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      • #1982854
        woody
        Da Boss

        How doth the little crocodile Improve his shining tail, And pour the waters of the Nile On every golden scale! How cheerfully he seems to grin How nea
        [See the full post at: Second October patches mostly harmless – but the resurgence of the potentially unwanted “nag” patch, KB 4493132, raises questions]

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      • #1982861
        TweakHound
        AskWoody Lounger

        Win7 Pro x64 fully updated. Just manually ran Windows Update.
        KB4493132 not installed, not offered as important or optional, and not hidden.
        Yes, I know this isn’t “supposed” to be offered to Pro.
        *edit – Just checked my Win7 Ultimate Machine. Offered as Optional/Unchecked in Italics (Recommended).

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        • #1983080
          woody
          Da Boss

          But according to Barlow’s post, Pro users should be getting it — or something else that implements the nag screen.

          I’m perplexed.

          • #1983094
            EP
            AskWoody_MVP

            Win7 Pro users may not be getting the EOL nags until next month, woody

            so far KB4493132 is still not applicable to Win7 Pro, unless MS issues a newly revised KB4493132 patch which they have not yet done so

            • This reply was modified 11 months, 2 weeks ago by EP.
            • #1983629
              woody
              Da Boss

              That would make sense… but it makes me wonder about the timing of Barlows’ announcement.

      • #1982867
        PKCano
        Da Boss

        Oooooops!
        Something went wrong!
        There is no “X” in the upper right corner to install Win10!!

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        • #1983077
          woody
          Da Boss

          HA HA HA HA!

      • #1983052
        opti1
        AskWoody Plus

        I guess I am obtuse.

        What does this mean:

        “We recommend backing up your files to ease the transition.”

        What files are they talking about?

        Another question.

        Is it safe to assume that the last batch of Win7 (all versions) Windows Updates that presumably will go out on the second Tuesday in January 2021 will remain available beyond January 14, 2021?

        In other words, can we safely plan on delaying downloading and installing our January 2021 Windows Updates until sometime after January 14, 2021?

        Thanks!

      • #1983056
        Microfix
        AskWoody MVP

        Is it safe to assume that the last batch of Win7 (all versions) Windows Updates that presumably will go out on the second Tuesday in January 2021 will remain available beyond January 14, 2021?

        In other words, can we safely plan on delaying downloading and installing our January 2021 Windows Updates until sometime after January 14, 2021?

        Lucky you! getting an extra year out of Win7..
        2nd Tuesday of 2020 will be the last patches for Win7 unless opting for Enterprise Extended Support. How long patches remain available IS questionable going into 2020..

        Win8.1 Pro | Linux Hybrids | Win7 Pro O/L | WinXP O/L
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      • #1983058
        opti1
        AskWoody Plus

        Is it safe to assume that the last batch of Win7 (all versions) Windows Updates that presumably will go out on the second Tuesday in January 2021 will remain available beyond January 14, 2021?

        In other words, can we safely plan on delaying downloading and installing our January 2021 Windows Updates until sometime after January 14, 2021?

        Lucky you! getting an extra year out of Win7..
        2nd Tuesday of 2020 will be the last patches for Win7 unless opting for Enterprise Extended Support. How long patches remain available IS questionable going into 2020..

        Lol. Ooops. One can only wish for 2021. Need more caffeine.

        Thanks.   🙂

        • This reply was modified 11 months, 2 weeks ago by opti1.
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        • #1983092
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          well opti1 the only Win7 edition that goes EOL on 2021 is Windows Embedded POSReady 7, which has an EOL date of October 12, 2021. we’ll have to wait and see of the POSReady 7 updates will install & work on other Win7 editions

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          • #1983535
            abbodi86
            AskWoody_MVP

            Fingers crossed

            Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

            [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\POSReady]

            “Version”=”7.0”

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      • #1983061
        Mark
        AskWoody Plus

        Am I the only one that saw the “mostly harmless” and thought of “Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”?

        Just remember…bring a towel!

        Windows 10 Pro x64 v1909, Windows 7 Home Premium x64, Windows Vista Home Premium x64
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        • #1983079
          woody
          Da Boss

          I have the full five-volume Hitchhikers Guide sitting on my bedroom table. Just need to find time to re-read it.

          And a splint to keep my gut from rupturing.

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          • #1983383
            anonymous
            Guest

            The complete 5 volume “trilogy”! I see jokes within jokes. ( sorry to cross streams, Egon)

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      • #1983076
        johnf
        AskWoody Lounger

        What does this mean:

        “We recommend backing up your files to ease the transition.”

        Backup, Backup, Backup, and do it frequently. Don’t trust MS when it comes to updates and not deleting something. And when you upgrade, do a clean re-install of Windows 10 for best results. Or, you can join those of us who are not using MS anymore, if you can.

         

        • This reply was modified 11 months, 2 weeks ago by johnf.
      • #1983157
        Ken Sims
        AskWoody Plus

        On my Windows 7 Pro system I don’t have it installed and it’s not showing in either Important or Optional. Important has just two second Tuesday patches (Security Rollup and .NET, I already applied the MSRT) and Optional has just the two Previews.

