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    For everyday tasks, I use my Macs, the primary one being my MacMini. It is exposed to the Internet (Firefox primarily, Safari occasionally) for surfing, e-mail, shopping, billpay, etc. I use iTunes for playing background music while I work. VLC Player is available for video and movies. There is a choice of Office for Mac 2011, Libre Office or iWorks for documents and spreadsheets. For readers, a choice of the Kindle App or Calibre, but with a stand-alone Kindle and an iPad Mini, these get little use.

    My preference for documents and spreadsheets is Office 2010. I am fortunate to also have an iMacWin7 runs full screen on the iMac (in a Parallels VM) at an angle to my MacMini screen so both are visible simultaneously. The Win7 VM is where I store my important files – documents, spreadsheets, pictures, and all the personal data. It has an advantage for several reasons.

    The VM is easily backed up, to an external HDD and to a NAS drive by copying the file, usually once a month just before doing Windows Update. It is a full system backup since it is the file that contains the Win7 OS. I do data backup (files under my User ID) on an unscheduled basis to the NAS drive and on an ongoing basis to an offsite backup. I also use the offsite backup to sync a small subset of my most critical files to my laptop, so when I have to travel there is no need to transfer the daily used files and no need to update the home computer when I return.

    The Win7 VM has very little contact with the Internet, thus reducing exposure to Windows vulnerabilities. The MacMini/MacOS takes the exposure with much fewer risks. The Win7 VM is on the Internet only to update the installed programs, do Windows Update, and once a month visit a website that renders better in IE11. I can also use the MacOS side of the iMac by doing a three-finger swipe since both OSs are running simultaneously.

    There is a legacy Access based program I need to run periodically. It was written in the era of Win95 or Win98 – back when we were God Administrators on our PCs and could do anything we wanted. The path is hardcoded to a folder in the root of the HDD: C:\acess00. I am able to run it in Access 2000 – but that doesn’t necessarily work on the later versions of Windows. So, I have a WinXP Parallels VM to serve the bill. It runs in a window on the Mac desktop because I also need access to the Internet and e-mail while using it, and I certainly don’t want to expose IE8 and Outlook Express. Although it has little access to the Internet except for updating programs, I run Avast A/V, Spybot 1.6, and Malwarebytes for protection and Firefox ESR. I also did the POS-ready hack, so I do get Windows updates.

    Then there is the involvement with the sport of diving (Olympic, not SCUBA). My youngest son was a nationally and internationally competitive diver while growing up, which culminated in a college scholarship. Naturally, I became involved in the scoring process, originally on paper with calculators, and finally computerized. It is laptops on the pool deck that control the consoles and scoreboards. I run the MeetControl software in a Win8.1 fullscreen Parallels VM on a 15” MacBook Pro. I need connections to the Daktronics console to drive the scoreboard (RS232 DB9 to USB adapter), a second external monitor (mini port to VGA or DVI adapter), printer (USB), and wired Internet (RJ45) for live scoring. I run in a full screen VM because the specialized drivers for the adapters/peripherals need to be direct, not the ones Parallels uses generally.

    And now, I am also running Win10 in VMs on the three machines. This is mostly for my own edification and to keep up with Windows. I just updated three Win10 VMs from v.1607 to v.1703. And I have had one Win10 Insiders Preview running since Oct 2014. I don’t like Win10 or where Microsoft is going with it. Other than being able to help others exposed to it, it will never be on any of my production machines.

    It is nice to be able to pick and choose the version of Windows I want when I need use it. It is nice to know that if Microsoft wrecks it with an update or it crashes, all I have to do is delete the file and copy the latest backup file to the Mac hard drive.

    But it is even nicer that my main usage is on the Mac that just works.

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    • #129925

      Thanks for sharing your experience. It is comforting to see what is doable and that you actually do it.

      • #129928

        I have done several in the last few weeks on MacOS under the wonks forum. I switched to the dark side five years ago, but obviously can’t get away from Windows.

    • #129967

      Many thanks again PK………. great input. So nice to feel all this knowledge is just there for the asking! Forgive a dumb question….. you say you have a back up copy of the full Win7 OS.
      This got me wondering if one would be able to do a full Win7 OS image/clone and then be able to include in a VM on a Mac without having to find that installation ‘key/number’ that seems to delude one specially on an OEM version. Because that way would be really ideal if that’s the case…. otherwise having 2 machines in tandem via a switch would have to suffice. As you can see just learning here!! Many thanks again! LT

      “Rowe’s Rule: the odds are five to six that the light at the other end of the tunnel is the headlight of the oncoming train ” Paul Dickson

      • #130004

        Technically, it is doable. However, you will run into a legal licensing issue. You can’t use an OEM license in a VM in another computer. The OEM license is tied to the computer. Also, it is possible Windows would detect “hardware” changes doing so and would require to activate again.

