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      • #2208668 Reply
        MrJimPhelps
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        I have seen disturbing reports of certain religious people being purposely careless with regard to the Coronavirus. The vast majority of the cases I have read about are of people who believe that God will protect them because they are faithful adherents to their religion. They therefore don’t take normal precautions.

        God gave you a brain for a reason – please use it. Please don’t take unnecessary risks; and please observe reasonable cautions with regard to preventing the spread of disease.

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      • #2208804 Reply
        anonymous
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        I appreciate that you chose your words with care to make your point without offending, I believe we have seen that not all philosophical groups that may be called religions are this reckless. I personally know of many institutions that canceled services the weekend before the governments in their areas took action.

        I have seen disturbing reports of certain religious people being purposely careless with regard to the Coronavirus.

        The word “certain” gives a vague level of deniability. I think the same general statement could be written without the word religious, and still be a good warning to others.

        –I have seen disturbing reports of certain people being purposely careless with regard to the Coronavirus.–

        Your admonition to use your God given talents to their fullest is good for those who were blessed with those talents. Not all are. The Darwin awards are not meant to be a competitive sport. But they do make good memorials for the instruction of others.

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      • #2208859 Reply
        woody
        Da Boss

        Worth noting: The “God will protect us” argument spans many religions, specifically with regards to COVID-19.

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        • #2208878 Reply
          anonymous
          Guest

          Woody, respectfully, I request reference support for this broad brush statement. Without specifics you have dripped your paint onto several that do not support foolishness in self care. Out of respect for Lounge Rules and my own desire to not inflict my personal beliefs on readers, I am restrained from citing chapter and verse that dictates a believer must keep themselves well. In order to better respect their chosen higher power.

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          • #2208891 Reply
            woody
            Da Boss

            Source: Personal observation.

            • #2208910 Reply
              anonymous
              Guest

              Very sincere thanks for addressing my concern directly.

              I had hoped to appeal to your personal interpretation of your own rules. But I will not extend myself into apologetics in a comments board. Especially your own. More thanks for allowing as much as you have.

              I feel a sorrow that your personal negative exposures to some has colored your views of some others. But I have also, with great respect, read in the past of your many positive associations. I suppose that is the limit of my comfort writing here.

              So to boldly quote a more modern, secular prophet: “…thanks for all the fish.”

            • #2209505 Reply
              MrJimPhelps
              AskWoody_MVP

              Worth noting: The “God will protect us” argument spans many religions, specifically with regards to COVID-19.

              Woody, respectfully, I request reference support for this broad brush statement. Without specifics you have dripped your paint onto several that do not support foolishness in self care.

              Source: Personal observation.

              Decades ago, I was caught up in the belief that if I had faith, I would be immune to disease. Conversely, if I did get sick, it was evidence that I didn’t have faith. Certain preachers were preaching that sort of message, and they had large followings via radio and TV. Thankfully, that time in my life lasted only a few years. I quit following those preachers, so I have no idea if they are still preaching that same message.

              Sadly, I read about a church near Baton Rouge, Louisiana, United States, which has decided to defy the government and have services as normal. “The virus, we believe, is politically motivated. We hold our religious rights dear and we are going to assemble no matter what someone says.”

              My church and many other churches will be doing services via Facebook and other online methods.

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      • #2208893 Reply
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        On some previous comments made here:

        Woody’s entry signals his agreement with, and argues in favor of the point MrJimPhelps has made in this thread’s original comment, as do I here and now. About that “broad brush”: the point is not to start a religious discussion pointing fingers at guilty parties about doing something anyone who has ever gone more than a few blocks away from home and or read the news knows is true (source: “personal observation”, indeed). I think a statement rightly used in cases such as this is “you know who you are.” (To which one might add: “and you should be informed enough to know who they are.”)

        I also think we better leave it at that.

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      • #2208897 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        Source: Personal observation.

        In my country there are imposed restrictions on going out, no more then 10 people in one place… Yet on Tuesday an orthodox family held a wedding with 300 guests with dancing holding hands…
        Yes, everything is act of GOD for good and for bad.

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      • #2208899 Reply
        Cybertooth
        AskWoody Plus

        As Gene Hackman (in the role of Rev. Frank Scott) said in The Poseidon Adventure, “God helps those who help themselves.”

         

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        • #2264937 Reply
          DriftyDonN
          AskWoody Plus

          didnt I read that was Biblical somewhere? It’s not.