      • #1983180
        Douglas
        AskWoody Plus

        I have Win 7 Pro and I am not seeing that update as Optional/Unchecked or Important/Checked or anything else, nor has it been previously installed.

        I am planning to install Win 8.1 Pro (the “full” version, not OEM) very soon to replace my old Win 7 Pro, so I suppose I won’t be seeing an update like that anytime soon?

      • #1983250
        Just Lurking
        AskWoody Plus

        @ Woody

        Woody wrote:

        Are you Win7 Pro users seeing KB 4493132 as Optional/Unchecked or Important/Checked — or do you have it installed already?

        Win7 Pro (32-bit), not being offered KB 4493132, Important or Optional, Checked or Unchecked. Also, not installed either.

        Oooooops!
        Something went wrong!
        There is no “X” in the upper right corner to install Win10!!

        But, really, isn’t the answer *42*! Or, do I remember that wrong?

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      • #1983270
        Zathras
        AskWoody Plus

        No sign of it on Windows 7 Pro.  I’ve seen it on 7 Home as a recommended update but long ago configured home PCs (and Pro) to ignore anything not marked as “Important”…  ever since the Windows 10 upgrade nonsense.

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      • #1983271
        b
        AskWoody Plus

        Speaking of utterly obnoxious Win7 behavior: In a supposedly unrelated development, Microsoft says it will start displaying “Get Windows 10” nag screens to Win7 Pro customers.

        Why is an end of service reminder utterly obnoxious?

      • #1983279
        EP
        AskWoody_MVP

        I’ve just ran a WU scan on a relative’s Dell computer running Win7 SP1 x64 Pro moments ago (Wed 10/16, 11:25am pacific local time) and KB4493132 does not even show up on there.

        Maybe either by late October or sometime in November, it may happen (still a matter of either IF or WHEN, woody)
        so far the EOL notifications for Win7 Pro users have not yet occurred

        • This reply was modified 11 months, 2 weeks ago by EP.
      • #1983283
        Geo
        AskWoody Plus

        I have W7  home premium and it doesn’t show up.  We don’t need reminders.  By now your mind is already made up your either gonna switch or not.

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        • #1983493
          b
          AskWoody Plus

          We don’t need reminders.  By now your mind is already made up your either gonna switch or not.

          Is that the royal we, or are you speaking on behalf of 450,000,000 Windows 7 users?

          • #1983506
            Geo
            AskWoody Plus

            I’m speaking on behalf of   Steve Gibson’s  ” Never Ten”     down-loaders from several years ago who already  knew they were not switching.

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            • #1983541

              I installed his “Never 10” several months ago, but I still see the “Anytime Upgrade” link in the lower left hand corner of WU. Referring to 7 Ultimate, 8.0 and/or 8.1 as well as 10…??

              Win7 Pro SP1 64-bit ESU, Dell Latitude E6330, Intel CORE i5 "Ivy Bridge", Group "Patch List", Multiple Air-Gapped backup drives in different locations, "Don't auto-check for updates-Full Manual Mode." Linux Mint Greenhorn
              --
              "A committee is the only known form of life that has at least four legs and no brain."

              -Robert Heinlein

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      • #1983372

        Not seen here either. (KB 4493132)

         

        Win7 Pro SP1 64-bit ESU, Dell Latitude E6330, Intel CORE i5 "Ivy Bridge", Group "Patch List", Multiple Air-Gapped backup drives in different locations, "Don't auto-check for updates-Full Manual Mode." Linux Mint Greenhorn
        --
        "A committee is the only known form of life that has at least four legs and no brain."

        -Robert Heinlein

      • #1983516
        opti1
        AskWoody Plus

        well opti1 the only Win7 edition that goes EOL on 2021 is Windows Embedded POSReady 7, which has an EOL date of October 12, 2021. we’ll have to wait and see of the POSReady 7 updates will install & work on other Win7 editions

        Thanks for your reply.

        Actually, I messed up in my post by putting 2021 instead of 2020.

        My personal concern is with Win7 Home Premium and whether or not the January 2020 updates will remain readily available after they have been issued or if we will have a limited amount of time in which to apply them before they are withdrawn.

         

        • This reply was modified 11 months, 2 weeks ago by opti1.
      • #1983522
        opti1
        AskWoody Plus

        “We recommend backing up your files to ease the transition.”

        Maybe I am over thinking this. I always back up my data files and image my OS drive before installing the monthly Windows Updates.

        It’s the ‘to ease the transition’ part of the message that has me confused. Transition to what? Windows 10?

        Is there something missing from the screen capture, like maybe a ‘Click here to install Windows 10’ button or something?

        Thanks.

         

      • #1983575
        Carl D
        AskWoody Lounger

        Speaking of utterly obnoxious Win7 behavior: In a supposedly unrelated development, Microsoft says it will start displaying “Get Windows 10” nag screens to Win7 Pro customers.

        Why is an end of service reminder utterly obnoxious?

        Just cast your mind back to early 2015.

