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    HARDWARE By Ben Myers Test, test, and test again — just to be on the safe side. In my last article, I covered the basic and essential tests needed to
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      I go a bit farther when dismantling the hard drives. They have at least 2 extremely strong magnets in them that surround the voice coil that generates a magnetic field which interacts with the neodymium magnets to position the head stack assembly. There may be another very small (1/8 inch cube) magnet that is used to hold the head assembly in a safe position when power is off.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSjxLH7vWUM

      https://hddscan.com/doc/HDD_from_inside.html

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      • #2468538

        love those magnets!!

        🍻

        Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
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    • #2468450

      Another excellent, and most timely article, Ben.

      It just so happened that, over the past weekend, I finally decided to migrate 2 x XP backup storage servers to a newer OS.

      However, my brand new Windows 10 Pro OEM disc halted during installation with the error message:

      “This PC’s processor doesn’t support a critical feature (PrefetchW).”

      Other Forum Users here were very helpful:  I had neglected to check Microsoft’s documentation ahead of time, to determine if that CPU is compatible with Windows 10.

      Turns out, it’s an ancient Intel Pentium 90nm Prescott 3.8 GHz (aka “Press-Hot”).

      My fall-back was to try installing an OEM disc of Windows 7 Ultimate x64, which was already running well on another PC in my home lab.

      Problem now is getting a genuine product key.

      That search led me to SLMGR.

      Turns out, in Command Prompt, Administrator Mode, the following will extend the “grace” period by 30 more days, and this can be done a total of 3 times:

      SLMGR -rearm

      To determine when the extended grace period ends:

      SLMGR /xpr

      “Rearming” a second or third time must be done on the date reported by /xpr .

      To determine the remaining Windows rearm count:

      SLMGR /dlv

       

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        That gets you part way there.  The Prescott made for a really hot server.  Isn’t it time for a more modern motherboard and processor?  Are we talking a 17-year old CPU and mobo?  It’s a tribute to the sturdiness of the build that it has lasted so long.

        I should talk.  I have put several elderly XP systems in better shape for clients, adding memory,  replacing the hard drive with an SSD, and even putting together identical systems as standby in case the original fails.  The computers are mission-critical to the operations of two businesses.  In one case, porting the app to a modern Windows 7 is impossible without the knowhow of the person who wrote it and is long gone.   The other is a computer driving a factory tool, vital to the company, and without a way to run it on a newer OS.  The computers are very young, in their early teens.

        Sounds like some of the govt war stories about running really old software on really old computers, doesn’t it?

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          Re: “It’s a tribute to the sturdiness of the build that it has lasted so long.”

          These formerly XP backup storage servers were always an experiment I wanted to perform, to see how long a modern motherboard would function correctly, when treated nicely:  proper environmental control, dust avoidance, UPS input power, quality PSU etc.

          As I mentioned in another thread here, planned obsolescence is not my favorite cup of tea.

          In backup storage mode, they only power ON for only a few hours per week, which is another part of my experiment.

          Just yesterday, I was able to re-install a StarTech PEXESAT3221 2-port SATA controller, and with a few jumper changes, it’s working perfectly with the Windows 7 device driver.

          That card also auto-detects the PCIe 1.0 upstream bandwidth of 2.5G, which is faster than the integrated SATA-I ports at 1.5G.

           

          Re:  “Sounds like some of the govt war stories about running really old software on really old computers, doesn’t it?”

          Indeed, like nuclear submarines bristling with 12+ nuclear SLBMs.

        • #2469010

          Those “Press-Hots” were a very strong motivation to isolate a design defect in the infamous “push-pins” on Intel’s stock CPU heatsink:

          http://supremelaw.org/systems/heatsinks/warning.htm

          http://supremelaw.org/systems/heatsinks/research.htm

          The former Sidewinder Computer Systems sold a very KOOL backing plate with spring-loaded fastening screws that was only $5.00 each!  I still have one in my spare parts.

          SOLVED THE OVERHEATING PROBLEM!

           

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            focus inside the annotated red circles

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              the backing plate sold by Sidewinder Computer Systems was very similar to this one, which also came with spring-loaded fastener screws

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              Thermalright Bolt-Thru-Kit

               

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          Re:  “Isn’t it time for a more modern motherboard and processor?”

          What would YOU do with such an obsolete motherboard?

           

          • #2469183

            I’d find somebody who like collecting older hardware and give it to him.  If all else fails, old motherboards make a trip in totes to the e-cycler.  Socketed motherboards are worth more per pound than the newer ones, so IO sort them out, remove the batteries and metal heat sinks.  Most e-cyclers usually only pay for board scrap in volume, not ones and twos.

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    • #2468870

      Ben

      – the hard drive is a Toshiba

      I am guessing 1-4 TB because of the depth on the actuator arm

      – it doesn’t seem like more than 1-4 platters and likely 2-3platers

      Rough guesstimate 2TB
      Am I right or waaaaayyyy oof?

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    • #2468871

      I also destroy the platters by removing them and cutting them into 4-6 pieces using steel snips (for cutting tin or aluminum siding etc.etc) and I keep the magnets for myself – these are great play things and have been used to fish out objects from tight places – like a broken RCA radial PIN from the output pin port of a sound card – great little thingy’s

       

      🙂

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    • #2468878

      After digging out some old hard drives I have in a box it seems to be more like a Hitachi…maybe 1TB?

