
(b) 2023-11 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64 (x86) (KB5032339)
(c) 2023-11 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64 (x86)-based Systems (KB5032189)
(d) 2023-10 Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for 22H2 for x64 (x86)-based Systems (KB4023047)

For the x64 system, Windows Update installed the (b) and (d) patches first and duly prompted for a restart. The other 2 patches were held under the status “Pending Download” due to the “metered connection” status. After the restart, Windows Update proceeded to download and install the other 2 patches after I hit the “Download” button.

For the x86 system, Windows Update also installed the same 2 patches first but there was no restart prompt. Hit the “Download” button to complete the install of the rest of the patches. Only 1 restart required.

New OS Build 19045.3693

1) Clarification : The 2023-11 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 10 Version 22H2 is listed under the parent Knowledge Base heading (KB5032339) and is recorded in ‘Settings>Windows Update>View Update History’. However, the actual specific .Net Framework CU installed is (KB5032005) and is listed under ‘Control Panel>All Control Panel Items>Programs and Features>View Installed Updates’ instead.

Refer to the tables listed in .NET Blog – .NET Framework November 2023 Security and Quality Rollup for details.

2) Noticed a new entry of “Remote Desktop Connection” in both ‘Control Panel>All Control Panel Items>Programs And Features’ and ‘Settings>Apps>Apps & features’.

3) So far nothing untoward to report. Both Windows 10 Home systems are running stable since patching 2 day ago.

HTH.

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Hi Susan:

Windows Update successfully installed the following five November 2023 Patch Tuesday updates on my Win 10 Pro v22H2 laptop and I haven’t observed any negative effects so far.

• KB5032189: 2023-11 Cumulative Update for Win 10 Version 22H2 for x64 (OS Build 19045.3693)
• KB5032339: 2023-11 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.8 and 4.8.1 for Windows 10 Version 222H2 for x64
• KB5032883: 2023-11 .NET 6.0.25 Security Update for x64 Client
• KB5032884: 2023-11 .NET 7.0.14 Security Update for x64 Client
• KB890830 : Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.119

The only surprise this month is what didn’t happen. I did NOT observe the early “Restart Now” glitch this month that used to occur when Windows Update delivered a .NET Framework update with my other my Patch Tuesday updates (see the image attached to post # 2593792 of last month’s October Updates – Here Comes Copilot).   This month’s KB5032339  cumulative .NET Framework update installed silently without displaying a status of “Pending Restart” prompt (see attached image), and as ylm noted in post # 2603252 , Control Panel | Programs Programs and Features | View Installed Updates shows that KB5032005 (Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8.1 for Windows 10 Version 21H2 and 22H2; November 14, 2023) was the actual update installed so I’m hoping last month’s rollout of KB5011048 (Microsoft .NET Framework 4.8.1 for Windows 10) to my system has finally fixed this glitch.

As usual, there was an “extra” re-boot after I clicked the “Restart Now” button and the final installation / configuration reached “Working on updates – 30% Complete. Don’t turn off your computer”, but this month once it reached “100% Complete” it displayed my login screen without any further re-boots. I also noticed there was no message about performing a cleanup routine after it reached “100% Complete”.

ylm wrote:

2) Noticed a new entry of “Remote Desktop Connection” in both ‘Control Panel>All Control Panel Items>Programs And Features’ and ‘Settings>Apps>Apps & features’.

I also don’t recall seeing that Remote Desktop Connection app at Settings | Apps | Apps and Features before. I have no idea why it was installed (updated?) yesterday with my Nov 2023 Patch Tuesday updates but I did confirm that Settings | System | Remote Desktop | Enable Remote Desktop is still disabled on my system.

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Dell Inspiron 5584 * 64-bit Win 10 Pro v22H2 build 19045.3693 * Firefox v119.0.1 * Microsoft Defender v4.18.23100.2009-1.1.23100.2009 * Malwarebytes Premium v4.6.6.294-1.0.2189 * Macrium Reflect Free v8.0.7690

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lmacri wrote:

I also don’t recall seeing that Remote Desktop Connection app at Settings | Apps | Apps and Features before.

