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    • #1982112 Reply

      woody
      Da Boss

      I’ll update the list as we get details, but the Microsoft Update Catalog just sprouted 40 new patches. I see second monthly cumulative updates (“optio
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    • #1982206 Reply

      Mr. Natural
      AskWoody Plus

      At the rate Microsoft has been releasing patches the past few months businesses may have to create a new position in their I.T. department dedicated to managing Windows Updates.

      There are a slew of new patches coming out not only every week but sometimes within days of a prior release.

      I was off last week and before doing so I approved many of the September updates. When I returned yesterday nearly all the September updates were already expired and around 80 new patches issued.

      I would guess if there was a chart showing all windows updates released each year it would show a massive curve upwards over the last couple of years with this year topping them all by a huge margin. Houston we have a problem…..uh Houston?….do you read me!?  (crickets chirping)

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    • #1982219 Reply

      sheldon
      AskWoody Plus

      Under KB4520062  https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4520062/windows-10-update-kb4520062:

      “Starting with update KB4497934, we are introducing functionality that allows you to decide when to install a feature update. You control when you get a feature update while simultaneously keeping your devices up to date. Feature updates that are available for eligible devices will appear in a separate module on the Windows Update page (Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update). If you would like to get an available update right away, select Download and install now. To find out more about this feature, please go to this blog.”

      What?

      • #1982268 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        That answers a big question in my mind: How people will stay on 1903 after 1909 is released.

        Assuming it works the way it’s described, of course.

      • #1982285 Reply

        b
        AskWoody Plus

        Starting with update KB4497934, …What?

        Nothing new there. It’s been like that for five months since that update introduced the “Download and install now” option for feature updates.

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        • #1982290 Reply

          woody
          Da Boss

          Well, yes, except we’ve never had a “feature update” = version change that’s distributed as a cumulative update before. That’s a good way to let people decide when/if they want to move on to the 1909 “erstwhile service pack.”

    • #1982220 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      Mary Jo Foley reports that MS is going to get more… obnoxious… in its upgrade nags to Win7 customers.

      Except that she didn’t say “more…” or “obnoxious…”, because it’s neither. Just the same courtesy being extended to the next class of users.

      I don’t see anything specific about the form the new nags will take –

      Exactly the same that Home users have seen (probably once) during the last six months:

      Editor’s Note – Oct. 15, 2019 – We are now extending the notifications discussed below to Windows 7 Pro devices

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      • #1982289 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        So MS hasn’t been showing the KB 4493132 nag screen on Pro machines?

        I didn’t realize that. When Lawrence Abrams wrote his detailed account of the inner workings, back in March, he didn’t mention that it was Home only.

        Any idea if it’ll be the same nag screen – with the “Do not remind me again” checkbox?

        • #1982291 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          On Home and Ultimate – they are considered non business.

        • #1982379 Reply

          b
          AskWoody Plus

          So MS hasn’t been showing the KB 4493132 nag screen on Pro machines?

          I didn’t realize that.

          @abbodi86 now notes that the nagware payload won’t be offered to Professional, Enterprise and Embedded editions of Win7.

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          • #1982460 Reply

            Mr. Natural
            AskWoody Plus

            Interesting terminology. Somehow seems to fit.  “nagware payload”   🙂

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          • #1982846 Reply

            woody
            Da Boss

            You’re absolutely right.

        • #1982830 Reply

          Speccy
          AskWoody Lounger

          Woddy, I’ve updated my ancient post regarding KB4493132 metadata changes (basically, how the nagging screen look has been slightly changing), with additional information posted by abbodi86 and wsntls. Nothing new, really – just for the sake of consistency. 😉

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          • #1982845 Reply

            woody
            Da Boss

            I didn’t know that! Excellent synopsis.

            Is blocking KB 4493132 sufficient to keep the nag off, even now?

            I guess MS has taken off, or will be taking off, the block on Pro. (Thx, @b)

            There was a lot of confusion back in March about which machines got the patch:

            I haven’t figured out why some machines don’t get the KB offered, why some see it as Optional/Unchecked, and while others see it Important/Checked.

            Has anybody found a pattern?

            • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 6 days ago by  woody.
            • #1982848 Reply

              PKCano
              Da Boss

              They have been pushing to non-business versions – Home and Ultimate.
              Pro is considered business along with Ent\Edu.

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    • #1982224 Reply

      EP
      AskWoody_MVP

      note that there are no new optional non-security updates for 1507 and the newly EOL’ed 1703 release this October so far [the KB4520010 update is the very last update for 1703 enterprise/education editions].

      1903 users will usually get their optional non-security fix towards the end of the month (maybe between the 4th Tue 10/22 and the 5th Tue 10/29, there are five Tuesdays this October)

      • This reply was modified 4 weeks ago by  EP.
      • #1982283 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        Ah, another “E Week.” We seem to be having a lot of those this year.

    • #1982246 Reply

      ChrisAVWood
      AskWoody Plus
    • #1982266 Reply

      abbodi86
      AskWoody_MVP

      The ecosystem compatibility thing is just a fancy term for the Compatibility Appraiser (F.K.A KB2952664)

      i hope KB4525208 article explain why it was added to Security-Only updates

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      • #1982282 Reply

        woody
        Da Boss

        That explains it. Microsoft didn’t want to say it was re-re-…re-releasing KB 2952664.

        I hadn’t seen a notice for Security-only patches. Are you anticipating that it’ll be included in next month’s Security-only update?

        • #1982287 Reply

          PKCano
          Da Boss

          Maybe he meant non-Security?

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        • #1982394 Reply

          abbodi86
          AskWoody_MVP

          Yes, i would not be surprised if that happen

          they never acknowledged or announced the Appraiser addition to security-only patch (twice)
          maybe the third time they will 😀

          @pkcano
          no, i actually ment security-only updates 🙂
          the rollup update already have the Appraiser for a year now, and they annouced it back then

          with this fancy echosystem explanation they some up with, i’m just expecting them to apply it to security-only updates too

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    • #1982297 Reply

      anonymous

      Should we be installing Oct security only updates?

      Is your Defcon system only for  cumulative updates?

      • #1982299 Reply

        PKCano
        Da Boss

        The DEFCON system includes all versions of Windows.
        Not yet time to install ANY October updates.

    • #1982570 Reply

      b
      AskWoody Plus

      Will the “Do not remind me again” checkbox work? My guess is that MS will come up with some mealy-mouthed way to override it, probably by altering the notification at some point….

      Did MS actually employ a mealy-mouthed bypass since you made this guess six months ago?

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    • #1982693 Reply

      Alex5723
      AskWoody Plus

      Martin Brinkmann @ Ghacks posted a break down of all the fixes in October 2019 update previews :

      https://www.ghacks.net/2019/10/15/microsoft-releases-october-2019-update-previews-for-windows/

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    • #1982850 Reply

      anonymous

      ? says:

      gborn chimes in on the subject:

      Windows 7 Pro users receiving notification about support end

      nag, nag, nag, all you want!

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