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      • #2214086 Reply
        Cthru
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        I’m running 1903 on a Dell XPS PC I bought new last Fall. It’s running fine. At the time, as I was setting it up, I scrupulously followed directions to create a rescue USB including system files. I had only one spare USB at the time and now would sort of like to reclaim it, if possible. My questions are:

        • Can I transfer the contents to another USB? Any tricks or settings I need to know first?
        • If that is not possible or advisable, what is the difference if I create a new rescue drive, now that I have been using the computer for about four months?
        • If there are differences, should I be making new ones periodically? for example, after when the next major version update is (1909? X-Files Plus?)

        Thanks.

      • #2223222 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        A new computer will use UEFI to boot, so the USB rescue should be UEFI too.
        To confirm open it in Explorer and look for a BOOT or EFI folder.

        To clone a UEFI boot USB, copy everything to a new USB and then test.

        cheers, Paul

      • #2223788 Reply
        Cthru
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        Paul, thanks. I have copied the rescue USB contents to a new USB. I noted that the original showed as “Recovery drive H” after plugging in the new USB (Drive G). I don;t know if that makes any difference in Windows’ ability to recognize the drive as a recovery drive.

        You said to test the new one. Will you please point me to a procedure for doing so?

        Thanks again.

      • #2223856 Reply
        Alex5723
        AskWoody Plus

        I noted that the original showed as “Recovery drive H” after plugging in the new USB (Drive G)

        It does not make a difference.

      • #2223957 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        To test a recovery drive you need to boot from it.

        1. Insert the USB.
        2. Hold the Shift key down while clicking “Restart”.
        3. From the “Choose an option” screen select “Use a device”.
        4. Select the EFI USB device. If it’s not shown the USB is not recognised.

        To return to the original hard disk, shutdown the PC, remove the USB and fire up the PC.

        cheers, Paul

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      • #2223997 Reply
        Cthru
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        Thanks, Paul. I tried it but it left me a bit confused. After selecting use a device, the next screen had two choices, which I should have written down but they were something like

        Onboard NIC IPV4
        Onboard NIC IPV6

        The two USB drives I had plugged in were the new flash drive with the rescue files and my USB HDD backup drive. In the Windows task bar, these show with their manufacturers’ model names. Is that what I was seeing? The internal drives in my PC are an SSD C-drive and an HDD data drive. But I suspect that they would not be listed as devices.

        I appreciate your help.

      • #2231794 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        They are recognised by Windows so they should show as bootable devices.
        Try only the flash drive and test in different USB ports.

        cheers, Paul

      • #2231836 Reply
        Cthru
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        Sorry to be so uninformed. I disconnected the backup drive and tried only the new rescue drive, in two ports. The choices for “use a device” remained the same as before,

        Onboard NIC (IPVC4)
        Onboard NIC (IPVC6)

        which must mean that, whatever they are, they are not the flash drives. Same with the original rescue drive I created, meaning it never would have worked. (I wish I had known about testing it before, but glad I didn’t need it meanwhile.) Both USBs open fine, showing the two folders.

        This was a brand new Dell PC XPS when I set it up. Any suggestions on creating a successful rescue drive now?

        Thanks.

      • #2231843 Reply
        bbearren
        AskWoody MVP

        Your boot order is not setup to boot from USB.  With the USB Rescue drive plugged in (or the copy, doesn’t matter), restart and repeatedly tap F2 to get into the UEFI setup.  There you can set the boot order to boot USB first.

        Note that some implementations of UEFI won’t recognize USB as a boot source unless a bootable USB is plugged into a USB port.  The Optical drive can be treated the same way; not recognized a boot device unless it has bootable media in the tray. It all depends on how the OEM implemented UEFI.

        Create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates, in case you need to start over!
        "When you're troubleshooting, start with the simple and proceed to the complex."—M.O. Johns
        "Experience is what you get when you're looking for something else."—Sir Thomas Robert Deware

      • #2232584 Reply
        Cthru
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        Thanks, I’ll give it a try. I am assuming that the boot specification is just a step inadvertently left out by Paul, or one he assumed that I would already know to do.

      • #2232628 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        I didn’t leave a step out.
        USB boot is normally enabled in the BIOS /EFI and under those circumstances those steps work.

        An alternative method to get to the EFI is:
        Shift restart.
        Troubleshoot
        Advanced options
        UEFI Firmware Settings.

        cheers, Paul

      • #2232727 Reply
        Cthru
        AskWoody Plus

        Thank you, Paul; I appreciate the clarification. I’m just out of my league here. Better to ask than plunge ahead, I have learned the hard way a few times. Thus, I was waiting to see if there would be a response to my last post.

        Thanks again.

      • #2232804 Reply
        Cthru
        AskWoody Plus

        Back again. I don’t know what to do. USB Boot support  is already enabled,  but I didn’t see any option to make USB an option in the boot priorities list. Here’s what’s on my options screen:

        Boot List Option         (UEFI)
        File Browser Add Boot Option
        File Browser Del Boot Option
        Secure Boot (Enabled)

        Legacy Option ROMS (Disabled)
        Attempt Legacy Boot (Disabled)
        Enable USB Boot Support (Enabled)

        Boot Option Priorities

        1          Windows Boot Manager
        2 and 3  are the options I saw before (previous post)

        What am I missing, please?

         

      • #2233160 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        Is the flash drive formatted as FAT32 or exFAT? NTFS probably won’t work.

        Does the original rescue USB boot?

        cheers, Paul

      • #2233204 Reply
        wavy
        AskWoody Plus

        Paul would

        Secure Boot (Enabled)

        be a problem?

        🍻

        Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
      • #2233253 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        You should leave secure boot enabled because a Windows rescue USB has the correct boot program.

        If it’s a linux boot USB you may need to turn secure boot off

        cheers, Paul

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      • #2233390 Reply
        Cthru
        AskWoody Plus

        Thanks, folks. Both flash drives are FAT 32; I double-checked just now.

        Do you think I should just wipe them and start all over again creating a new rescue drive, or is that not advisable? Is there something else to explore before going that route?

      • #2233439 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        I would recreate the rescue disk on the new USB – put the old one away for now.

        cheers, Paul

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      • #2240953 Reply
        Cthru
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        I guess I’ll have to find tie to contact Dell and see what they have to say.

        I tried creating a new one, with the same result. It even occurred to me that maybe I needed to log on with the administrator account, but that made no difference.

        Thanks for all your efforts. I’ll post back once I get a solution.

      • #2241338 Reply
        mledman
        AskWoody Plus

        Is fast startup enabled?  I had a hard time getting to the boot menu until I disabled fast startup.

        settings > system > power & sleep > additional power settings > choose what the power buttons do

        Win 10 home - 2004
        Attitude is a choice...Choose wisely

      • #2241599 Reply
        Cthru
        AskWoody Plus

        It is enabled, but it’s not the boot screen I’m having trouble getting to.

      • #2241743 Reply
        Paul T
        AskWoody MVP

        It does sound like a machine problem. USB boot is a standard thing.

        cheers, Paul

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