Is it possible that the Remote Desktop Connection UWP app was added this month because MS.NET Runtime v7.0.x was recently added to my system when I installed QuickInstaller (Preview / BETA)?  I noticed this month’s KB5032884 v7.0.14 update for this runtime is named Microsoft Windows Desktop Runtime v7.0.14 – x64 at Control Panel | Programs | Programs and Features, which is quite different than the name for my other MS. NET (Core) Runtimes.

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Dell Inspiron 5584 * 64-bit Win 10 Pro v22H2 build 19045.3693 * Firefox v119.0.1 * Microsoft Defender v4.18.23100.2009-1.1.23100.2009 * Malwarebytes Premium v4.6.6.294-1.0.2189 * Macrium Reflect Free v8.0.7690

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The desktop runtime is one of three runtime packages for .NET. See Install .NET on Windows – .NET | Microsoft Learn for an explanation of the three packages. The RDC app is not part of the desktop runtime. If it was installed as part of another package (Quickinstaller maybe), I’d be suspicious of that app trying to gain access to my system.

--Joe

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joep517 wrote:

… The RDC app is not part of the desktop runtime. If it was installed as part of another package (Quickinstaller maybe), I’d be suspicious of that app trying to gain access to my system.

Hi joep517:

Thanks for the link to that MS Learn article.

I contacted the developer of QuickInstaller (preview / BETA) and they confirmed that this software will not run with the base .NET Runtime v7.0.x for console apps and requires the larger .NET Desktop Runtime v7.0.x.  QuickInstaller can automatically update third-party software, which is not a feature I would ever use (I’m just testing alternatives to replace my SUMo / Software Update Monitor utility that I used to check for available updates for my portable apps before it reached EOL – see Magic66’s 08-Sep-2023 KC Softwares – Shutting Down) so I assume that’s why QuickInstaller requires a .NET (Core) Runtime.

There are several utilities that use the “old-style” MS .NET Framework v3.5 / v4.8.x for data collection, database connectivity and file access. Do you believe that programs that use a “new-style” MS .NET Runtime v6.0. or higher (or in this case the .NET Desktop Runtime v7.0.x) are inherently more dangerous than programs that use a MS .NET Framework, or are you just generally wary of any program that requires a connection to or from your computer?
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Dell Inspiron 5584 * 64-bit Win 10 Pro v22H2 build 19045.3693 * Firefox v119.0.1 * Microsoft Defender v4.18.23100.2009-1.1.23100.2009 * Malwarebytes Premium v4.6.6.294-1.0.2189 * Macrium Reflect Free v8.0.7690

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I’m just generally wary of anything that “phones home”. I’ve been careful online since the earliest days of online activity and have never had a system compromised.

--Joe

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lmacri wrote:

I also don’t recall seeing that Remote Desktop Connection app at Settings | Apps | Apps and Features before.

It is probably installed in connection of the coming Windows App

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Alex5723 wrote:

It is probably installed in connection of the coming Windows App

Hi Alex5723:

According to the 15-Nov-2023 Windows Central article Microsoft Unveils the ‘Windows App’ for Accessing Windows PCs in the Cloud From Any Device the “Windows App” (currently in preview / beta) “acts as a customizable home screen that incorporates all of Microsoft’s current Cloud PC services, as well as Remote Desktop and RDP connections” so you might be correct.  I hope Microsoft isn’t planning to push out more bloat like the “Windows App” to my machine as well.

Gunter Born’s 04-Nov-2023 Tech and Windows World blog post Windows 10 22H2 Preview Update KB5031445 Installs Remote Desktop Connection as Feature notes this RDC feature was added to the KB5031445 Preview (Windows 10 v22H2 OS Build 19045.3636) of 26-Oct-2023 without any documentation. From that blog post:

… First of all, it’s no harm to have mstsc.exe on your system, because it’s just there, but not active. But it’s not the best idea – in my view – to add an entry “Remote Desktop Connection” to a system, when it’s not required…