       

      It’s driving me nuts not knowing – can you tell?

       

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        Seriously, you think I’d remember?  It’s one or the other, recalling just a little bit.

        Maybe it’s time for some sort of quiz series.  I take the drive apart, make the same sort of photos and you guess the manufacturer and exact model including firmware revision on the circuit board.  Wanna play?

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      • #2469184

        And what is your estimate of n for this drive, computing the probability that someone will actually be able to get data from it?

         

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        • #2469185

          I now make a binary test of any storage device:

          it either works properly, or it goes into recycling:  no middle ground or “gray area”.

          I keep multiple redundant copies of several databases.

          For example, wherever a driver CD-ROM  shows up in my life, I copy it to a primary data partition, and then make redundant copies of that CD-ROM’s contents e.g.:

          E:\StarTech.PEXESAT3221.cd-rom

          This approach makes it very easy simply to buy a replacement for any failed drive, and restore all of its folders and files from a different working drive — in one powerful step in Partition Wizard.

          No need to “cry over spilled milk”.

          Many years ago, I realized that the time — and costs — involved in paying some data recovery experts, can be eliminated entirely with this redundant copy approach.  And, those costs can be spent instead on purchasing brand new storage hardware.

          Oddly, this approach is somewhat similar to Russian Roulette, but there are no bullets in the gun:  if the trigger points to any given chamber, all of the other chambers are storing the exact same data sets.  So, the loss of any one chamber is no biggie.

          Over time, this approach also grew to be easier and easier, as HDD capacities increased vastly, and HDD costs decreased a lot too.

          And, in the course of honoring this approach, drive “failures” have more often been due to failed and/or failing data cables, particularly for backup storage servers that only switch ON long enough to do routine backups, then switch OFF.

          It’s really very easy to test any drive by pulling it from its permanent location, and connecting it to a workstation with a USB cable + compatible data and power connectors.

          This type of test very quickly confirms a failing data cable e.g. if a suspect drive passes “Surface Test” in Partition Wizard and/or CHKDSK in elevated Command Prompt.

          Hope this helps.

          • #2471439

            Somewhat belatedly, no middle ground, for sure.  Even if a hard drive seems to be perfectly good, high hours of use puts in the recycling bin.  Ditto for SSDs, if ClearDiskInfo shows substantial wear, say less than 40% of predicted life remaining.

            For me, used hard drives keep piling up, because there are fewer and fewer situations that call for a hard drive, maybe as secondary storage and what else?

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    • #2471440

      Used HDDs are very useful when deployed together with an external USB 3.0 enclosure.

      My favorite is the StarTech model, which also comes with an optional eSATA connector and its own AC adapter:

      https://www.newegg.com/startech-s351bmu33et-enclosure/p/N82E16817707441?Description=startech%20esata%20external%20USB%20enclosure&cm_re=startech_esata%20external%20USB%20enclosure-_-17-707-441-_-Product

      There are plenty of USB 3.0 add-in cards for available PCIe slots, if any given PC does not already have integrated USB 3.0 ports.

      And, the rated speed is more than enough for most late model HDDs:  5G/10 = 500 MB/second MAX HEADROOM.

      Even the fastest HDDs are hovering around 250 MB/second now.

      And, multiple HDDs can be switched in and out, without needing to open a chassis.

      Very important data sets can be then stored off-site, or in a locked safe e.g. drive images of OS partitions and any data of similar importance.

      As for wear, switching such an external enclosure ON only long enough to do a backup, then switching it OFF, should prolong its useful life:  less total POWER ON time, and fewer POWER ON CYCLES.

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      • #2471494

        I also use StarTech enclosures!

        I currently have 6 of them that contain old HDD’s I’ve upgrade to SSD’s over the years.

        Three USB 3.1 + USAP, two USB 3.0 and one USB 2.0 (the very first one I bought way back in 2010 when I upgraded my first HDD to SSD.)

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    • #2471563

      We’ve played around with BATCH programs for many years.

      One way to “migrate” an entire partition is to do it all at once, e.g. “Copy Partition” in Partition Wizard.

      Another way is our homemade approach:  start in Command Prompt and:

      X:

      cd \

      dir /ogn/b >dox.bat

      Then, we edit “dox.bat” with MS WORD, and each folder name in that .bat file is edited to look like this, where X: is the drive letter assigned to the eXternal drive, and N: is the drive letter of the destiNation partition:

      X:

      cd \

      xcopy folder1 N:\folder1 /s/e/v/d%1

      xcopy folder2 N:\folder2 /s/e/v/d%1

      and so on.

      (I should add that we maintain a policy of NOT allowing top-level folder names with any imbedded blanks;  but, this is a policy peculiar to our home lab.)

      The “%1” command line token is there to invoke “/l” which tells XCOPY to show what changes would be made if “/l” were NOT invoked.  This is a very simple way of testing before actually executing the requested copying.

      Also, the dox.bat BATCH program can be further edited to remove any lines that are not needed for any reason.

      For example, we serialize OS drive image names like this:  acronis.image.001, acronis.image.002, acronis.image.003 etc.

      If partition N: already stores all of those image files, those lines can simply be deleted from dox.bat .

      Hope this helps.

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