          "Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare."

        • #2277439 Reply
          doriel
          AskWoody Lounger

          Exactly. I really like mr. Jordan Peterson and his attitude. He states, that piece of god is in everone of us. And together we make great things, if we are united. Everyone must find this piece of god in himself and everyone must not betray his destiny and duties. If you do this, you will end up broken and sad on the edge of society.
          If you start to say: “I dont need to do that, god will protect me.” this is the moment when god will abandon you.
          God is not almighty persona who is watching for us. God is also watching for lions, dolphins and bluejays and other living creatures.

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      • #2208913 Reply
        Elly
        AskWoody MVP

        Religion can be such a trigger… for good and bad… in almost every situation. It is difficult to talk about these things that affect us all…

        But, it can be valuable to have these discussions about quarantine within particular communities of believers, and by those who are without such community…

        In truth, we are all connected, no matter what our religious or political or cultural beliefs.

        How to do make such observations without shame or judgement, in ways that they might be received rather than rejected, whether a believer, or one who shuns such?

        COVID-19 is not taking a religious test prior to spreading from one person to another.

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      • #2208961 Reply
        DriftyDonN
        AskWoody Plus

        …and then we have the basketball player and the microphones…don’t recall his name…and the unending spring breakers. My head hurts.

        "Vision without action is a daydream. Action without vision is a nightmare."

        • #2208987 Reply
          Elly
          AskWoody MVP

          By not relying on others to make good decisions, and taking steps to protect myself, I am relieved of having to worry about their actions.

          Any mother with a toddler or two can tell you that it is impossible to control the behavior of others. Teenagers are internally programed to rebel and feel invulnerable. That some adults continue with anti-social behaviors is fact.

          At the present time, taking personal responsibility for your health and safety, will be paramount!

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      • #2208985 Reply
        MrJimPhelps
        AskWoody_MVP

        I purposely left out the name of any particular religious group. So far, I have heard about members of two religious groups who are not using their heads in this situation.

        I’m pretty sure that the vast number of members of all religious groups are using their heads; but those who aren’t are the ones I was referring to.

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      • #2209538 Reply
        analogkid
        AskWoody Plus

        re the corona virus, I doubt the spring breakers belong to any particular “religious” group ; )

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      • #2265135 Reply
        ScotchJohn
        AskWoody Plus

        Am I the only subscriber to AW to find this thread uncomfortably far removed from the core purpose of the AW Lounge?  In a stressful time, this risks inflaming passions, without contributing materially to our knowledge of maters related to computing.

        Politics and religion don’t make for fruitful discussion.

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        • #2265138 Reply
          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Please follow the –Lounge Rules– no personal attacks, no swearing, and politics/religion are relegated to the Rants forum.

          This is the Rants Forum. 🙂

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      • #2271203 Reply
        John
        AskWoody Lounger

        Religion can be good balanced with the realities of life and how to use your brain to be safe and protect yourself. But we all know religion is fought with cultism and people over dependent on what religion should be in their life. Ignoring common sense seems common with people over confident in what religion will do to protect them.

      • #2277442 Reply
        BATcher
        AskWoody_MVP

        Please follow the –Lounge Rules– no personal attacks, no swearing, and politics/religion are relegated to the Rants forum.

        This is the Rants Forum. 🙂

        This thread seems to be more er-rant!

        BATcher

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      • #2277462 Reply
        The Surfing Pensioner
        AskWoody Plus

        Well, my church was very prompt to lock the doors and I have picked up a marked reluctance to re-open them. We are now quite entrenched in the habit of connecting remotely for all services and home groups and I am beginning to wonder whether we may not in fact be getting into a cosy rut – I have the feeling the vicar quite likes giving his sermon via Facebook from his living room and that some at least of his faithful followers are very happy listening to it from their favourite armchairs, possibly even munching popcorn the while. We shall see !

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      • #2277474 Reply
        anonymous
        Guest

        Concerning religion and its various beliefs. As Carl Sagan and many others have said in various ways “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

      • #2277571 Reply
        OscarCP
        AskWoody Plus

        Yes, well…

        I have read today in the news that the Russian Orthodox Church has expelled a priest that has denied that there is a pandemic, taken over a convent with an armed group and is refusing to leave:

        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53276130

        Clearly, going by the BBC article, he is a really interesting fellow.

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