Gunter’s blog also indicates that this Remote Desktop Connection feature was previously included in Win 11 v22H2, and that the Nov 2023 Patch Tuesday only updated the mstsc.exe file version on Win 11 machines.
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Dell Inspiron 5584 * 64-bit Win 10 Pro v22H2 build 19045.3693 * Firefox v119.0.1 * Microsoft Defender v4.18.23100.2009-1.1.23100.2009 * Malwarebytes Premium v4.6.6.294-1.0.2189 * Macrium Reflect Free v8.0.7690

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Updated my first Win11 Pro:
Security Intel Update for Defender KB2267602
.NET Framework 3.5/4.8.1 CU KB5032007
Win11 Security CU KB5032190
Windows Configuration Update 5030509 (Experience Package?) This was not on the install list in Windows Update.
Win11 Pro on ARM v22H2 Build 22621.2715 in Parallels VM on M2Max MacBook Pro.

.NET CU ended in “Completed” instead of misleading “Reboot required”
Took all of 12 minutes from start to Desktop login – one reboot at 30% as usual.
Don’t see Dev Home anywhere (yet?) No Copilot apparent either, with Edge expunged. Remote Desktop Connection App dated 9/16/23, so not Nov. update.
Update: See #2603762 below.

Update: Third Win11 Pro update.
Win11 Pro on ARM v22H2 Build 22621.2715 in Parallels VM on M1 MacMini.
Same updates installed, same time frame as above.
Noted: Windows Configuration Update 5030509 (Experience Package? went from 1000.22674.1000.0 to 1000.22677.1000.0)

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Updated my 2nd Win11 Pro:
MSRT
Security Intel Update for Defender KB2267602
.NET Framework 3.5/4.8.1 CU KB5032007
Win11 Security CU KB5032190
Windows Configuration Update 5030509 (Experience Package?) This was not on the install list in Windows Update.
Win11 Pro v22H2 Build 22621.2715 hardware install on low-end test machine HP desktop AMD Ryzen 34300G w/ 8GB RAM.

.NET CU ended in “Restart required” and “Reboot now” while CU was still downloading. Waited till all were Completed.
Took 19 minutes from start to Desktop login – one reboot at 30% as usual, about 3 min between 97% and 100%, then another reboot at 100%.
Don’t see Dev Home anywhere (yet?) No Copilot apparent either, with Edge expunged. Remote Desktop Connection App dated 9/16/23, so not Nov. update.

Update: See #2603762 below.

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If you do a search for it, does it show up?

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Hi Susan:

re: Dev Home

I found it with my trusty Revo Uninstaller Pro.  It is called a Preview Version.  I deleted it because I don’t need it.  I don’t know why Microsoft pushes these things on people.

Mark

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Susan Bradley wrote:

If you do a search for it, does it show up?

Yes. It shows up using Search, requiring an update which “we’re getting ready for you.”

Update: Oooops!  That was the wrong thing to do. That installed it and it now shows up in Settings\Installed Apps. Let me use that PowerShell command quick!! With the /online switch if it can be deprovisioned too.

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Just a reminder for anyone, I still haven’t given the go ahead for installing updates.

BTW for anyone interested, the DevHome thing is interesting.  Microsoft is doing a slightly different behavior with that app. One that I wish they would stop doing.

New apps that are fully installed will show up with a “new icon”.  Apps that are fully installed will show up in “all apps”.  But these funky kinda there, kinda not there apps like DevHome will show up if you “search” for an application.  If you click on it, it will need an “update” – or rather it fully installs.  More info will be in the alert on Tuesday including info on how to remove it.

Needless to say yet another non documented behavior.

 

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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It’s called Dev Home.  I found it after my recent in-place installation.

It wasn’t there before.  It seems to think that the computer owner is a developer.  At one time I was going to develop on my Linux machine, and I did some for personal use.  But I decided that I am too old for that and life is too short.  I either hid it or deleted it.  I certainly didn’t set it up.