        There wasn’t anything obviously obnoxious about the initial appearance of GWX – it was just a little Windows icon in the notification area of Windows 7 and 8.1 to let people know that Windows 10 was coming.

        I don’t need to remind you what happened after that. Microsoft’s “track record” speaks for itself.

        I still believe we are going to see GWX Mark 2 in the coming months. I did a clean install of Windows 7 Professional 64bit  a couple of weeks back and brought it up to date (minus all the telemetry and other ‘optional’ updates – at least that’s what I thought).

        Both GWX Control Panel and Never10 reported that even though the Windows 10 upgrade files were not present on the system, they weren’t blocked. After running abbodi86’s script for ‘neutralizing’ the newly added telemetry, etc. both utilities then reported that I was safe from GWX.

        I strongly advise everyone running Windows 7 to periodically check with GWX Control Panel and Never10, especially after installing any updates between now and next January.

        Gigabyte GA-B250M-D3H Motherboard, Intel i5-7600 CPU, 32GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Graphics Card, 1x Samsung 860 EVO 250GB SSD, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB SSD, Windows 10 Professional 2004 64bit.

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      • #1983605
        Myst
        AskWoody Plus

        KB4493132 is showing up in Optional Updates on my Win7 64-bit Home. Did a “hide update” on it even though I never download/install Optional. Just don’t like looking at it. The PC is updated through Oct. 3 because I jumped the gun and didn’t catch the switch from Defcon 3 to 1 in time. BUT, everything is running good since then, just waiting for the Defcon number to go up. Maybe I’ll put a spell on MS’s next attempt to plant another GWX.

        Win7 Home x64 MacOS Chromebook

        “If you obey all the rules, you miss all the fun.” Kate Hepburn
        • #1983832
          EP
          AskWoody_MVP

          the KB4493132 update still has not shown up for Win7 PRO systems, willygirl

          only for “consumer” editions like Home basic, Home premium and Ultimate the KB4493132 update is being offered

          • This reply was modified 11 months, 2 weeks ago by EP.
      • #1983611
        PerthMike
        AskWoody Lounger

        Speaking of utterly obnoxious Win7 behavior: In a supposedly unrelated development, Microsoft says it will start displaying “Get Windows 10” nag screens to Win7 Pro customers.

        Why is an end of service reminder utterly obnoxious?

        Because it is an ad to buy an operating system that can serve you ads and unwanted apps every day of the week.

        No matter where you go, there you are.

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        • #1983630
          woody
          Da Boss

          I guess obnoxious is in the eye of the beholder.

          • #1983679
            b
            AskWoody Plus

            Will I get an utterly obnoxious reminder from you when my Plus subscription is about to expire?

            • #1983699
              Kirsty
              Da Boss

              Hopefully your emailed Plus subscription reminder will be discreet and appropriate, instead of obnoxious!

              Gee, talk about a thread getting off topic!

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              • #1983701
                b
                AskWoody Plus

                Hopefully as discreet and appropriate as Microsoft’s Win7 EOS reminder.

                In which case I won’t even consider it to be a potentially unwanted nag.

                Not off topic in the slightest.

        • #1983678
          b
          AskWoody Plus

          Because it is an ad to buy an operating system that can serve you ads and unwanted apps every day of the week.

          It’s a public service announcement, not an ad.

          I don’t get ads or unwanted apps any day of the week on Windows 10 (and nor do most of the 900,000,000 users).

          • #1983721
            Ed
            AskWoody Lounger

            “I don’t get ads or unwanted apps any day of the week on Windows 10 (and nor do most of the 900,000,000 users).”

            Not YET but most likely coming at some point in time… and I’m sure they’ll label it as a “Feature”!

            • #1983820
              b
              AskWoody Plus

              Not YET but most likely coming at some point in time… and I’m sure they’ll label it as a “Feature”!

              No room for new features this year; both have already been finalized for the November update. 😮

      • #1983842
        b
        AskWoody Plus

        Addresses an issue with evaluating the compatibility status of the Windows ecosystem to help ensure application and device compatibility for all updates to Windows. For more information, see KB 4525208.

        Just one little problem. As of early Wednesday morning anyway, there is no KB 4525208.

        It’s there now (Server only?):

        Compatibility update for keeping Windows up-to-date in Windows Server 2012 R2 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1

      • #1983856
        b
        AskWoody Plus

        Woody's here to help

        Actual-here-to-help

        Notifications
        As explained in our March 12, 2019 blog post, Microsoft will deliver a handful of reminder notifications through the end of 2019 with recommend actions to take ahead of Windows 7 end of support. To learn more about Windows 7 end of support, you can visit http://www.microsoft.com/windows7 or review our frequently asked questions above.

        Why did I receive a notification about Windows 7?
        Ten years after the initial release of Windows 7, support is coming to an end on January 14, 2020. You are receiving notifications as a Windows 7 customer so that you have plenty of time to get ready. After that, technical assistance and updates that help protect your PC will no longer be available. These notifications will link to information to help you with recommended actions, answer questions you might have, and provide resources to assist in this transition period.

        What happens when I close the notification?
        When you close the notification window, it will simply close.

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