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    • #199646

      I just read this posting with great interest.

      I have to admit that PKCano is like that angel or devil on my shoulder (take your pick :)) whispering in my ear to buy that 27″ iMac.  I have been reading so many postings on AskWoody about using virtual machines and have to admit I am very tempted.  This was very helpful.

      I am still on the fence between the iMac or moving forward with the Linux build.  The iMac has the “It Just Works” going for it.  That is a very big plus since I have been extremely satisfied with my iPhone and iPad Pro.  Both “Just Work” and really met my admittedly skeptical (due to all the hardline Apple fans) expectations.  The iMac cost is a minor consideration, but after the cat-herding of Windows Updates, and the wonderful iMac screen it is a serious contender without the whispering.

      The Linux build has the hardware flexibility going for it, and offers an easier path for long term hardware upgradability.

      Thanks PKCano for your starting this section.

      In truth my dilemna* is less which one to get, but the old why not do both…, get the iMac and build the Linux box.

      * little did I know that doing a spell check on this word would reveal a soft underbelly of grammarian debate of “dilemma vs. “dilemna”.

    • #199661

       

      PKCano: “The VM is easily backed up, to an external HDD and to a NAS drive by copying the file, usually once a month just before doing Windows Update. It is a full system backup since it is the file that contains the Win7 OS.

      By “file” do you mean just one VM file containing the whole guest OS, or a directory with many files inside? I have never used virtual machines, so I don’t know much about them.

      Also: You have mentioned before being active in “diving”. I’d thought you meant “sky diving.”

      And about Kindle vs. Calibre: Amazon stopped giving those who bought e-books from them actual PDF, epub, etc. documents the buyers could keep in their computers. Now days the documents are kept in Amazon’s “Cloud”, and have been known to get deleted when there is some problem with copyright, or Amazon finds it convenient to do so. In other words: “You pays your money, you may not gets to keep your e-books.”

      For my part, since that happened (and it is easy to prove, as I did to a lady in the next seat during a flight with no Internet connection) I use Calibre to read books that have bought or found online in their PDF and epub versions that I keep in a folder called “books”. They are mostly classics that have been out of copyright for the last hundreds and even thousands of years, obtained for free, often thanks to the wonderful Gutenberg Project. I only use Kindle for the books I bought when it was still possible to download and keep them in the PC or, afterwards, for those that have not been able to find on line.

      Finally, thanks for putting all this information on how you use VMs in your Mac out here.

       

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

      • #199667

        By “file” do you mean just one VM file containing the whole guest OS, or a directory with many files inside?

        Using Parallels Desktop as the virtualizing software, the VM appears in Finder as a single .pvm file. It is actually a package. To backup, you copy the .pvm to external storage.

        Also: You have mentioned before being active in “diving”. I’d thought you meant “sky diving.”

        The Olympic sport – jumping from 1m, 3m, and 10m into a pool.

        And about Kindle vs. Calibre

        You are certainly misinformed about Amazon. I have never “lost” any of my books, in it’s Cloud or on my Kindle. The Master storage is on Amazon, so you can download onto your Kindle, iPad, or computer and store on as many devices as you choose. You need the Kindle App on non-Kindle hardware. Kindle has NEVER handled .epub format to my knowledge. It handles .PDF, Amazon’s proprietary format (I forget the file extension), and several other formats.You can also check out, on a temp basis, books from libraries (they expire on the device).
        Calibre handles .epub, .PDF, and other formats, but not Amazon’s proprietary.

        • #199680

          PKCano: Maybe the tiger has changed its stripes; I wouldn’t know since I have not been following developments at Amazon in this respect and do not use often the Kindle app in my laptop, so I could well be misinformed, as you say. But some years ago there was a big flap about people having bought e-books from Amazon to read with their Kindle devices and one good day found some were no longer there, and they were not coming back either.

          Here is an earlier case, where Amazon actually even deleted the copies of a book kept in people’s Kindle devices:

          https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/can-amazon-legally-delete-books-from-your-kindle

          Most people, later on, were not aware that the books they had bought were, at least then, being stored in Amazon’s “Cloud” and not in their Kindle devices (“Kindles”, PCs, tablets). Bit of a shock to learn that. As the one the lady in the next seat experienced. when she did the simple test I had suggested to her.

          Also: terribly sorry about ever having mentioned “epub” in the same breath as “Kindle”. I doubt that, were I to live for ten thousand years, could I ever live down such a gaffe.

          Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

          MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
          Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
          macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #328111

      Parallels is one of the best solutions for running Windows (or other OS’s) on a Mac. I had Parallels Pro at one time, and it ran Windows on my Mac solidly. Right now I’m accessing Windows through a work VM using Microsoft Remote Desktop, but if I needed my own personal copy of Windows on my Mac, it’d be through Parallels.

      Nathan Parker

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