I think that if you have Windows 11 Pro you will get it if you don’t already have it,

Mark

 

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Installed on my “legacy” Acer i3 W10 Pro 22H2 (test/canary) laptop on Nov. 15:

• 2023-11 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5032189)
• 2023-11 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.8 and 4.8.1 for Windows 10 Version 222H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5032339)
• 2023-10 Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB4023047)
• Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool x64 – v5.119 (KB890830)

The .NET CU ended with ‘restart required’ as usual before the Windows CU ended. When both were completed I clicked ‘Restart now’. One reboot at 30% as usual. After ‘100% Complete’, I did get a ‘Cleaning Up’ message before the login screen appeared.

Regarding Remote Desktop Connection, I believe it is new with 2023-11 in W10 22H2. It shows 2023-11-15 as its install date and is absent on my W10 Pro 22H2 2023-10 level daily driver.

Regards, Phil

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Updated 2 Win10 Pro in Parallels VMs, both on Intel based Macs:

KB890830 MSRT
KB2267602 Security Intel. Def. for Defender
KB5032339 .NET Framework Rollup for v3.5, 4.8, 4.8.1
KB5032189 2023-11 CU

Observations:
– Total time 18 min on Kaby Lake i7, 22 min on Ivy Bridge i7.
– No “Restart now” after the .NET install completed.
– CU install %’s before “Restart now” in three parts. One quick 0-100%, the normal first 0-100% that I have attributed to the SSU in the past, and a long 0-100% for the CU.
– After “restart now” there seemed to be pauses at 20%, 44-45% and 74%. One normal reboot at 30%.
– Experience Pack 1000.19052.1000.0 -> 1000.19053.1000.0
– Remote Desktop Connection installed (Programs & Features and Settings\Installed Apps)

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Tis the season to be thankful (for SSDs/NVMes) and to be empathetic with the less fortunate (or OLD people like me) who run Win10 on OLD hardware with HDD spinners.

Updated an OLD Dell Studio XPS 1340 laptop I had upgraded from Win7 to Win10 Pro a while back (albeit a test machine).
Same updates as above.

• Time 68 minutes to “Restart now” with earlier “Restart now” notice after .NET completed
• Long pauses after “Restart now” at 20%, 44%, and 74% with “Cleaning up” at 98% before returning to the Desktop. Only one reboot at 30%.
• Total time around 3 hours, with the HDD light on bright the whole time.

After login, I walked away and left it sitting there, with Task Manager maxed out. At my age, I can relate to being out of breath after a little exercise!

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Last night I found something strange in one of my Windows11 Update queues. I had installed the November updates earlier and noted that in the Settings\System\About, the Experience Pack had also increased in version after the update (see 3rd update in #2603460) Had not revisited that installation since. Here’s what appeared along with a Defender update:

Online Service Experience Pack v 3.1.0.776
Improves the delivery of User Experience from the cloud

I did not download/install it. It did not show up in wushowhide after I closed the Settings App and there is no KB number associated with it. Definitely not the usual Experience Pack.

Has anyone else seen this?

 

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KB5017461: About Online Service Experience Packs – Microsoft Support

FYI

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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It doesn’t show up in wushowhide, and there is no KB number in Windows Update.

Ha! One more way for Microsoft to change things in the background without the User’s knowledge.

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PKCano wrote:

Ha! One more way for Microsoft to change things in the background without the User’s knowledge.

Doesn’t your screenshot contradict that? (Just trying to understand.)

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Once it’s installed, MS can make the changes in the background. Did you read the linked article in Susan’s reply?

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Thinking through this —
What if you never click on the “Download” button to install this particular update? Since it doesn‘t appear in WUSHOWHIDE, that means that you can’t keep it sequestered and out of sight, so it remains there on your “Updates available to download” page (forever), unless you download and install it. Fortunately, other updates in the queue can be listed on the page, so you still have the ability to download and install other updates.

It looks like it’s a good decision to make use of the GP setting to “notify/ download and install)” in order to stay on top of what MS wants to do with one’s Windows 11 area settings.

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PKCano wrote:

Once it’s installed, MS can make the changes in the background. Did you read the linked article in Susan’s reply?

Yes. Nothing there about changes in the background without a user’s knowledge.

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To quote:

It enables us to quickly make updates to specific areas outside of a major Windows update.

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This one wasn’t in the background without user’s knowledge, so why should the next one be? (Unless you’re in the habit of reading between the lines and always assuming Microsoft is doing something evil.)

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PKCano wrote:

MS can make the changes in the background

Microsoft always could and made changed in the background. Exmp. KIR

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And don’t forget the things it does to the Taskbar.

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I’ve forgotten. What things does it do to the taskbar?

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Search for it.
It was/has been discussed on this site.

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I can’t search for something when I’ve got no idea what you’re talking about.

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PKCano wrote:

And don’t forget the things it does to the Taskbar.

b wrote:

I’ve forgotten. What things does it do to the taskbar?

PKCano wrote:

Search for it.

b wrote:

I can’t search for something when I’ve got no idea what you’re talking about.

What’s new with Taskbar and Start Menu in the Windows 11 version 23H2

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We were all once "Average Users". We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

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bbearren wrote:

What’s new with Taskbar and Start Menu in the Windows 11 version 23H2

I believe we’re discussing unannounced changes in the background, not those that arrive with plenty of warning in a feature update.

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b wrote:

not those that arrive with plenty of warning in a feature update.

add “and not those that arrive with plenty of warning in an Online Service Experience Pack update”?

PKCano’s screenshot shows a warning. It says that a change is going to take place at Settings>Account.

Is that warning enough, despite the fact that no KB# is given? (A KB# for it exists, given in Susan’s post. (I wonder how she found it, though).

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WCHS wrote:

add “and not those that arrive with plenty of warning in an Online Service Experience Pack update”?

Was that unannounced in the background? (Please quote complete sentences.)

WCHS wrote:

PKCano’s screenshot shows a warning. It says that a change is going to take place at Settings>Account.

Is that warning enough, despite the fact that no KB# is given?

Yes.

WCHS wrote:

(A KB# for it exists, given in Susan’s post. (I wonder how she found it, though).

The KB describes what Online Experience Service Packs are, and how they appear, with this one as the first example.

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b wrote:

(Please quote complete sentences.)

@b:
If the complete sentence were in the quote, it would read: “I believe we’re discussing unannounced changes in the background, not those that arrive with plenty of warning in a feature update.”

And if the suggested text were added, the revised sentence would be:
“I believe we’re discussing unannounced changes in the background, not those that arrive with plenty of warning in a feature update and not those that arrive with plenty of warning in an Online Service Experience Pack update.”

{You’ve agreed that the notice in the “Updates available to download” screenshot contains a warning about what is included in the Online Service Experience Park update, so that means that the changes that the update will bring about are announced, just as changes that Feature Updates bring about are also announced.}

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WCHS wrote:

@b:
If the complete sentence were in the quote,

… an addition would not be necessary.

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b wrote:

WCHS wrote:

@b:
If the complete sentence were in the quote,

… an addition would not be necessary.

@b
why? Is on Online Service Experience Pack update categorized as a Feature Update? Or what?

{I’m looking for some new learning on terminology.}

I noticed a typo in the new quote of #2604334: ‘Park’ >> ‘Pack’

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WCHS wrote:

Experience Pack update categorized as a Feature Update

Experience Pack update is a feature update.

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I had a “strange” problem earlier this week when installing the November patches

KB890830 Malicious Software Removal Tool (Nov2023) MRT.exe
KB5032339 2023-11 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.8 and 4.8.1 …
KB5032189 2023-11 Cumulative Update for Win 10 22H2 for x64

on my Win 10 Pro 22H2 system.  The first two downloaded, installed, and wanted a reboot.  The cumulative KB5032189 patch is large, and took longer to download.  For the first time in Windows 10, Windows Update told me that the patch was 100% downloaded at the same time that the patch download completed.  In the past, the download has continued for 15+ minutes after WU had claimed that the patch was 100% downloaded.  After the patch downloaded, I thought that the patch had been installed (it seemed like a too short period of time), so I told WU to reboot.  The reboot completed without any problems.  WU tells me that the patch has been installed, but I see no EventID 19 record in the System EventLog for the patch.  I have installed the winupdatesview.exe app, and its output does not include KB5032189.  Where can I find a list of files updated by this patch (only those updated by November patches – not ones updated in previous months in this cumulative patch) so that I can tell if the patch was installed?  Also, if the patch was not installed, how can I get it installed?  Thanks.

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I suspect the CU had downloaded, but your reboot came before it had finished installing. Try rebooting your computer and see if it now installs.

In the future, wait to reboot until all updates say “reboot.”

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bsfinkel wrote:

Where can I find a list of files updated by this patch (only those updated by November patches – not ones updated in previous months in this cumulative patch) so that I can tell if the patch was installed?

Hi bsfinkel:

KB5032189 is the monthly cumulative Quality Update for the Nov 2023 Patch Tuesday of 14-Nov-2023 that patched Win 10 v22H2 to OS build 19045.3693. What build do you see if re-boot your computer, open a Run dialog box (Windows key + R) and enter winver? From my Win 10 Pro v22H2 laptop:

If KB5032189 installed correctly you should see that KB number listed at Control Panel | Programs | Programs and Features | View Installed Updates …

… and if installed that KB number should also be listed if you open a command prompt and enter wmic qfe | find “KB5032189” (be sure to use the quote marks).

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Dell Inspiron 5584 * 64-bit Win 10 Pro v22H2 build 19045.3693 * Firefox v120.0.0 * Microsoft Defender v4.18.23100.2009-1.1.23100.2009 * Malwarebytes Premium v4.6.6.294-1.0.2189 * Macrium Reflect Free v8.0.7690

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lmacri, thanks for the reply.  Without a new reboot, winver says, “19045.3693”, and wmic says, “https://support.microsoft.com/help/5032189 DESKTOP-L1E90LP Security Update KB5032189 NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 11/28/2023”.  Could it be that I had rebooted before Windows Update had finished putting entries in all of its various logs?

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bsfinkel wrote:

… it be that I had rebooted before Windows Update had finished putting entries in all of its various logs?

Hi bsfinkel:

That sounds plausible, but I’m not sure since I always follow PKCano’s advice in post # 2606892 and go to Settings | Update & Security | Windows Update and confirm that every Patch Tuesday update has finished installing and there is a “Restart Now” button displayed in that settings window (see the image I attached to my 17-Nov-2023 post # 2603400 of this thread). If I see a “Restart Now” notification pop-up in my system tray I don’t trust that notification since I’ve noticed that “Restart Now” button will sometimes pop-up prematurely in my system tray even though Settings | Update & Security | Windows Update shows that Windows Update hasn’t finished installing all my updates (for example, see the image I attached to my 13-Oct-2023 post # 2593792 in last month’s October Updates – Here Comes Copilot ).

In theory, if you accidentally re-boot your computer while Windows Update is in the middle of downloading / installing an update then Windows Update should be smart enough to roll back the incomplete update and then try again the next time Windows Update checks for available updates. In practice, however, I’m not sure that rollback always works as expected.

bsfinkel wrote:

… Also, if the patch was not installed, how can I get it installed?

Just for future reference, if you ever need to manually install a standalone .msu installer for a Windows update you can find it in the Microsoft Update Catalog at https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Home.aspx. Just search for the KB number of the update (e.g., KB5032189) and then click the Download button for the appropriate 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) installer for your system. In the example shown below if I chose to download the 64-bit .msu standalone installer for this month’s KB5032189 cumulative update for Win 10 v22H2 at https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB5032189 22H2 I would be offered a file called windows10.0-kb5032189-x64_0a3b690ba3fa6cd69a2b0f989f273cfeadba745f.msu. If I needed to install that update I could save that .msu installer to my desktop, close my browser and open programs, and double-click to run.  Once the installer has finished running you will be prompted to restart your computer if a restart is required to finish the installation.

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Dell Inspiron 5584 * 64-bit Win 10 Pro v22H2 build 19045.3693 * Firefox v120.0.1 * Microsoft Defender v4.18.23100.2009-1.1.23100.2009 * Malwarebytes Premium v4.6.6.294-1.0.2201 * Macrium Reflect Free v8.0.7690

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